Press TV-Reporter's File-Chinese Ghost Cities-07-22-2010

[5dogsandacat]

wow....hundreds of empty cities that will house millions of people sitting empty...building mega, fabulous, american like cities at a cost of 585 billion dollars..umm..what was the amount the world banking system got from america for our mortgage bail out..you know the money that the americans did not get as the foreclosures rage on here...seems like building for the elite of the future to me.

[sweethindi]

wake up. If ur already awake, you know exactly who these modern cities are for. Its not for regular ppl like u and me. And they arent for right now. Think of where the elite plan on going once its time to come out of their bunkers.

[cyaphobia]

They are buying as much hard assets as they can because they hold a majority of americas money. Once Americas money fails they will still have assets to make money on .

[Jokerlaugh2]

they're 1 billion Chinese in china, and the cities are empty? WTF!!!

[Idjitcat]

Looks like the model for sustainable development; vertical condos to get rid of sprawl per Agenda-21! Maybe the Chinese ARE on board with globalism after all!

[hateTHEcheaters]

I think they know something we don't. After the muzzies nuke our country, looks like China will have a place for American survivors to live.

[bryanguy1]

I wish the mayor of Detroit would go talk to china have them Rebuild Detroit then the City can begin the process of Down Sizing to make way for farm land and a theme park :)

[martinberg78]

All this is missing, is a semi full of spraypaint, and the SDK Crew! Imagine the possibilities!

[PhotonDrive]

I'm so tired of that trolling crap about US being a "Republic" & NOT a "Democracy". Maybe the Banksters & Oil Billionaires would like that to be true? However, something called THE BILL OF RIGHTS converts it into a Democracy! Defensive in nature ? True. Implies the right to REVOLUTION? Also true! Fought like hell by the Hamilton & the other Bankster commercial neo-fuedalists of the time! SOVIERENTY RESIDES IN THE PEOPLE - not would-be bosses! NO MORE NUKES!

[KennyCorrigal12345]

the symbol for presstv is an open eye with a sun behind it, I'm sure all you illuminati theorists out there can piece that one together.... hopefully

[iroquoisfalls]

@KennyCorrigal12345 Yeah... Looks like and O also... Press... Opress.. China's people are obviously opressed and the rest of the western world is being led in that direction also... (much of the world is already there, by bankster design)

[BIRDDOG551]

How in the hell can you have a ghost town with a population of 1.3bn people?

[thepurevandal]

Or they could be nuclear war evacuation cities??

[hoilow8]

Because of the huge trade surplus. The Chinese government is loaded with US dollars so they used it to build cities and mega project funded by the US interest payments. If the US dollars crash, at least they have something of value versus the fiat US dollar. There's no where to go with the excess other than to build cities. While the US government borrow and spend to fight the war on terrorism, the Chinese government accumulated surplus and build cities. (American taxpayer's expense)

[832002]

the crazy thing is that china continues to achieve economic growth whilst the old western capitalist nations begin to tumble. china has apartments ready to be occupied but

we have a housing shortage in the uk! and they say socialism doesnt work.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@832002 That's weird- I see an economic system as "working" when it provides high quality good and services THAT THE PEOPLE NEED at affordable prices. The fact they are spending massive amounts (billions) on making things no one needs is a huge symbol of failure. Just think of all the other things their society could have made instead of a ghost city.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg Whats interesting though is the Chinese have never thought this was. Think about it this way....if anything were to happen to the major cities, they have backup ones ready. Their train system will reach the inhabited ones, as well as the ghost cities. I dont think they are building just to build. I'm thinking this was a calculated decision. (maybe for something in the future?)

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic Perhaps there may be a plan, but it is one persons plan (or a small group) and people make mistakes. You would never get this kind of thing to happen from the free market. And for the big "what if" you speak of they have sacrificed billions of dollars- taking them away from solving the very real and current problems the people actually face in real life. Yeah, a back up city may sound neat, but a lot of resources that could have benefited people are now wasting away.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg And hows the free market working out? Sacrifices billions of dollars they actually had. This is different...China has something we do not. A HUGE surplus. Unlike the western world which borrows for everything. They actually produce what they consume, unlike importing everything like we do. We are so broke we can't even build a train system reaching one part of the USA to the other. Theres alot of things they are doing right. Theyyve learned form our mistakes.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic We don't have a free market in the United States any longer, it's corporatism- total corruption. That's why things are going so poorly. But before that we had more of a free market and last I checked we were the richest nation the world has ever seen. So I'd say the free market works pretty well if you let it. And by the way, the reason China's economy has been improving is because they have been allowing more free market capitalism.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg I don't disagree with you there. However Capitalism can't stay like you've described for very long. Eventually corporations spring up, money gets collected onto a small few....they slowly gain power....and it turn into something else entirely.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic All our political systems have one majoy flaw- corruption. There is nothing bad about a corporation- but they will reach out and try to lobby congress for personal gain and this is wrong. Our only hope, and probably something that will benefit all political systems (from the perspective of the people), is the internet. The internet will help us get rid of corruption and will help all systems work better than they have in the past.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@PeaceRallyOrg In a world free or corruption my vote is that capitalism will outperform all the others.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg Ok maybe. But you can't have democracy AND capitalism at the same time...this is a receptive for disaster.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic The United States is not democracy. It is a Republic. That's a huge difference. If we followed the rules of our republic I see no reason why we can't have capitalism. But right now we do not follow the rules and so we constantly have business teaming up with government to destroy capitalism. What we really need is a strong and true media (imo)- as that will keep the corruption at bay.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg I was waiting for you to correct me. Because I wanted to point out to you that both the former USSR and PRC stand for "United Soviet Socialist REPUBLIC! and the People's REPUBLIC of China. Elections are held in china...as was the case in soviet Russia. History shows Capitalism needs no requirement of a REPUBLIC for it to exist. Also...china would argue that the USA's form of capitalism was inherently flawed by the sheer proof of the USA's decline.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg Pt. 2 I've also heard the argument that FREE MARKET CAPITALISM can never stay in the form it strives to be without either #1 a one party system that is truly one party (that enforce free market ideals and nothing else), or a monarch. Otherwise what happens is what the usa is going through now. When the USA starts electing movie actors and CEOS of companies, buisnessmen, etc.  The ones in power with the most to gain...will turn the country to its own will.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic ***(whoops) now today with the... internet

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg Pt.3 When a republic has citizens who choose their own leaders according to how THEY see things...the free market will be pushed aside for more trivial things. People will demand entitlements, but yet still wish to be a superpower, military empire...etc. This is why a republic should not elect it's own. The most powerful and prosperous nations of the past were of #1 a dynasty, or monarch. At least then...you know who to overthrow if things go wrong.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic it's a trap! haha- sorry to dissapoint but then lets be more specific. The United States is a Constitutional Republic, if you want to be that preceise. And THAT is a different thing. Hire all the movie actors you want, but if they obey the constitution you won't see the damage that is being done today. Because the constitution does not allow for the governments interference in the market. What a constitutional republic does require to stay on track is a ...

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic well informed public- and for that you need good media. That's why I think we can do better with any system today, because we have the internet.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic I would agree with you on the one party statement. I think the two party system we have here is evil and designed to destroy the rule of law held in the constitution. Both parties here are destroying the constitution. Again you have to have an informed public to keep the rule of law (constitution) intact. And yes, capitalism is flawed without that. I would agree - that in the past - capitalism had no ability to exist as it needed to. But look today, now with the...

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic we have a growing movement to restore the constitution. The country is trying to fix itself! Simply because the people have been able to escape the clutches of a corrupt media and can now once again think for themselves. But without a free and uncorrupted press I would agree that capitalism is doomed to fail and that is why things have been steadily declining for decades now.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic before you go there- if China and Russia had a constitution as well then let's agree that it then depends on the quality of the document. Because just calling something a constitutional republic doesn't mean it is one. Those two countries are (were) really just dictatorships (by a small ruling class). My original point in making the distinction is that if we follow the rules the majority can't do whatever it wants, and so we are protected from the dangers of mob rule.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg Yeah it's the communists parties plan I would think. And for solving real problems? What do you expect? Pollution, underage workers, employer abuse, etc. These are all things the USA went though while industrializing too. in the early 1890's to 1920s the Western world had these problems as well. And it took us much longer to get where they are today (time wise)...and with a much smaller population even.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg Give it 50 years and china will turn into something like we've never seen before.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic I'm sure we will see something amazing in fifty years- they will be fully capitalist by then.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg Or maybe they could teach the world that a hybrid of the 2 is what was sustainable all along. Communism, capitalism....I'm not much partial to any of them.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic Also, even just sitting there these cities will slowly fall apart from erosion and the conditions of the environment. It's like keeping a car sitting in the driveway. After a few years it might not start. lol

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@PeaceRallyOrg And if a person makes sure fuel stabilizer was placed in the gas tank, and it gets started up every couple months. Then there's no problem. How do we know the "INVESTORS" aren't hiring or paying for the building upkeep? China has proven for the first time that a Communism/Capitalist sytem can exist, and make huge gains.

[PeaceRallyOrg]

@WisdomThroughLogic If you're paying for upkeep you're wasting more money than previously thought. Now you're arguing for a communist capitalist system? You realize you're talking about slave labor for most of the population, a small capitalist class that actually makes the money, and a ruling class to benefit from the whole thing. I want to live there! And can they violate my human rights to keep me a slave too?! The system you prescribe requires oppression, thats why it exists there.

[ikqz]

Crazy, all these new buildings and there's still a 150 million Chinese people living on less than $1 a day.

[Isreal4realz]

@ikqz different circumstances.

united states, consider the #1 developed nation in the world but over 30 million on food stamps and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of homeless people. also, tent cities, where literally thousands of people live together in an area in tents because they have no money. Why? different circumstances.

[WisdomThroughLogic]

@ikqz This will change. Their middle class is already greater than the population of the USA.