PART 1 Malcolm interview with Alan Jones 2 November 2009 1

[Stumpydalts]

Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. I hope he Slip Slop Slaps!!!

[fox20012]

Malcolm Turnbull u are an enemy of the people!

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Double-whammy got rid of Malcolm and Copenhagen was a flop.

Bloody good news mate.

[fox20012]

Keep doing these videos we need more people out there like you! You can slowly wake up us all up

[fox20012]

All this is really making me angry

[TrueBlueAustralia]

This was battle, but the next is coming in Copenhagen, Malcolm is out but not finished.

Goldman Sachs must achieve its world carbon market or it is finished with its investments.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Please google Club of Rome and 'world problematique'.

The Club of Rome shows up as the brain thinking up scares such as the Global Cooling in the 1970's, Resource Depletion, Population Bomb (with Paul Erhlich) and many more.

The concept lies at the centre is to have a Global Issue requiring a Global Government to solve it.

Of course no Hoi Polloi has a say much less a vote, very elitistic and authoritarian in nature. Some call it "Technocratic".

For those inquiring more read Limits to Growth'.

[unenergy]

Two words: Ocean acidification

[TrueBlueAustralia]

UN Treaty to levy carbon taxes on ocean acidification, restrict fishing and curtail free shipping on the sea lanes.

[WilliamHBonney55]

It still gets pretty damn cold here in Prince George Canada.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

We have a debate on Emission Trading Scheme (ETS)Down Under, yes the last October was three degree below average.

Imagine the price for fuel, coal and electricity will go a up further requiring the purchasing of credits from overseas to 'pollute'.

Goldman Sachs stands to profiteer by brokering the credits and debits from the ETS. Hence the job of the Opposition Leader to amend to pass it through the Senate.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

The name of the ETS Tax Profiteers is:

INVESTOR GROUP FOR CLIMATE CHANGE

-google it. about 40 trillions of assets held and hanging the ETS Legislation passing through the Senate.

Led of course by Goldman Sachs-JBWere

[unenergy]

And who are the other profiteers who sat back whilst oil went to $150 and coal did the same?

Lord Monckton also said this:

"there is only one way to stop AIDS. That is to screen the entire population regularly and to quarantine all carriers of the disease for life. Every member of the population should be blood-tested every month."

Sounds a little like cleansing the population using the government to me.

Professional fear mongerer

[TrueBlueAustralia]

The AIDS issue is besides the point here.

Screening is not cleansing, it is epidemiological control of propagation vectors. If it is highly infectious then it justified to quarantine the infected subjects, don't you agree?

As for the Oil Industry, it is cartel, and the cartel counts on hiking the prices to profiteer, a good question for your legislator, when will a competitive free market be applied to the Oil Cartel?

I suggest you read the Copenhagen Treaty first then return to post.

Cheers

[unenergy]

Look up Treaty of Versailles.

San Francisco Treaty

Treaty of Taipei

North Atlantic Treaty Organization

Paris Peace Treaties

Monckton throws out an unsubstantiated claim that global warming has been cooked up to achieve a treaty. When in fact like those mentioned above, they are treaties created to endeavor to deal with problems of enormous scope with co-ordinated action.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Have you read the Copenhagen Treaty?

The difference is the treaty has its core making laws drafted by the UN enforceable at the national level without any citizen voting for them or even being informed about it.

Besides UN founders were known Communists and Socialists fellow travelers,

Art. 17 of of the COP 15 Treaty shows its socialist nature in redistributing income.

Read the Treaty instead of sidetracking to irrelevant treaties that do not contain the same material as in Copenhagen.

[unenergy]

Ocean acidification, climate disruption, melting permafrost, methane clathrate release are the issue. These need to be dealt with in a way we have no precedent to go on.

What other mechanism is there besides a treaty?

Now go look up Bretton Woods.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

You are mixing Apples with Oranges; Copenhagen materially states the creation of Central Government determining laws at the national and local level by redistributing wealth and taxes to the UN for disbursement. Inclusively states under 'Governance' that national govts must create supervisory agencies to enforce carbon emission compliance.

Whereas Bretton Woods was a treaty on currencies done multilaterally with NO UN.

You are treating old and new treaties as if they were interchangeable.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Your post sounds like professional alarmism and world governance to control inter-border areas of national sovereignty giving the UN jurisdiction to regulate shipping and thus trade and perhaps levy carbon taxes over extraterritorial waters to correct the faux 'problem'..

Ocean Acidification sounds good to me.

Part of the same misguided scientism.

the solution to ' world problematique' is create another UN controlled Agency isn't it? A Club of Rome's brainchild.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Professional Fear Monger? You mean vociferous and profiteering Al Gore?

[unenergy]

Profiteering? He ran for President in 2000 with this as a core issue.

If government does not act what other mechanism is there aside from working within the capitalist system.

Ask yourself what motivates Lord Monckton before you buy into this line of thinking.

Then go read a book by a guy called James Hoggan called Climate Cover-up.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

I should mention, Gore's sudden rise to millionaire status with his Generation Investment Management firm that has its assets  counting time before the Cap and Trade/ETS tax law passes to shift investment and sells its assets and broker commissions from swapping carbon debits and credits.

Worldwide legislation should make the Gore pork fatten up.

Gore's talk but the action is where his cuts his money from...Professional Alarmism for a profit.

[captainbildad]

Please address Monckton's reliability as a source.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Given that the burden of proof is on Al Gore to prove that his Doomsday Scenario is gonna kill us all, let him prove it first. Hence the burdeon of proof is on the outlandish AGW theory.

Monckton's basically stand that nothing happens, Warming or Cooling is natural cycle, end to the Alarmism.

Besides Al Gore has not worked the courage to openly debate Monckton, chicken? I say Gore better explain his investment in Green Tech and Cap and Trade companies as conflict of interest.

[captainbildad]

No. You must have proof and valid arguments yourself, sir, or else you are a crank.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

You or Al Gore who does it for the money?

At least Gore profiteers, you do it for free or for fear.

AGW is computer simulation models, not empirical evidence. There goes the AGW proof. Software simulations in a computer.

[captainbildad]

I dearly hope you're a creationist, otherwise your suspicion of computers is going to severely hinder your understanding of the universe.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Is that what you think?

May be you're not familiar with the Scientific Method of Empirical Observation, NOT computer simulations. Of course computer simulation results can be tampered with at data entry level unlike empirical data and thus generating the 'desired results'.

[captainbildad]

Oh dear. I think I might have cornered you into saying something embarrasing. Never mind, I'm sure you're next video uploads will go a bit better.

[captainbildad]

Chris "Lord" Monckton got called out by conservative commentator Glenn Beck for telling lies in his anti-climate change crusade. By GLENN BECK. Monckton has no science background. He was a journalist and an economic advisor. He is so far on the fringe, Alan Jones is one of his only islands of support. To describe him as an authority is laughable - he's a whackjob with a conspiracy theory.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Really far in the fringe such as being a mainstream columnist and advisor and consultant for Maggie Thatcher, hmm that's 'far fringe'.

I see.

[captainbildad]

... Maggie Thatcher, who warned about global warming, the ozone hole and acid rain back in 1988? Who founded the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research? And who would vehemently disagree with Monckton's views if asked today? Today's Tory Party wants nothing to do with Monckton. And his record as a journalist and advisor still doesn't answer why he is uniquely qualified to tell the truth about climate change.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Did you actually watch the full Youtuve Video of Glenn Beck with ex-ambassador Bolton?

Well to describe Al Gore as an authority on AGW and Environmentalism is deeply flawed, he doesn't have a science background at all, besides he's got his hand in the Carbon Tax Tilt.

I like your sense of marginalisation of Monckton's views.

[captainbildad]

I never mentioned Al Gore, I'm afraid. I was talking about Monckton's qualifications on climate change, and why we should belive his point of view, and why Alan Jones should use him as an authority. As far as I can tell you can't answer those questions. As for the video: yes, I did. Bolton wasn't buying it either, was he?

[searjay]

You, Alan and Malcolm and I are no position to say who is factual. I'm simply pointing out Alan lost the opportunity for informed discussion by pushing his personal agenda so ineptly. Just as no people went overboard there may be no global warming. I'm sure Malcolm has a firmer grasp on political decision-making than Alan and most certainly a cooler head.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

On that premise I could say the same thing of you. I don't understand the concept of political grasp here, basically Malcolm Turnbull is a Rudd asset in the Opposition helping the ETS be sugar-coated for swallowing by the rest of the Libs and Nats.

Granted Malcolm has more guts than Rudd's got Party Line Silence to keep by not showing up and play dumb, despite repeated invitations.

Malcolm's had plenty of chance to oppose Rudd, now the door is closed beyond the doubt. Sad.

[searjay]

The points I make are that Jones lost opportunities to engage Malcolm in reasonable discussion; he turned a radio program into stressful listening; he resorted to bullying and the points he was making were lost in hysteria. I'm confused on about 'on that premise I could say the same thing about you'? I'm waiting for the Liberal Party to post a transcript of the interview so will wait for the unedited version before commenting further.

[searjay]

TrueBlue. Listen to the whole interview. Alan finds no common ground whatsoever with Turnbull in 30 or more minutes of discussion. Whatever you believe about climate change both sides can trot out arguments to support their  orthodoxy. My point is that Alan was rude, similarly evasive and used a radio program as a personal punching bag. Malcolm is certainly watching the government and is a day to day player. Moreover when someone is whipped into a frenzied state you can't reason with them.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Does Alan's rudeness mean he was factually inacurate?

[searjay]

Alan sounds hysterical, rude and bullying. Moreover he's starting to use his program as a personal punching bag to the detriment of himself, his listeners and this time his guest Malcolm Turnbull. It sounded more a Gestapo grilling than an interview. Alan should really apologise.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

I don't think you were listening to Malcolm he dodged, strawmanned and run away from answering very serious questions on the Copenhagen Treaty and Lord Monckton, anyone not furious on this can't call himself Australian.

Malcolm is supposed to be the watching the Government not sleeping on the job.

[TrueBlueAustralia]

Part 1 of interview by Alan Jones with Malcolm Turnbull (Opposition Leader) on Lord Monckton's statement on Global Warming Hoax, ETS tax, and UN's World Government..

Please note this segment is begins about 16.45 mins of the 30 min long interview.