I like how he says I had hoped to be back this year under different circumstances running for re-election. I am sure that John McCain will say the exact same thing at the 2012 Republican Convention. Same with Palin. Palin will arrogantly claim how things like Fort Hood, and the attempted attack over Detroit on Christmas Day with the underwear bomber wouldn't have happened if their ticket had won 4 years earlier.
@greengringo2003 He is the rightful, popularly elected President of the United States, so show some respect - he deserves A LOT more respect and has a lot more widsom than George W. Bush!
@Claronium780 Popular vote doesn't matter in elections. Only the Electoral vote does. And Bush won because Congress dropped the ball and refused to contest the election results.
@iceman7213 The issue was over whether or not the contested Florida ballots counted. The Supreme Court has jurisdiction over that.
After the Supreme Court ruled on that, it was up to the Congressmen to challenge the election. If you've ever seen Fahrenheit 9/11, you'll see that no Senator and very few Congressmen wanted to contest the election because they felt it was drawn on long enough.
Oh yeah like everything was the republicans' fault! The Dems were the ones who blocked reigning in Freddie Mac and Fannie May, which doing so kept us from preventing this economic crisis! It was your "great president" Bill Clinton whose stupid "loans for everyone" started this by forcing the two giants to give out adjustable rate mortgages to people, most of which who couldn't afford them! And sure Iraq got screwed up but we turned it around and now we're about to withdraw from the citites
Contrary to popular belief, I'm an equal opportunity guy when it comes to the blame game, as long as we're honest. Dems share blame in the housing crisis. No doubt. BTW, I noticed you didn't mentioned George Bush with that "loans for everyone deal." Finally I was talking about IRAQ, which PALES in comparison to the results of deregulation. Be honest and tell us the cost of the Iraq war, started by YOUR President. We'll see if you can.
The war was expensive, maybe not the best idea, but its kept us safe along with the war in afghanistan. Havn't you not seen an attack on us since 9/11? And Saddam was getting close to getting weapons, we found he had the capacity to use them, and old warheads from the first gulf war, except they weren't what we were looking for. And I served in Iraq twice, I don't like your spitting on us soldiers for protecting you and your family from those terrorist bastards! Think about what we think!
Your points are SO easily refuted that you leave me no choice but to diss you not as an underinformed civilian. How is the war in Iraq keeping us safe when there was NO Al Qaeda in Iraq before our invasion? 2. What does "Saddam was getting close" mean? Kim Jon-Il is closer than Saddam EVER was to getting WMDs. I don't see you arguing for an invasion. Saddam was NOT a threat to the US. PEriod. YOur service in Iraq 1 and 2 doesn't give you carte blance on opinions. Simply said, you are wrong.
Finally, if you can't tell the difference between civilian leadership versus troop criticism, you're no better than Dick Cheney who in 04 blurred those lines.
Its dumb that you'd criticize me on being wrong from someone who was there! Those people deserve freedom and should not be abandoned! Saddam also only needed one bomb to do anything, which he would have, and he had enough based on intelligence that he could have eventually had a nuclear weapon. He was also a bad leader and brutal dictator, on the lines of Hitler when described as terrible. We did the right thing throwing him out, and the people thanked us all the time for it God bless US
We disagree. Thanks for your service. However, it's not a good idea to cloak yourself in the air of ultimate authority on national security issues because you were there. I'm not challenging your bravery; hell, many people would never enlist. BUT, you accused me of "spitting on soldiers." Anyone who accused this former cadet Lieutenant Colonel / cadet Battalion Commander, son of a veteran, and personal friend of Iraq war veterans of "spitting on troops" loses credibility. This ain't Vietnam.
We disagree yes, but calling the war a mistake hurts us because we believe in the cause sir. I Know this ain't nam but its still got unpopular sentimite like Vietnam did. The people need to stand by us and believe with us, not say its a mistake but claim to support us. thats all i'm saying. George W Bush is a hero for what he did to the iraqis and afghans, and he'll be remembered positively for it. Why is LBJ at the top 15 on a couple lists (though i strongly disagree)
I respect your opinion. Dissent is something you fight for. In the name of preserving the Union, we lost 3000+ lives and 100,000+ Iraqi civilians. THAT is center of my criticism. I could have supported target air strikes that would have taken out Saddam. There's a distinction between standing by troops vs. the "decider." You know I'm not denigrating the troops. But I have no respect/honor for George W Bush; his father? Yes. Reagan? Some. Ford? Definitely. Bush is no hero.
Well I wouldn't say Bush is no hero. The iraqis always were chanting his name and were saying how much they loved and owed him a lot. They are even going to build a statue of him. Why no respect/honor for him? He kept you safe and waged a war that will ultimately make our children live in a safer world. Barack Obama's plan seems feasable for withdrawal, though i prefer 24 months, but I'm hoping he slows it down if things get rough.
How did George W. Bush keep me safe when 9/11 wasn't prevented under his administration? Conservatives ROUTINELY make this argument, skipping over the biggest homeland attack in the nations history. He DID NOT keep us safe.
You know the attack could have been prevented if Clinton went after Obama in 1993, 1995, and after the attack in Yemen in 2000 on a vessel of ours. It was a surprise attack to, not able to be seen at all.
I'm not defending Clinton, your point might have credibility; but it doesn't let George W. Bush off the hook. YOu say "it was not able to be seen." Not true. He and his team specifically received a Presidential Daily Brief entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S." in which it suggested that airliners would be used in such an attack. THAT was ignored! Unlike the attacks you mention, however, this is on the homeland!!! His oath was to "protect and defend the United States." He didn't.
Was there any specific date in the data? Probably not, just a threat warning. And all those attacks were on American embasies (soil technically) or on our military. Tthey shouldn't have been taken lightly. Clinton himself has said if he knew 9/11 was going to happen he would have done exactly what George W bush did. BTW the oath is to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" of course he swore to protect us, but the threat seemed like a joke because it was so unlikely
Terrorists typically don't give their enemies dates for launching wars, ESPECIALLY unorganized guerrilla organizations like Al Qaeda. Also, you equate the lack of a full scale war to Clinton taking Bin Laden "lightly." He tried to get Bin Laden but failed. Was he perfect? No. Not at all. In fact, he shares blame. But that is beside the point. George W. Bush received actionable intelligence about Bin Laden. He failed to act. You can't indict Clinton and ignore Republican failures. It's dishonest.
I'm not saying we should give George W bush a pass, he should have been more serious about it. What I meant was I was wondering if the public would support a pre-emptive strike on them. They did Iraq mainly becaue of 9/11 and that we were afraid Al Qaeda was in Iraq, not to mention WMDs, but at that time and how early it was for Bush in office, the public would probably not have taken it and let him do it. Still should have acted thinking back though.
In 2004, the Democrats should have suspended the primaries and offered the nomination to Gore/Leiberman. After what happened in 2000, they should have been given the right to take back what had been stolen from them.
The best time for him to run was 2008. Idk if he would have been able to win in that year despite the support he'd get because Bush still would have won all the votes he got, and would have won by a similar margin.
John Kerry should have been Al Gore's running mate instead of Lieberman. He would have won easily.
BitterWaterTunnel 11 months ago
Bush became president but Gore was the real winner and went on to win the Nobel peace prize and he's leading the fight to stop the climate crisis.
BitterWaterTunnel 11 months ago
The 43rd President!
RavenMichaels 1 year ago
I like how he says I had hoped to be back this year under different circumstances running for re-election. I am sure that John McCain will say the exact same thing at the 2012 Republican Convention. Same with Palin. Palin will arrogantly claim how things like Fort Hood, and the attempted attack over Detroit on Christmas Day with the underwear bomber wouldn't have happened if their ticket had won 4 years earlier.
redsoxfan426 1 year ago
Bush did NOT deserve reelection - but he did not deserve to be elected in the first place even more !
Claronium780 1 year ago
Drone on, Sex Poodle . . . drone on, environmental FRAUD.
greengringo2003 1 year ago
@greengringo2003 He is the rightful, popularly elected President of the United States, so show some respect - he deserves A LOT more respect and has a lot more widsom than George W. Bush!
Claronium780 1 year ago
@Claronium780 Popular vote doesn't matter in elections. Only the Electoral vote does. And Bush won because Congress dropped the ball and refused to contest the election results.
CircusofPython 1 year ago
Why did the Supreme Court have to rule on the 2000 Election anyway? Isn't Congress supposed to resolve election issues?
iceman7213 1 year ago
@iceman7213 The issue was over whether or not the contested Florida ballots counted. The Supreme Court has jurisdiction over that.
After the Supreme Court ruled on that, it was up to the Congressmen to challenge the election. If you've ever seen Fahrenheit 9/11, you'll see that no Senator and very few Congressmen wanted to contest the election because they felt it was drawn on long enough.
CircusofPython 1 year ago
As a senator of connecticut too. He is going to lose in 2012!
SuperPiano123 2 years ago
He still can't get over his loss in 2000 can he? Asshole
Coolioman07 2 years ago
Seeing what happened to the country under the alternative, could you? Asshole.
ns0710 2 years ago
Oh yeah like everything was the republicans' fault! The Dems were the ones who blocked reigning in Freddie Mac and Fannie May, which doing so kept us from preventing this economic crisis! It was your "great president" Bill Clinton whose stupid "loans for everyone" started this by forcing the two giants to give out adjustable rate mortgages to people, most of which who couldn't afford them! And sure Iraq got screwed up but we turned it around and now we're about to withdraw from the citites
Coolioman07 2 years ago
Contrary to popular belief, I'm an equal opportunity guy when it comes to the blame game, as long as we're honest. Dems share blame in the housing crisis. No doubt. BTW, I noticed you didn't mentioned George Bush with that "loans for everyone deal." Finally I was talking about IRAQ, which PALES in comparison to the results of deregulation. Be honest and tell us the cost of the Iraq war, started by YOUR President. We'll see if you can.
ns0710 2 years ago
The war was expensive, maybe not the best idea, but its kept us safe along with the war in afghanistan. Havn't you not seen an attack on us since 9/11? And Saddam was getting close to getting weapons, we found he had the capacity to use them, and old warheads from the first gulf war, except they weren't what we were looking for. And I served in Iraq twice, I don't like your spitting on us soldiers for protecting you and your family from those terrorist bastards! Think about what we think!
Coolioman07 2 years ago
Your points are SO easily refuted that you leave me no choice but to diss you not as an underinformed civilian. How is the war in Iraq keeping us safe when there was NO Al Qaeda in Iraq before our invasion? 2. What does "Saddam was getting close" mean? Kim Jon-Il is closer than Saddam EVER was to getting WMDs. I don't see you arguing for an invasion. Saddam was NOT a threat to the US. PEriod. YOur service in Iraq 1 and 2 doesn't give you carte blance on opinions. Simply said, you are wrong.
ns0710 2 years ago
Finally, if you can't tell the difference between civilian leadership versus troop criticism, you're no better than Dick Cheney who in 04 blurred those lines.
ns0710 2 years ago
Its dumb that you'd criticize me on being wrong from someone who was there! Those people deserve freedom and should not be abandoned! Saddam also only needed one bomb to do anything, which he would have, and he had enough based on intelligence that he could have eventually had a nuclear weapon. He was also a bad leader and brutal dictator, on the lines of Hitler when described as terrible. We did the right thing throwing him out, and the people thanked us all the time for it God bless US
Coolioman07 2 years ago
We disagree. Thanks for your service. However, it's not a good idea to cloak yourself in the air of ultimate authority on national security issues because you were there. I'm not challenging your bravery; hell, many people would never enlist. BUT, you accused me of "spitting on soldiers." Anyone who accused this former cadet Lieutenant Colonel / cadet Battalion Commander, son of a veteran, and personal friend of Iraq war veterans of "spitting on troops" loses credibility. This ain't Vietnam.
ns0710 2 years ago
We disagree yes, but calling the war a mistake hurts us because we believe in the cause sir. I Know this ain't nam but its still got unpopular sentimite like Vietnam did. The people need to stand by us and believe with us, not say its a mistake but claim to support us. thats all i'm saying. George W Bush is a hero for what he did to the iraqis and afghans, and he'll be remembered positively for it. Why is LBJ at the top 15 on a couple lists (though i strongly disagree)
Coolioman07 2 years ago
I respect your opinion. Dissent is something you fight for. In the name of preserving the Union, we lost 3000+ lives and 100,000+ Iraqi civilians. THAT is center of my criticism. I could have supported target air strikes that would have taken out Saddam. There's a distinction between standing by troops vs. the "decider." You know I'm not denigrating the troops. But I have no respect/honor for George W Bush; his father? Yes. Reagan? Some. Ford? Definitely. Bush is no hero.
ns0710 2 years ago
Well I wouldn't say Bush is no hero. The iraqis always were chanting his name and were saying how much they loved and owed him a lot. They are even going to build a statue of him. Why no respect/honor for him? He kept you safe and waged a war that will ultimately make our children live in a safer world. Barack Obama's plan seems feasable for withdrawal, though i prefer 24 months, but I'm hoping he slows it down if things get rough.
Coolioman07 2 years ago
How did George W. Bush keep me safe when 9/11 wasn't prevented under his administration? Conservatives ROUTINELY make this argument, skipping over the biggest homeland attack in the nations history. He DID NOT keep us safe.
ns0710 2 years ago 4
You know the attack could have been prevented if Clinton went after Obama in 1993, 1995, and after the attack in Yemen in 2000 on a vessel of ours. It was a surprise attack to, not able to be seen at all.
Coolioman07 2 years ago
I'm not defending Clinton, your point might have credibility; but it doesn't let George W. Bush off the hook. YOu say "it was not able to be seen." Not true. He and his team specifically received a Presidential Daily Brief entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S." in which it suggested that airliners would be used in such an attack. THAT was ignored! Unlike the attacks you mention, however, this is on the homeland!!! His oath was to "protect and defend the United States." He didn't.
ns0710 2 years ago
Was there any specific date in the data? Probably not, just a threat warning. And all those attacks were on American embasies (soil technically) or on our military. Tthey shouldn't have been taken lightly. Clinton himself has said if he knew 9/11 was going to happen he would have done exactly what George W bush did. BTW the oath is to "protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" of course he swore to protect us, but the threat seemed like a joke because it was so unlikely
Coolioman07 2 years ago
Terrorists typically don't give their enemies dates for launching wars, ESPECIALLY unorganized guerrilla organizations like Al Qaeda. Also, you equate the lack of a full scale war to Clinton taking Bin Laden "lightly." He tried to get Bin Laden but failed. Was he perfect? No. Not at all. In fact, he shares blame. But that is beside the point. George W. Bush received actionable intelligence about Bin Laden. He failed to act. You can't indict Clinton and ignore Republican failures. It's dishonest.
ns0710 2 years ago
I'm not saying we should give George W bush a pass, he should have been more serious about it. What I meant was I was wondering if the public would support a pre-emptive strike on them. They did Iraq mainly becaue of 9/11 and that we were afraid Al Qaeda was in Iraq, not to mention WMDs, but at that time and how early it was for Bush in office, the public would probably not have taken it and let him do it. Still should have acted thinking back though.
Coolioman07 2 years ago
Well...LBJ only signed major civil rights legislation. LOL. Vietnam was his downfall, which is why he didn't run.
ns0710 2 years ago
If Gore had this energy in 2000, he would have destroyed Dubya by a big margin!
terjer01 2 years ago 2
That "little known third category"....LOL!
sammiesmith 2 years ago
President Al Gore
chadpopstar 3 years ago 22
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Oh man- i fell asleep with this guy talking. Laid here slumped over my computer for hours...he can really put you out.
ZX2ManDave 3 years ago
why did you listen then stupid?
666bushisnazi666 2 years ago
I like a little comedy dumbass.
BTW, Obama is the Anti Christ.
ZX2ManDave 2 years ago
In 2004, the Democrats should have suspended the primaries and offered the nomination to Gore/Leiberman. After what happened in 2000, they should have been given the right to take back what had been stolen from them.
Its a pity Gore didn't run that year in any case.
airdriver 3 years ago 4
The best time for him to run was 2008. Idk if he would have been able to win in that year despite the support he'd get because Bush still would have won all the votes he got, and would have won by a similar margin.
Coolioman07 2 years ago
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he's such a bitch
roosterrocks 3 years ago
Yeah he would've made a great President but would Joe Lieberman have made a good vice-president?
gurney50 3 years ago 3
Lieberman was a mistake.
ns0710 2 years ago 4
As a senator too!
SuperPiano123 2 years ago
@ns0710 I agree with you.Imagine today Lieberman as president.We already lauch an attack on Iran by nov 5 2008.Just to please his beloved Israel.
Lieberman should run in Israel,the only country he cares anyways.
resnoex1 1 year ago
Al Gore was the rightful president.
HALOMARO 3 years ago 15
Former President Al Gore
ns0710 2 years ago
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fuck al gore!
antiTyph0n06 3 years ago