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It's odd, I was born and raised in Oregon and I've known nothing but the 'mail in your ballot' method. The points you brought up were very interesting. Thank for uploading!
LiviJones 3 years ago
tayfan2 commented (and I accidentally deleted) "Oregons VBM started in 1981 as a test. It became permanent in 1987. This means that they had six years in which to change it. If the Oregon voters feel it's secret enough, why are others butting in? Are you implying that rogue mail carriers will open the mail, not like the choice, and discard the ballots? This is called creating a problem where none exist."
WhyTuesday 3 years ago
tayfan2, as I say in the video the point is that VBM removes the process of the secret ballot because anyone can drop of anyone's ballot with the USPS, not that there will be rogue mail carriers. Jacob
WhyTuesday 3 years ago
So, would they have voted before the West Virginia results came in to see the swing?
We definitely need voter reform! Nationally!
SparklestheClown 3 years ago
Some voted before. Some voted after. Some voted right after Pennsylvania even.
kirby4d 3 years ago
The sad thing is that the process was supposed to be for the voters to decide, then the superdelegates weigh in at the end of the process, if they needed to. But, as usual, the Democratic Party has introduced its double standard of hypocritical interference to alter things their way. The whole process was BULL-
It allows all of the people who lost in the past to run its party in the now. Howard Dean was and is absolutely off his rocker. And the voters pay the price. Horrible to not count Flo/Mi
SparklestheClown 3 years ago
The supers might be removed after this, but it would have been more likely if they reversed it for Hillary and then lost the election 60-40. Who knows. Hopefully there will be a call for it to be changed.
Florida and Michigan broke the rules. Now they pay for it. The DNC shouldn't have taken away all delegates, but that's what they did and Hillary's crew was all for it beforehand.
kirby4d 3 years ago
Well, I personally think it reaks since the innocent voters should never been punished. It would sure disenfranchise me as a voter.
The leadership and reps made a bad call, and Howard Dean, should have handled it immediately. A shame the Dems keep getting it wrong.And what is with using all of those who lost elections as the leadership - To become a millionaire, ask a millionaire - ????
SparklestheClown 3 years ago
Well no one said they were to vote. They lal knew it wouldn't count. If you count the results that happened, you disenfranchise those that stayed home because they knew it didn't count.
kirby4d 3 years ago
Millions did choose to vote. If someone felt it was not right, it was their duty to totally revote both states, while it could certainly have been done timely. And someone was willing to pay. If the DNC and Dem. party cannot run this system properly, how can they run the country? They cannot. We are literally giving our country away piece by piece, and going so far to the left, it feels as if we are giving the US away to the communists, special interests, and far far left extremism.
SparklestheClown 3 years ago
So setting rules and then following them is bad? The Democrats can't be right no matter what you guys want them to do.
And swing to the left a bit sounds like a good idea. The right ruined this country and brought on 9/11.
kirby4d 3 years ago
Rules are good. I voted for Al Gore too. But, the Republicans did not bring on 9/11 - the world conditions may have. You do remember, Charlie Wilson is a Democrat! We have to stop thinking one party or the other brought this or that on. It is both sides.
SparklestheClown 3 years ago
It wasn't Democrats who deposed democratically-elected governments abroad and set up dictatorships throughout the world.
kirby4d 3 years ago
When you look at the horrible humanitarian records of many dictatorships, look at Darfur, and many other horrible leaders, you would want many of them out, even the UN disapproves of them. They mass kill, and usurp - You are blaming your country for too many things, that are not fair. Look at Russia walking into Afghanistan, and then, once they were outed, in comes the Taliban to rape and plunder even more. D-- all of these terror groups.
SparklestheClown 3 years ago
Yeah, just ignore how:
Eisenhower deposed the moderate, democratically-elected leaders of Iran and Guatemala (200,000 innocents killed in Guatemala).
Nixon deposed the democratically-elected leader of Chile and installed Pinochet, who killed over 5000 people.
Also, don't forget we trained the Taliban and the mujahedeen. Reagan trained them.
Bush ignored Darfur and went after a guy who didn't do a damn thing.
kirby4d 3 years ago
fast talker...
aliakbar01 3 years ago