There were more police than protesters? Seriously, what were the protesters gonna try against a force that big? Its pretty damn obvious it was a peaceful protest, its like the police just got bored so decided to disperse it.
It doesn't matter if people throw barricades at the police, they act as if they going for peace yet I see and hear a number of them screaming obscenities at the police, as well as blocking a public road? That is not the smartest idea to do, and what exactly happens when a protest or riot breaks out? You get smacked in the face by the long arm of the law. Go back to your board rooms and meetings to figure out how to protest correctly.
There's one lady yelling obscenities, and it only lasts for like a few moments before she finally shut up. The Supreme Court case Hague v. CIO ruled that public streets and sidewalks are common place for people to gather in protest, thus safe for protesting (even if they block it). The exception would be in the cases of a private roads, emergency routes during emergency, etc. Basically: The police had no good reason to break up the protest other than to break up the protest.
DoSomething is correct, from the 3 videos I watched on here I can see no reason for the Tacoma Police to act in the manner they did. Public Safety could gain a HUGE amount of good PR if they would appoint a liaison in these protests to work WITH the protest to ensure that the protesters can have their say, and that the situations don't escalate into an US vs THEM situation. This scenario absolutely didn't have to happen.
At ~3:25 a cop comes on the loudspeaker and tells them to disperse or face charges of "criminal trespass". Again at ~4:00. Again at 5:30 with a "final warning." These protestors were told to move by police, and they didn't. Thus, they faced the consequences. Actions have consequences in real life, apprently leech-on-society hippies don't understand this concept. They got what they deserved. If a police officer gives you an order, especially in a high-tension situation, you follow it.
As a Veteran and son of a retired officer you are taught to question authority even as an officer. If it's a peaceful non-violent protest then officers have no right to use any type of force until deemed necessary. Our civil liberties protects us to have protests so long as it is not a threat to society in which these nice people were not showing any type of threat. I have fought police corruption many times on a personal level. I know my rights, these kids have the right to protest. Molon Labe!
The reason you dont see it is becasue it didnt happen. The officer LIED. Looked in the camera and lied. HE should be dragged out of the station, stripped down, and caned on Pacific Ave.
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to everyone saying "I HATE COPS", spend some time trying to help an ungrateful populace that tries to thwart you at every turn, and THEN come back feeling like "giving peace a chance". seriously, at the end of a day filled with pissy civilians who hate your guts but STILL seem to want you to cater to their every whim, no one wants to have to deal with scores of protesters singing at them. they just wanted the job to be over with. the reaction was a little extreme, but hardly unprovoked.
i accidently gave u a thumbs up. it should have been a thumbs down.
hardly unprovoked...? singing peace songs is provoking....?your post is a very good example i will say of how the police man/women is now looking at those who pay their salaries.
shall we surrender to this police state?
i am 56 years old and i am ashamed of how we allowed our country to get to this state.
if u care Not for 'we the people' then who is it u Do care for?
refusing to cooperate with the police inevitably leads to police action. but i wasn't saying that the protesters alone provoked such an extreme reaction, i'm saying that years of working in a thankless job for a meager salary gives many officers a relatively short fuse and while what they did was extreme, i can see where they're coming from. the biased mentality of instantly condemning one side without trying to understand them is what causes situations like these because it fosters hate.
The officers were refusing to Cooperate with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. When this happens, a citizen has not only the right but the DUTY to uphold it. Especially against its oppressors. American Constitution > Everything Else. Molon Labe!
I don't think it's a true or false situation. Maybe barricades WERE thrown, but AFTER the police began to fire. For instance, at 6:39 after the police began firing, we see a protestor picking up a barricade and disappear into the fog. So, while barricades may have been thrown, it was the PD's best justification for their actions.
Nope, no barricades thrown were recorded by this camera, although there were several interesting thumps and collapsed barricades can be seen afterwards.
However, the protestors were illegal blocking property (federal property, if I heard the megaphone right) and given several orders to disperse. They obviously had no intent to do so (sitting down). Therefore they were dispersed with force.
Also, Police State guy? Shut up. In a police state there would be no warnings, and real bullets.
i just want to say that there where no baracades thrown but if you look after they fire the tear gas a guy picks up a baracade please look over this video please answer my comment
No barricades were thrown, but you guys were still standing/sitting in the street. Then again, so were the police, and I did not hear any of them tell you guys to move. I live in Tacoma. Disappointing.
Are you hearing impaired? They tell them to move at approximately 3:40 in the video with a bull horn. Then they start singing louder. The police warn them again with the bull horn. Then I hear them get warned again and they respond by sitting down. Then instead of leaving after the tear gas is launched they throw it back at the police.(side note..while I did not see the barricade being thrown there was one laying near one of the officers feet. Don't know how it got there.
fuck the police, but a protest should have one mind, a little solidarity, otherwise you get a senseless mob that is fueled by emotion and not principle - emotional protest is inherently violent. Peaceful protest does not involve taunts (ie. verbal escalation).
somebody should've shut that fat siren in the front up.
God damned fascists. These fascists are unamerican traitors who probably think that serving the fascist State will some how win them rewards in their Christian heaven.
what was the protest about anyway? looked like a small crowd versus a whole precinct of cops. And there should be more cameras showing the same thing from different angles to prove this point.
The mainstream media left earlier in the evening. This was about 2:00 am on a Friday night. The protest was against the surge plan, which is using our local ports to ship military equipment to Iraq before troops arrive in Iraq to use it.
Soldiers don't deploy unless their equipment is deployed first. It's not a question about whether they're unequipped, but whether they should be there in the first place.
And this is how they get their point across? I don't understand how that gives the protesters the right to sit in the street blocking property. After warning after warning they needed to be moved more forcefully.
I'm not a pro on protests but from the amount that ive watched i can tell (pretty consecutively) that when the POlice tell u to move and u don't, THey'll move ye
It doesn't matter. The simple fact is that even barriers being thrown does not justify the attack on so many peaceful protestors due to the actions of a few. These people aren't enemy combatants (prior to GW) they are just making a point. The point is clear. These are the same police that will shut you up when you speak your mind, regardless of what you believe. So, think about what you're saying when you say you'd "off" somebody. They'll say the same thing when they "off" you.
the barricades were TIPPED OVER prior to when this video begins,i imagine had we picked them up and thrown them they would have responded quicker and harsher. also they ordered us to "disperse or you'll be ARRESTED" not disperse or "we'll fuck you all up with CHEMICAL WEAPONS" by the way isnt everyone supposed to hate Sadam cause he used chemical weapons on his own people?
its interesting how after the tear gas was fired, although it is difficult to tell, it seems no one threw them back at the cops, who then proceeded to open fire anyway.
No matter what the video shows, the same people always give the police the benefit of the doubt over protestors. Even if they were throwing the barricades, which I personally see no evidence of, thats not a reason for tear gas and rubber bullets. You act as if cops never use unnecesary force, though its been proven time and time again that there are plenty of cases where they do. No matter the situation you have the same response "Haha stupid hippies". Try a logical argument for change
Welcome to the police state. Don't let these bastards have cameras in our streets. Don't let them have our DNA. Don't let them have our fingerprints. Don't let them do their own oversight. Every person who would dress up in riot gear and tear gas peaceful protesters has no moral conscious in my opinion.
I really wish people could protest without calling others fascists....it's very cliche. And what's with the rude girl yelling at the police, they're only doing their job. Get off your high horse and forget this holier than thou attitude, it's tiring.
As OSMPWR said, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence".
If no chair was thrown, were the cops wrong? Yes. But in crowded hectic situations like that (especially with the girl yelling in their faces) mistakes happen.
Not necessarily! You could have the police ring much broader, you could intervene when damage was done and not an the glimpse of a moment. How do you think they keep things in order duriing big festivals and those guys not even have the man-power nor the gadgets that the police has...
well you can see that saw horses on the ground in fron of the police... why don't you post the whole video un cut. I have seen what led up to the "sit in" then a break and then this part. Nice editing hippy. I only wish this was a police state then we could use something more efective against you than tear gas and rubber bullets.
The whole video is almost an hour long. I'm waiting to get the police videos so I can compare them. You say I "cut" or "edited" this video? Where. This whole video is uncut, and it's one long sequence.
Your statement "I wish this was a police state...so we could..." undermines your credibility. On the other hand, as a fascist you don't really have credibility in the first place. People like you don't need justice because you don't care about it to begin with.
What I am refering to the breaks in the videos you posted. In the video that you say is 2 minutes before the "give peace a chance" video the hippies are scuffiling with the cops near the saw horses that were thrown... we see it standing and then in this video it is laying on the ground closer to the police, my guess it was thrown there like the cannisters of CS gas that you threw at the police.
What "breaks" in the video. This video ends where "Give Peace A Chance" begins.
That barricade is on the ground because a large group walked into it and it fell over. If you want to see that I can add it, but it's not very exciting. And it won't be for a while because I'm leaving to Europe for two months.
The whole footage is an hour, but the media were only interested in 30 minutes of it. And they only used the parts where people were getting shot.
when the "shame on you" video ends you are past the intersection.. then in this video starts you are next to the cops again.. I will give you the benifit of the doubt and say that maybe you didn't see them thrown but I think we both know the truth. Your agenda here is to show the cops in a bad light and your side as the lovable hippies you are so of course the parts that you don't post are after the first "attack" by the cops when your guys are shoving at the cops trying to break the line
"We both know the truth"? That's not a truthful statement.
Actually, it seems no matter what I might post you will give the cops the benefit of the doubt, not me. I didn't have an "agenda" while filming. But I have an agenda now because I believe the police lied about this, and they need to be exposed for that.
There's a trial next month to discover whether things like barricades were thrown. Police have footage they will try to use in court. But none of it will show a young hippy throwing a barricade at them. And that's because it never happened. So who would you doubt then? And also, none of the police reports I've read include thrown barricades. If a particular officer will testify that he saw that, he needs to speak out, and he needs some kind of evidence.
Okay, so if someone threw explosive poison gas at you, would you just take a big old deep breath, or would you get it as far away from you as possible?
The officer in the video said the barricade's were thrown before they sat down blocking the street the video that is supposed to prove the officer wrong starts after they are sitting bocking the road so it doesn't prove him right or wrong. Also you can here plenty of hero's mouthing off the police and just being douchebags plus you do hear the warnings
What really gets me is the spirit of the whole thing. It was like the protesters were in the arrest me mode. Flood the jails. Make the cops work for their money. Instead the cops take no prisoners. The prisoners they did get I am sure got lumped up. The cops broke the rules of nonviolent civil disobedience.
You are either a complete asshole or the worst propagandist ever paid to blog. They throw back the gas. No one argues with whether that happened. It is obvious as is to the reason why. They push it back to make the cops suffer some of the effects of their own poison gas.
I love how all you assholes like to see people get fucked up by the cops. Does it make your 14 year old balls rock hard? Imagine people getting pissed about an illegal war. I hope someday you have kids and the first time they stand up for what they believe in someone shots their eye out with a rubber bullet.
Uh 6:38/6:39 one of those liberal hippies picks up a barricade and goes to throw it.... he probably wasn't the first...Shame none of them got pelted with rubber bullets on the video.
And you are just retarded. They were already gased at 6:38. They picked up a baracade to push back the tear gas. You can not use something for justification if it is after the fact of what you are justifing. Go see your mom and slap the shit out of her. "Happy Mothers Day Mom You should have had an abortion."
Haha, they picked up a barricade to push back the tear gas....HAHA! You must be in some sort of parallel universe where arguments like "I didn't know I couldn't drink and drive" work too. I just said that since he's throwing barricades at 6:38/39 then I wouldn't be surprised if they did it before then too doofus. And man, using the barricade to "push back the tear gas" hhahaha, wow, never thought I'd hear that one...
Are you retarded or brain dead? In what sort of parallel universe can people be seated but also be picking up barracades and throwing them, doofus? Did you actually look at the video? They are justifying gassing the protesters based on them throwing barracades however as you point out no one touches the barracade until 6:38 a few seconds after they launched the gas. Get it yet? Your holding back the whole class.
You're still being dense enough to miss the point. If they threw barricades at ANY point during the video prior to or after launching the gas. One could be left with a REASONABLE suspicion that they threw them EARLIER. Just because this camera didn't catch them doing it doesn't mean they didn't. I still want to know how they used the barricade to "push back the tear gas.." I'm still laughing over that inane remark
I am dense. You can see the whole incident in a number of tapes easily available on youtube yet you pretend this is your only source of information. There is a lack of evidence that there was a reasonable suspicion of anyone throwing anything in any of the videos. It was being taped but the tape didnt see it but we can guess that it somehow happened anyway because of them pushing back the canisters of gas.
Well, I'm one of the people involved and we've spoken with the Tacoma Police by now and no one has stepped forward to say it actually happened... so it didn't happen.
Good since you were involved what was the pretense of this incident? I mean was this a part of the protest or was this just a bunch of young hippies without a ride out after the protest (which is what I assumed)? Also the video of mostly rubber bullets was before the incident of mostly gas? One of my degrees is in history. Just have some questions for prosperity. If you do not mind answering. Really I would like to build a 9/11 database of living witnesses. Pretty big job though.
I was listening to the 3.45 in the tape. I see a guy in a Darth Vader costume give the Army Infantry call then "Lets beat some of them protesters up".....(sergeant presumably)...."......we launched some gas we launched some CS and hopefully that will get them out.....".
You can clearly hear at 3.55 "Attention: this is the Tacoma Police department. You are ordered to Disperse immediately." If that's not clear enough, I don't know what is.
It sounded like an internal order to everyone I spoke to. You have to consider that you've had the opportunity to watch these videos and listen for that order. At the time the only words you would have heard standing where I was were "Tacoma Police Department".
Also, do you know what a shotgun mic is? It emphasizes sounds which are at a distance if you're pointing at them. I have a shotgun mic, and since I was pointing in that direction, you can hear it better than actually being there.
you said you couldnt hear the warning. i specifically heard him say "leave the premises" and something about trespassing. also as he started talking, they sang louder. so they did warn you to leave first..which you tried saying they didnt on another video.
Tear gas is a faily common crowd dispersal technique. They asked them to leave and then refused. If i had to choose between nightsticks or teargas, i'd take the gas. Did anybody get arrested?
Police need to give a clear order to disperse before they tear-gas people. You hear police say "This is the Tacoma Police" at 3:45 or so, but nobody had any clue what they said afterwards. This is not an exaggeration. The order was unintelligible.
Because they were singing/chanting! They're fault, they deserve a beat down for directly disobeying orders. If the Police or Military order you to do something, YOU DO IT. Don't want to? And this is what happens.
Good I am a soldier pull down your pants, bend over and grab your ankles. You know what we will do to you if you don't. You better obey orders. Uncle Tom is a better name for you.
You missed the rubber bullets earlier. And also I will be by your house tomorrow night around six with some tear-gas. I will bring a nightstick in case you change your mind. Grow up, I have been there and there are no heros when you are on the ground dieing. If we allow excessive force then it will only get worse and people will be dieing.
The video looks like a relatively peaceful protest with some people blocking a highway or something. Was this on a highway or on private property or something?
I did hear the police saying something about disbursing and nobody listening. Are those rubber bullet machine guns? Not sure about legality of action here.
This protest took place on an empty, public street. We saw two or three semi-trucks over the course of an hour.
Yes, no one else heard the police make the disperse order either. And yes, those are automatic-fire large bore rubber bullet weapons. Dozens of people were shot in the head by these weapons.
I'm glad to see the protests, Hurray Tacoma. You must use your wits, when you deal with the stormtroopers. On Monday, there is a nationwide boycott, which we shut down every highway, bridge, capitol in the US.
Why did the police lie. Obviously there were no barriers thrown. More police state folks. Remember Ohio. It could happen again. Power to the people. A revolution is a comin.
I'm glad you posted this. It shows the cops followed the book. A dispersal order was given. Adequate time was give for the protesters to disperse. They did not. Necessary force was used. BY THE BOOK.
fuck off man!!! fuck the popo!!! the had no reason to fire fuckin tear gas canisters at teenagers!! your thr mother fuckin fagg! what the fuck is wrong with you bitches? mostly you chrisshwada. and rubber bullets? that is just fuckin wrong! FUCK THE POLICE!!! (A)
Well...when the police first order the dispersal of the crowd the crowd responds by starting to sing. So no one can claim 'Oh well, we didnt hear it' Of course you didnt hear it, you chose not to hear it by drowing out the police by singing. Once the police have given the order to disperse it is up to the crowd to peacefully leave otherwise the police can use whatever means to break them up especially when protestors are organizing people to sit down in the face of police orders.
I heard pretty clearly a number of times to "peaceably" disperce. For people who are chanting about peace, you'd think that they would leave that way. They deserved what they got. All that yelling and profanity doesn't sound "peaceful" to me. Typical.
theres broken barricades on the ground, the protesters blocked the street, and the police dispersed the crowd. Thats what the video shows, and that's what the police said what happened. This video doesnt disprove anything, it just shows what happened between barricades being broken and tear gas being launched. Cops did the right thing.
Funny, that woman is the angriest peaceful person I've ever seen. If you show yourself to be aggressive, how would you expect to be treated: as an aggressive person.
If you block a street and police have the legal right to ask you to move and you don't, they'll tell you. If you're still too dumb to move, they'll move you. It's not difficult to figure out, simple law and order.
well as long as people have the power of choice pigs will stay corrupt its there word over yours it happens over here in WA all the time but its good to see that they were proven wrong
some protestors were singing "give peace a chance" whilst others, especially a big mouth woman was just taunting and abusing officers constantly. What sort of message are you trying to send. thats its totally ok to abuse and taunt police (and make comments about there children). Yeah thats a loving and peaceful approach. Perhaps if you just protested and got rid of the big mouthed idiots it might not have turned out this way.
Thankyou for this video . These youth are the creme de la creme of our nation and need a medal for doing such a noble, altruistic service. While the rest of the people their age are roaming in the malls, looking for the next romance, these folks have sacrificed their precious time, energy, money to stand up for their principles ! Hats OFF to them ! I would gladly put my children in their place !
I am a total peace lover,and I worship our right to protest, but for heavens sake, I wish they would pick a new song besides John Lennons "give peace a chance", pleace!! I wanted to shut them up somehow.
I suggest a good rap song, Like TIMZ "Iraq". Cops will be less stressed, who can listen to that off key crap with no flow.
haha i find it funny that the protesters always blurt out "your murdering bastards" exspecting the police to go "yeh ur right go on through", then need to understand the police are paied to inforce the law and if u break it then they will act on it, there not paied however to listen to your, over opinionated ramblings ^.^
it was 4 in the morning and i was a little drunk, so exscuse me if my spelling isent perfect also im not a redneck, i just dont beleive that sitting down shouting abuse to police is the solution to anything.
thats not really the point i was making was it overmind, im not saying the police are right in there actions im saying that theres a better way to deal with them.
At 3:40 the officers say that the protestors need to leave or they will be charged with criminal trespass. This would mean that they are on private property. That would be agains the law. Or am I missinterpreting that. Maybe the THX speakers can help me on that one.
Well, there are some barricades on the ground, implying that SOMEONE moved them. Plus you hear something get thrown or dropped at approx. 2:00 and again about 18 seconds later and AGAIN at approx. 3:49.
I think the worse thing about this was that this wasnt in the national media :( No matter what ones opinion is about who was right and wrong, this event was definitely news worthy. I wish I knew about this eailier, thank God for the internet.
Or possibly they had to clear the streets and decided tear gas was the best way to do it? Works better then battoning everyone to the ground and then dealing with every single person on the planet screaming "police state."
I am glad to officers dispersed the crowd. Blocking the streets isn't legal. As I recall you shouldn't be allowed to just swear and harrass officers either. Nor should you be allowed to threaten their families like you hear several protestors do. I also hear warnings to disperse several times in this video. But of course you don't hear the poster discussing this. Thanks to the police for clearling the street as I was on my way to work.
"Threatening officers families" well my THX certified Logictech speakers can't pick it up-maybe help us out with what you heard being said and when it occurs as shown on the video progress meter e.g: 2.47, 2.52. I mean your not lying, right so please be specific.
that is right they swore to God to protect your right to say that, often they just need to remember the oath they gave... it is a shame so many lie about believing in God just to get a job though.
No they swear to the constitution first because it is the supreme law of the land. Look at your dollar or any court hearing what is it you see? The Holy BiBle BOY!
They swear on the constitution of the state and country.
"I swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of Washington and support the Constitution and laws thereof; and that I will, to the best of my skill and judgment diligently and faithfully, without partiality or prejudice, execute the office of police officer according to the Constitution and laws of this State."
and how many warnings did the protestors have before tear gas was used? if they really wanna be heard withe their anti-war protest then why don't they address congress or schedule a legal and peaceful protest?
i love how one person makes a home video and people think they see evrry part of the protest and every min of it. u block the streets u get told to disperse and u dont you get gassed. Fact of life....build a bridge and get over it. those strykers they where trying to block are my units. next time how about you dont protest the equipment that will save me and my soldiers life?
cpljimbo, your unit, presuming you're in one, will only truly be safe when it returns home from this unjust war. The mainstream media, (King5) was happy to use small excerpts from the "home video" you simply reject. And there are several films in fact. You then criticize actions depicted in this footage as if you do accept it IS a valid account of events. Police footage is unavailable. Cops overreacted and lied about why.
right- and you are fighting for our right to protest- and yes to block the streets if we want to. I've been in the military as well- you have nothing to say based on your job. You're opinion you have a right to, but no credit is given to you because you joined the military. They didn't need to use gas- they could have arrested them. This is overkill without any doubt.
Thanks djpresidente for clarifying the protesters voting choices don't affect how "credible" you find the protest. I agree that the voting habits of the protesters don't matter. The stupid invasion and occupation of Iraq is what "credibly" matters, hence the protest. There are so many anti-Iraq war Americans now many have to be Republicans.
My politics are not Democratic. I don't like voting democrat, because I believe they're just as bad the Republican Party in most respects.
I believe in individual freedom, limited government, freemarkets, and peace. I consider myself a libertarian. And I also take first amendment rights very seriously.
i'm sorry - i'm a fierce independent, and it angers me when people use party lines. i see political parties as a whole as the cause of our nations problems. and every person who affiliates with a major political party is just as much a perpetrator as the politicians themselves. it's a screwed up idea, i know.
perhaps i reacted to strongly, but it is important to get which ammendment is in question correct.
You brought up the misleading dichotomy about Democrats/Republicans earlier so I thought I'd clarify that my ideology is best described as "left-libertarian".
Well the true content of the Constitution and amendments is extremely important, being a foundation of the American legal and political system. George the Second said he thinks it's just a piece of paper. Do all fierce independents scorn minor parties as well?
i can't speak for all independents (after all, we have no party), but i honestly think minor parties are a good thing. if the country ran how i wanted it do, all there would be is minor parties.
..."i honestly think minor parties are a good thing." So do I, but I think it would require electoral reform for them to function effectively. Don't want to veer of topic though. Is this being discussed elsewhere on Youtube?
i know it would take political reform. but this is off topic.
i did a little more reading on the news regarding the port protest, and i think it's not so cut-and-dry. police footage won't come out until a complaint is filed. why don't you try going through the legal system before you start making claims about a "police state." pretty funny, considering the reputation of the seattle/tacoma area. you do run the political system of the state. vancouver isn't too happy with our government.
I for one didn't say there was a police state. I have run an argument there shouldn't be one, that the US should be better than Cambodia, China or Cuba. In Tacoma in this instance I believe the cops overreacted and lied about why. We'll see what happens with complaints. I think everyone here is very keen to see the police footage!
it just goes to show you that people will go to any extend to to deny what goes against what they wish to believe. the mere fact that anyone can even slightly justify, and not be horrified, by a group of armed government paid men and women, firing upon and gassing a crowd of unarmed civilians using their first amendment right that..as one individual tried to use below..is supposed to be DEFENDED by soldiers overseas, is a telling sign of the state of our country.
the first ammendment is freedom of speech. the ammendment in question here is freedom of assembly. "violation of first ammendment rights" is little more than a party line that the democrats use to complain and the republicans complain about b/c they get all pissy when people burn flags. the cops acted not b/c of what the people were saying but b/c of what they were doing, which apparently was violent (who really knows?).
violation of first amendment rights is a human rights issue..i don't think what happened here has anything to do with party lines, and i think we all better get off that and acknowledge as human beings what happened here. there is NO justification here. all of the people shown in this footage were acting nonviolently, and most were standing still or sitting. The only people who can justify this MUST be people who ARE using party lines.
sweetsacrifice, you really don't understand the bill of rights, do you? yes, human rights may have been violated in this case, but the question is more, "were constitutional rights violated?" namely, did the police violate the protesters' rights to assemble, or were the protesters causing disorder and breaking the law? if the first ammendment were in question, the police would have told the protesters to shut up, not to disperse.
Here are the facts, and I'm being as truthful as possible:
Some barricades (about 3 or 4) were knocked over 14 minutes before this video was shot, when protesters advanced beyond the barricades, knocking some over somewhat nonchalantly. One protester kicked about two barricades over.
But, and this is crucial, no one THREW barricades.
The real reason the police tear gassed and shot at you is because pf your shitty singing
nycwiseguy91 2 years ago
Isn't this the same police department that had the guy that shot and killed his wife and then killed himseld?
JenniferSwygert 2 years ago
Yes.
Liface 2 years ago
There were more police than protesters? Seriously, what were the protesters gonna try against a force that big? Its pretty damn obvious it was a peaceful protest, its like the police just got bored so decided to disperse it.
pstring21 3 years ago 4
Fucking pigs. Hate them, hate them all.
klax89 3 years ago
It doesn't matter if people throw barricades at the police, they act as if they going for peace yet I see and hear a number of them screaming obscenities at the police, as well as blocking a public road? That is not the smartest idea to do, and what exactly happens when a protest or riot breaks out? You get smacked in the face by the long arm of the law. Go back to your board rooms and meetings to figure out how to protest correctly.
LakayiaDemonwolf 3 years ago
There's one lady yelling obscenities, and it only lasts for like a few moments before she finally shut up. The Supreme Court case Hague v. CIO ruled that public streets and sidewalks are common place for people to gather in protest, thus safe for protesting (even if they block it). The exception would be in the cases of a private roads, emergency routes during emergency, etc. Basically: The police had no good reason to break up the protest other than to break up the protest.
DoSomething27 3 years ago
DoSomething is correct, from the 3 videos I watched on here I can see no reason for the Tacoma Police to act in the manner they did. Public Safety could gain a HUGE amount of good PR if they would appoint a liaison in these protests to work WITH the protest to ensure that the protesters can have their say, and that the situations don't escalate into an US vs THEM situation. This scenario absolutely didn't have to happen.
jbailey618 2 years ago 2
police abuse us, as does the government.
whats new?
popcorn90 3 years ago
At ~3:25 a cop comes on the loudspeaker and tells them to disperse or face charges of "criminal trespass". Again at ~4:00. Again at 5:30 with a "final warning." These protestors were told to move by police, and they didn't. Thus, they faced the consequences. Actions have consequences in real life, apprently leech-on-society hippies don't understand this concept. They got what they deserved. If a police officer gives you an order, especially in a high-tension situation, you follow it.
Lawyer666 3 years ago
As a Veteran and son of a retired officer you are taught to question authority even as an officer. If it's a peaceful non-violent protest then officers have no right to use any type of force until deemed necessary. Our civil liberties protects us to have protests so long as it is not a threat to society in which these nice people were not showing any type of threat. I have fought police corruption many times on a personal level. I know my rights, these kids have the right to protest. Molon Labe!
FireZeus 3 years ago
The reason you dont see it is becasue it didnt happen. The officer LIED. Looked in the camera and lied. HE should be dragged out of the station, stripped down, and caned on Pacific Ave.
illumin888 3 years ago 3
what has this country come to when u make peaceful change impossible u make violent change inevitable
standingup4all 3 years ago
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Silly, Silly hippies
kwiley918 3 years ago
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who cares fucking protestors should be shot anyway
fucking losers just trying to get on tv
gabrielbelmont 3 years ago
LoL you're the one protesting you fucking moron
FireZeus 3 years ago
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to everyone saying "I HATE COPS", spend some time trying to help an ungrateful populace that tries to thwart you at every turn, and THEN come back feeling like "giving peace a chance". seriously, at the end of a day filled with pissy civilians who hate your guts but STILL seem to want you to cater to their every whim, no one wants to have to deal with scores of protesters singing at them. they just wanted the job to be over with. the reaction was a little extreme, but hardly unprovoked.
WTFA54 3 years ago
i accidently gave u a thumbs up. it should have been a thumbs down.
hardly unprovoked...? singing peace songs is provoking....?your post is a very good example i will say of how the police man/women is now looking at those who pay their salaries.
shall we surrender to this police state?
i am 56 years old and i am ashamed of how we allowed our country to get to this state.
if u care Not for 'we the people' then who is it u Do care for?
marysez 3 years ago
refusing to cooperate with the police inevitably leads to police action. but i wasn't saying that the protesters alone provoked such an extreme reaction, i'm saying that years of working in a thankless job for a meager salary gives many officers a relatively short fuse and while what they did was extreme, i can see where they're coming from. the biased mentality of instantly condemning one side without trying to understand them is what causes situations like these because it fosters hate.
WTFA54 3 years ago
The officers were refusing to Cooperate with the Constitution and Bill of Rights. When this happens, a citizen has not only the right but the DUTY to uphold it. Especially against its oppressors. American Constitution > Everything Else. Molon Labe!
FireZeus 3 years ago
i'm not a civilian. I'm a free person. You police don't occupy me or my neighborhood. your the agitators.
wait887 3 years ago
I don't think it's a true or false situation. Maybe barricades WERE thrown, but AFTER the police began to fire. For instance, at 6:39 after the police began firing, we see a protestor picking up a barricade and disappear into the fog. So, while barricades may have been thrown, it was the PD's best justification for their actions.
McConsumer 3 years ago
agree
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gtdj 3 years ago
Nope, no barricades thrown were recorded by this camera, although there were several interesting thumps and collapsed barricades can be seen afterwards.
However, the protestors were illegal blocking property (federal property, if I heard the megaphone right) and given several orders to disperse. They obviously had no intent to do so (sitting down). Therefore they were dispersed with force.
Also, Police State guy? Shut up. In a police state there would be no warnings, and real bullets.
LBaeldeth 3 years ago
amen reverend
SDdynasty1 3 years ago
erm. big crowd. middle of street. do what the police say?
it's a protest. they get issues noticed by taking something away from people.
in fact, the police being heavy handed is counter intuitive. they bring the issue out straight. so protestors shouldn't complain. in fact. get shot!
it's better for your cause! and give's me lol's!
lavalor 3 years ago 3
As all protesters should keep in mind: Your rights end when anothers begins.
Fuck the Police.
epohnopulse 3 years ago
Welcome to the Police States of America.
johnPhilos 4 years ago
i just want to say that there where no baracades thrown but if you look after they fire the tear gas a guy picks up a baracade please look over this video please answer my comment
dnt get me wrong i am all for peace!
urpop8 4 years ago
That's true. But that would be an ex post facto justification.
Acumensch 4 years ago
very true
urpop8 3 years ago
protest never solves anything so why waste ppls time
TQXPreturns 4 years ago
It's funny. The POLICE are always allowed to block the street.
mmgg33 4 years ago 2
No barricades were thrown, but you guys were still standing/sitting in the street. Then again, so were the police, and I did not hear any of them tell you guys to move. I live in Tacoma. Disappointing.
Dutty4u2 4 years ago
Are you hearing impaired? They tell them to move at approximately 3:40 in the video with a bull horn. Then they start singing louder. The police warn them again with the bull horn. Then I hear them get warned again and they respond by sitting down. Then instead of leaving after the tear gas is launched they throw it back at the police.(side note..while I did not see the barricade being thrown there was one laying near one of the officers feet. Don't know how it got there.
rothock 4 years ago
Thats stupid. Man I hate cops.
leptoon 4 years ago
fuck the police, but a protest should have one mind, a little solidarity, otherwise you get a senseless mob that is fueled by emotion and not principle - emotional protest is inherently violent. Peaceful protest does not involve taunts (ie. verbal escalation).
somebody should've shut that fat siren in the front up.
JohnnyMarrsTravolta 4 years ago 3
God damned fascists. These fascists are unamerican traitors who probably think that serving the fascist State will some how win them rewards in their Christian heaven.
AngryNotSoOldHippy 4 years ago 2
what was the protest about anyway? looked like a small crowd versus a whole precinct of cops. And there should be more cameras showing the same thing from different angles to prove this point.
gregtestagent 4 years ago
The mainstream media left earlier in the evening. This was about 2:00 am on a Friday night. The protest was against the surge plan, which is using our local ports to ship military equipment to Iraq before troops arrive in Iraq to use it.
Acumensch 4 years ago
So... You want our soldiers to be unequipped?
Oh, ok.
MTJN20 4 years ago
Soldiers don't deploy unless their equipment is deployed first. It's not a question about whether they're unequipped, but whether they should be there in the first place.
Acumensch 4 years ago
And this is how they get their point across? I don't understand how that gives the protesters the right to sit in the street blocking property. After warning after warning they needed to be moved more forcefully.
MTJN20 4 years ago
How do you get your point across?
Acumensch 4 years ago
The old folks should beat the copes with their canes.
johnPhilos 4 years ago
I'm not a pro on protests but from the amount that ive watched i can tell (pretty consecutively) that when the POlice tell u to move and u don't, THey'll move ye
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webgirl37 4 years ago
Being called a "hippie" is not an insult! Its a compliment! Thank you!
tortugaworld 4 years ago
It doesn't matter. The simple fact is that even barriers being thrown does not justify the attack on so many peaceful protestors due to the actions of a few. These people aren't enemy combatants (prior to GW) they are just making a point. The point is clear. These are the same police that will shut you up when you speak your mind, regardless of what you believe. So, think about what you're saying when you say you'd "off" somebody. They'll say the same thing when they "off" you.
dbryceman 4 years ago
Thats some funny shit. Way to show only one side of the street. Everything started from the other side.
kingnateh2o 4 years ago
Hear the mouth on that broad? God to hear her all day, I would have off her
Michaelbos 4 years ago
the barricades were TIPPED OVER prior to when this video begins,i imagine had we picked them up and thrown them they would have responded quicker and harsher. also they ordered us to "disperse or you'll be ARRESTED" not disperse or "we'll fuck you all up with CHEMICAL WEAPONS" by the way isnt everyone supposed to hate Sadam cause he used chemical weapons on his own people?
iacoly07 4 years ago
its interesting how after the tear gas was fired, although it is difficult to tell, it seems no one threw them back at the cops, who then proceeded to open fire anyway.
burntbrowniez 4 years ago
what are they just normal police in riot gear or special riot teams assigned here...?
hyperabbit 4 years ago
No matter what the video shows, the same people always give the police the benefit of the doubt over protestors. Even if they were throwing the barricades, which I personally see no evidence of, thats not a reason for tear gas and rubber bullets. You act as if cops never use unnecesary force, though its been proven time and time again that there are plenty of cases where they do. No matter the situation you have the same response "Haha stupid hippies". Try a logical argument for change
thedeevolution 4 years ago
Welcome to the police state. Don't let these bastards have cameras in our streets. Don't let them have our DNA. Don't let them have our fingerprints. Don't let them do their own oversight. Every person who would dress up in riot gear and tear gas peaceful protesters has no moral conscious in my opinion.
NoFaithTheist 4 years ago
Conveniently, the riot kooks already had their gas masks in place, as if the decision to fire gas cannisters was already pre-determined.
exercisephysio 4 years ago 2
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"
Habeas Corpus says that's constitutionally bullshit.
karmavirus 4 years ago
time for every police officer to start questioning their authority.
unfortunatly they are told not to.
spawnfree 4 years ago
I really wish people could protest without calling others fascists....it's very cliche. And what's with the rude girl yelling at the police, they're only doing their job. Get off your high horse and forget this holier than thou attitude, it's tiring.
As OSMPWR said, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence".
If no chair was thrown, were the cops wrong? Yes. But in crowded hectic situations like that (especially with the girl yelling in their faces) mistakes happen.
foulplay2 4 years ago
Not necessarily! You could have the police ring much broader, you could intervene when damage was done and not an the glimpse of a moment. How do you think they keep things in order duriing big festivals and those guys not even have the man-power nor the gadgets that the police has...
moddy82 4 years ago
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence
OSMPWR 4 years ago
The right to protest is one of our civil rights. Those people had every right to be there, even if you don't agree as to why. This is abuse of power
Jmuduke 4 years ago
not on private property you dont, they were warned to leave or be arrested for trespassing.
FrightYard 4 years ago
well you can see that saw horses on the ground in fron of the police... why don't you post the whole video un cut. I have seen what led up to the "sit in" then a break and then this part. Nice editing hippy. I only wish this was a police state then we could use something more efective against you than tear gas and rubber bullets.
Sgt. Knuckles
leedo2502 4 years ago
The whole video is almost an hour long. I'm waiting to get the police videos so I can compare them. You say I "cut" or "edited" this video? Where. This whole video is uncut, and it's one long sequence.
Your statement "I wish this was a police state...so we could..." undermines your credibility. On the other hand, as a fascist you don't really have credibility in the first place. People like you don't need justice because you don't care about it to begin with.
Acumensch 4 years ago
What I am refering to the breaks in the videos you posted. In the video that you say is 2 minutes before the "give peace a chance" video the hippies are scuffiling with the cops near the saw horses that were thrown... we see it standing and then in this video it is laying on the ground closer to the police, my guess it was thrown there like the cannisters of CS gas that you threw at the police.
leedo2502 4 years ago
also you state in another video that you handed over 30 minutes of footage yet here you say that you whole footage is an hour?
leedo2502 4 years ago
What "breaks" in the video. This video ends where "Give Peace A Chance" begins.
That barricade is on the ground because a large group walked into it and it fell over. If you want to see that I can add it, but it's not very exciting. And it won't be for a while because I'm leaving to Europe for two months.
The whole footage is an hour, but the media were only interested in 30 minutes of it. And they only used the parts where people were getting shot.
Acumensch 4 years ago
when the "shame on you" video ends you are past the intersection.. then in this video starts you are next to the cops again.. I will give you the benifit of the doubt and say that maybe you didn't see them thrown but I think we both know the truth. Your agenda here is to show the cops in a bad light and your side as the lovable hippies you are so of course the parts that you don't post are after the first "attack" by the cops when your guys are shoving at the cops trying to break the line
leedo2502 4 years ago
"We both know the truth"? That's not a truthful statement.
Actually, it seems no matter what I might post you will give the cops the benefit of the doubt, not me. I didn't have an "agenda" while filming. But I have an agenda now because I believe the police lied about this, and they need to be exposed for that.
Acumensch 4 years ago
There's a trial next month to discover whether things like barricades were thrown. Police have footage they will try to use in court. But none of it will show a young hippy throwing a barricade at them. And that's because it never happened. So who would you doubt then? And also, none of the police reports I've read include thrown barricades. If a particular officer will testify that he saw that, he needs to speak out, and he needs some kind of evidence.
Acumensch 4 years ago
Okay, so if someone threw explosive poison gas at you, would you just take a big old deep breath, or would you get it as far away from you as possible?
Cakbug 4 years ago
The officer in the video said the barricade's were thrown before they sat down blocking the street the video that is supposed to prove the officer wrong starts after they are sitting bocking the road so it doesn't prove him right or wrong. Also you can here plenty of hero's mouthing off the police and just being douchebags plus you do hear the warnings
krustygsh 4 years ago
the police are liars... liars with guns.
beatsforthemind 4 years ago
What really gets me is the spirit of the whole thing. It was like the protesters were in the arrest me mode. Flood the jails. Make the cops work for their money. Instead the cops take no prisoners. The prisoners they did get I am sure got lumped up. The cops broke the rules of nonviolent civil disobedience.
magira66 4 years ago
You are either a complete asshole or the worst propagandist ever paid to blog. They throw back the gas. No one argues with whether that happened. It is obvious as is to the reason why. They push it back to make the cops suffer some of the effects of their own poison gas.
magira66 4 years ago
I love how all you assholes like to see people get fucked up by the cops. Does it make your 14 year old balls rock hard? Imagine people getting pissed about an illegal war. I hope someday you have kids and the first time they stand up for what they believe in someone shots their eye out with a rubber bullet.
magira66 4 years ago
Uh 6:38/6:39 one of those liberal hippies picks up a barricade and goes to throw it.... he probably wasn't the first...Shame none of them got pelted with rubber bullets on the video.
lbarinov 4 years ago
And you are just retarded. They were already gased at 6:38. They picked up a baracade to push back the tear gas. You can not use something for justification if it is after the fact of what you are justifing. Go see your mom and slap the shit out of her. "Happy Mothers Day Mom You should have had an abortion."
magira66 4 years ago
Haha, they picked up a barricade to push back the tear gas....HAHA! You must be in some sort of parallel universe where arguments like "I didn't know I couldn't drink and drive" work too. I just said that since he's throwing barricades at 6:38/39 then I wouldn't be surprised if they did it before then too doofus. And man, using the barricade to "push back the tear gas" hhahaha, wow, never thought I'd hear that one...
lbarinov 4 years ago
Are you retarded or brain dead? In what sort of parallel universe can people be seated but also be picking up barracades and throwing them, doofus? Did you actually look at the video? They are justifying gassing the protesters based on them throwing barracades however as you point out no one touches the barracade until 6:38 a few seconds after they launched the gas. Get it yet? Your holding back the whole class.
magira66 4 years ago
You're still being dense enough to miss the point. If they threw barricades at ANY point during the video prior to or after launching the gas. One could be left with a REASONABLE suspicion that they threw them EARLIER. Just because this camera didn't catch them doing it doesn't mean they didn't. I still want to know how they used the barricade to "push back the tear gas.." I'm still laughing over that inane remark
lbarinov 4 years ago
I am dense. You can see the whole incident in a number of tapes easily available on youtube yet you pretend this is your only source of information. There is a lack of evidence that there was a reasonable suspicion of anyone throwing anything in any of the videos. It was being taped but the tape didnt see it but we can guess that it somehow happened anyway because of them pushing back the canisters of gas.
magira66 4 years ago
Well, I'm one of the people involved and we've spoken with the Tacoma Police by now and no one has stepped forward to say it actually happened... so it didn't happen.
Liface 4 years ago
Good since you were involved what was the pretense of this incident? I mean was this a part of the protest or was this just a bunch of young hippies without a ride out after the protest (which is what I assumed)? Also the video of mostly rubber bullets was before the incident of mostly gas? One of my degrees is in history. Just have some questions for prosperity. If you do not mind answering. Really I would like to build a 9/11 database of living witnesses. Pretty big job though.
magira66 4 years ago
I was listening to the 3.45 in the tape. I see a guy in a Darth Vader costume give the Army Infantry call then "Lets beat some of them protesters up".....(sergeant presumably)...."......we launched some gas we launched some CS and hopefully that will get them out.....".
magira66 4 years ago
You can clearly hear at 3.55 "Attention: this is the Tacoma Police department. You are ordered to Disperse immediately." If that's not clear enough, I don't know what is.
rainmaker87UIC 4 years ago
It sounded like an internal order to everyone I spoke to. You have to consider that you've had the opportunity to watch these videos and listen for that order. At the time the only words you would have heard standing where I was were "Tacoma Police Department".
Also, do you know what a shotgun mic is? It emphasizes sounds which are at a distance if you're pointing at them. I have a shotgun mic, and since I was pointing in that direction, you can hear it better than actually being there.
Acumensch 4 years ago
you said you couldnt hear the warning. i specifically heard him say "leave the premises" and something about trespassing. also as he started talking, they sang louder. so they did warn you to leave first..which you tried saying they didnt on another video.
coolguy567890 4 years ago
Tear gas is a faily common crowd dispersal technique. They asked them to leave and then refused. If i had to choose between nightsticks or teargas, i'd take the gas. Did anybody get arrested?
medmark 4 years ago
Police need to give a clear order to disperse before they tear-gas people. You hear police say "This is the Tacoma Police" at 3:45 or so, but nobody had any clue what they said afterwards. This is not an exaggeration. The order was unintelligible.
Acumensch 4 years ago
Because they were singing/chanting! They're fault, they deserve a beat down for directly disobeying orders. If the Police or Military order you to do something, YOU DO IT. Don't want to? And this is what happens.
IceTTom 4 years ago
Good I am a soldier pull down your pants, bend over and grab your ankles. You know what we will do to you if you don't. You better obey orders. Uncle Tom is a better name for you.
magira66 4 years ago
You missed the rubber bullets earlier. And also I will be by your house tomorrow night around six with some tear-gas. I will bring a nightstick in case you change your mind. Grow up, I have been there and there are no heros when you are on the ground dieing. If we allow excessive force then it will only get worse and people will be dieing.
magira66 4 years ago
look how violent they are
PoIlution 4 years ago
The video looks like a relatively peaceful protest with some people blocking a highway or something. Was this on a highway or on private property or something?
I did hear the police saying something about disbursing and nobody listening. Are those rubber bullet machine guns? Not sure about legality of action here.
dontTouchMyFknRadio 4 years ago
This protest took place on an empty, public street. We saw two or three semi-trucks over the course of an hour.
Yes, no one else heard the police make the disperse order either. And yes, those are automatic-fire large bore rubber bullet weapons. Dozens of people were shot in the head by these weapons.
Acumensch 4 years ago
They deserve it. I will protect myself there lucky real bullets weren't use
dumpit36 4 years ago
sabreblade69-- storm troopers is the name given to any militarized police force- the term was used originally to describe the Nazi SS.
ANd it's funny you bring up Star Wars-- It was written by Lucas as a parable about how Democracy can decay into fascism.
trichenosis 4 years ago
and i hope that mouthy bitch that wished death to their children got one in her ass too.
slickmatt82 4 years ago
werent they burning flags at some of these protests too. i'm glad they got their asses tear gassed. well all 30 of them.
slickmatt82 4 years ago
I'm glad to see the protests, Hurray Tacoma. You must use your wits, when you deal with the stormtroopers. On Monday, there is a nationwide boycott, which we shut down every highway, bridge, capitol in the US.
gingermax 4 years ago
Can you explain that a little more?
Acumensch 4 years ago
gingermax if the protestors only dealt with the stormtroopers, then theyre fucked when darth vader rocks up.
sabreblade69 4 years ago
Why did the police lie. Obviously there were no barriers thrown. More police state folks. Remember Ohio. It could happen again. Power to the people. A revolution is a comin.
MaryCollierxx 4 years ago
I'm glad you posted this. It shows the cops followed the book. A dispersal order was given. Adequate time was give for the protesters to disperse. They did not. Necessary force was used. BY THE BOOK.
sentry99 4 years ago
sentry99 - If a book tells him to do something, by God, he'll do it!
Liface 4 years ago
The book i refer to is the law. The police followed the law. Deal with it.
sentry99 4 years ago
fuck off man!!! fuck the popo!!! the had no reason to fire fuckin tear gas canisters at teenagers!! your thr mother fuckin fagg! what the fuck is wrong with you bitches? mostly you chrisshwada. and rubber bullets? that is just fuckin wrong! FUCK THE POLICE!!! (A)
cole131313 4 years ago
lol im glad these protesting fags got pwnt. Listen to the police next time fools
chrisshwada 4 years ago
Well...when the police first order the dispersal of the crowd the crowd responds by starting to sing. So no one can claim 'Oh well, we didnt hear it' Of course you didnt hear it, you chose not to hear it by drowing out the police by singing. Once the police have given the order to disperse it is up to the crowd to peacefully leave otherwise the police can use whatever means to break them up especially when protestors are organizing people to sit down in the face of police orders.
thegman1985 4 years ago
I heard pretty clearly a number of times to "peaceably" disperce. For people who are chanting about peace, you'd think that they would leave that way. They deserved what they got. All that yelling and profanity doesn't sound "peaceful" to me. Typical.
chcknhawk 4 years ago
all u fucking losers deserved what u got
samsung253 4 years ago
theres broken barricades on the ground, the protesters blocked the street, and the police dispersed the crowd. Thats what the video shows, and that's what the police said what happened. This video doesnt disprove anything, it just shows what happened between barricades being broken and tear gas being launched. Cops did the right thing.
BigStu73 4 years ago
Funny, that woman is the angriest peaceful person I've ever seen. If you show yourself to be aggressive, how would you expect to be treated: as an aggressive person.
If you block a street and police have the legal right to ask you to move and you don't, they'll tell you. If you're still too dumb to move, they'll move you. It's not difficult to figure out, simple law and order.
SlappHapy 4 years ago
well as long as people have the power of choice pigs will stay corrupt its there word over yours it happens over here in WA all the time but its good to see that they were proven wrong
rekn07 4 years ago
some protestors were singing "give peace a chance" whilst others, especially a big mouth woman was just taunting and abusing officers constantly. What sort of message are you trying to send. thats its totally ok to abuse and taunt police (and make comments about there children). Yeah thats a loving and peaceful approach. Perhaps if you just protested and got rid of the big mouthed idiots it might not have turned out this way.
sabreblade69 4 years ago
It is legal to taunt police (unfortunately). But I do agree the big mouth bitch needed to shut her fuckin mouth.
casmith245 4 years ago
I'd like to see 30 min before the tear gas. Why are there broken barricades on the ground?
gnflyingv67 4 years ago
Thankyou for this video . These youth are the creme de la creme of our nation and need a medal for doing such a noble, altruistic service. While the rest of the people their age are roaming in the malls, looking for the next romance, these folks have sacrificed their precious time, energy, money to stand up for their principles ! Hats OFF to them ! I would gladly put my children in their place !
ayub359 4 years ago
I am a total peace lover,and I worship our right to protest, but for heavens sake, I wish they would pick a new song besides John Lennons "give peace a chance", pleace!! I wanted to shut them up somehow.
I suggest a good rap song, Like TIMZ "Iraq". Cops will be less stressed, who can listen to that off key crap with no flow.
This is 2007 we need a new war protest song.
whigville 4 years ago
haha i find it funny that the protesters always blurt out "your murdering bastards" exspecting the police to go "yeh ur right go on through", then need to understand the police are paied to inforce the law and if u break it then they will act on it, there not paied however to listen to your, over opinionated ramblings ^.^
skarules111 4 years ago
check your spelling redneck...
cesarodrigues1 4 years ago
it was 4 in the morning and i was a little drunk, so exscuse me if my spelling isent perfect also im not a redneck, i just dont beleive that sitting down shouting abuse to police is the solution to anything.
skarules111 4 years ago
Your a dumbfuck ska. The US was never suppose to be a fucking police state.
overmind25 4 years ago
thats not really the point i was making was it overmind, im not saying the police are right in there actions im saying that theres a better way to deal with them.
skarules111 4 years ago
you're totally right
CapEmCrunch24 4 years ago
At 3:40 the officers say that the protestors need to leave or they will be charged with criminal trespass. This would mean that they are on private property. That would be agains the law. Or am I missinterpreting that. Maybe the THX speakers can help me on that one.
rugby32 4 years ago
Well, there are some barricades on the ground, implying that SOMEONE moved them. Plus you hear something get thrown or dropped at approx. 2:00 and again about 18 seconds later and AGAIN at approx. 3:49.
smiledammit24 4 years ago
I think the worse thing about this was that this wasnt in the national media :( No matter what ones opinion is about who was right and wrong, this event was definitely news worthy. I wish I knew about this eailier, thank God for the internet.
JoelNesv 4 years ago
Or possibly they had to clear the streets and decided tear gas was the best way to do it? Works better then battoning everyone to the ground and then dealing with every single person on the planet screaming "police state."
rockincj 4 years ago
i saw one guy pick up a barricade, but it was well after the police started firing tear gas.
saylrp 4 years ago
I am glad to officers dispersed the crowd. Blocking the streets isn't legal. As I recall you shouldn't be allowed to just swear and harrass officers either. Nor should you be allowed to threaten their families like you hear several protestors do. I also hear warnings to disperse several times in this video. But of course you don't hear the poster discussing this. Thanks to the police for clearling the street as I was on my way to work.
rugby32 4 years ago
Were you on your way to work in a blocked off street at the Port of Tacoma? I doubt it.
The officers had no reason to clear the streets.
Liface 4 years ago
"Threatening officers families" well my THX certified Logictech speakers can't pick it up-maybe help us out with what you heard being said and when it occurs as shown on the video progress meter e.g: 2.47, 2.52. I mean your not lying, right so please be specific.
queny2 4 years ago
It is not illegal to call officers names (i.e. fucking pig, facist, ass, ect)But threatening is illegal.
casmith245 4 years ago
that is right they swore to God to protect your right to say that, often they just need to remember the oath they gave... it is a shame so many lie about believing in God just to get a job though.
stoniez 4 years ago
There are officers of all religions, they swear an oath to the state not to God.
casmith245 4 years ago
I'm not sure which one is scarier....
lostsailor79 4 years ago
The one that exists.
casmith245 4 years ago
No they swear to the constitution first because it is the supreme law of the land. Look at your dollar or any court hearing what is it you see? The Holy BiBle BOY!
stoniez 3 years ago
They swear on the constitution of the state and country.
"I swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the State of Washington and support the Constitution and laws thereof; and that I will, to the best of my skill and judgment diligently and faithfully, without partiality or prejudice, execute the office of police officer according to the Constitution and laws of this State."
No God mentioned Preacher.
casmith245 3 years ago
and how many warnings did the protestors have before tear gas was used? if they really wanna be heard withe their anti-war protest then why don't they address congress or schedule a legal and peaceful protest?
drummerdood21 4 years ago
i would of thrown tear gas at them too
zax11x9 4 years ago
Ok, so we're living in a police state. Repeat after me, "They hate our freedom. They hate our freedom." There, I feel better already!
oyarsu 4 years ago
wow- great analogy. :)
PeopleFor911Justice 4 years ago
protesters got pwned hard lol
CrimsonBlackhawk 4 years ago
Ha ha. very funny. why don't you take the fact that this is unruly, unjust police brutality into account and get a life of something?
lambofrock 4 years ago
i love how one person makes a home video and people think they see evrry part of the protest and every min of it. u block the streets u get told to disperse and u dont you get gassed. Fact of life....build a bridge and get over it. those strykers they where trying to block are my units. next time how about you dont protest the equipment that will save me and my soldiers life?
cpljimbo 4 years ago
cpljimbo, your unit, presuming you're in one, will only truly be safe when it returns home from this unjust war. The mainstream media, (King5) was happy to use small excerpts from the "home video" you simply reject. And there are several films in fact. You then criticize actions depicted in this footage as if you do accept it IS a valid account of events. Police footage is unavailable. Cops overreacted and lied about why.
queny2 4 years ago
right- and you are fighting for our right to protest- and yes to block the streets if we want to. I've been in the military as well- you have nothing to say based on your job. You're opinion you have a right to, but no credit is given to you because you joined the military. They didn't need to use gas- they could have arrested them. This is overkill without any doubt.
PeopleFor911Justice 4 years ago
great stuff! thanks for making this.. it explains all and only an idiot can argue with the facts caught on tape.
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brainphreak 4 years ago
Thanks djpresidente for clarifying the protesters voting choices don't affect how "credible" you find the protest. I agree that the voting habits of the protesters don't matter. The stupid invasion and occupation of Iraq is what "credibly" matters, hence the protest. There are so many anti-Iraq war Americans now many have to be Republicans.
queny2 4 years ago
I guess we are living in a police state.
bulkeater 4 years ago
Ummm Fuck the corporate media.
Corporate media lies?
MichaelCavlan 4 years ago
djpresidente,
My politics are not Democratic. I don't like voting democrat, because I believe they're just as bad the Republican Party in most respects.
I believe in individual freedom, limited government, freemarkets, and peace. I consider myself a libertarian. And I also take first amendment rights very seriously.
Acumensch 4 years ago
i'm sorry - i'm a fierce independent, and it angers me when people use party lines. i see political parties as a whole as the cause of our nations problems. and every person who affiliates with a major political party is just as much a perpetrator as the politicians themselves. it's a screwed up idea, i know.
perhaps i reacted to strongly, but it is important to get which ammendment is in question correct.
djpresidente 4 years ago
You brought up the misleading dichotomy about Democrats/Republicans earlier so I thought I'd clarify that my ideology is best described as "left-libertarian".
Acumensch 4 years ago
i'm glad you did. it helps to see that someone from a minor party was leading this campaign - makes it more credible.
djpresidente 4 years ago
Well the true content of the Constitution and amendments is extremely important, being a foundation of the American legal and political system. George the Second said he thinks it's just a piece of paper. Do all fierce independents scorn minor parties as well?
queny2 4 years ago
i can't speak for all independents (after all, we have no party), but i honestly think minor parties are a good thing. if the country ran how i wanted it do, all there would be is minor parties.
djpresidente 4 years ago
..."i honestly think minor parties are a good thing." So do I, but I think it would require electoral reform for them to function effectively. Don't want to veer of topic though. Is this being discussed elsewhere on Youtube?
queny2 4 years ago
i know it would take political reform. but this is off topic.
i did a little more reading on the news regarding the port protest, and i think it's not so cut-and-dry. police footage won't come out until a complaint is filed. why don't you try going through the legal system before you start making claims about a "police state." pretty funny, considering the reputation of the seattle/tacoma area. you do run the political system of the state. vancouver isn't too happy with our government.
djpresidente 4 years ago
I for one didn't say there was a police state. I have run an argument there shouldn't be one, that the US should be better than Cambodia, China or Cuba. In Tacoma in this instance I believe the cops overreacted and lied about why. We'll see what happens with complaints. I think everyone here is very keen to see the police footage!
queny2 4 years ago
i'm sorry...i was referring to the discussion in general. other people have called this a police state. only the first line was meant to be a reply.
djpresidente 4 years ago
it just goes to show you that people will go to any extend to to deny what goes against what they wish to believe. the mere fact that anyone can even slightly justify, and not be horrified, by a group of armed government paid men and women, firing upon and gassing a crowd of unarmed civilians using their first amendment right that..as one individual tried to use below..is supposed to be DEFENDED by soldiers overseas, is a telling sign of the state of our country.
sweetsacrifice 4 years ago
the first ammendment is freedom of speech. the ammendment in question here is freedom of assembly. "violation of first ammendment rights" is little more than a party line that the democrats use to complain and the republicans complain about b/c they get all pissy when people burn flags. the cops acted not b/c of what the people were saying but b/c of what they were doing, which apparently was violent (who really knows?).
djpresidente 4 years ago
violation of first amendment rights is a human rights issue..i don't think what happened here has anything to do with party lines, and i think we all better get off that and acknowledge as human beings what happened here. there is NO justification here. all of the people shown in this footage were acting nonviolently, and most were standing still or sitting. The only people who can justify this MUST be people who ARE using party lines.
sweetsacrifice 4 years ago
sweetsacrifice, you really don't understand the bill of rights, do you? yes, human rights may have been violated in this case, but the question is more, "were constitutional rights violated?" namely, did the police violate the protesters' rights to assemble, or were the protesters causing disorder and breaking the law? if the first ammendment were in question, the police would have told the protesters to shut up, not to disperse.
djpresidente 4 years ago
Well look at all the barracades on the ground. How did they get like that? Is that how they are suppose to be set up???
Hankhill02 4 years ago
They were knocked over about 14 minutes before that scene.
Acumensch 4 years ago
except they were set up at the beginning of the video, and the movie is only 7 minutes long.
djpresidente 4 years ago
give me time frames, please.
Here are the facts, and I'm being as truthful as possible:
Some barricades (about 3 or 4) were knocked over 14 minutes before this video was shot, when protesters advanced beyond the barricades, knocking some over somewhat nonchalantly. One protester kicked about two barricades over.
But, and this is crucial, no one THREW barricades.
Acumensch 4 years ago