Some of the greater apes can learn a handful of symbols (300 or so) but don't tend to be able to string them together to make sentence or complex ideas. For example they can learn green and they can learn house our building, but the concept green building is out of reach.
@WorBlux Yeah and being able to express complex thoughts and being able to express concepts by using words rather than say grunts makes us (Homo sapiens) different.
The speaking thing generally just has to do with the positioning of our larynx. So it's postulated that even Homo neanderthalensis had the capability of complex thought, but couldn't actually speak like us. Sorry that was mildly off topic haha
It takes faith to think Thor didn't kill off the giants, anciant humans and humaniods weren't strong enough to kill off the giants, only Thor was strong enough!!1111
I think quality videos on evolution are almost always worthwhile. I've found that most people (even those who accept the fact of evolution) don't really understand evolution - or, at least, they maintain a lot of misconceptions. This included me for many years until I did a few years of deep reading (and listening, to talks given by scientists of various fields).
Chimps and bonobos are a lot stronger than us, pound for pound, and we are closer to them than any other extant animal.
@AncientAtheist Yeah I was definitely one of those people. Even when I somewhat understood the mechanisms behind evolution, not having examples made it really difficult to fully grasp. This class was a huge help - I'm glad I took it.
That's a neat fact. Didn't know that about our good pals.
When it comes to proto humans I have to admit I lose track of the real science with the academic upheavels and bickering as well as all the PC and anti PC nonsence involved.
I mean ever notice that all protohumans are made to look very eurocentric, so when did ethnessity in humans first happen anyway ?
@Curas1 Differences in ethnicity had to have occurred after Homo sapiens moved to various parts of the world and then was there for a number of generations.
I haven't really noticed that trend in imaging, probably because I'm only looking at images of skeletons, not artist renderings.
Ok that's intresting because the way I understood it various hominids moved out of africa at various times and when nethandrathal and cro magnon were left (or was it homo erectus I forget) there was some interspecies breeding as well as population covering the whole globe (but later in the new world).
The reason I say new world is because there were aboriginie before native americans and they were supposed to be geneticly closest to cro magnon
@Curas1 I think scientists have updated their understanding since then. First, I actually had to check what a cro magnon was haha and it's basically early Homo sapiens (when still in Africa/Middle East). Second, that's not really what happened at all. Yeah there was very little Neanderthal and Homo sapiens interbreeding, but in a different setting. I'm going to address that in the video I do on the homo genus, but if you'd like I can do so in a separate comment.
"It takes more faith to believe in evolution", so this person believes in something else that takes nothing but faith?
Also, to answer the question as to whether or not we're getting dumber... if these religious fanatics have their way, I'm afraid the answer will be yes.
@funsizedchoco well i certainly glad that you are still poking around. *excited* so i'd happily watch a series on human evolution. debunking is always fun, perhaps address humans lacking fur? its along the line of becoming small and weaker that you were talking about, "hey we need clothes to survive because we have no fur, why would we evolve to no longer have fur" - i've seen that one popping around.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaanywho - i'll be looking forward to seeing more.
Yay, welcome back! The one common misconception about evolution that I can think of (probably not the kind you were asking for) is when people try to reconcile religion and evolution by saying that it is god's way of creating by his guiding hand, because it seems to show that the person saying that hasn't understood how evolution works, which is (as far as I understand it) by different reproduction rates for different genetic variations, so there is no room for guiding hands.
Because of that a species could also grow smaller and weaker since this means faster reproduction and less fuel consumption, which is a benefit again. For that reason I doubt that evolution is still going on in humans today, since modern medicine doesn't seem to allow for different reproduction rates in humans anymore.
BTW: The guy who said that evolution leads to nothingness meant that it leads to moral nihilism, I guess. It's of course a non sequitur, and not true.
Yay! Thank you so much for this, Chelsea! My only criticism is the bit wherein you indicate that evolution is necessarily beneficial change. That is true in all definitions of evolution except biological. Biological evolution is change alone, regardless of benefit or detraction. Cheers!
@InModiasWeTrust *wince* oh geez my professor would kill me for that mistake haha What I was trying to say was for something to be selected for continuously it can't be detrimental. Ugh that was stupid, thanks for pointing that out! :)
Some of the greater apes can learn a handful of symbols (300 or so) but don't tend to be able to string them together to make sentence or complex ideas. For example they can learn green and they can learn house our building, but the concept green building is out of reach.
WorBlux 1 year ago
@WorBlux
I should say some of the other greater apes.
WorBlux 1 year ago
@WorBlux Yeah and being able to express complex thoughts and being able to express concepts by using words rather than say grunts makes us (Homo sapiens) different.
The speaking thing generally just has to do with the positioning of our larynx. So it's postulated that even Homo neanderthalensis had the capability of complex thought, but couldn't actually speak like us. Sorry that was mildly off topic haha
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
Human evolution in a nutshell: I did your mom one night when she forgot to take the pill.
anthonzi 1 year ago
@anthonzi hahahahahaha priceless
funny enough my dad's name is Anthony which does sound like your username *twilight zone music*
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
Nice to see you back !!!
Hmmm, are you talking about those 400,000 year old human teeth found in Israel? :)
AntiChrist67 1 year ago
@AntiChrist67 Thanks! I will now shamelessly point out that I even have a newer video uploaded :D haha
and indeed that is the content of the article
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
Welcome back!
CousinoMacul 1 year ago
@CousinoMacul thanks! It's nice to be back!
I will now shamelessly point out that I have an even newer video uploaded haha :D
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
It takes faith to think Thor didn't kill off the giants, anciant humans and humaniods weren't strong enough to kill off the giants, only Thor was strong enough!!1111
MinervaInTheBrain 1 year ago
@MinervaInTheBrain All hail Thor!
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
I think quality videos on evolution are almost always worthwhile. I've found that most people (even those who accept the fact of evolution) don't really understand evolution - or, at least, they maintain a lot of misconceptions. This included me for many years until I did a few years of deep reading (and listening, to talks given by scientists of various fields).
Chimps and bonobos are a lot stronger than us, pound for pound, and we are closer to them than any other extant animal.
AncientAtheist 1 year ago
@AncientAtheist Yeah I was definitely one of those people. Even when I somewhat understood the mechanisms behind evolution, not having examples made it really difficult to fully grasp. This class was a huge help - I'm glad I took it.
That's a neat fact. Didn't know that about our good pals.
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
Happy New Year!!
TheUnmaskedMagician 1 year ago
@TheUnmaskedMagician Happy New Year to you too!
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
All these rowdies I know are saying "howdy" and "welcome back." So, I'd better respond as well. Howdy and welcome back! :-))
RHYMEMAIDEN1 1 year ago
@RHYMEMAIDEN1 haha thanks! :)
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
When it comes to proto humans I have to admit I lose track of the real science with the academic upheavels and bickering as well as all the PC and anti PC nonsence involved.
I mean ever notice that all protohumans are made to look very eurocentric, so when did ethnessity in humans first happen anyway ?
Curas1 1 year ago
@Curas1 Differences in ethnicity had to have occurred after Homo sapiens moved to various parts of the world and then was there for a number of generations.
I haven't really noticed that trend in imaging, probably because I'm only looking at images of skeletons, not artist renderings.
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
@funsizedchoco
Ok that's intresting because the way I understood it various hominids moved out of africa at various times and when nethandrathal and cro magnon were left (or was it homo erectus I forget) there was some interspecies breeding as well as population covering the whole globe (but later in the new world).
The reason I say new world is because there were aboriginie before native americans and they were supposed to be geneticly closest to cro magnon
or something like that :P
Curas1 1 year ago
@Curas1 I think scientists have updated their understanding since then. First, I actually had to check what a cro magnon was haha and it's basically early Homo sapiens (when still in Africa/Middle East). Second, that's not really what happened at all. Yeah there was very little Neanderthal and Homo sapiens interbreeding, but in a different setting. I'm going to address that in the video I do on the homo genus, but if you'd like I can do so in a separate comment.
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
@funsizedchoco
I got a lot of that mixed up but it's things I've seen on PBS shows like Nova or the special Journey of man I think it was.
But that's ok I'll wait for the video, I'm sure it will be great
Curas1 1 year ago
"It takes more faith to believe in evolution", so this person believes in something else that takes nothing but faith?
Also, to answer the question as to whether or not we're getting dumber... if these religious fanatics have their way, I'm afraid the answer will be yes.
DeathsPictures 1 year ago
@DeathsPictures Yeah pretty much... ohhhhhh silly fundamentalist theists...
haha so true I'm afraid!
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
Yay! Chelsea is back :D lol at least for a bit. We know you're still aalllivveee. University is busy for me too!
alexma63 1 year ago
hey choco. interesting video. i've been immersed in my books of late so i needed a hit of science. hows the course going for you?
SpiritKeeper 1 year ago
@SpiritKeeper hey SK! Thanks! Ugh I haven't done any reading on the side I'm afraid, I need to start catching up on that...
Course is all done and it went well, thanks!
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
@funsizedchoco well i certainly glad that you are still poking around. *excited* so i'd happily watch a series on human evolution. debunking is always fun, perhaps address humans lacking fur? its along the line of becoming small and weaker that you were talking about, "hey we need clothes to survive because we have no fur, why would we evolve to no longer have fur" - i've seen that one popping around.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaanywho - i'll be looking forward to seeing more.
SpiritKeeper 1 year ago
We missed u lil' choco.
bdwilson1000 1 year ago
For videos I think you should start with a basic 'beginers guide' and then decide what to do in more detail based on comments on that vid
Scarletpooky 1 year ago
"Sorta kinda" such a great catch phrase :D
Scarletpooky 1 year ago
Yay, welcome back! The one common misconception about evolution that I can think of (probably not the kind you were asking for) is when people try to reconcile religion and evolution by saying that it is god's way of creating by his guiding hand, because it seems to show that the person saying that hasn't understood how evolution works, which is (as far as I understand it) by different reproduction rates for different genetic variations, so there is no room for guiding hands.
NoNiceNameFound 1 year ago
@NoNiceNameFound
Because of that a species could also grow smaller and weaker since this means faster reproduction and less fuel consumption, which is a benefit again. For that reason I doubt that evolution is still going on in humans today, since modern medicine doesn't seem to allow for different reproduction rates in humans anymore.
BTW: The guy who said that evolution leads to nothingness meant that it leads to moral nihilism, I guess. It's of course a non sequitur, and not true.
NoNiceNameFound 1 year ago
@NoNiceNameFound I wasn't even thinking in terms of philosophy but that makes sense. Oh non sequiturs...
Thanks for the comment - definitely a good one to talk about!
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
Glad you are back!
PhysicalConservative 1 year ago
Yay! Thank you so much for this, Chelsea! My only criticism is the bit wherein you indicate that evolution is necessarily beneficial change. That is true in all definitions of evolution except biological. Biological evolution is change alone, regardless of benefit or detraction. Cheers!
InModiasWeTrust 1 year ago
@InModiasWeTrust *wince* oh geez my professor would kill me for that mistake haha What I was trying to say was for something to be selected for continuously it can't be detrimental. Ugh that was stupid, thanks for pointing that out! :)
funsizedchoco 1 year ago
WB :D.
Ryoka242 1 year ago
Sorta kinda welcome back then :)
Vogter2100 1 year ago
@Vogter2100 Oh and thanks for the lecture :)
Vogter2100 1 year ago