Bach - Violin Concerto in A minor BWV 1041 - 1st movement

[AnubisFanatiker13]

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so gail könnt ich nich in 100 jahren spielen *-*

[ChiaraMorgan]

@andrewmundell: that's absolutely true D:!!

[andrewmundell]

Not the best performance I have ever heard

[lazytalk1]

Did anybody else notice the main violinist going off time too?

[jtrstrings]

BRAAAAVI!!

[artofmymusic]

They used the old afination... A=415?

[VERITS99]

Why the solo player changes the tempo (retards) at bars 148-149 and 152-153? I find that is annoying.

[TraceyBaddy]

B. ¡te adorooo!

[augenrhett]

esto no suena alemán, sino italiano

[guerrasanta1488]

@augenrhett cero conocimiento musical del barrocoooo!!! XD

[zarihueya555]

I looooove HIPs (Historically informed performances). Every artist I hear playing this concerto teaches me someting more.

[kroqgar78]

@zarihueya555 a musical mind you have!

[pilotoatomico]

A minor in baroque period = Ab minor in our times....

[ajboy1999]

The fingerboard looks a little too short but even

though the whole composition of the song sounds great

[masael255]

@ajboy1999 Aye, it is a shorter finger board on the baroque setup. You can see the difference between the soloist's violin and the violinist behind him, who has a modern set up. There are some other, more subtle differences such as a flatter finger board, different curvature of the bridge, and tuning a half step down (A min baroque = Ab min modern). :)

[ajboy1999]

@masael255 Thank you very much

[VERITS99]

@masael255 >the violinist behind him, who has a modern set up.

No, his instrument is a baroque violin, too. Look at the baroque bow. Meanwhile the cellists look playing modern instruments, but the definition of the video is not high enough, so I can't say for sure.

[dubedition1111]

Just saying, this isn't A min. :(

[Karizra]

@dubedition1111 nope, it's definitely a minor. It's just a different pitch.

[dubedition1111]

@Karizra Oh. Is it baroque tuning?

[firebreathone3]

shabby sound quality

[Violinios]

daaaaam.  ima go play this song now that i know how it sounds.

[pilotoatomico]

1:14 ALMOST!! XD I can tell this guy hasnt practiced that tune much u know...a little sloppy here and there, and it looks as if he was depending on the music too much

[Conti15]

@pilotoatomico yeah and right after that, guy totally botches is, don't like sound either

[TheMolmstead]

He is making a whole lot of mistakes, including the tempo, especially, and the key is wrong. He is playing it in A flat minor.

[crazywatergirl923]

@TheMolmstead He is playing that piece. He can interpret it how he wants.

[luimarish]

@TheMolmstead ignorant! ahah aflat min... ignorant!!

[adagiossimo]

@TheMolmstead baroque tuning

[imafirinmalaser]

I'm pretty sure that Baroque music isn't supposed to played like that, especially around the 2:30 mark and after, but I must give him kudos for playing so clearly and smoothly. Thank-you so much for uploading this! 8/10!

[theanswer00]

@imafirinmalaser I'm sorry but who are you to criticize Antonini's and Onofri's performance? They did a complete revolution of baroque music, and I'm pretty sure they know exactly how to play baroque music. And by the way this is a live performance, not a CD, when you have to play in front of a thousand people you don't know how your performance will be. Everything can happen even if you're the most trained artist

[imafirinmalaser]

@theanswer00 I didn't mean it so abruptly... I play the violin for well over 15 years now and all the theory I've learned over these years has stated that baroque music is to be very metronomical with very evenly spaced notes. The way Antonini's and Onofri played it, it seemed very romanticised at places and it seemed to lose the baroque flavour. That's just me; this is my opinion, and I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to it. As to who I am, well I'll be forever a no-body, but atleast you noticed me

[theanswer00]

@imafirinmalaser maybe you never knew about "inegalité"? In baroque music not every note has the same importance, and they were marking these notes by making them a bit longer then the others, or "stealing" a bit of tempo before them. This is what we address as baroque rubato - which is very different from the romantic way, because it's not out of tempo. Check out CPE Bach and JJ Quantz books, they wrote about this, and I also do recommend to listen to some cembalist like Verlet and Ross

[theanswer00]

@imafirinmalaser By the way it's nice to talk to somebody that has some interest! Don't think I'm beeing aggressive with you ^^

[TheToiletpapir]

lol its in Ab...

[MercifulMe]

@TheToiletpapir No, it's in a minor. a=415 hz.

[mariemusic]

The tunning of that orchestra is not 440 right???

[mkviolin]

@mariemusic 415

[Sylfira]

Great performance, but maybe too fast...

[Spangley03]

That man certainly has a lot of room between the bridge and fingerboard to move. ;o

[WinstonBarlowViolin]

Only Bach knows the real and perfect tempo so dont talk about it... :)

[robynsalain]

fantastique !!

[aghaanantyab]

AArrrrgh! too fast!

[ohad3210]

Nice, but too fast...

[ProfChristiaan]

@ohad3210 totally agree!

[ProfChristiaan]

This is one of Bach's masterpieces, but it is to fast.

[Musicabarocco]

@ProfChristiaan The tempo marks of a 1st movement in BWV 1041 was no indication. Do you decide a tempo in what kind of standard?

[theanswer00]

Bach is really hard to play, especially if you are a sensible person and, as Onofri that day, you're very tired from your journeys around the world... you can see that the whole orchestra is not at his best

[iverfranz]

A very good interpretation, but I feel that something is missing.

[DocBarc]

chi dice che il violinista non è all'altezza capisce veramente poco...

[nico874sky]

Jouer en boyau sur ce genre de musique est tout de même beaucoup plus agréable :P

[MrCarlossantana1]

I think this is one of the best interpretations i´ve heard

Brilliant!

thank you for posting!

[vandafbezerra]

Deslumbrante!!!

[vivacecilia]

Il complesso è ottimo,ma il violinista non è del tutto all altezza del concerto!!!

[ruudbrasil]

Sloppy... Seen this guy preform a lot better than in this clip ... Maybe he had a bad hair day

[violinprodigy100]

i love the riding bass in the background lol, good tho

[chicha1964]

ouch!

[daddygthang45]

He plays with a Boroque violin which makes it sound more antique. It sounds nice though.

[DarkLoveFashion]

so baroque :)

[tubeastradio]

:( non mi piace..

[theyeofsauronisuponu]

nice speed, the violinist is not great

[19andoverlol]

This is like, 15 beats too fast.

[dzeljpiano]

Oh lord thats music : )

[drdrey111]

The violonist is not that great. But the tempo and the tune are good. But there are better versions.

[JamesViolin]

I like how they tuned it a half step lower like in the Baroque period

[goodluckpeace44]

I also like how some people knows so much

[theulkar]

senza cuore senza anima e con tanta preoccupazione

[PANAYIOTISPETERLEVIS]

TOO FAST!

[violatione]

What is up with you people and tempo critiques? Honestly do you really want everyone on earth to play classical music exactly the same way every single time? I think our music is not as popular in as it could be because the interpretations are far too homogenous.

[isitvalottioryoung1]

@violatione

AMEN, Maestro!!

Interpretations are homogenous, the art of natural phrasing is virtually dead, and the mindless implementation of parlour-organ vibrato dissipates the inherent resonance of a fine instrument while conjuring up the smell of someone's grandmother.

In short, performers are woefully under-educated (especially, though not exclusively, here in the U.S.); How can we NOT expect audiences to follow suit? How can we NOT expect them to die of sheer boredom?

[kammermusiken]

@violatione

Discussing tempo is for consumers. Understanding music means dynamics and agogical playing. That's missing in most recordings. If you have a teacher telling you, structure, phrasing, dynamics is for later: send him home. This is the stuff you have to start with, before you create fuss about tempo and intonation. Musicality means making music not just playing nice.

[MrHicks091]

@violatione Couldn't agree more. Though I certainly have my "preferred" interpretations of certain classical works, I can fully appreciate that not everyone will interpret things the same way-one of the great strengths of Classical music IMHO!

[masael255]

@violatione Very well said.

[SHIKISHIMA1990]

a little fast

[rwpusey]

This is beautiful. I'd like to ask a question from those who know since I don't - What does BMV 1041 in the title stand for? I'm not a music major, but I'm curious.

[waseen71]

Bach Werke Verzeichnis It is the ´´catalog´´ of Bach works, so if this is 1041, means his 1041st composition.

[HerrWarja]

I don't think the catalog is chronological, but Im not sure.

[mathfreak123]

I thought the numbers were to show in what order they were cataloged.

e.g. 1041 (this piece) would be the 1041st piece the cataloger cataloged.

[dorochung]

haha

it sounds Spanish

and yeah the key is flat....

i dont think its in a minor

lol

nice performance though

[animeviolalord]

It's not flat. There are in Baroque tuning, using authentic Baroque-era instruments. Instruments now are usually tuned to about 440 Hz. In the Baroque era, there were many different tunings, the two popular ones being French Baroque tuning (app. 392 Hz) and Chamber tuning (415 Hz). This ensemble is in 415, which is about a half-step down from normal tuning. That's why they sound flat :)

[tangnatalaga]

wow so meaning this performance is tuned the same way as baroque era. Thats a wonderfull thing that they did that to preserve authenticity.

[AmaliaKZ]

So if they're using baroque instruments is that why there is such a big space on the instrument between the fingerboard and the bridge?

[azntanan]

Baroque violin has a short fingerboard. The angle of the neck is also different. I don't exactly remember but I think the neck is also a little thicker. The bridge on a Baroque violin is also thinner.

[animeviolalord]

The angle of the neck on a Baroque violin is more parallel while the angle on a modern violin is more tilted, desu.

[wks1978]

yep. tis in A minor, very chromatic writing though so it cycles though many keys in its course.

they're playing a lower pitch than what is standard for modern music today

and it's german, not spanish.

[tangnatalaga]

why is it that fat people sound good playing violin? I think the fat in their chin dampens the vibration. This is not meant to be an offensive comment, it is scientfic.

[wks1978]

Maybe they got more support for the instrument and a heavier bow arm....

??

[utyre1534]

The playing is amazing but the sound is kinda strange,

[AngeliqueZombified]

My favorite Bach concerto! I lost the tape, thank you for posting it.

[MacBeneak]

David Oistrakh???... jajjajja ...Il GIARDINO is BETTER :D

[avremke24]

Dus is git :D

[MonChouiee]

this piece sounds wonderful. i;m going to try it - it should be worth it !

[moni1361]

yes , i'm playing- it is worth it .Quite easy though.Realy wonderful

[Grobanite122549]

really! is it easy? cool i am looking for the sheets but cant find them -_-

[PALIGON12]

музыка красота спасёт мир!люди опомнитесь!ваши дети-мы все живем на одной планете!зачем войны!давайте созидать!вселенная такая штука,она все видит и передаёт другому покалению грехи,и ошибки и у нас нет выбора ,как решать их а не перекладывать на другихь!

[ruykotsusei]

Joseph la toca mejooor!! Te amamosss!! :D

[Milevski]

anyone could tell me the notes of the theme?

[FredericoLourenco]

they used to play in Baroque pitch (A=415 Hz). So, A minor= G# minor

[moonkasnow]

it is so uncomfortable to listen this... i can´t get the notes...

tought music is beatiful.

[Korbu3]

It's fine, you replied to me anyway :)

Thank you

[Korbu3]

I knew they did that, but could you tell me what do you mean by "duplicate the tuning"?

[aviyal]

what?! they arent playing that in A minor.. why?

[Eurofer]

That´s baroque affination

[aviyal]

?? i dont get the connection..

they supposed to play it in A minor and they dont..

[dearodear]

Hi

I didn't mean to make an agressive criticism, I love the band and th epiece, but I'm a musician too and clearly we can feel some hesitiations combined to the fact his eyes are stuck to the chart. Nothing dramatic though...

[Berseker696]

I could recognise this too.

Not that I am a musician (a drummer, but well, the only thing that's related is the rythm notion), but well, it's a matter os sensibility. Look up for David Oistkrah's version.

[alvarocadenasvaldes]

esta cancion la estoy tokando yo y preciosa y mas tokada por un gran violinista

[dearodear]

The lead violonist makes mistakes in his timling (I think it is becaue he's reading and doesn't know the piece by heart)

He plays wonderfully but that soils a bit the performance I think

[MercifulMe]

@dearodear Considering he's a soloist with fricking Il Giardino Armonico, it's probably intentional musical styling.

[JonnyChannel]

@dearodear  you play it then....

[ChristianKalos]

@dearodear He is playing how he wants to play, to stand out, a true musician does not always read to perfection with what's on the sheet, that becomes monotonous!

[candieworld123]

very beautiful. love it

[OscarsanchezIII]

Not very nice I think...

[zzzzzzzzzzzzander]

its nice but a little to fast for me but thats just my taste

[XxJeLLyBoYxX]

In the old days, the string was made of animal stomach lining.

The pitch was obvisioly lower if you used that kind of string.

Now days its probabely aluminum so the pitch is much higher.

But to make it sound like the original, they make the string pitch lower.

[WhitelighterMae1832]

Lol, Gut strings... Very dark sound, but brilliantly beautiful

[wcbroccoli]

What do you mean by "in the old days"?

Metal strings were introduced in the early 20th c. but did not come into general use under after WW2.

The concermaster of a famous American philharmonic orchestra used gut until he retired in 1960 !

Strings, whether gut or metal, are tuned to the desired pitch. In Bach's day, several pitch standards existed, some higher than A440.

A440 did not become an international pitch standard until the 1950s.

[TheCrazyCello]

Indeed... and from the sound of it here I'd say the only metal strings are the brass ones in the harpsichord. It's hard to see but at 0:25 it looks like the top 3 strings on the soloist's fiddle are unwound gut, although the strings on the 'cellos appear to be wound with what looks like nickel. To be entirely historically accurate, I suppose only the bottom two strings on the 'cellos should be wound, and perhaps a half-winding on the violin Ds and viola Gs, but that's just being pedantic!

[wcbroccoli]

In the late 17th c. they began using wire wound gut for the lowest strings on viola da gamba (G and D).

[TheCrazyCello]

Of course, I meant to tacitly imply that by this point in the 18th c. the violin G and viola C would probably be wound, I just meant that the upper two cello strings should probably be plain.

[thelightisahead]

:( I don't think my ears would be sensitive enough to notice if a piece was played a semitone lower than I were used to! Nevertheless it is developing, have started being able to identify pitches, especially C,F,G and perhaps B. Anyway, enough about me!

[BenGabbay]

Beautiful. Personally, I'm not so crazy about violin, but this is very nice.

[bonnibi]

Um...this isn't A minor...

[bonnibi]

They lowered everything by a half step I believe. Is there a reason for this?

[wcbroccoli]

Yes, it is A minor, tuned to A415, more or less the standard chamber music tuning in Bach's day.

A440 tuning was not adopted as an international standard until well into the 20th century.

I'm amused when, upon hearing a historically informed performance, someone remarks that it sounds a 1/2-step lower, as though he believes the human race is genetically programmed to hear everything at A440.

[bonnibi]

Oh okay! Thanks.

It just sounded off to me cuz I'm used to my own violin, which I guess, is tuned to A440.

[wcbroccoli]

I see that it's your violin, not your ear, that is programmed at A440 :)

[zaokoyechatma]

is it me are that violin has to nice sound to it

[AlannahMuriel]

I LOVE this... You can put all your aggression in the 1st movement =)

[zaokoyechatma]

is it me are that violin sounds alive

[migborisson]

is liggii bianchi?

[firebreathone]

There was no such thing as a "conductor" as we know it today back in the baroque era .The conductor was usually accompanying the playing from his harpsichord.

[dolofonos]

That's a not entirely a true statement: While the method of conducting today adheres more commonly to the present formalities, such method was not at all unheard of during the Baroque period. Beat may have been kept by a member of the ensemble as well as by a dedicated conductor through the use of either hands alone or various extensions, from small wands to great staves. It is not at all difficult to imagine the composer himself conducting apart from the ensemble at least during rehearsal.

[isitvalottioryoung1]

I can't help but comment that Enrico is starting to look a little bit like Ignaz Schuppanzigh...

But I love him all the more!

[vasile1606]

formidabile....faccio il 3o anno di conservatorio e qst anno faro' qst concerto....

ce la farò?????????????

[ozzlefozzle]

my fav piece of all time (modesty in experience though)

[avvieavatar]

Wahhh I wish I can play like him T.T Better start practicing...

BTW they don't have any females in their orchestra do they?

[CherubNoodle]

How old are yoZ?

[davidvorobiev]

Концерт очень красивый и темп нужный, но игра бездушная!

[masael255]

Great version. Particularly right at 0:59 there's a little pause before the note and it's jsut...well, not quite sure how to explain it but stellar. And on a side note; HUZZAH!! ANOTHER VIOLINIST WITH A BEARD!!

[alkovna]

Do they really need conductor for this?

[bearsrider]

You're definitely right. Indeed Konzertmeister (the first violin or, like in this case, the solo violin) or Kapelmeister (the basso continuo performer from the harpsychord or organ) conducts usually.

[jhonwica]

bella interpretazione, ma i liggii bianchi se gli potevano risparmiare, gli mancano loso le parruche!

[AngeMarais]

Forse sono proprio la cosa migliore del concerto, che è fantastico!

[violin233]

THIS IS BACH ... not like kennedy, kennedy hates bach

[CoIdFront]

Whoa. Sound like period instruments.

[dani1978el]

very good. But it sounds too southern european.

[isitvalottioryoung1]

I don't believe Bach would've minded that, necessarily...

Just a thought.

[xXLeafXNinjaXx]

i think this is the closest thing to the original style that ive ever heard!

[Ziggy1614]

how could you possibly of heard the original? Did Bach record it onto CD

[xXLeafXNinjaXx]

im a reincarnated violinist

no shit he didnt record it im just saying

based of research that people do it sounds

CLOSE

[paolojacm]

I think it's beautiful, played the baroque way

[dude200540]

too far from David Oistrakh the legend

[xXLeafXNinjaXx]

well david oistrakh didnt play on a baroque instrument so of course theres gonna be tonal differences

[95thRiflesOCI]

Baroque is the way to go : )

[dude200540]

some notes are not accurate..work on your intonation..music is dragging

[jonathantosio]

I don't think they play in equal temperament!

[Contrapvnctvs]

umm, indeed i also find it messy.

[joshisaac]

god it's messy. and so tense!...actually not very surprising, the conductor's recorder playing is often awful too!

[Oppp2]

agreed.

[battleblades]

Is this John Holloway?

[morindhe]

It's IGA's concertmaster, Enrico Onofri.

[stilodieuterpe]

Please delete! In reanlity these musicians are not playing in this manner. Their day was bad.

[ilgiardinobarocco]

i think you don't know anything about playing baroque period music? they're playing bach? in my opinion it's awesome.

[stilodieuterpe]

I would not say that, I don't know anything about playing baroque, because I am a baroque musician. According to me very good Giardino Armonico viewpoint from Bach. But it this concert did not turn out the best.