SEIPAI

[xCHuYz]

this is not a SHito Ruy style.

[sengokunadeko123]

もうちょっと、画質がよければパーフェクト!

[piano0011]

Is Shito Ryu similar to Shukokai because I thought this kata looks similar to what I used to learn when I did Shukokai.

[sweetasiansugar]

weak, useless, incomplete movements, slow, predictable who in the hell would want to practice this crap

[Yamtendo]

THIS GUY IS SO BAD ASS.

[senseiince]

This Kata is WKF Goju Ryu version. Not Shito Ryu version. If you would like to learn Shito Ryu Seipa, please check this link at youtube.com/watch?v=GqNtANnhvU­c&feature=related

[fuKdaKKKSnNIGGAS]

@mymyharlow what is that? and what style is this?

[fuKdaKKKSnNIGGAS]

this kata is great. i hate it because i always lose every one of my international tournaments to this kata

[taipan3888]

Beautiful kata. Bunkai is brutal. I like.

[HeathenAngel]

MUCH better than taekwondo forms.

[sposavec]

Nr. 1 - Ichiban !!!

[brinnonvallere]

im not this style, but this sure looks solid

[teddywinroth]

wonderful kata.. lousy camera

[RNLarkin]

Nice Form

Muy Bien!!

[MAQQABA1]

para terminar, TERUO HAYASHI fue entrenador de la seleccion de kata de japon. atsuko wakai y ryouki abe estuvieron bajo su batuta. las caracteristicas de velocidad y soltura del kata son parte de su enseñanza. con hayashi, ambos, aprendieron a perfeccionar los katas de ryuey ryu pq, con sus katas de goju ryu dificilmente hubieran sido campeones.

[MAQQABA1]

ciertamente el kata pertenece a goju ryu. en los campeonatos WKF es el shitei de goju ryu aunque tbn shito ryu lo hace (shito tiene su version de seipai) pero de la manera de goju pq es mas apto para competicion. por ultimo hay algunos IGNORANTES O BURROS q menosprecian el legado de teruo hayashi y lo hacen pq son BURROS y no estudian mas q su estilo. el karate es un gran universo, nunca se deja de aprender. hayashi dejo una gran enseñanza por eso es un gran maestro hasta ahora.

[yoyomuddy]

Amazing

[piratillacibernetico]

excellent, very influenced from Hayashi-Ha kata

[smokes168]

hayashi-ha isnt even one of the major styles. Its a shitoryu branch. If u have observed enough of hayashi-ha you will notice that their speciality is short cut movements.

This on the other hand is seipai, which is a pure gojuryu kata.

And goju is one of the major styles. So tell me, how is it the seipai that Abe is performing influenced by hayashi-ha IN ANY WAY?

lol really absurd...

[piratillacibernetico]

it is not absurd, seipai is a naha te kata (goju ryu is not the owner of naha te), Hayashi Teruo influence karatekas from all styles including shito kai stilist, this is very obvious in the way he is positioning the hips, and yes hayashi ha practicioners can do naha te kata as well as goju ryu practicioners

[gojuryukarateka]

I agree with piratillacibernetico. This version of Seipai is the Shito-ryu derivative and is the Hayashi-ha version.

[gojuryukarateka]

Actually its the Goju-ryu shitei version, which is basically the same as the Shito-ryu shitei version.

[yoshiharubuntarosan]

Which Shito school version? I think you are mistaken there are meny diferencies betwen shito and goju seipai, enbusen, technick in bunkai and etc. Its seems same but it is not the same. This kata is original version of JKF Gojukai shitei kata.

[dynamic21]

There is no Shito-ryu shitei version of seipai lol...

[Mocktezuma111]

Agreed this is a GOJU-RYU KATA

[ihbo7]

actually this kata was influenced by shito-ryu tht was a major style back in the day no gojuryu has come foward so it looks like this is where it came from but it wasn't

[extreme100rpd]

goju ryu is from the same origin of shito... so you should think about whath you said

[dzisai]

Good work.

[sporovnicek]

HE IS THE BEST!!

[EASEDIGEST]

OOS,BEUTIFUL TECHNIQUE.

[hungariangladiator]

he's the big lettered MASTER!

[karateboy101]

this mans kata is very strong and fluid and with very good form im immpressed

[ronniedeenwho]

Love the comments on the 'McDojos', isn't it funny how an organisation like the KUGB gets away with charging ridiculous amounts of money for teaching sub-standard karate year after year?

Seriously though, it is the individual students, and not the teacher. There are poor and great karateka at my club, but the sensei should definately set the bar for the students, which is where my beef with KUGB starts and ends. Every sensei I've seen just brings with him a massive ego, and the karate suffers

[tamashii14]

Abe's Karate is excellent. I have seen very few karateka with such fluidity, power and technique. A real champion of kata.

[HoYanJian]

Impecable :D

[KelleyKat]

I like it. I want to do it like that!!!

[kylon100]

i've come from a McDojo. but like all karateka you get some that are exceptional, and some that aren't, it doesn't matter what school they are from. i've seen some garbage at all levels from many countries. i choose to watch those with tallent, and hope those without, train harder.

don't all true masters teach to leave the ego at home?

but i really wanted to say that Abe's kata is amazing! it definately makes you want to see what else he can do.

thanks for posting!

[NMCK69]

Point is, that we have what we have, each of us. IF we train and learn and SHARE, in the spirit of appreciating and learning from our differences, Instead of bickering, what we each have will only become stronger. The essence is there in ANY system that has atleast maintained the core: for what it's worth. Won't argue, but msg. me if you'd like to discuss.

[CarNikolaj]

@NMCK69 If we want to have any chance to become stronger, we have to throw out things that are bad.

[NMCK69]

@CarNikolaj: True enough. Also, "in the eye of the beholder..." I find things that I find not to be worth much; I use these things to copare and reflect against what I have and others that I do find worthwhile. I suppose it's just that I don't care to toss out my negative views all that often. Thank you for your comment.

[NMCK69]

As Miyagi taught each of his uchi-deshi, I believe that each may have learned with slight but distinct differences. Masters are known to have done this for many reasons: deshis' individual strengths/weaknesses/goals etc.; to ensure that no single deshi got "it all" and thus all deshi would HAVE to go to the others to get the whole system; time and growth in Miyagi's own understanding. Contd.---

[NMCK69]

Just a thougth on "old way" vs. "new way." I see different ways. Miyagi undoubtedly MADE what he felt was right from what he LEARNED. He inturn taught to his deshi. There is ofcourse a basic way: in Okinawa most dojo are very close to the same in kata, with small differences. Contd.---

[BRUNETTEBABE45]

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[nateco100]

wow! After reading your comments I see how far I am from being an specialist in Karate. After so many years practicing it I see that I'm still a little child learning its first steps.

Thank you for the nice video

Renato - Brazil

[fbling]

Just because you've learnt some Goju-kai and read my old sensei's book doesn't mean YOU were right! You can't take Yamaguchi Gogen's version and assume its THE Last Say in Goju-ryu. It is but one version, and not even the Okinawan version. I was merely referring to the WHOLE Goju-ryu system whereas you were not!!

[kirokyukan]

It's funny how you seem more knowledgable after I refreshed your memory. Did you forget what Yamaguchi taught? Apparently when you jumped ship from your former org, you also forgot the dojo kun - HONESTY, LOYALTY, INTEGRITY, respect, gratitude, and compassion. But of course if you ever had any sense of loyalty you would still be doing Goju Kai.

[fbling]

Since you've gone from serious mode back to smart-ass Dickhead mode, and instead of talking facts, throw wild assumptions I'll just have to educate you one last time!

[fbling]

The reason why Goju-kai split and many of us left was because it was discovered that the late Yamaguchi Gogen embezzled funds from the Goju-kai. The honbu dojo, a great massive building was built using the kai's funds, and was originally public property of all the kai members.

[fbling]

Instead the Honbu dojo was registered as Gogen's private property, without the approval of the kai's committee members. He had used a massive amount of Gojukai funds for personal use inappropriately. That was when the Goju-kai split.

[fbling]

He "stole" from the Kai-and this was public knowledge. He betrayed the Dojo-kun, and many senior members left, quite disillusioned. You are a prick because you like making sweeping assumptions when you're obviously but a young man who does not know the facts.

[fbling]

I agree with Goju108, you're a dick because you're so eager to prove you're right always that you force people to dredge up the ugly past that we want to forget, Richard Kim, Yamaguchi Gogen. It's pointless replying to your ill-informed, ill-argued and ignorant emails. So long dick-head, grow up some time!!

[fbling]

And don't bother searching for an appropriate reply. It's obvious you ddn't know Richard Kim's or Yamaguchi's past, or d diff btw Goju-kai & Goju-ryu, can't tell that Rivasgo's kata has one kick less than the old version, can't tell dat Don Warrener's kata's kiten is diff. fr Ryouki n goju kata need not return to the same spot. Good bye!!

[kirokyukan]

fbling Force people to dredge up memories??? Sweeping assumptions??? Perhaps some of my history is ill informed, but I can only go on what I have read. Besides it has been you, Budo Master, who has been displaying poor diplomacy. Do you really think I should have gave up simply because you called me names? BTW if you are doing Kata in a new and different way then you used to. It is because you are doing things the NEW way. I prefer to fight in the OLD style, never mind the politics.

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

I know I'm joining the debate a little late but, Kirokyukan, actually the Goju-kai versions you seem to be learning are the new way. Yamaguchi Gogen changed them even in Chojun Miyagi's life-time.

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

I am also learning Okinawan Goju-ryu and my sensei explained to me where Yamaguchi and Peter Urban actually changed the original version. The Sanseru for example, like fbling was saying, Yamaguchi took one kick out, the idea being that the first kick should be the fatal kick. You are the guy doing the new way. No offence, just trying to help:)

[kirokyukan]

Watch Sanseru by Johnnwonny He lands on his embusan while still doing the Oki version. The Idea of landing on your embusan is at the heart of every Budo Kata I have ever practiced. There is some philisophical meaning to it like we all came from the dust and return to it aswell or something to that effect.

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

Hi Kirokyukan, that's GKR, they aren't really Okinawan Goju-ryu, they're actually GoKanRyu of the UK, a hybrid of shitoryu, shotokan n Gojuryu. Anyway, notice that he did both kicks standing at the same spot, whereas Okinawan Goju-ryu deos kick-step forward and kick n step forward again. That's why he could return to the same spot. Sorry but you're incorrect that he's doing Oki-gojuryu.

[kirokyukan]

Sorry about the mistake but it looked very similar to the Oki versions I have been seeing. It would seem to me that they understand your bunkai better though since the way he performs the double is the way it would have to be executed according to Oki Bunkai.

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

Yes they do pretty good kata. However the Bunkai is to kick, anticipate the opponent jumping back, but as he does, big step in and kick deep, timing it to when he's moving back. So their standing still to do two kicks imply a slightly different bunkai.

[kirokyukan]

Take a look at MirageMusil Sanseru Bunkai. Is this not the Oki interpretaion of what is going on?

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

That is basic IOGKF grading bunkai. However, this is the practiceable version. The one I described of kicking the guy n making him fly 10feet, that's the unpracticeable version, because you'd hurt the partner.

[kirokyukan]

10 feet away??? Then why bother with the second Kick since it would clearly miss. If MirageMusil has the IOGKF's accepted bunkai then it should be practiced the way it would be applied. Besides people don't tend to fly ten feet while you are holding on to their leg.

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

You misunderstood, if the first kick takes the guy out, great. If the guy jumps back to avoid it, as he's jumpin back or not recovered his balance, move in deep n second kick, using HIS momentum, propels him far far away. The second kick assumes that the hands may no longer be holding the leg.

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

Besides MirageMusil's bunkai is IOGKF's basic grading bunkai for (if I recall correctly) nidan and below. There's further bunkai that's not considered "kihon" and only taught to nidan and above. One of these is the 2 kicks described, another is glancing the opponent's kick off the waist by twisting and then grab his leg etc...I know IOGKF has several levels of bunkai for every kata.

[kirokyukan]

I understand how there are many different interpretations to the Bunkai. But a front kick followed by a lunging front kick is a entirely different technique then the "basic" Bunkai IOGKF seems to be teaching. In order to apply the basic bunkai you would need to do it in the manner MirageMusil is performin it. On the flip side though I feel it would be easier to apply the "advanced" bunkai you described.

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

Sure thing. However, basic Bunkai is the syllabus to be practiced, it is not necessarily the easiest bunkai (if its easy why practice it?). The one I described is difinitely easier to apply in concept, but it is not practiceable because if you got the timing wrong, it's no different from a normal double kick, if you do it right, you hurt the partner (either groin kick or the gut kick). If he doesn't fly several feet, you dunno if it worked, if he does, he's injured. That's the problem.

[shitoryustudent]

Bunkai in my dojo is concidered practical application so you do what you would actaly do in real life.

[Yakumounr]

Please don't lay the blame for that viral rubbish on the UK, GKR spawned in Australia.

[Yakumounr]

Please don't lay the blame for GKR on the UK, that viral ru**ish spawned in Australia.

[Yakumounr]

oops, 1st comment hadn't seemed to post.

[vbadkarateNmcdojos]

Yes GKR was from Australia, but compared to many mcdojos, they are actually quite good.

[fbling]

You can always tell a fake karateka from a real is when he only quotes from books. Who is your sensei, how long have you learnt? All the world champions and masters of past and present have done it wrong, according to the quote you gleamed off Gogen's book.

[kirokyukan]

WTF are you talkling about, Quoting Books??? I tried to share my own input but you did not believe me, so how else was I to prove you were supposed to land on your embusan? So if Gogen is right then yes all your "world champions" are doing it wrong. I cant believe that I bring you indisputable evidence and you are still going to deny the truth.

[kirokyukan]

Not that his name would mean much to a German, but my Senseis name is Gary Cole, and I have been practicing Karate, Iaido, Jodo, and Tai Chi for close to a decade. I also do Judo but I have only recently began this endeavour.

[kirokyukan]

fbling P.S. I really don't care how the tournament circuit is performing their Katas these days, because everybody knows these are based more on politics then skill. You can't honestly tell me that in all the years you have claimed to study you have not seen anything change.

[fbling]

Sure, there has been a revival these last 10 years and changes for the better, skipping the distortions of the 70s and 80s and going back to pre-war.

[fbling]

Since you are more serious today, I'd like to point out that there's some difference btw Jap karate and Oki-karate. When karate spread to Japan, Japs felt that kata were no more than for show. They made it tidy and pretty.

[fbling]

But in the last 20 years the Okis are reclaiming their heritage, teaching kata d old way n techniques d old way, focussing on power n effectiveness n bunkai rather than tidiness and grace n beauty that the Japs prefer.

[fbling]

So when you quote Yamaguchi Gogen sensei, you're referring to the Japanese perspective on Gojuryu kata. If you go back to Okinawa, few people would bother with these sort of "show" thing such as ending on the embusan. There's no right or wrong in not ending on the same spot, it depends on if you are pro-Oki or Pro-Jap.

[fbling]

The Japs would deny any diff. between Oki n Jap karate, but 4 eg., Jap Goju would have yido-movement in neat tidy steps of regular distance, but Oki Goju emphasizes "sliding" kinda like ice-skating n also many "half-stances" more like Chinese kung-fu, so d better the Oki-kata, the further you slide n more difficult to return to same spot. Savvy?

[kirokyukan]

fbling Nice way to save face, after you told me I was an amateure, kid, from the boondocks who didn't know shit, and even a fake Karateka, for proving you wrong. I thought you said you read EVERY book on Goju??? If that statement were true perhaps you would been kinder with your words Sensei??? Excuse me for doing things the way they used to be taught. Yours in Budo: Kirokyukan

[fbling]

Yes I said I read every book including this one. However you said "EVERY GOJU-RYU" kata ends on the embusan. However as I've said, Jap Goju and Oki goju is different. Goju-kai is Jap goju, deliberately altered to end back on the same spot, Oki-Goju, the original one, was never altered for such frivilous purposes.

[fbling]

Rivasgo's kata is GOJU-KAI, the same version that I used to do in Goju-kai. Unless you think Goju-kai is representative of all Goju, and all the Okinawans' Gojuryu are bastardised versions (most Okinwans would tell you the other way round.)

[fbling]

Just replying because you're so smug in your imagined victory, please note the rivasgo's sanseru has only one mae-geri whereas the Original Okinawan version had 2 kicks, the first is actually a kin-geri upwards to the groin (using the ball of the foot) the second is a Mae-geri into the gut as the guy jumps back/bends forward to avoid the groin kick.

[fbling]

If you take one kick and a large forward step away from the kata, of course you'll end up back in the same spot. I don't deny that ALL Goju-Kai (Japnese)katas end on the same spot as the embusan. I'm refuting your statement "All Goju-ryu katas" end on the same spot. All Goju-ryu includes Gojukai, jundokan, IOGKF and others. The others don't end back on the embusan and its not a requirement!!!

[fbling]

KIROKYUKAN, I'm still waiting to know which book you read that says Goju-ryu katas will always end on the embusan?

[kirokyukan]

Goju ryu Karate Do Kyohan By Gogen Yamaguchi

[fbling]

Really? I thought you said Japs could not be trusted? And you also admitted that Ryouki and Higaonna don't return to the embusan. And then why haven't you tried posting a video of yourself to show us? Back to reading books again? You're just a book n theory karateka, go back to your books.

[riesbuck42]

People stop teasing kirokyukan, can't u see he's green w envy? Shame on u! He says he's a 26 yr old Canadian kid who likes Teenage mutant Ninja turtles n harry potter, who aspires to learn martial arts, What can be nicer than that?? stop winding him up!!

[fbling]

Kirokyukan, you actually think Ryouki does this kata better than Higaonna Morio Sensei? And which book of Goju-ryu did you read? Since I've read every book on Goju-ryu, I'd dearly like to know which one teaches ending on the embusan! Shotokan katas yes, but Goju-ryu katas? I'd like to watch someone try!!!

[kirokyukan]

LOL You actually think the teacher can not surpass the student??? HA HA HA That has to be the biggest bunch of B.S. I have ever heard. ROTFLMFAO Did your instructors teach you that??? Of Course Ryouki does better Kata than Higaonna.

[fbling]

I think Ryouki would be embarraseed to even compare himself to Higaonna. Competitors in WKF are what? 3rd Dan, and comparing him to a 9th Dan? Have you met Ryouki or Higaonna? I have and I have trained with both. Not only so, Higaonna's kata is many many times more powerful than Ryouki, any karate-ka can tell with one look!!! Are you sure you know karate. I think you're not even qualified to comment!

[fbling]

I've been referee to many tournaments, personally seen the kata done by Yamaguchi Sensei, Higaonna Sensei, Chinen Sensei, and many masters at 5 Dan and above (which Ryouki is not yet), have you?

[Goju108]

here's my 2 pence's worth: WKF has become its own style. If you want to win, you must do what the judges expect of you. He does a pretty neat Kata here, Goju-ryu and Shitoryu mixture, like many of the WKF katas, so I agree with Pecherin its not Okinawan Goju-ryu. & No, kirokyukan in many katas you're not supposed to land on the embusan.

[Pecherin72]

It's really pretty, but I've seen better. WKF style with shitoryu rythem is just so neat and pretty, but sorry, it's not too Goju-ryu and I don't like it.

[kirokyukan]

Pecherin72 Did you train with Miyagi Sensei? If not then your oppinion is a joke. Some guy the can't even land on his embusan is going to try and tell Ryouki he is wrong. I bet you never once stopped to consider your varation may be incorrect, maybe thats why you don't end in the right spot?

[Pecherin72]

You must be referring to Kururunfa, actually in IOGKF you're not supposed to land in the same spot. Maybe you should stop to think that landing on your embusan isn't the be all and end all of kata. I train with IOGKF, Higaonna Sensei's version.

[Pecherin72]

Though I won't dare to say my kata is even close to good. I'll train hard but I'd prefer the end product to look like Higaonna Sensei's or Miyagi Anichi Sensei's version than this version here, that's all I'm saying. As for you, I don't think you understand the difference between WKF kata and IOGKF and Shitoryu kata.

[Pecherin72]

He does a pretty kata, but for WKF tournaments he's had to make them short and sharp and add long pauses to it. This may be the designated shitei kata of Goju-ryu for WKF tournaments, but it's actually more the Shitoryu Seipai. that's why I said its not too Goju-ryu and I prefer the Okinawan Goju-ryu version.

[Pecherin72]

It's got Shitoryu all over it and shuri-te in it's movements, stances and hand movements. I'll know it, I learnt Shitoryu from 10 years old till 22 years old, many many years ago, but will recognise it anywhere. I hope you understand a little more by now!

[Pecherin72]

There's plenty of Higaonna, Teruo Chinen and Yamaguchi kururunfa clips, go watch'em first.

[fbling]

Since when MUST kata always end on the embusan? That's some amateur's mis-conception neh?LOL Don't spread such rumours about karate kata, students might be misguided by that crap!!!!

[kirokyukan]

Since every book I have read on the subject ALL tell me to start and finsh on the same spot. I thought this was common knowledge among any good martial artists. What are you talking about when you say "amateur", are you saying that you are a professional Karateka? ROTFLMFAO

[Goju108]

Ryouki does good kata. Your books suck stop readin'em boy, n git some real sensei 2 teach ya kata n stop writin dah silly stuff U wrote.

[kirokyukan]

But I guess you are right, it is not a MUST for a Kata to start and finish on the same spot. It is only a MUST if you wish to perform your Kata correctly.

[fbling]

Learning karate from books eh? I dunno why I bother to reply to this amateur?! Check Higaonna, Teruo Chinen videos yourself. And then You try returning to the same spot in say, Sanseru, or kururunfa. Idiot do your research before voice your childish opinions.

[fbling]

I've learnt karate from Yamaguchi Sensei and later Higaonna Sensei over the last 36 years, but you read your books, I guess you're now the expert. Why not go check on Higaonna's videos, watch, learn, and shut up!

[kirokyukan]

You learned from Yamaguchi Sensei??? And Higaonna???Was this all from tapes??? fbling from Germany??? So what might your name be ... with those credentials you must be well known.

[fbling]

I'm not well known. I'm only a lowly 6th Dan in Goju-ryu. I got my 3rd Dan from Yamaguchi Gogen Sensei. I learnt from Higaonna Shihan for 10 years after that. I am nobody, so don't worry.

[fbling]

"From the tapes"? You are presumptious. So what if I'm from Germany? Obviously you don't know the history of the spread of Goju-ryu in Europe and the world. There are many people who have learnt from Yamaguchi and Higaonna and are still alive. Anyone who is above 50 years old, basically.

[kirokyukan]

fbling HA HA HA You sound like another Martial 'Artist' who thinks his belt rank (that he PAID for) matters. Make sure to tell your assailant that he can't stab you because you have a sixth dan.

[fbling]

So now I bought my belt? What a loser you are. If you're crap at MMA, you should go back n practise more. Hope you don't lose your next fight again.

[kirokyukan]

Who said I do MMA? Now who is being presumptious? And yes you did BUY your belt, or did your federation stop charging for gradings? Perhaps they cut that out when they gave up their politics???

[fbling]

What a loser. Did you learn much from the Ninja turtles? Which book on karate did you read? Harry Potter? I don't think you're 26, from the immaturity of your replies, you're more like 8 or 12.

[kirokyukan]

fbling Ah resorting to name calling ... now who is being immature? I have only read a few books on Karate such as Karate do Kyohan, Mas Oyamas Karte School, Warreners Advanced Goju, some book by eter Urban which apparently left little impression on me since I no longer remember it's name.

[fbling]

That's it? Peter Urban and Don Warrener? Did they tell you every kata must return on the embusan? Strange because it can't be done! Ack, I fogot, you don't know goju-ryu kata!!!!

[Goju108]

Say, I learn from Higaonna Sensei. Infact just met him last week, What's dah big deal?

[kirokyukan]

Goju108 Being part of IOGKF and being Higaonnas' student are two different things. My Sensei knows my name and I MET him 10 years ago, not last week.

[Goju108]

I know the difference very well, seeing him again today. Thank you very much for trying to educate me.

[kirokyukan]

So Higaonna lives in the U.K. now??? When did he move there? Or do you mean to say you attend his seminars? He also conducts Seminars in Canada which I could attend if I wished, but would never LIE and claim him to be my instructor.

[Goju108]

Boy, Riesbuck is right about you. If my sensei calls me as his disciple n I call him my sensei, dunno who u think u r to question that? LOL, We know you're from the outback/boondocks, is it so incredible to be a student of a 9th Dan Master?

[Goju108]

Since I also spent some time in Okinawa, n trained in the Yoyogi dojo years ago......Ack, I see now! You don't travel so you assume others don't travel?

[kirokyukan]

Disciple??? So we are apostle now and not martial artist. I am glad my Sensei calls me his student, and not his disciple, or else I might actually believe I could not surpass my "Master". And no it is not all that big of a deal that you belong to a federation that anybody can join. Oh and visiting a dojo and actually traing there is different too.

[Goju108]

Its funny how envious and incredulous you sound? There was no IOGKF in the days of Yoyogi, n you couldn't just dropped in and train. You had to live-in.

[Goju108]

The more incredulous you sound, the more obvious it is to us that you know nothing whatsoever of karate. But can't blame you, that was 20 years before you were born. Don't assume that because you don't know something it can't be possible. You haven't been around and about that much!

[Goju108]

Hehee, I deliberately wrote that knowing you'd jump at it, what the bible-reader you're. How is it that this koran quoting MMA wannabe becomes the karate critic?

[riesbuck42]

People stop teasing kirokyukan, can't u see he's green w envy? Shame on u! He says he's a 26 yr old Canadian kid who likes Teenage mutant Ninja turtles n harry potter, who aspires to learn martial arts, What can be nicer than that?? stop winding him up!!

[Goju108]

Hiya, riesbuck long time no hear fr U! But its true, I'll see him at Bisham today, n yesterday, n Bournemouth whole of last week;)

[kirokyukan]

So fbling you learned from Yamaguchi??? I wonder why he overlooked telling you to land on your embusan since he clearly stated it in his book. Honestly are all Europeans as dishonest as yourself.

[fbling]

Oh, and I suppose you are qualified to say Teruo Chinen or Higaonna, 9th Dan, are incorrect? Are you 10th Dan Goju-ryu? I don't think you even know karate.

[kirokyukan]

Your right I don't know Karate, because I am always learning.

[Goju108]

You never learnt karate except as a baby!!

[kirokyukan]

Goju108 I wish I was training since I was a Baby. Atleast my children will be able to say this.

[fbling]

Ahh, that's where you got your info, watching your kids train karate with THEIR sensei.

[kirokyukan]

I don't know about your variation but every Goju Kata I do Starts and finishes on the same spot. If you say it can't be done it is because you are missing pieces of your Kata.

[Goju108]

Sanseru, 3 steps forward in Sanchin, then two kicks+step forward, turn in four directions, move left n right, turn 270 degrees face front. Since you don't move back, there's no way to return to the same spot!!!!!!

[kirokyukan]

Goju108 That sounds like an awful short Sanseiru to me. The Version I learned steps back twice, and ends on the same spot it starts. I am not saying my version is "correct", but ending on the embusan is.

[Goju108]

3 sanchin forward, one Zenkusudach back, then one Zen forward, two kicks forward followed by an empi, 4 directions of sanchin with yokouke followed by kick,empi n punch, side ways both sides with shiko-dachi, sideways yokouge followed by shikodachi, then double punch forward, 270 degree turn, shiko-dachi and double block with the "Chicken head".

[Goju108]

It's the same foot steps for WKF, IOGKF, Jundokan, Goju-kai, seiwakai, and any other goju-ryu school. Besides Kirokyukan you said that it's crap or wrong kata that does not return to the embusan, and the people I've mentioned did not return to the embusan, are they, by your defination, crap?

[kirokyukan]

Goju108 "The embu-line is fixed. You start from the starting point and come back to the starting point. One way to practice is to put a mark on the starting point when you act." Gogen Yamaguchi Goju Karate do Kyohan

[kirokyukan]

"The embu-line is fixed. You start from the starting point and come back to the starting point. One way to practice is to put a mark on the starting point when you act." Gogen Yamaguchi Goju Ryu Karate do Kyohan I did not say it ... Gogen did.

[kirokyukan]

Goju108 Look up Sanseru and go to rivasgo, his version is similar to mine. However my Timing, basics, hand movements, posture and pretty well everything except the scematics are done differently. Pretty much the same version though. He has pretty consistent stances though since he lands on is Embusan, which is what used to be taught.

[Goju108]

Every Goju kata you do ends in the same spot? You're a genius, even Higaonna sensei can't do it. OK OK, how about Abe doing suparinpei. He's 3 feet off the embusan, so he sucks eh????

[kirokyukan]

Goju108 I am not saying any of the people you mention are crap ... thats your bag, not mine.

[Goju108]

Kururunfa, Teruo Chinen is off the spot by 3 feet at least, and Atsuko Wakai, is at least 2 feet off, are they all crap?

[fbling]

Could you post a video of you doing sanseru or suparinpei and ending back in the embusan? Educate us please!

[kirokyukan]

fbling As soon as I get a Digital Camera I will post my Versions. I am afraid I have not learned Suparempei yet though. But the versions I am aware of land on their mark, so long as all the stances and foot work are consistent.

[kirokyukan]

"The embu-line is fixed. You start from the starting point and come back to the starting point. One way to practice is to put a mark on the starting point when you act." Gogen Yamguchi Goju Karate do Kyohan

[kirokyukan]

fbling "The embu-line is fixed. You start from the starting point and come back to the starting point. One way to practice is to put a mark on the starting point when you act." Gogen Yamaguchi Goju Karate do Kyohan

[Pecherin72]

PS: Kirokyukan, I didn't say I can do better, I can't. When I said I've seen better, its not a criticism, its a fact. I don't think the world champion does a better kata than the 9th Dan and 10th Dan master, you think ?

[Mishalex]

Now that's what I call real precision execution of form.

[kyshi21]

who is(was) the masters?

[kellogskid]

this is the best version of seipai on youtube.

you need to fast forward to 44secs to get to the beginning of the kata.

[killertuna]

The video is very useful , but the intro is tripping :s

[zeldasak]

I'm a fan of Abe!!!

[tarlan3]

Abe is the best!!! =D

the Suparimpei is more great!!! =D

[alchemyroxmysox]

wow, this guy has amazing stances. His shekodachi and (sp?) nekowashidachi are so low!!!

[cky3000]

your right, his shekodachi has incredible depth

[Kurunfa]

Boah! a great video!

[epb471]

Excellent form, posture and focus. I am preparing for a tournament on Oct 15th and this is the kata I will perform. Have watched this video many times and will continue to do so. Thank you!

[svaran]

Finally Got past the goofy beginning, the kata's demo is awesome thanks for posting.

[makai2006]

A goju ryu kata that i can find beauty and power at the same time!

[katista1]

enjoy de video !!

[svaran]

the music and video are silly detracts from the kata