@TomTheGuitarist Yes, I know. But what I wanted to stress is that sound itself (I mean the pure oscillation of molecules in the air at a certain frequency) may be better to convey an idea or a concept rather than a complex mix of sounds of an orchestra. Plus the fact that another civilized population in the space may not like Beethoven or Mozart, but it would have probably studied sound as a physical phenomenon.
Someone said classical music would be the best way to exchange ideas and emotions with the aliens, but I think this piece by Xenakis would be better for that purpose :)
why should music reflect emotions? does music always have to be like "some guy talking"? (john cage said something like that, the vid is up here on youtube...)
Lack of emotion? All that violent noise is lack of emotion? All the whining glissandos and frantic buzzing? This is mathematical / emotional music of great enthusiastic beauty.
he is not reflecting anything of his soul into this sounds. Its like if you write a poem, make a scrabble or wordle out of it and then turn it into morse code, then systematically apply dynamics and pitch with another soul removing system, and voila, you have another master piece xenakis, that reflects nothing but musically-emotionally irrelevant notes that are related by a subjacent inhuman and raw system. Xenakis isnt a musician in the psychological sense, his language is art but not music.
@rwrobp Probably, as you said, pretentious idiots. I'm one of the people who just likes listening to this stuff and no one (not even me) knows why. It might also be because the few people who do like listening to this don't know anyone in real life who wouldn't criticise them for listening to "interesting noise" or whatever, much less enjoy it with them.
How does the program interpret left-balance out of the drawing, do you suppose? Also, if one is trying to 'actively listen' to this, do you think it would be better to watch the score, or keep your eyes closed?
i like it. it sounds how it looks, and it looks awesome. sonic representation of a weird and awesome alien landscape, tracing these beautiful patterns in tonal space and time. good stuff
On the contrary what you talking about is abstract, and adding ones' imagination you get close to the metaphor conveyed. On the other hand, I am talking about a concrete, exact, mathematical analogical relationship. Feelings are not something 'magical', as the word 'magic' in its initial meaning is illusion, they are not illusionary, feelings are real and now we can have the aid to grasp them.
Is this music/art? Sure, to a small amount of people maybe (though I don't understand it).. but it also no doubts breeds pretentious idiots more interested in the image it gives off than the actual music. You can usually tell by reading the defensive comments. Comments masking a simple message such as "you're an idiot if you dont like this" with unnecessarily large words. I don't see countless comments of people praising each other for understanding stravinsky so why do I see so many here?
@rwrobp I find this to be art. Xenakis did some really cool audio/visual installations that I find to be inspiring. I agree with you though. A lot of listeners tend to think they are more intelligent than listeners of other styles.
@rwrobp i doubt you'll find a less pretentious music buff than me. i like this though. i'm not saying it's catchy, and it's definitely not what i would bring to a deserted island. it's just interesting noise to me.
Imagine you are a composer and really want to try out that new idea you have. You don't have to give a f*** about statements like "music must have a melody" or something. You just do what you think is right.
@DerJayger You shouldn't give one about what established music is like go your own way and be free to do it as you see fit that's how you should do it.
When I look at the drawings Xenakis inputted into the UPIC to create Mycenae Alpha, I wonder if he had derived inspiration from biological assortment of cells. I can't help but be reminded, for example, of fungi when I see the picture at the right at 4:19.
I'm wondering what his inspiration for the timbres used were as well.
His music scares me!And that is why eventually I appreciate it and like it!Music can very rarely provoke fear to people!This kind of music is perfect for thriller movies,it's a shame they don't use his music.
There is a huge lack of imagination/creativity for those that come here and call this work by Xenakis horrendous...I'm going to use Xenakis studies for an architectural project, I think his work was far away for his time. Thanks for this great video.
I've contacted you a little while earlier regarding your Mycenae Alpha video. Could you please let me know how you got the time line to travel across the images? What programme did you use?
Please Help!
PS: if anyone else happens to know how this is done and is willing to help, I would really appreciate it.
Yeah, real good. This is DRIVEL. Go listen to Bach's Preludes and Fugues for a real experience, not an avant-garde posturing session where you "get into" this "music."
There's no need to get on the defensive and start insulting people just because you don't understand something if it doesn't fit into your narrow (and restrictive) mindset of what 'music' is...It's good to have an mind open to possibility and development...
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Oh, I don't like something, so somehow I'm "close-minded?" I don't have a restricitive mindset. My CD collection includes everything from Japanese folk music to punk from the 70s to Bach to jazz. Most of this post WWII avant-garde noodling I find absurd and a fraud, like how Warhol pulled the wool over everyone's eyes. With a lot of this stuff, an aura of "mystery" and "complexity" has been built up, and people are scared to say they hate it for fear of being seen as unhip or backwards.
Does anybody out there have information about if CeMAMu still exists and if so what they are doing? I saw a posting somewhere for some summer programs for composers in 1998, but that is no long ago. I would be interested to know if they are still there, and how to contact them.J
The lack of emotion in the piece makes it sound 'alien', 'inhuman', 'monstrous'. The fact it evokes this in the viewer makes it music and not simply just noise. My cat came downstairs as if wanting to know what the hell I was listening to. So obviously it stands out. I wouldn't say I enjoyed this in the slightest since it sounded frightening, but it is fascinating.
We just haven't learned how to listen to atonal or avant-guard, futuristic classical music because our ears are too trained to hear and enjoy the familiarity of tonal, common music. Atonal music is the only way to elicit and extract all the inexplicable feelings from within the depths of the slumbering human condition. Tonal music fails horribly at doing this. So be patient.
and it is now the time with the aid of technology, to pass through ratio relationships to the best possible analogies of the human condition. one prime example, convert human;s heart rhtyms under stress or love state for example into pitch intervals, translation of the heart pulse ratio into pitch interval ratio , so on so forth
@ArgonDeeBosh I'm not talking about some abstract frequency derivation that no one will actually feel the emotions it is derived from. But music that can and does portray such emotion...
I have a feeling this is the future of music. At this point in time it lacks the amount of theory needed to be defined as a form of art that demands the conviction from it's listeners that it truely is music. People on here are thinking too linearly; too traditionally; too.. 19th/20th Century-ly. In the later years of the 21st century we will be bored of the predictability found within tonal, classical/popular music and we will find enjoyment within the beautiful music of atonal "shitty sounds"
atonal music has become traditional itself. and slices of it have been incorporated into all kinds of music. for me that piece is music history. the future is somewhere else
I haven't been anywhere in the last 100 years, I've only lived for 20. Atonal music may not be the future, I agree. But it surely is one of the most recent musical disciplines to work from, and future music will probably be dominated by that "atonal sound".
Well.. OK lets say that, on its general definition, this is some form of art.. Some may even regard it as being creative because Xenakis spend some of his precious time to put down an arrangement of graphs and drawings to create this..
BUT the end product is just NONSENSE.. Humans created the term music to define noises that excite feelings. THIS DOES NOT (unless you have some serious issues). Noise existed before humans defined music and will exist forever. SO THIS IS JUST F******* NOISE!!
People rightly get annoyed when this kind of thing is held up as if it were somehow related to or equal to the great works of the 400 year old tradition of classical music. It belongs more appropriately with radical pop or jazz. The Jesus and Mary Chain for instance used to turn up all their amps and just have feedback for a whole 'song'. It was art of a kind. We should give this kind of stuff a new name - sonic theater, or sonic design, not to confuse it with the fine art of composition.
surely this video shows that this music is intricatly and deliberatly composed, not just improvised feedback and in no way theatrical. sonic design maybe, especially Xenakis' electronic pieces. i dont think its radical pop or jazz, its radical classical, it comes from classical roots ie rigorously formal composition, however noisy the resulting music is.
There's nothing wrong with the music of those composers, but is this music not of the same quality? It may not have a discernible melody or any sort of characteristic that would make it exactly "pleasant", but Mycenae Alpha is brilliant in its own right.
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How can you say that it is music ? I don't understand. There is no genius in here, it's only completely random, no rule, nothing. It's like playing a game without any rule or very few rules. This music is not understandable. It's not funny to hear it, it's crazy, it has no sense ! Music has sense. This thing has no heart -.-
Is the purpose of music to be understandable? To make sense? A lot of music makes no sense at all.
Does music exist as a thing to entertain YOU, or as an open forum of expression for a person? What is the purpose of music?
I, personally, find a huge amount of expression in this.
Of course, there's going to be huge divides in opinion on this. We're both totally entitled to whatever we think. Just wanted to throw another idea out there. :)
my friend this music its a result of some things like second world war and stuff like that.the fact that you cant understand this piece of art doent mean that it is not music.you r just unable to understand in your ignorance
Yes maybe you're right, because I must say that I will never understand this "music". For me it will always be as beautiful as a plane flying... but I'm only ignorant of that kind of music, because i learn classical piano since I'm 6 and I learnt classical music history. what I think about this "song" is that it was only created for provocation
They actually do. That, in my opinion, is a portion of what makes me enjoy takeoff during a plane flight — the surging of masses of sound that eventually and beautifully coalesce into a sonic lullaby. I find it to be music.
you see, a piano sounds always the same. of course, there are many different pitches and two pedals, but generally, the sound is quite similiar all the time.
were you at any time surprised by the sound of you piano? certainly not. of course, what is the importang thing are the notes rather than the sound of each key.
I'm sure hearing this xenakis piece was a new experience to you, even though you did not like it.
No you dont get it yes I know how will sound my piano but I'm often surprised when I play a tune or when I compose. But I think this piece is less surprising than a piano even if you can't predict what will happen because this song sounds like an effect just like in echoes (pink floyd)
It's hard to explain in words why I like this. I'ld have to know more about music in order to fully understand this, but I liked it. It might sounds like noise, but it's a good noise (if that makes any sense). Xenakis is quite good! yeah!
you don't have to know more about music to understand it. the reason you like it is its a direct correlation of audio/visual data and that's always interesting. it's also the basis for a good deal of hypnosis
Xenakis didn't draw the traditional distinctions between math/science and art, or between the visual and the auditory...he used all of it and more to create his endlessly fascinating music. I am in awe.
He requires you to take music as he sees, not bunched into the same old structures of Western music and question where noise ends and music begins. This wouldn't go over big at a Rave!
Esta música fue realizada en la UPIC, software creado y desarrollado por Xenakis y por Julio Estada (mexicano), que trabajó con él varios años, de hecho, con el Dr. Estrada se puede conseguir este programa para PC (no hay versión para Mac), pero se pueden conseguir sonoridades muy similares e interesantes con Metasynth (para Mac).
those are some angry bees 2:00 - 2:55
HoldingWay 2 days ago
GREAT
joaorafaeldionisio 1 month ago
amazing
caracterav 1 month ago
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10 justin bieber and 10 stockhausen song at the same time
/watch?v=xTiwpr7gcP8
andrewillis21 2 months ago
he's pretty intense.
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daichokinZ 3 months ago
I don't recommend putting this on at a party.
BagelBites48 4 months ago 13
so i opened this video with my earphones deep in my ear canals. goddammit.
backpocketfoundation 4 months ago
Genious!
ilzeba 4 months ago
@TomTheGuitarist Yes, I know. But what I wanted to stress is that sound itself (I mean the pure oscillation of molecules in the air at a certain frequency) may be better to convey an idea or a concept rather than a complex mix of sounds of an orchestra. Plus the fact that another civilized population in the space may not like Beethoven or Mozart, but it would have probably studied sound as a physical phenomenon.
viadeiplatani 5 months ago
Someone said classical music would be the best way to exchange ideas and emotions with the aliens, but I think this piece by Xenakis would be better for that purpose :)
viadeiplatani 6 months ago
Epic!
medorach 7 months ago
it actually caused ear pain listening it on my laptop
HorNet505 8 months ago
This music reminds me of The Shining soundtrack
colorrrr 8 months ago
superman at 8:05 lol
android329 9 months ago 2
This program is amazing. I wrote the first five Radiohead songs from memory! Wow, I'm already a composer!
xxpeniskingxx 10 months ago
why should music reflect emotions? does music always have to be like "some guy talking"? (john cage said something like that, the vid is up here on youtube...)
thomasausderwelt 10 months ago
2:20 Reminds me of the THX sound
Zyxzyv 10 months ago 2
omg. why though? why is this music? why? who can dance to this and what would they do?
TheDymondusic 10 months ago
@TheDymondusic You do realize that the vast majority of music that has ever been composed was not made for dancing, right?
coasterman16 6 months ago
Like aliens having an epic starship battle in outer space...
zackxjklol 10 months ago
this is by far one of the coolest things i've ever heard of.
zackxjklol 10 months ago
music students are so used to listening to "older" music and the ending sounds like an imperfect cadence LOL!! there's a "I - V" rofl xD
pianist7137 11 months ago
this scares me. so much
ttheWanderer 11 months ago
My god..... never again.
shootthis123 1 year ago
my brain is full of fuck and I love it.
Vladdyboy 1 year ago 3
Lack of emotion? All that violent noise is lack of emotion? All the whining glissandos and frantic buzzing? This is mathematical / emotional music of great enthusiastic beauty.
vaspers 1 year ago
he is not reflecting anything of his soul into this sounds. Its like if you write a poem, make a scrabble or wordle out of it and then turn it into morse code, then systematically apply dynamics and pitch with another soul removing system, and voila, you have another master piece xenakis, that reflects nothing but musically-emotionally irrelevant notes that are related by a subjacent inhuman and raw system. Xenakis isnt a musician in the psychological sense, his language is art but not music.
NevinJarek 1 year ago
@rwrobp Probably, as you said, pretentious idiots. I'm one of the people who just likes listening to this stuff and no one (not even me) knows why. It might also be because the few people who do like listening to this don't know anyone in real life who wouldn't criticise them for listening to "interesting noise" or whatever, much less enjoy it with them.
AyumuVanguard 1 year ago
awesome! like taking a crap and throwing up at the same time :)
btw xenakis ftw!
Junkerhohlkopf 1 year ago
Instant headache
Lisztman88 1 year ago
Music for Fungus to grew by, perhaps?
phoenixshade3 1 year ago
WTF
Danielita90 1 year ago
the "landscape" moves slightly when the line passes due to artifacts or whatever but i am staring at this high as shit
2trips 1 year ago
How does the program interpret left-balance out of the drawing, do you suppose? Also, if one is trying to 'actively listen' to this, do you think it would be better to watch the score, or keep your eyes closed?
GordonCSA 1 year ago
How does the program interpret left-balance out of the drawing, do you suppose?
GordonCSA 1 year ago
Now I know my ears are ticklish...
pearsewl 1 year ago
i like it. it sounds how it looks, and it looks awesome. sonic representation of a weird and awesome alien landscape, tracing these beautiful patterns in tonal space and time. good stuff
damocaution 1 year ago
0:25 Out of tune violin
byakuganmaggot 1 year ago
@byakuganmaggot SO?!
hjgfweuryfgwuyegfuyw 1 year ago
why couldnt he have drawn something cool like a sword or something....
KBMKBMKBMKBM 1 year ago 13
Industrial meets Stockhausen...
Pruzzia 1 year ago
well, this is the first piece by Xenakis that I really don't like. It's physically painful to listen to. Bits of it are bearable. Like parson's egg.
rjr1967 1 year ago
4:20 sounds like dive bombers
Wilkinsonkid 1 year ago
this music? confounds the understanding.
nacyupittan 1 year ago
Fantastic!
Excellent for dinner parties!
Seriously though, That burned me out, Guess I haven't listened to enough of him yet :D
RyanFromUltrasound 1 year ago 2
Mosquitoes from hell.
zuperduperboi 1 year ago 2
I find it mundane, but surely it broke down barriers in its time.
spiekblix 1 year ago
The pan effect from left to right makes for quite a strange feeling with headphones on :S
rmccormack 1 year ago
2:20ish -2:50 sounds like tron
rmccormack 1 year ago
This is excellent, I find it actually quite soothing...
AltForNorge01 1 year ago
I love this! But why!?
wazpoke 1 year ago 4
So each line corresponds to a different frequency?
lorezapocalypse 1 year ago
On the contrary what you talking about is abstract, and adding ones' imagination you get close to the metaphor conveyed. On the other hand, I am talking about a concrete, exact, mathematical analogical relationship. Feelings are not something 'magical', as the word 'magic' in its initial meaning is illusion, they are not illusionary, feelings are real and now we can have the aid to grasp them.
ArgonDeeBosh 1 year ago
I will agree that this is music but I do wonder if this style of composition can portray emotions other than fear and horror.
MansoonSpennyFilms 1 year ago
私はこの曲を聴いて大変衝撃を受けました。この斬新さに驚きました。私は色々な曲を聴いてきましたが、この音響空間の素晴らしさは他の音楽には無いと思います。気に入ったので何回も聴いています。
issop0730 1 year ago
I think this is quite amazing for being noise music.
katakotia 1 year ago
wonderful. it's art. music of the future. finally something differtent.
LittleSlipknotFreak 2 years ago
are there credits for this video? i am linking to it from an article.
lexnadalex 2 years ago
Is this music/art? Sure, to a small amount of people maybe (though I don't understand it).. but it also no doubts breeds pretentious idiots more interested in the image it gives off than the actual music. You can usually tell by reading the defensive comments. Comments masking a simple message such as "you're an idiot if you dont like this" with unnecessarily large words. I don't see countless comments of people praising each other for understanding stravinsky so why do I see so many here?
rwrobp 2 years ago 3
@rwrobp I find this to be art. Xenakis did some really cool audio/visual installations that I find to be inspiring. I agree with you though. A lot of listeners tend to think they are more intelligent than listeners of other styles.
andrewdahabrah 2 years ago 2
@rwrobp i doubt you'll find a less pretentious music buff than me. i like this though. i'm not saying it's catchy, and it's definitely not what i would bring to a deserted island. it's just interesting noise to me.
bretchet23 1 year ago
@bretchet23 Can we bring our friend's sisters to deserted islands?
AltForNorge01 1 year ago
Imagine you are a composer and really want to try out that new idea you have. You don't have to give a f*** about statements like "music must have a melody" or something. You just do what you think is right.
DerJayger 2 years ago 3
@DerJayger You shouldn't give one about what established music is like go your own way and be free to do it as you see fit that's how you should do it.
nightw4tchman 2 years ago
I think I just pooped myself.
Nope, that was the music too.
pearsewl 2 years ago
This sounds soo weird when you listen to it with headphones
wiifan3 2 years ago 2
It is not music but the very thing in which music hides
niazi1985 2 years ago
anyone tried listening to this on acid or mushrooms?
1987devo 2 years ago 20
I will!
Cegrell 2 years ago
Sadly not, but I listened to this earlier when I was really high and drunk.
The tones are just scary
ILoveAmp 2 years ago
hermoso sin ninguna duda. xenakis es de los pocos que han sabido trasceder el significado del termino musica. impresionante
lmsnd 2 years ago
When I look at the drawings Xenakis inputted into the UPIC to create Mycenae Alpha, I wonder if he had derived inspiration from biological assortment of cells. I can't help but be reminded, for example, of fungi when I see the picture at the right at 4:19.
I'm wondering what his inspiration for the timbres used were as well.
MusicaRicercata 2 years ago
ooo @ 4:43 looks like a beard man
MiKi00l 2 years ago
This is a very intense and unsettling piece. VERY intense.
Part of the reason I like Xenakis music so much.
emperorIng360 2 years ago 10
beautiful
#@!
SpammerOvTheGods 2 years ago
His music scares me!And that is why eventually I appreciate it and like it!Music can very rarely provoke fear to people!This kind of music is perfect for thriller movies,it's a shame they don't use his music.
stergenakis 2 years ago
i wonder how timbre and amplitude are controlled.
nycpntr 2 years ago 2
timbre incontrollable, unless certain textures are set for different time slots. amplitude probably varies with thickness
boilingbubbles 2 years ago
Superb! One of my favorite electronic works. Thanks for posting this.
FrankenBosey 2 years ago
I CAN FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING MEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeee
Shangster949 2 years ago
There is a huge lack of imagination/creativity for those that come here and call this work by Xenakis horrendous...I'm going to use Xenakis studies for an architectural project, I think his work was far away for his time. Thanks for this great video.
zhekutha 2 years ago
I can almost imagine what it might be like to experience synethesia; I wonder if Xenakis might have been partly inspired in this by Kandinsky.
polymath7 2 years ago
Hi D21d34c55,
I've contacted you a little while earlier regarding your Mycenae Alpha video. Could you please let me know how you got the time line to travel across the images? What programme did you use?
Please Help!
PS: if anyone else happens to know how this is done and is willing to help, I would really appreciate it.
katenak 2 years ago
I sang this for my girlfriend on our first date and well, folks, now we're married.:)
Just shows what music does for the human heart.
polymath7 2 years ago 3
classic!
xemmoreah 2 years ago
GAAAAH!!! It sounds Like the THRENODY!!
kastlesucks 2 years ago
Yay!!!!!! It sounds like the THRENODY!!
pmberns 2 years ago
The Second Picture is terrifying as it unfolds harmonically. I love it. I feel as if I am seeing the synapses in my brain firing in slow motion.
ultrasynthetic 2 years ago 3
Yeah, real good. This is DRIVEL. Go listen to Bach's Preludes and Fugues for a real experience, not an avant-garde posturing session where you "get into" this "music."
koreankayagum 2 years ago
There's no need to get on the defensive and start insulting people just because you don't understand something if it doesn't fit into your narrow (and restrictive) mindset of what 'music' is...It's good to have an mind open to possibility and development...
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Oh, I don't like something, so somehow I'm "close-minded?" I don't have a restricitive mindset. My CD collection includes everything from Japanese folk music to punk from the 70s to Bach to jazz. Most of this post WWII avant-garde noodling I find absurd and a fraud, like how Warhol pulled the wool over everyone's eyes. With a lot of this stuff, an aura of "mystery" and "complexity" has been built up, and people are scared to say they hate it for fear of being seen as unhip or backwards.
koreankayagum 2 years ago
Does anybody out there have information about if CeMAMu still exists and if so what they are doing? I saw a posting somewhere for some summer programs for composers in 1998, but that is no long ago. I would be interested to know if they are still there, and how to contact them.J
CoreOgg 2 years ago 2
drthess thn poutsa mou thn 8es?
frixe13 2 years ago
I loved this piece, but would have preferred it to be performed in K-flat Major.
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black people music.
UltraBibendum 2 years ago
Sounds like angry bees.
QuiRan82 2 years ago 7
WTF?
KIRBYofUNKO 2 years ago 4
The lack of emotion in the piece makes it sound 'alien', 'inhuman', 'monstrous'. The fact it evokes this in the viewer makes it music and not simply just noise. My cat came downstairs as if wanting to know what the hell I was listening to. So obviously it stands out. I wouldn't say I enjoyed this in the slightest since it sounded frightening, but it is fascinating.
ehrenyu 2 years ago 10
@ehrenyu This piece just as everything from Xenakis is very thoroughly composed.
LesbianStraightGay 1 year ago
We just haven't learned how to listen to atonal or avant-guard, futuristic classical music because our ears are too trained to hear and enjoy the familiarity of tonal, common music. Atonal music is the only way to elicit and extract all the inexplicable feelings from within the depths of the slumbering human condition. Tonal music fails horribly at doing this. So be patient.
christopher19894 2 years ago 4
and it is now the time with the aid of technology, to pass through ratio relationships to the best possible analogies of the human condition. one prime example, convert human;s heart rhtyms under stress or love state for example into pitch intervals, translation of the heart pulse ratio into pitch interval ratio , so on so forth
ArgonDeeBosh 2 years ago
@ArgonDeeBosh Listen to some recordings of say, pines of rome or symphony fantastique and you will hear that kind of stuff used extensively
MansoonSpennyFilms 1 year ago
Now if you mean Berlioz and Respinghi, you have a lot of imagination! ;p
ArgonDeeBosh 1 year ago
@ArgonDeeBosh I'm not talking about some abstract frequency derivation that no one will actually feel the emotions it is derived from. But music that can and does portray such emotion...
MansoonSpennyFilms 1 year ago
I have a feeling this is the future of music. At this point in time it lacks the amount of theory needed to be defined as a form of art that demands the conviction from it's listeners that it truely is music. People on here are thinking too linearly; too traditionally; too.. 19th/20th Century-ly. In the later years of the 21st century we will be bored of the predictability found within tonal, classical/popular music and we will find enjoyment within the beautiful music of atonal "shitty sounds"
christopher19894 2 years ago
Well such a mean being I am ^^ I am thinking too traditional... because I still have this pityful idea that music should touch feelings.
This kind of art is interesting but it does not touch anything at all. Sorry.
QuiRan82 2 years ago
where have you been the last 100 years?
atonal music has become traditional itself. and slices of it have been incorporated into all kinds of music. for me that piece is music history. the future is somewhere else
Tinosoph 2 years ago 3
I haven't been anywhere in the last 100 years, I've only lived for 20. Atonal music may not be the future, I agree. But it surely is one of the most recent musical disciplines to work from, and future music will probably be dominated by that "atonal sound".
christopher19894 2 years ago
Well.. OK lets say that, on its general definition, this is some form of art.. Some may even regard it as being creative because Xenakis spend some of his precious time to put down an arrangement of graphs and drawings to create this..
BUT the end product is just NONSENSE.. Humans created the term music to define noises that excite feelings. THIS DOES NOT (unless you have some serious issues). Noise existed before humans defined music and will exist forever. SO THIS IS JUST F******* NOISE!!
charmand79 2 years ago
It excited your anger, so it's music.
yumyumwhatzohai 2 years ago
@charmand79
You sound pretty angry. Anger is a feeling too.
ZOMGHALP 1 year ago
it's sound and form, that's all
nikiblue 2 years ago
This is CREEPY!
Morrisey2 2 years ago
τουρκόσπορε lampogialoglou παρε τον μπουλο....δεν ειναι για αμορφωτους τσιφτετέλληνες ο ξενακης
drthess 3 years ago
how do so many angry people find this anyway?
Gibbons3000 3 years ago 15
sound like somthing off of 2001 a space odessy
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People rightly get annoyed when this kind of thing is held up as if it were somehow related to or equal to the great works of the 400 year old tradition of classical music. It belongs more appropriately with radical pop or jazz. The Jesus and Mary Chain for instance used to turn up all their amps and just have feedback for a whole 'song'. It was art of a kind. We should give this kind of stuff a new name - sonic theater, or sonic design, not to confuse it with the fine art of composition.
richtomes 3 years ago
surely this video shows that this music is intricatly and deliberatly composed, not just improvised feedback and in no way theatrical. sonic design maybe, especially Xenakis' electronic pieces. i dont think its radical pop or jazz, its radical classical, it comes from classical roots ie rigorously formal composition, however noisy the resulting music is.
fakeplasticchris 3 years ago 3
EL HOMBRE HABLA DONDE HAY VIDA.
m0rgan83 3 years ago
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lawn mowers ! fantastic!
thebloads 3 years ago
incredible
klopek24 3 years ago
trash
flameadon 3 years ago
COOL
DeepSeaSeamus 3 years ago 2
I picture a wonderful starlit night in paradise while beautiful enchanting melodies are faintly heard from the distance.
BachScholar 3 years ago
:)as usual wonderful comments
heart? sense? meaning?
there's no place for you in Valhalla
RIP mr Xenakis
dildostarfish 3 years ago
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SOUND, not music. fuck whoever thinks this is music. Music is an art, this is a joke
bboy46239 3 years ago
Isn't music simply organised sound?
DannyDaWriter 3 years ago 3
What organization does this piece have? It's noise to me. This may be art, but it's not music.
OdintheGrand 2 years ago
it's actually quite musical. you just have a very limited and conservative definition of music. OPEN YOUR MIND!
RotoPlasmX 2 years ago
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Agree... Let's hear beautiful Melodies of Vivaldi, Beethoven, Chopin, etc
sjmh280491 2 years ago
There's nothing wrong with the music of those composers, but is this music not of the same quality? It may not have a discernible melody or any sort of characteristic that would make it exactly "pleasant", but Mycenae Alpha is brilliant in its own right.
MusicaRicercata 2 years ago
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How can you say that it is music ? I don't understand. There is no genius in here, it's only completely random, no rule, nothing. It's like playing a game without any rule or very few rules. This music is not understandable. It's not funny to hear it, it's crazy, it has no sense ! Music has sense. This thing has no heart -.-
georgesman33 3 years ago
Is the purpose of music to be understandable? To make sense? A lot of music makes no sense at all.
Does music exist as a thing to entertain YOU, or as an open forum of expression for a person? What is the purpose of music?
I, personally, find a huge amount of expression in this.
Of course, there's going to be huge divides in opinion on this. We're both totally entitled to whatever we think. Just wanted to throw another idea out there. :)
ickeryeckeru 3 years ago 3
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"Does music exist as a thing to entertain YOU, or as an open forum of expression for a person? "
Open forum of expression... of.. what exactly?
I find a huge amount of expression in controlled flatulence. And silence. And screaming children. And jet engines.
Step away from the post-modern crack pipe while dealing with the definitions of important things, please.
sparsematrix 3 years ago
step off faggot
DeepSeaSeamus 3 years ago
my friend this music its a result of some things like second world war and stuff like that.the fact that you cant understand this piece of art doent mean that it is not music.you r just unable to understand in your ignorance
anaseiri 2 years ago
Yes maybe you're right, because I must say that I will never understand this "music". For me it will always be as beautiful as a plane flying... but I'm only ignorant of that kind of music, because i learn classical piano since I'm 6 and I learnt classical music history. what I think about this "song" is that it was only created for provocation
georgesman33 2 years ago
flying planes make beautiful sounds!
niqueth 2 years ago 3
They actually do. That, in my opinion, is a portion of what makes me enjoy takeoff during a plane flight — the surging of masses of sound that eventually and beautifully coalesce into a sonic lullaby. I find it to be music.
DannyDaWriter 2 years ago
you see, a piano sounds always the same. of course, there are many different pitches and two pedals, but generally, the sound is quite similiar all the time.
were you at any time surprised by the sound of you piano? certainly not. of course, what is the importang thing are the notes rather than the sound of each key.
I'm sure hearing this xenakis piece was a new experience to you, even though you did not like it.
lorenzarthur91 2 years ago
No you dont get it yes I know how will sound my piano but I'm often surprised when I play a tune or when I compose. But I think this piece is less surprising than a piano even if you can't predict what will happen because this song sounds like an effect just like in echoes (pink floyd)
georgesman33 2 years ago
the entire drawing at 4:20 sounds and looks so cool
gtyler7292 3 years ago
XENAKIS RULES!
budalo 3 years ago
I wouldn't call xenakis amazing, interesting yes, but not amazing. Thanks for sharing this, very entertaining! :)
Qwaarf 3 years ago
cool
richragsdale 3 years ago
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Emperor's new clothes, anyone?
NSBMer 3 years ago
aREN'T YOU THE CATTY ONE.
meow meowmeow.
anyway, this is quite lovely. xenakis made some amazing stuff.
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sigfpe 3 years ago
It's hard to explain in words why I like this. I'ld have to know more about music in order to fully understand this, but I liked it. It might sounds like noise, but it's a good noise (if that makes any sense). Xenakis is quite good! yeah!
ToasterKarl 3 years ago
you don't have to know more about music to understand it. the reason you like it is its a direct correlation of audio/visual data and that's always interesting. it's also the basis for a good deal of hypnosis
rascalrascal 3 years ago
ohhh that is truly fascinating Xenakis - Genius !!!!!!!!!!!!
jaroussky1 3 years ago
esto es una gran cagada a quien le gusta estos chirriantes sonidos
elroger250 3 years ago
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valla mierda esto a kien le gusta
minikuko1994 3 years ago
Xenakis didn't draw the traditional distinctions between math/science and art, or between the visual and the auditory...he used all of it and more to create his endlessly fascinating music. I am in awe.
p0lyph0ny 3 years ago 9
awesome
terrasidius 3 years ago
no sea tan turro
NOPELAOS 3 years ago
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umm wtf
recognizereal1 3 years ago
Inversing the fourier transform
asCii88 3 years ago
omg 5:16 incredible
gtyler7292 3 years ago
very interesting...
gtyler7292 3 years ago
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please dont ever do this again,
englandforever 3 years ago
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this is horror.... lol
xo0orossoo0ox 3 years ago
xenakis...such a renegade.
nebula32 3 years ago 4
This is incredible...a potent fusion of music and image!
JeeRant 3 years ago 2
it looks like a writing system for an alien language, with the alien interpreting it. spooky
deernardz 3 years ago 3
Combine a fax machine and synthesizer, and you have UPIC! Add lights and lasers to an art installation, and this would represent the ambient sound.
aqdrobert 3 years ago
He requires you to take music as he sees, not bunched into the same old structures of Western music and question where noise ends and music begins. This wouldn't go over big at a Rave!
SweetSweetWaldo 3 years ago
wow that incredible!
gharju 3 years ago
Esta música fue realizada en la UPIC, software creado y desarrollado por Xenakis y por Julio Estada (mexicano), que trabajó con él varios años, de hecho, con el Dr. Estrada se puede conseguir este programa para PC (no hay versión para Mac), pero se pueden conseguir sonoridades muy similares e interesantes con Metasynth (para Mac).
makolalo 3 years ago