Great videos! I just had a question though: Why did you use the Alesis Trigger I/O instead of the midi out from the DM5? Does this affect the triggering? cheers.
man i recognizeyour voice, you have made the "how to record professional metal guitar tone" vid right? that was one of the most helpful vids ive seen in my life so far :d
My opinion is that if you are using sound replacement for drums, you only have cymbal ambience left and your soundstage will suffer greatly in a dead room. If you are using real snare and toms, you might want a room with a medium ambience but with the sampling we do in metal, its better to have some ambience.
@Slyrus76 depends on what you want. if you have a really nice sounding room, use a room mic or two and get that open sound and use it to your advantage. if its not that great, try making it more dead and add some post reverb and whatnot.
I completely agree with you in that about reverb...a little rev is necessary..not only absortion,for metal, mainly..
I didn`t study, to say, "formally" but I like everything about sounds..and I always spend a lot of time, just"auditive observing" to what happens in my favourite songs...after I already listended to them a thousand timesxD.I have observed that tip you point at..Very, very interesting..Though I don`t have access to those technic elements you've got...I`dream someday I will
chuckawobbly, egg cartons do absolutely nothing, they are way to thin and wont obsorb anything, if you're using them i would be considering changing fast
Your right in saying its unavoidable, but if you want to try and get rid of it once its recorded use a noise gate on it, that should hopefully do the trick
I would rather use fiberglass, and carpet for absorption (on the cheap) and the cartons for controlling acoustic issues, they work fine. Plenty of articles online of the uses of it in home based studios.
I studied acoustics for a while. Carpet is unbalanced, fiberglass good but I dont need absorption in a room 17x25 which has fabric on the ceilings, I need reverb so I choose diffusion to stop comb filtering. Pallets are free and work perfectly.
How do you stop major bleed coming from the hit of the bassdrum into the bottom snare mic? I know it's unavoidable but it always seems to creep in at an annoying level for me even though I trigger most everything as well apart from the snare! Also is it 2 57's you are using on the snare?
Depends on the music, some style the spill is fine and works well (eg jazz/blues/some rock) personally, I tend to "enhance" my drum kit (using high quality samples, and depends on style).
SM57 works fine on the top, can work well for the bottom, but I have a Beta52 at my disposal when doing so, which I usually use. I have used an Audix i5 on the top and was not impressed, but it boils to style and what you are trying to achieve.
Thanks for the reply! I usually trigger the whole kit apart form the snare cos the kits i work with are rubbish and all the metal drummers have a "jazz flare" so it means lots of annoying ghost notes! I usually use a condenser on the bottom of the snare but it picks up annoying thumps from the skin which don't sit well with me in a mix! Just wondered if there were any tips!
small diaphragm or large diaphragm? An AKG C414 might work, but I have never tried. I tend to use a Dynamic on the kit except the overheads (and room)
But I am still a total n00b at it, and I am still learning what is best for what so I can only speak with limited experience and knowledge (and I have limited access to mics - which is a fking good list!).
One of the things I have picked up is what works, and your ears will tell you what does and what does not, TRUST your ears!
It's a large diaphragm one! basically the only one I could get my hands on! I am as they say, equipment challenged at this stage so I gotta take what i can get! Thanks for relying to my posts though, it's getting harder and harder to ask questions without arrogant dicks saying "What you don't know that?" Tis nice to have some friendly advice!
No way, Vintech is a Neve replica. Awesome sound for guitars. The Fireface ones are like a Mackie type of thing. Clean and basic but not as great. But remember that it wont matter that much until you really get your technique perfect but if you have been able to get great guitar tone for a while and need to step up, then Neve, Vintech, etc is needed.
Thank you so much for these videos, the guitar one has been like a bible to me. I see you have the RME Fireface 800, I was thinking about getting that as sort of a all in one solution to my crappy pre-amp/interface problem. For metal guitars, Do the preamps on the fireface sound as good as the vintec ones that you recommended on your recording column?
Great videos! I just had a question though: Why did you use the Alesis Trigger I/O instead of the midi out from the DM5? Does this affect the triggering? cheers.
richardjamesbunker 3 weeks ago
man i recognizeyour voice, you have made the "how to record professional metal guitar tone" vid right? that was one of the most helpful vids ive seen in my life so far :d
Metalwurst666 1 month ago
My opinion is that if you are using sound replacement for drums, you only have cymbal ambience left and your soundstage will suffer greatly in a dead room. If you are using real snare and toms, you might want a room with a medium ambience but with the sampling we do in metal, its better to have some ambience.
extremerecording 6 months ago
the pallet idea is genious, just sand em down and stain em and install em in the walls and youre set, genious idea
Downbeat1984 6 months ago
i actually like a dead room, more options in mixing faster metal
pifa4life 1 year ago
Always though a dry room was best for source rec, guess it doesn't apply to drums?? no, I'm lost...dry or not?? lol
Slyrus76 1 year ago
@Slyrus76 depends on what you want. if you have a really nice sounding room, use a room mic or two and get that open sound and use it to your advantage. if its not that great, try making it more dead and add some post reverb and whatnot.
Buhzie15 1 year ago
I completely agree with you in that about reverb...a little rev is necessary..not only absortion,for metal, mainly..
I didn`t study, to say, "formally" but I like everything about sounds..and I always spend a lot of time, just"auditive observing" to what happens in my favourite songs...after I already listended to them a thousand timesxD.I have observed that tip you point at..Very, very interesting..Though I don`t have access to those technic elements you've got...I`dream someday I will
Thanks!!
flavy1000 1 year ago
why do all this if your just going to use samples in the end
superrobotmunkyman 1 year ago
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Buhzie15 1 year ago
@Buhzie15 Think that is possible,but...I believe that natural rev will work better than post processing.
Would like to have extreme recording `s opinion, If you want to..Thanks
Flavy
flavy1000 1 year ago
chuckawobbly, egg cartons do absolutely nothing, they are way to thin and wont obsorb anything, if you're using them i would be considering changing fast
loxrox33 1 year ago
Colin Davis, you are, by far, my favorite engineer.
hardcoreblowsbigones 2 years ago
That looks like an electrician's nightmare!!!
revolhsoms 2 years ago
Your right in saying its unavoidable, but if you want to try and get rid of it once its recorded use a noise gate on it, that should hopefully do the trick
Esbanez 2 years ago
LOL pallets on the wall, that is crazy man, egg cartons could of done too, and all that protein!!
chuckawobbly 2 years ago
Egg cartons = absorption, pallets = diffusion
GaryCancer 2 years ago
I would rather use fiberglass, and carpet for absorption (on the cheap) and the cartons for controlling acoustic issues, they work fine. Plenty of articles online of the uses of it in home based studios.
chuckawobbly 2 years ago
I studied acoustics for a while. Carpet is unbalanced, fiberglass good but I dont need absorption in a room 17x25 which has fabric on the ceilings, I need reverb so I choose diffusion to stop comb filtering. Pallets are free and work perfectly.
extremerecording 2 years ago 2
whats diffusion?
lambofgod1638 2 years ago
But the point is that I dont need absorption like egg cartons or carpet or foam or fiberglass. I need diffusion only to retain reverb.
extremerecording 2 years ago 6
true true
you know what's weird? I was only 4 hours ago watching these videos again since like March.
chuckawobbly 2 years ago
@extremerecording egg cartons doesnt work..
bjmm1993 1 year ago
@extremerecording Of course you don't. All the drum sounds come from ToonTrax or whatever. Why even have someone drumming? Just use a sequencer.
BARONSAMEDI242 10 months ago
How do you stop major bleed coming from the hit of the bassdrum into the bottom snare mic? I know it's unavoidable but it always seems to creep in at an annoying level for me even though I trigger most everything as well apart from the snare! Also is it 2 57's you are using on the snare?
Stayrsaigh 2 years ago
Depends on the music, some style the spill is fine and works well (eg jazz/blues/some rock) personally, I tend to "enhance" my drum kit (using high quality samples, and depends on style).
SM57 works fine on the top, can work well for the bottom, but I have a Beta52 at my disposal when doing so, which I usually use. I have used an Audix i5 on the top and was not impressed, but it boils to style and what you are trying to achieve.
chuckawobbly 2 years ago
Thanks for the reply! I usually trigger the whole kit apart form the snare cos the kits i work with are rubbish and all the metal drummers have a "jazz flare" so it means lots of annoying ghost notes! I usually use a condenser on the bottom of the snare but it picks up annoying thumps from the skin which don't sit well with me in a mix! Just wondered if there were any tips!
Stayrsaigh 2 years ago
small diaphragm or large diaphragm? An AKG C414 might work, but I have never tried. I tend to use a Dynamic on the kit except the overheads (and room)
But I am still a total n00b at it, and I am still learning what is best for what so I can only speak with limited experience and knowledge (and I have limited access to mics - which is a fking good list!).
One of the things I have picked up is what works, and your ears will tell you what does and what does not, TRUST your ears!
chuckawobbly 2 years ago
It's a large diaphragm one! basically the only one I could get my hands on! I am as they say, equipment challenged at this stage so I gotta take what i can get! Thanks for relying to my posts though, it's getting harder and harder to ask questions without arrogant dicks saying "What you don't know that?" Tis nice to have some friendly advice!
Stayrsaigh 2 years ago
some clever gate use, i have also experimented with physical barriers, the help a little
WelcomeToRapture08 2 years ago
try a product called "Snarepal" it might help you out a bit.
TheSavageMessiah 2 years ago
use a cardioid or unidirectional mic, and point it as much away from the kick as you can.
BlackHawk2029 2 years ago
He's using a Beta 57 in the bottom.
blackandwhitewoopty 2 years ago
use gates?? dunno...
rosssss224 2 years ago
great videos! ive never seen someone use palettes but its a great idea. very helpful videos.
ameliabedilia1954 3 years ago
No way, Vintech is a Neve replica. Awesome sound for guitars. The Fireface ones are like a Mackie type of thing. Clean and basic but not as great. But remember that it wont matter that much until you really get your technique perfect but if you have been able to get great guitar tone for a while and need to step up, then Neve, Vintech, etc is needed.
extremerecording 3 years ago
Thank you so much for these videos, the guitar one has been like a bible to me. I see you have the RME Fireface 800, I was thinking about getting that as sort of a all in one solution to my crappy pre-amp/interface problem. For metal guitars, Do the preamps on the fireface sound as good as the vintec ones that you recommended on your recording column?
Derpasherpala 3 years ago
when can we expect the new vile
thebest123666 3 years ago