It looks really good. Kinda similar to my cages/hutches. Have several of all types and styles, and have some vids o them on my page. Can see them under Oregon Survivalist Group or just goto our channel. Great vid, thanks for posting :-)
If your interested in Lionhead or Lionlop rabbits we have them many to choose from. Our rabbits are kept in a clean environment and handled everyday so they won't be scared to pick up. check us out you won't be disappointed. Thanks. We are located in southern Ohio.mckenzieslions.weebly.com is our sight name.
If your interested in Lionhead or Lionlop rabbits we have them many to choose from. Our rabbits are kept in a clean environment and handled everyday so they won't be scared to pick up. check us out you won't be disappointed. Thanks. We are located in southern Ohio. mckenzieslions is our sight name.
If your interested in Lionhead or Lionlop rabbits we have them many to choose from. Our rabbits are kept in a clean environment and handled everyday so they won't be scared to pick up. check us out you won't be disappointed. Thanks. We are located in southern Ohio.
all i do is use about a 1x1 piece of wood for my rabbit to sit on...they don't need a piece of carpet cuz it will just get all covered in crap...it is by far the best homemade design ive seen just needs some pieces of wood to sit on
all i do is use about a 1x1 piece of wood for my rabbit to sit on...they don't need a piece of carpet cuz it will just get all covered in crap...it is by far the best homemade design ive seen just needs some pieces of wood to sit on
Far from a good design and definitely not a happy place for the rabbits. This is probably a careless breeder just raising them for people to kill and eat. I am very happy to see so many people respond knowing that this is NOT the way to house a rabbit. Keeping them outdoors is bad enough but to torture them in that kind of housing is just a horrible shame.
Superior my ass. By the looks of it those poor bunnies don't have any place to rest their feet from the wire bottoms. No wonder that one bunny is sitting crammed in the bowl. Probably because it's a hell of a lot more comfortable.
Note to owner of rabbits. They are able to potty train and only poop in a litter box. They are very clean animals. Put some mats in the wire bottom cage now that the cage has already been built, it prevents foot injuries common in wire bottom cages.
@marleyNfriends I totally agree with you. It may or may not be a decent sized hutch design, but at the end of the day....its got a wired bottom which can cause sore hocks to the rabbits and yes, by being a breeder your leaving the people who buy them to suffer with the consequences of highly priced vet bills to treat sore hocks. I take a course at school which involves the animal welfare act...this hutch, im afraid does not abide by it! xxx i enjoy your videos Sophia
1. This is a very good design (if it works for your breed), this is WAY bigger than most stackable 24x24 cages!! And this probably isn't his cage he was just expressing his opinion on it! btw the rabbits looked healthy and happy!!
2. Like you even have rabbits! And those are pretty big leafs on the grass and like he said befor, theres small holed heavy wireing!!
And ONCE again this probably is his friends rabbit cage so stop spamming your negative opinions...
@justonemorename the best for humans, yes, the best for rabbits? definately not! What if you make a 'dumping spot'? Some wire where you can wipe it all out the cage and then spray it with a hose or something.
Actually wire is the best flooring for rabbits. Certain types of wire can be hard on their feet however they are fine so long as they have resting boards in their cage. Larger breeds especially need to get off of the wire. But a cage with no wire is much harder to clean and needs to be cleaned every 3 days or so unless the rabbit is litter trained. Sitting in the bedding that absorbs their waste is bad on their lungs and they often develop snuffles without proper ventilation
Get out of the city and your my little pony reality. It is actually much more humane to have rabbits outside with wire bottoms - and yes something to rest on. Wire provides a clean environment with good air movement. I raise rabbits for meat in a hutch like this and my rabbits are very healthy. I care for my rabbits but I also remember what they are (a large rodent/pray species) that I raise for meat so I don't have to support the commercial meat industry - which is truly disgusting.
im not sure but i have been looking into building some rabbit cages for meat rabbits and thay all say to make them with wire i think it is because if the rabbit urine rotting the wood. and i plan on adding a mat to mine just an idea build it onces and build it right
It's crazy how many people are saying poor bunnies, they look pretty happy to me, even eating fresh clover or some greens. I even see one standing on a can or some kind of platform. My friends keep rabbits in wire cages and have a piece of flat wood the rabbits can stand on if their feet hurt... guess where they always seem to be hanging out at? on the wire of course.
and for the other commenting people that wire bottom is for when they poop and pee is so the waste will fall on the ground and its easy to clean and it actually makes there feet become more rough which allows the rabbits stenghten there feet!!
There is no such thing called "bumble foot" in rabbits. That is a cavy (guinea pig) term. From an ARBA (American Rabbit Breeders Assn) member for over 28 years... But I agree with the overall assessment; this type of wire is very hard on a rabbit's foot. Better would be either a smoother welded type wire, or at least some mats that are specially made for rabbit cages (plastic). They'll tear them up eventually but they do help! Sore hocks is the correct term for the condition they can get.
You've got the wire on the outside of the frame. Wire should be ~inside~ the cage between the rabbits and the wood. Any exposed wood will get eaten. Even with wire on the inside they'll still nibble at the wood but they won't be able to damage it much. Otherwise, it's a good design.
You've got the wire on the outside of the frame. Wire should be ~inside~ the cage between the rabbits and the wood. Any exposed wood will get eaten. Even with wire on the inside they'll still nibble at the wood but they won't be able to damage it much. Otherwise, it's a good design.
rabbits can get sore hocks which leads to further complications if they are on wire bottom hutches especially larger breeds they must have a solid floor u at least a large enough mat for all rabbits to be comfortably be on at once all together
Wire bottomed cages are fine, I raise mini rex. they will only get sore hocks if they don't have a plastic resting board, or just a piece of wood to rest their feet on.
can you just leave me alone, bitch. And oh, by the way it is still not so good for your rabbits to have wire bottom cages, idiot. So shut the fuck up- skank!!!
wire botton doesn't hurt the rabbits feet as long as you have a small mat for them to rest on..I know because I have a rabbitry and all of our hutches have wire bottom.
not to be rubde but,if your gonna have a wire bottom cage, your should have a mat, small rug or somthing to rest their feet on to prevent absesses on them. and try putting thier food & water on the mat too!=3
yes-well now I hope we can just stop arguing because it is pretty pointless. I am glad you realize the pros and cons of wiring for breeders ;) nd yes, i understnad now you have a rabbit. if you ever consider breeding, I can give you advice ;D
(continued from below) but we are thinking of our animals welfare. I can understand how you, having only 1 rabbit and much more time to focus on it, can have solid flooring. IF it is cleaned out daily (which most breeders clean weekly), then solid floors are OKAY. but just think if you had 19 rabbits, would you really have time to clean out 19 hutches a day? I didnt think so. this argument obviously going around in circles.how can you stand next to the truth and not see it?I agree with abrunelle
No, if I had 19 rabbits, I would never have the time to clean out 19 hutches. Some background? I live in a house with 28 cats and most are a product(not by me) of my fiance's mother's failed breeding business. Some of these cats are imprisoned more than others, and spend hours out of their day crying to be let out. But most are not fixed, and if they were to be let out all together, the males would fight each other to the death, and mate with the females. So I probably have spouted unjust anger
due to where I live and what I've seen. And no, I don't see this argument going around in circles, but if you were to actually read into my posts, instead of concentrating blindly on a debate with the mentality that I'm some stuck-up b*tch that refuses to see other possibilities, then I'm sorry, but you are sincerely mistaken. I'm seeing the truth just fine - I already admitted, twice now, to not looking into this thoroughly, and by silently promising to do so when I have the time. It's not my
we can all see that you are not a breeder, and that by your name title you probably are defending "smaller animal" cages, like the hamster and mouse. in that case yes, it is much safer to use a bedding as your flooring, however, rabbits are veryvery different from small rodents. it is not only an inconveniece, but a health hazard, to keep your rabbit on solid flooring. exspecially for breeders, who often have 20-30 rabbits. yes, we are also thinking of saving time, and money,
Actually, for this conversation, I've not been defending "smaller animal" cages. I have honestly been targeting solid floor vs. wire flooring in rabbit cages. And again, my argument, which I believe I've made very clear as of late, is that for people like me, who aren't breeders, wire flooring is unnecessary as we actually have the time to take and litter-train our rabbits. As far as breeders go, I believe I apologized to abrunelle and commented how I haven't looked thoroughly into the pros and
cons of using wire flooring if you're a rabbit breeder, and the possibility of sore hocks and whether or not wire flooring is a cause of that in general. If I've been biased, I do apologize again, as I have not had good experiences with breeders in general.
wire flooring. Wire flooring is used based on the convenience of the person, not the rabbit. If a rabbit's cage is cleaned on a regular basis, they will not lay in their own messes. Actually, from the rabbits I've had, they hate when their cage gets too dirty, and my rabbits have actually shoved clean litter over on top their pile of dirty litter just to make themselves feel better. The only time rabbits lay in their own mess is when they're scared or nervous - then their smell acts as a comfort
As, a breeder with several state titles I would like to say that the rabbit's health is what comes very first. Why would I need the convenience of cleaning cages easier when solid bottom flooring causes many more health concerns? I absolutely agree that convenience should never come first. I am not trying to make money off my rabbits and I invest several dollars and much time in my rabbits. I for one am offended that you think that by us using a better facility for both rabbits and humans...
is making us breeders lazy con artists for choosing to take care of our animals. In conclusion, I would like to return to the issue of wire bottom flooring. Having waste immediately eliminated will remove many harmful parasites and bacteria. Sore hocks is caused by lack of care on the breeder NOT the wire. Though it does take a part, the wire is a clean and safe way to rabbits to live. They are only affected when waste builds up wearing away the rabbit's fur.
Then I must apologize. Perhaps I haven't looking into it thoroughly; but for people like me who don't breed rabbits, can't you understand my point that wire flooring is unnecessary when we actually have the time to litter-train our rabbits?
I honestly didn't mean to offend you, but I still standby the fact that adding wire flooring makes their cages all the more a prison. We should be investing money in cages that mimic our pets' natural environment instead of making them feel all the more they're being imprisoned. It's much more natural to have wood shavings to lay on, than wire flooring. As for as health concerns go, I understand that, but solid bottoms aren't an issue if they're cleaned regularly. I've never had an issue.
Not if the rabbits are litter-trained, and it's very easy to litter-train rabbits. If rabbits are litter-trained, wire flooring is absolutely unnecessary, because the few stray poos they leave behind are for territorial purposes and are easily cleaned up. Plus, wouldn't the wire flooring rust upon constant exposure to the urine?
not if you have 500 of them and if wire was that bad there would be no production at all pets and livestock are 2 different conceps each one is designed for its perpose and not evil as for rust its galvenized other wise cages would have to be replaced every 6months eating up all the prophets
Don't you know? Manufacturers don't CARE what's good and bad for pets. If they did, there wouldn't be all the food out there that's bad for our pets and companies would only be manufacturing food that's good for them. But they don't care, not one bit.
lol There's no amount of facts in the world that you can acquire, that will convince a court to rape a company for all they're worth. You can't pursue a lawsuit against a company that manufactures pet products - you'd get no where. So yes, companies can come out with as many rotten products as they want and get away with it.
ok then lets put it this way if someone like you puts this much effort into someone like me for commenting on someone elses vid i would think that you would picket protest or what ever untill you got your case with a pet food company that made your animal sick
it's a good cage design, but it's really best to try a solid flooring, the wire that you are using now will hurt their feet and make it very uncomfortable to walk on.
This is actually a common myth. The ideal cage flooring is actually wire. This is because the rabbits aren't sitting in their waste all day. Breeds like the Rex and Mini Rex do need mats in their hutches but can still thrive in a wire bottomed cage.
The breed of the rabbit does not matter, they all CAN get sore hocks from only a wire bottom cage. In my eyes some wire is okay, and like you said, their not sitting in their waste all day, but it would be a lot better for the rabbits if they had at least part of the cage made of a solid material. Rabbits in the wild aren't hopping around on wire all day now are they? It's the owners job to make a safe and comfortable living enviroment for their pets and this to me is not, but it can be fixed.
If you've ever raised rabbits, you'll know exactly why a wire bottom is the only way to go.....several POUNDS of urine & feces every week. And the amount of litter you'd need to absorb all of that waste (if you used a solid bottom) & the # of times daily that you'd need to clean it out to keep it healthy, isn't workable. A wire-mesh bottom doesn't hurt a rabbit's feet at all & I think it's much nicer than having a rabbit lying around in it's own s***. THAT would be inhumane.
yes when ever you have a nest box that they sit in to long thats when they get sick just look at what they walk in in the wild stones uneven ground twigs as for size look at a wild den just big enogh for them they only come out to eat and breed
It's not, actually. Rabbits can be litter-trained, which makes using wire flooring pointless. My rabbit is completely litter-trained, and she only leaves a few stray poos for territorial purposes. Rabbits that are fixed will use their litter-boxes 100% 9 times out of 10. As dogpup23 said, rabbits exposed to wire flooring will get sore feet that inflame and cause what's commonly known as "bumble foot". There's tons more options, that require a little bit more thinking, where you don't need to use
Yes, it is. Plastic pads are usually placed on the floor that they can sit on. Bumble foot is actually a completely different condition that only occurs in cavies. What you seem to mean is sore hocks. Also, rabbits can be very hard to litter train if they are not castrated or spayed. Especially if you are doing a breeding or showing program which you therefore need the rabbits to be intact. As homesteadacres said, cocidia is very much a problem with solid bottom floors.
The wire floors are actually better. Remember that rabbits have very well-furred paws, and so they aren't affected. Besides, with solid floors, the manure stays were it is, and the rabbits step on it. And when they scratch themselves they get their waste all over themselves, so wire is best.
This is actually a common myth. The ideal cage flooring is actually wire. This is because the rabbits aren't sitting in their waste all day. Breeds like the Rex and Mini Rex do need mats in their hutches but can still thrive in a wire bottomed cage.
and they end up ripping all the newspapers up do not use pine or cedar shavings or any kind of wood shavings they are harmful to your rabbit's respiratory tracks i recommend you to use recycled newspaper pellets they are less irritating to your rabbit :)
@maggie188 Only certain breeds get sore hocks, breeds with finer fur on their feet like Mini rex, and rex. Other breeds do not require a resting area.
loll i know wat ur sayin, but most of that is absorbed by w/e the person has put on the mat (shavings/newspapers) , but there's still gonna be a weekly cleaning ur right.
im only sayin cause most people who get an animal generally care about it and rather not hurt it.
if you cant deal with its shit, dont get the animal
ok, then if you are going to do that go a head! Back in the day people didin't eat so much shit like you and wasted money on mats, bedding, newspaper for there animal. As log as the animal had food, water, and a roof over it's head it's ok! Anyways rabbits can't touch the floor! when the stepp on their own poo and pee the get a cronic skin desiase called "sarna"!
Well I'm sorry????? Too bad you don't own a pet! They will change your life! Pets are amazing! I breed rabbits for my kids enjoyment, for my enjoyent, for meat, and fertilizer, for showing at local rabbit shows and youth fairs, and also too feed my snakes and crocodilians! Rabbits are a very importiant pert of my life!!! And I love them!
i know, and i'm looking forward to owning one, im a uni. freshman right now, so im gonna have ot wait a little while before actually buying pets, though i do suspect that i probably wont be feeding them to any crocodilians :D
Wire on the bottom will hurt them :(
I have 2 rabbits... they live in a 4 storey hutch ^^ ... Homemade >.<
HanaSeung 2 months ago
wire on the bottom is bad for their feet
cuddlebuns1231 2 months ago
It looks really good. Kinda similar to my cages/hutches. Have several of all types and styles, and have some vids o them on my page. Can see them under Oregon Survivalist Group or just goto our channel. Great vid, thanks for posting :-)
dhdriller 2 months ago
Looks good to me but I wouldn't call it superior..but good :)
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holyghost61 5 months ago
If your interested in Lionhead or Lionlop rabbits we have them many to choose from. Our rabbits are kept in a clean environment and handled everyday so they won't be scared to pick up. check us out you won't be disappointed. Thanks. We are located in southern Ohio. mckenzieslions is our sight name.
holyghost61 5 months ago
If your interested in Lionhead or Lionlop rabbits we have them many to choose from. Our rabbits are kept in a clean environment and handled everyday so they won't be scared to pick up. check us out you won't be disappointed. Thanks. We are located in southern Ohio.
holyghost61 5 months ago
all i do is use about a 1x1 piece of wood for my rabbit to sit on...they don't need a piece of carpet cuz it will just get all covered in crap...it is by far the best homemade design ive seen just needs some pieces of wood to sit on
MrGinepig 5 months ago
all i do is use about a 1x1 piece of wood for my rabbit to sit on...they don't need a piece of carpet cuz it will just get all covered in crap...it is by far the best homemade design ive seen just needs some pieces of wood to sit on
MrGinepig 5 months ago
This is a terribly designed cage,
metronomic1 7 months ago
HOW WOULD U FANCY WALKING ON WIRE MESH 24 HOURS A DAY BARE FOOT ?????????.
anyone173 7 months ago
Far from a good design and definitely not a happy place for the rabbits. This is probably a careless breeder just raising them for people to kill and eat. I am very happy to see so many people respond knowing that this is NOT the way to house a rabbit. Keeping them outdoors is bad enough but to torture them in that kind of housing is just a horrible shame.
blhtaz 7 months ago
Superior my ass. By the looks of it those poor bunnies don't have any place to rest their feet from the wire bottoms. No wonder that one bunny is sitting crammed in the bowl. Probably because it's a hell of a lot more comfortable.
BunnyTeeVee 8 months ago
poor rabbits
TheGOSSIPGIRLxoxo8 8 months ago
Note to owner of rabbits. They are able to potty train and only poop in a litter box. They are very clean animals. Put some mats in the wire bottom cage now that the cage has already been built, it prevents foot injuries common in wire bottom cages.
truvelocity 9 months ago
@marleyNfriends I totally agree with you. It may or may not be a decent sized hutch design, but at the end of the day....its got a wired bottom which can cause sore hocks to the rabbits and yes, by being a breeder your leaving the people who buy them to suffer with the consequences of highly priced vet bills to treat sore hocks. I take a course at school which involves the animal welfare act...this hutch, im afraid does not abide by it! xxx i enjoy your videos Sophia
LittleFurryFriend 9 months ago
@marleyNfriends
1. This is a very good design (if it works for your breed), this is WAY bigger than most stackable 24x24 cages!! And this probably isn't his cage he was just expressing his opinion on it! btw the rabbits looked healthy and happy!!
2. Like you even have rabbits! And those are pretty big leafs on the grass and like he said befor, theres small holed heavy wireing!!
And ONCE again this probably is his friends rabbit cage so stop spamming your negative opinions...
typexxx13 10 months ago
cool hutch, you shouldn't use wire on the bottom where the rabbits are because it can really hurt their little feet, also.... I HEAR CHICKS!!! :D
Dakota7257 10 months ago
i think people are getting chickens confused with rabbits when they are criticizing the wire floors.
shoobedoorocketship 10 months ago
nice video...
JRSKICK1 10 months ago
@justonemorename the best for humans, yes, the best for rabbits? definately not! What if you make a 'dumping spot'? Some wire where you can wipe it all out the cage and then spray it with a hose or something.
Just suggesting, not attacking!
PiperWyattP4 11 months ago
sssssssoooooooo awsome but i made the mistake of wire bottom cages please put something to rest on!!!!!!!!!!!111111
sweethingjess 1 year ago
Do you think this cage would be great for small chickens? I like the sanitaion design of this cage.
london1817 1 year ago
Actually wire is the best flooring for rabbits. Certain types of wire can be hard on their feet however they are fine so long as they have resting boards in their cage. Larger breeds especially need to get off of the wire. But a cage with no wire is much harder to clean and needs to be cleaned every 3 days or so unless the rabbit is litter trained. Sitting in the bedding that absorbs their waste is bad on their lungs and they often develop snuffles without proper ventilation
wolfie115 1 year ago
Get out of the city and your my little pony reality. It is actually much more humane to have rabbits outside with wire bottoms - and yes something to rest on. Wire provides a clean environment with good air movement. I raise rabbits for meat in a hutch like this and my rabbits are very healthy. I care for my rabbits but I also remember what they are (a large rodent/pray species) that I raise for meat so I don't have to support the commercial meat industry - which is truly disgusting.
panaxhorridum 1 year ago
im not sure but i have been looking into building some rabbit cages for meat rabbits and thay all say to make them with wire i think it is because if the rabbit urine rotting the wood. and i plan on adding a mat to mine just an idea build it onces and build it right
the cheap guy
iwantosavemoney 1 year ago
you need to put news paper or something on the bottom it hurts there feet!!
musiclivzmylife20 1 year ago
It's crazy how many people are saying poor bunnies, they look pretty happy to me, even eating fresh clover or some greens. I even see one standing on a can or some kind of platform. My friends keep rabbits in wire cages and have a piece of flat wood the rabbits can stand on if their feet hurt... guess where they always seem to be hanging out at? on the wire of course.
Malleabis 1 year ago
@Malleabis well yes, but they at least have the opportunity to let their feet rest if they want to.
PiperWyattP4 11 months ago
thats a nice cage!!
and for the other commenting people that wire bottom is for when they poop and pee is so the waste will fall on the ground and its easy to clean and it actually makes there feet become more rough which allows the rabbits stenghten there feet!!
monkeys059127 1 year ago
There is no such thing called "bumble foot" in rabbits. That is a cavy (guinea pig) term. From an ARBA (American Rabbit Breeders Assn) member for over 28 years... But I agree with the overall assessment; this type of wire is very hard on a rabbit's foot. Better would be either a smoother welded type wire, or at least some mats that are specially made for rabbit cages (plastic). They'll tear them up eventually but they do help! Sore hocks is the correct term for the condition they can get.
miskaffon 1 year ago
How can you possibly call this a superior design when you have a wire bottom that hurt the rabbit's feet. You are pathetic.
otakumoe 1 year ago
you should have something underneath the rabbits a wire gace underneath them will hurt their feet.
TheVampgirl312 1 year ago
Those poor rabbits. Wire bottoms are not good for their feet. :(
littlefurballs 1 year ago
poor rabbits on wire thats not good ;-(
garypaulie 1 year ago
dat sucks that they have to stand on that... :(
irislovesnikki99 1 year ago
Its looks like they enjoy it!!
victoria4554 1 year ago
You've got the wire on the outside of the frame. Wire should be ~inside~ the cage between the rabbits and the wood. Any exposed wood will get eaten. Even with wire on the inside they'll still nibble at the wood but they won't be able to damage it much. Otherwise, it's a good design.
aphyd2 1 year ago 4
You've got the wire on the outside of the frame. Wire should be ~inside~ the cage between the rabbits and the wood. Any exposed wood will get eaten. Even with wire on the inside they'll still nibble at the wood but they won't be able to damage it much. Otherwise, it's a good design.
aphyd2 1 year ago
wtf is this shit lOL
adgjmptw4 1 year ago
Wire bottoms can cause bumble foot/feet
AnimalLuver356 1 year ago
rabbits can get sore hocks which leads to further complications if they are on wire bottom hutches especially larger breeds they must have a solid floor u at least a large enough mat for all rabbits to be comfortably be on at once all together
bosnakedisniksic 1 year ago
Wire bottomed cages are fine, I raise mini rex. they will only get sore hocks if they don't have a plastic resting board, or just a piece of wood to rest their feet on.
anakfoor 1 year ago
the wire is good so they don't move around much so they get nice and tender.
drahm33 1 year ago
can you just leave me alone, bitch. And oh, by the way it is still not so good for your rabbits to have wire bottom cages, idiot. So shut the fuck up- skank!!!
allmyrodents 2 years ago
Nooooo
Wire bottom will hurt their feet and create abysses, its best to have a solid floor with a smooth surface
popcornreviews 2 years ago
wire botton doesn't hurt the rabbits feet as long as you have a small mat for them to rest on..I know because I have a rabbitry and all of our hutches have wire bottom.
xXxBunnieCrazyxXx 2 years ago
Wire bottoma are NOT good for rabbits
allmyrodents 2 years ago
wire bottom cages are fine as long as you have a resting matt as youu can read what i have posted above
xXxBunnieCrazyxXx 2 years ago
but this one in the video doesnt have any mats best to have a solid floor
popcornreviews 2 years ago
@popcornreviews no it doesnt have matts but, it does have a rest area which is good enough
xXxBunnieCrazyxXx 2 years ago
not to be rubde but,if your gonna have a wire bottom cage, your should have a mat, small rug or somthing to rest their feet on to prevent absesses on them. and try putting thier food & water on the mat too!=3
with lots of ♥, Zmingy
zmingy 2 years ago 51
I agree but if the rabbits are wee dwarfs like I think are in those cages its ok but if you have larger heavier breeds its not good for their hocks.
PrincessPinkchi 2 years ago
ouch i can hear bumble foot a knockin :(
jdhunt82 2 years ago
@zmingy rabbits chew keep in mind
uf3y 1 year ago
yes-well now I hope we can just stop arguing because it is pretty pointless. I am glad you realize the pros and cons of wiring for breeders ;) nd yes, i understnad now you have a rabbit. if you ever consider breeding, I can give you advice ;D
RabbitsRmyLife 2 years ago
(continued from below) but we are thinking of our animals welfare. I can understand how you, having only 1 rabbit and much more time to focus on it, can have solid flooring. IF it is cleaned out daily (which most breeders clean weekly), then solid floors are OKAY. but just think if you had 19 rabbits, would you really have time to clean out 19 hutches a day? I didnt think so. this argument obviously going around in circles.how can you stand next to the truth and not see it?I agree with abrunelle
RabbitsRmyLife 2 years ago
No, if I had 19 rabbits, I would never have the time to clean out 19 hutches. Some background? I live in a house with 28 cats and most are a product(not by me) of my fiance's mother's failed breeding business. Some of these cats are imprisoned more than others, and spend hours out of their day crying to be let out. But most are not fixed, and if they were to be let out all together, the males would fight each other to the death, and mate with the females. So I probably have spouted unjust anger
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
due to where I live and what I've seen. And no, I don't see this argument going around in circles, but if you were to actually read into my posts, instead of concentrating blindly on a debate with the mentality that I'm some stuck-up b*tch that refuses to see other possibilities, then I'm sorry, but you are sincerely mistaken. I'm seeing the truth just fine - I already admitted, twice now, to not looking into this thoroughly, and by silently promising to do so when I have the time. It's not my
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
problem that you can't see it. That's your problem. :)
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
hamsterqueen-
we can all see that you are not a breeder, and that by your name title you probably are defending "smaller animal" cages, like the hamster and mouse. in that case yes, it is much safer to use a bedding as your flooring, however, rabbits are veryvery different from small rodents. it is not only an inconveniece, but a health hazard, to keep your rabbit on solid flooring. exspecially for breeders, who often have 20-30 rabbits. yes, we are also thinking of saving time, and money,
RabbitsRmyLife 2 years ago
Actually, for this conversation, I've not been defending "smaller animal" cages. I have honestly been targeting solid floor vs. wire flooring in rabbit cages. And again, my argument, which I believe I've made very clear as of late, is that for people like me, who aren't breeders, wire flooring is unnecessary as we actually have the time to take and litter-train our rabbits. As far as breeders go, I believe I apologized to abrunelle and commented how I haven't looked thoroughly into the pros and
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
cons of using wire flooring if you're a rabbit breeder, and the possibility of sore hocks and whether or not wire flooring is a cause of that in general. If I've been biased, I do apologize again, as I have not had good experiences with breeders in general.
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
wire flooring. Wire flooring is used based on the convenience of the person, not the rabbit. If a rabbit's cage is cleaned on a regular basis, they will not lay in their own messes. Actually, from the rabbits I've had, they hate when their cage gets too dirty, and my rabbits have actually shoved clean litter over on top their pile of dirty litter just to make themselves feel better. The only time rabbits lay in their own mess is when they're scared or nervous - then their smell acts as a comfort
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
As, a breeder with several state titles I would like to say that the rabbit's health is what comes very first. Why would I need the convenience of cleaning cages easier when solid bottom flooring causes many more health concerns? I absolutely agree that convenience should never come first. I am not trying to make money off my rabbits and I invest several dollars and much time in my rabbits. I for one am offended that you think that by us using a better facility for both rabbits and humans...
abrunelle 2 years ago 2
is making us breeders lazy con artists for choosing to take care of our animals. In conclusion, I would like to return to the issue of wire bottom flooring. Having waste immediately eliminated will remove many harmful parasites and bacteria. Sore hocks is caused by lack of care on the breeder NOT the wire. Though it does take a part, the wire is a clean and safe way to rabbits to live. They are only affected when waste builds up wearing away the rabbit's fur.
abrunelle 2 years ago
Then I must apologize. Perhaps I haven't looking into it thoroughly; but for people like me who don't breed rabbits, can't you understand my point that wire flooring is unnecessary when we actually have the time to litter-train our rabbits?
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
I honestly didn't mean to offend you, but I still standby the fact that adding wire flooring makes their cages all the more a prison. We should be investing money in cages that mimic our pets' natural environment instead of making them feel all the more they're being imprisoned. It's much more natural to have wood shavings to lay on, than wire flooring. As for as health concerns go, I understand that, but solid bottoms aren't an issue if they're cleaned regularly. I've never had an issue.
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
wow really cool design
xXxKrAzYyxXx 2 years ago
yes wire is by far the best and i have never had trouble with there feet solid floors encorage cocidia
HomesteadAcres 2 years ago
Not if the rabbits are litter-trained, and it's very easy to litter-train rabbits. If rabbits are litter-trained, wire flooring is absolutely unnecessary, because the few stray poos they leave behind are for territorial purposes and are easily cleaned up. Plus, wouldn't the wire flooring rust upon constant exposure to the urine?
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
not if you have 500 of them and if wire was that bad there would be no production at all pets and livestock are 2 different conceps each one is designed for its perpose and not evil as for rust its galvenized other wise cages would have to be replaced every 6months eating up all the prophets
HomesteadAcres 2 years ago
Don't you know? Manufacturers don't CARE what's good and bad for pets. If they did, there wouldn't be all the food out there that's bad for our pets and companies would only be manufacturing food that's good for them. But they don't care, not one bit.
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
Of course not, because they actually enjoy lawsuits.
HomesteadAcres 2 years ago
lol There's no amount of facts in the world that you can acquire, that will convince a court to rape a company for all they're worth. You can't pursue a lawsuit against a company that manufactures pet products - you'd get no where. So yes, companies can come out with as many rotten products as they want and get away with it.
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
ok then lets put it this way if someone like you puts this much effort into someone like me for commenting on someone elses vid i would think that you would picket protest or what ever untill you got your case with a pet food company that made your animal sick
HomesteadAcres 2 years ago
it's a good cage design, but it's really best to try a solid flooring, the wire that you are using now will hurt their feet and make it very uncomfortable to walk on.
dogpup23 2 years ago
This is actually a common myth. The ideal cage flooring is actually wire. This is because the rabbits aren't sitting in their waste all day. Breeds like the Rex and Mini Rex do need mats in their hutches but can still thrive in a wire bottomed cage.
abrunelle 2 years ago
The breed of the rabbit does not matter, they all CAN get sore hocks from only a wire bottom cage. In my eyes some wire is okay, and like you said, their not sitting in their waste all day, but it would be a lot better for the rabbits if they had at least part of the cage made of a solid material. Rabbits in the wild aren't hopping around on wire all day now are they? It's the owners job to make a safe and comfortable living enviroment for their pets and this to me is not, but it can be fixed.
dogpup23 2 years ago
If you've ever raised rabbits, you'll know exactly why a wire bottom is the only way to go.....several POUNDS of urine & feces every week. And the amount of litter you'd need to absorb all of that waste (if you used a solid bottom) & the # of times daily that you'd need to clean it out to keep it healthy, isn't workable. A wire-mesh bottom doesn't hurt a rabbit's feet at all & I think it's much nicer than having a rabbit lying around in it's own s***. THAT would be inhumane.
ggmorvaj 2 years ago
Totally agree. Cages are prisons enough for rabbits, and all pets actually. Give them comfort, not convenience.
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
yes when ever you have a nest box that they sit in to long thats when they get sick just look at what they walk in in the wild stones uneven ground twigs as for size look at a wild den just big enogh for them they only come out to eat and breed
HomesteadAcres 2 years ago
well said
abrunelle 2 years ago 4
It's not, actually. Rabbits can be litter-trained, which makes using wire flooring pointless. My rabbit is completely litter-trained, and she only leaves a few stray poos for territorial purposes. Rabbits that are fixed will use their litter-boxes 100% 9 times out of 10. As dogpup23 said, rabbits exposed to wire flooring will get sore feet that inflame and cause what's commonly known as "bumble foot". There's tons more options, that require a little bit more thinking, where you don't need to use
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
Yes, it is. Plastic pads are usually placed on the floor that they can sit on. Bumble foot is actually a completely different condition that only occurs in cavies. What you seem to mean is sore hocks. Also, rabbits can be very hard to litter train if they are not castrated or spayed. Especially if you are doing a breeding or showing program which you therefore need the rabbits to be intact. As homesteadacres said, cocidia is very much a problem with solid bottom floors.
abrunelle 2 years ago
My rabbit isn't spayed yet, and I didn't have an issue with litter-training her. But again, I'm not a breeder.
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
The wire floors are actually better. Remember that rabbits have very well-furred paws, and so they aren't affected. Besides, with solid floors, the manure stays were it is, and the rabbits step on it. And when they scratch themselves they get their waste all over themselves, so wire is best.
TheGeekyNinjaStudios 2 years ago 3
Sebastian's cage is not a good design, how many rabits are in there? The wire floor is awful for their little paws, put some grass mats in there!
beachbabebluesky 2 years ago
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This is actually a common myth. The ideal cage flooring is actually wire. This is because the rabbits aren't sitting in their waste all day. Breeds like the Rex and Mini Rex do need mats in their hutches but can still thrive in a wire bottomed cage.
abrunelle 2 years ago
the bottom is wire and thats not good for their feet and its too high most rabbits are scared of hights
BitchinHair09 2 years ago
um dude that cage dont look so great but i do like to idea at the bottom to keep the smell down:)
MattPlambeck 3 years ago
wire bottems cause soar hocks..they need some flat areas to rest
maggie188 3 years ago 32
i agree, it also looses the heat where you could have the wood shavings
animalcaredude 3 years ago
I'm glad people are aware of wire bottom cages causing sore hocks. Also, beware Pine and Cedar shavings can cause liver problems if ingested.
mpoertner 3 years ago 6
thanks for that tip
animalcaredude 3 years ago
what kind of shavings should you use? could you use shredded newspaper?
sistermitzi 2 years ago
You can if the ink that s used for prinitng is soy based, if it isnt the rabbits can get sick from nibbling on it
KibaSan1234 2 years ago
shredded newspapers turn your rabbit's feet black
and they end up ripping all the newspapers up do not use pine or cedar shavings or any kind of wood shavings they are harmful to your rabbit's respiratory tracks i recommend you to use recycled newspaper pellets they are less irritating to your rabbit :)
wahahahpink 2 years ago
Actually - aspen shavings are perfectly fine. :) They contain no aromatic oils like pine and cedar do.
HamsterQueen 2 years ago
@maggie188 Only certain breeds get sore hocks, breeds with finer fur on their feet like Mini rex, and rex. Other breeds do not require a resting area.
themakersoffun 10 months ago
Awesome!
telesniper2 3 years ago
cool
Lisa13245 3 years ago
It looks really nice but can you do one where we can see inside? Thanks
CaitnNas 3 years ago
You say "thanks", but thanks for what?? Who are you thanking?? They did not make the video for you!
crocodilehunter150 3 years ago
You got problems dude...
duhhxitsxjason 3 years ago
Thanks for sharing!
mpoertner 3 years ago
thhes thanking people for watching the video,doy.
megabug1010 3 years ago
nice but there should be a mat on the bottom, you'll hhurt their feet
pva44 3 years ago
Yeah dumbass!! If there is a mat on the bottom it will collect shit and pee! Are you going to clean it??
crocodilehunter150 3 years ago
loll i know wat ur sayin, but most of that is absorbed by w/e the person has put on the mat (shavings/newspapers) , but there's still gonna be a weekly cleaning ur right.
im only sayin cause most people who get an animal generally care about it and rather not hurt it.
if you cant deal with its shit, dont get the animal
avp007 3 years ago
ok, then if you are going to do that go a head! Back in the day people didin't eat so much shit like you and wasted money on mats, bedding, newspaper for there animal. As log as the animal had food, water, and a roof over it's head it's ok! Anyways rabbits can't touch the floor! when the stepp on their own poo and pee the get a cronic skin desiase called "sarna"!
crocodilehunter150 3 years ago
yea true, nowadays people care more about their pets than human beings. Wasn't trying to fight with u i dont even have a pet as of yet.
avp007 3 years ago
Well I'm sorry????? Too bad you don't own a pet! They will change your life! Pets are amazing! I breed rabbits for my kids enjoyment, for my enjoyent, for meat, and fertilizer, for showing at local rabbit shows and youth fairs, and also too feed my snakes and crocodilians! Rabbits are a very importiant pert of my life!!! And I love them!
crocodilehunter150 3 years ago
i know, and i'm looking forward to owning one, im a uni. freshman right now, so im gonna have ot wait a little while before actually buying pets, though i do suspect that i probably wont be feeding them to any crocodilians :D
avp007 3 years ago
this looks like a iguana cage
killer475 3 years ago
Your mom looks like an iguana cage BITCH!
crocodilehunter150 3 years ago
fuck u, ur mom has a bigger dick than u so i wouldnt be talking shit face
killer475 3 years ago
STOP being jelous! Just face it Cunt my mom and I both have larger dicks than you!!
crocodilehunter150 3 years ago
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ROFL u just admitted ur mom has a dick u fkin idiot
killer475 3 years ago