@shib340 The oboe isn't painful to play at all, sure you get tired when you've played for a long time but it's by no means painful (I have played the oboe for four years now).
Hartmann has a gorgeous singing tone; he makes me proud to be an oboist (flute is better lol).....@physphilmusic i agree with what u said about the oboe sounding melancholy......oboes can have a splendid tone, but it's characteristically sad and brooding.
what he was doing when he penned in his markings in all his compositions" (and by the way, I do not think that), how does that relate to the assessment of the oboe's tone quality vis-a-vis the flute's? I know this is a video of an oboe masterclass, but I was commenting on the use of the oboe in general (It's more often used for melancholic passages).
to truly evoke joyful emotions, as compared to, for example, the trumpet. Now you can disagree with my perception, which you said is subjective, and I don't disagree fully with that. But the fact is that a lot of people have described the flute to me as "cold and inexpressive", and I think that that coldness is why 20th century composers like it: it makes it more versatile.
3. Why do you think that my statement "rendered all of [my] points irrelevant?" Even if I think that "Mozart doesn't know
he flute more, irregardless of whether they decided listeners liked it or not.
2. You take my statements out of context. Mozart's performance directions are indeed irrelevant, but ONLY in my perception of the oboe's tone quality. That emotion is indeed invoked by the instrument, as you said. But you cannot separate the score from the instrument, so when I listen to the Oboe D major concerto, I still get this melancholic quality. I believe that it is very difficult for any oboist
This is from my own experience working with flautists as a composer. Oboe is much more restricted: hence, harder to experiment with it.
If you reject all of these explanations, you still have to explain why there are more works for flute in the 20th century repertoire as compared with the oboe. I don't see the relevance of "views or feel of the individual listener." I'm NOT talking about whether the listeners enjoy the modern music written for the flute. The fact is, composers have chosen
is better suited for the less emotive styles of dodecaphonism, serialism, even possibly minimalism. I'm not sure that this is the exact reason, but for me, I also tend to favor the flute more to experiment with: the oboe's tone is too characteristic (and I think that this is a less subjective judgment). Plus, by the nature of its tone production itself, flute invites more opportunities: it doesn't use reeds. You can ask a flautist to do tongue-clicks, key clicks, note bending, even singing.
1. My claim that the flute is better suited for 20-21st century experimentation is based on an objective observation that more extended techniques are available for the flute, as compared to the oboe, which in my knowledge has only recently broken through by the efforts of Holliger. I know of much more modern works which include parts written for the flute compared with oboe, and I think one important explanation is that the flute's tone, clearer and rather cold,
Oboe is the most beautiful woodwind instrument - really, even the best flute players can't beat a great oboe player like him when they play the concerto transcribed to D major.
@dasteufelhund I won't disagree. I do like the oboe much better than the flute. But I think it is objective to say that the oboe has a more expressive and melancholic tone, compared with the flute, which many people have commented that it is cold. Hence since I like melancholic and sentimental tone colors, I like the oboe better and say it's the most beautiful. I think that the flute is much better suited for 20th century experimentation though.
@physphilmusic 20th century experimentation? You are aware the historical fact that the existance of flute is much earlier than that of oboe. What is the expression mark of the first movement of the D concerto? Does that relate anything close to melancholic quality?
@dasteufelhund What does the older history of the flute have to do with its potential for 20-21st century experimentation? Your rhetorical question baffles me. And did I say, or even imply, that the first movement of the D major concerto is an archetypal melancholic passage for the oboe? But Mozart's performance directions are irrelevant anyway: I do genuinely feel a strong emotion of melancholy even in the first bars of the oboe's entry in the concerto.
@physphilmusic I merely responded to your statement ( that flute is better suited for 20-21st century experimentation) Nothing rhetorical, but another subjective that you continue to put out. You managed to missed the point that I made completely. The amount of of music written for flute has proven that flute has seated itself through the development of music itself up to 20th century, to say flute is better suited for 20th "experimentation" you neglected and isolated..contin.
@physphilmusic neglected and isolated the role of instrumental music based on views or feel of the individual listener, that in itself is subjective and biased. Further, the Allegro generically translated is tempo, but the expression of Allegro is an adjective of lively, cheerful, joyful, bright. I don't doubt your heartfelt emotion of the exposition by oboe, but that emotion is invoked by the instrument. The movement clearly asked for the opposite of what you felt, as marked by Mozart.
@physphilmusic You said: "Mozart's performance directions are irrelevant anyway" Do you even know what you said? This statement of yours rendered all of your points irrelevant. That is saying Mozart doesn't know what he was doing when he penned in his markings in all his compositions. It's always a nasty performance to hear a performer to think or interpret otherwise, and funny to hear someone argue when they think or interpret otherwise with thousands of performance treatises in existence.
Fabulous playing. All flutists should watch this video, too! Be sure to read the official contest rules which say in the creative requirements section that all entry videos must be submitted solo, with no accompaniment - so do NOT play your entry video with piano or orchestral accompaniment.
He claims to be playing the Youtube version but his articulation differs from it in many spots and he looks like he's playing from memory. I'm not sure what the rules are here but I learned it close to how he plays it. Also, it looks like his oboe has a Viennese oboe bulb. Anyone know what he plays on?
I don't play oboe, either, but love the instrument and enjoyed watching this. Obviously Christoph is a master. Wonderful tone! His explanations and insights are quite interesting. I liked what he said about how the movement should be relaxed instead of hectic.
@ThaSchwab I think it is very polite of him to try to make it more international so far by using his English, he is not struggeling too much, although he has a very 'German' pronunciation.
@ThaSchwab You didn't really say it like that :P But I agree, he plays wonderful! These masterclasses really give you a good inside-look at the different instruments, right? :)
@ThaSchwab Why are we talking about his English? Of course it'll have a different accent, imagine yourself speaking German (if you're a native English speaker)! I'm quite impressed by how good his English is compared to thousands of people from different non-English speaking countries.
Wow! I love his relaxed and calm way of playing! My soul feels refreshed!
audreymarie2010 3 weeks ago
Molto bravo!
oboe1975 1 month ago
This vid is a favorite on Doha
beverlybradley210 1 month ago
This vid is popular on Mozambique
kirbymelton23 1 month ago
He makes it look so easy :(
silcoonlight 7 months ago 2
Most amazing oboe tone i've ever heard.
iansimz 9 months ago
@iansimz Mayer, Schellenberger, Holliger... I prefer they :)
TengoUnOboe 7 months ago
the oboe has an amazing sound...but it looks really painful to play.
shib340 10 months ago
@shib340 The oboe isn't painful to play at all, sure you get tired when you've played for a long time but it's by no means painful (I have played the oboe for four years now).
HappySlippers20 5 months ago
i love the oboe... such a pretty prettyyyyyyy instrument when played correctly
DonFlute22 1 year ago
Absolutely perfect *-* I esteem him sooo much!!!
Elisabettina88 1 year ago
Hartmann has a gorgeous singing tone; he makes me proud to be an oboist (flute is better lol).....@physphilmusic i agree with what u said about the oboe sounding melancholy......oboes can have a splendid tone, but it's characteristically sad and brooding.
XEA6L 1 year ago 2
what he was doing when he penned in his markings in all his compositions" (and by the way, I do not think that), how does that relate to the assessment of the oboe's tone quality vis-a-vis the flute's? I know this is a video of an oboe masterclass, but I was commenting on the use of the oboe in general (It's more often used for melancholic passages).
physphilmusic 1 year ago
to truly evoke joyful emotions, as compared to, for example, the trumpet. Now you can disagree with my perception, which you said is subjective, and I don't disagree fully with that. But the fact is that a lot of people have described the flute to me as "cold and inexpressive", and I think that that coldness is why 20th century composers like it: it makes it more versatile.
3. Why do you think that my statement "rendered all of [my] points irrelevant?" Even if I think that "Mozart doesn't know
physphilmusic 1 year ago
he flute more, irregardless of whether they decided listeners liked it or not.
2. You take my statements out of context. Mozart's performance directions are indeed irrelevant, but ONLY in my perception of the oboe's tone quality. That emotion is indeed invoked by the instrument, as you said. But you cannot separate the score from the instrument, so when I listen to the Oboe D major concerto, I still get this melancholic quality. I believe that it is very difficult for any oboist
physphilmusic 1 year ago
This is from my own experience working with flautists as a composer. Oboe is much more restricted: hence, harder to experiment with it.
If you reject all of these explanations, you still have to explain why there are more works for flute in the 20th century repertoire as compared with the oboe. I don't see the relevance of "views or feel of the individual listener." I'm NOT talking about whether the listeners enjoy the modern music written for the flute. The fact is, composers have chosen
physphilmusic 1 year ago
is better suited for the less emotive styles of dodecaphonism, serialism, even possibly minimalism. I'm not sure that this is the exact reason, but for me, I also tend to favor the flute more to experiment with: the oboe's tone is too characteristic (and I think that this is a less subjective judgment). Plus, by the nature of its tone production itself, flute invites more opportunities: it doesn't use reeds. You can ask a flautist to do tongue-clicks, key clicks, note bending, even singing.
physphilmusic 1 year ago
@dasteufelhund
1. My claim that the flute is better suited for 20-21st century experimentation is based on an objective observation that more extended techniques are available for the flute, as compared to the oboe, which in my knowledge has only recently broken through by the efforts of Holliger. I know of much more modern works which include parts written for the flute compared with oboe, and I think one important explanation is that the flute's tone, clearer and rather cold,
physphilmusic 1 year ago
Oboe is the most beautiful woodwind instrument - really, even the best flute players can't beat a great oboe player like him when they play the concerto transcribed to D major.
physphilmusic 1 year ago
@physphilmusic subjective statement. The concerto D sounds much better on the flute.
dasteufelhund 1 year ago
@dasteufelhund I won't disagree. I do like the oboe much better than the flute. But I think it is objective to say that the oboe has a more expressive and melancholic tone, compared with the flute, which many people have commented that it is cold. Hence since I like melancholic and sentimental tone colors, I like the oboe better and say it's the most beautiful. I think that the flute is much better suited for 20th century experimentation though.
physphilmusic 1 year ago
@physphilmusic 20th century experimentation? You are aware the historical fact that the existance of flute is much earlier than that of oboe. What is the expression mark of the first movement of the D concerto? Does that relate anything close to melancholic quality?
dasteufelhund 1 year ago
@dasteufelhund What does the older history of the flute have to do with its potential for 20-21st century experimentation? Your rhetorical question baffles me. And did I say, or even imply, that the first movement of the D major concerto is an archetypal melancholic passage for the oboe? But Mozart's performance directions are irrelevant anyway: I do genuinely feel a strong emotion of melancholy even in the first bars of the oboe's entry in the concerto.
physphilmusic 1 year ago
@physphilmusic I merely responded to your statement ( that flute is better suited for 20-21st century experimentation) Nothing rhetorical, but another subjective that you continue to put out. You managed to missed the point that I made completely. The amount of of music written for flute has proven that flute has seated itself through the development of music itself up to 20th century, to say flute is better suited for 20th "experimentation" you neglected and isolated..contin.
dasteufelhund 1 year ago
@physphilmusic neglected and isolated the role of instrumental music based on views or feel of the individual listener, that in itself is subjective and biased. Further, the Allegro generically translated is tempo, but the expression of Allegro is an adjective of lively, cheerful, joyful, bright. I don't doubt your heartfelt emotion of the exposition by oboe, but that emotion is invoked by the instrument. The movement clearly asked for the opposite of what you felt, as marked by Mozart.
dasteufelhund 1 year ago
@physphilmusic You said: "Mozart's performance directions are irrelevant anyway" Do you even know what you said? This statement of yours rendered all of your points irrelevant. That is saying Mozart doesn't know what he was doing when he penned in his markings in all his compositions. It's always a nasty performance to hear a performer to think or interpret otherwise, and funny to hear someone argue when they think or interpret otherwise with thousands of performance treatises in existence.
dasteufelhund 1 year ago
what song is this i've been wanting to know this song :D
04katrinaalyssa 1 year ago
@04katrinaalyssa its the first movement of mozart's oboe concerto in c, k. 314 :]]]
jason07605 1 year ago
@jason07605 THX :D
04katrinaalyssa 1 year ago
Fabulous playing. All flutists should watch this video, too! Be sure to read the official contest rules which say in the creative requirements section that all entry videos must be submitted solo, with no accompaniment - so do NOT play your entry video with piano or orchestral accompaniment.
ninaflute 1 year ago
Oh my God, what a lovely, heavenly, expressive sound *-* He's also a brilliant teacher!!! =D Thanks for the video!!! Very useful!!! :)
Elisabettina88 1 year ago
Love it.thanks
pooiGirl 1 year ago
He claims to be playing the Youtube version but his articulation differs from it in many spots and he looks like he's playing from memory. I'm not sure what the rules are here but I learned it close to how he plays it. Also, it looks like his oboe has a Viennese oboe bulb. Anyone know what he plays on?
ledelato 1 year ago
@ledelato It is a Dupin Imperial.
BerlinPhil 1 year ago
klasse, gerne mehr von diesen videos :)
Oboschen 1 year ago
Okay I am holding same instrument as him and I swear I never got the heavenly sound as him
enea0629 1 year ago
I don't play oboe, either, but love the instrument and enjoyed watching this. Obviously Christoph is a master. Wonderful tone! His explanations and insights are quite interesting. I liked what he said about how the movement should be relaxed instead of hectic.
wdashwor 1 year ago
Ridiculously good playing but I can tell he is struggling a bit with his English. I think it would've better in German with subtitles.
I know, I keep on mentioning subtitles. I'll stop now. :)
ThaSchwab 1 year ago
@ThaSchwab I think it is very polite of him to try to make it more international so far by using his English, he is not struggeling too much, although he has a very 'German' pronunciation.
ElisabettaVS 1 year ago
@ElisabettaVS
Of course it is, and of course he does. But, even though I pointed these things out, I said that his playing more than makes up for his speaking.
ThaSchwab 1 year ago
@ThaSchwab You didn't really say it like that :P But I agree, he plays wonderful! These masterclasses really give you a good inside-look at the different instruments, right? :)
ElisabettaVS 1 year ago
@ElisabettaVS
That's why I'm watching it. I don't even play the oboe. :P
ThaSchwab 1 year ago
@ElisabettaVS
Okay, so I didn't, but I meant it. :P I don't even play the oboe, I just love seeing professionals perform alone like this.
ThaSchwab 1 year ago
@ThaSchwab hihi, same here!
ElisabettaVS 1 year ago
@ThaSchwab Why are we talking about his English? Of course it'll have a different accent, imagine yourself speaking German (if you're a native English speaker)! I'm quite impressed by how good his English is compared to thousands of people from different non-English speaking countries.
physphilmusic 1 year ago
I don't play oboe but Christoph was very informative and interesting to watch. I'll bet he's a great teacher.
LoneWolfOnTheHeights 1 year ago