Would you mind if I used this transcription as the background music for the opening credits for a short film my friends and I are making? It's a classic P.I./whodunnit movie set in the 50's, and this is the perfect song for the opening credits, which is basically shots of campus at twilight.
@Falseblue29 Sure. I appreciate you asking. I can't send you the sound file, because I don't think it made it from my other computer. But you can get it from some youtube downloader program. I would appreciate a "Music performed by" credit if possible. And a link you your short film if you upload it
Very obvious mistakes and slop at comparably easy (like scales) spots.
Overall, I'd say an abomination to the original - might have something to do with the sound/performance quality, but I've just come here from listening to the original orchestra version, and this sounds like an ugly, corny, wooden hackneyed shadow of the original in terms of sound and overall impression.
@twooffour You're pretty nasty for someone who associates themselves with the beauties of "classical" music. I think you're an impostor, or do you have the voice of an agitated and thoroughly disappointed teacher still in the back of your head?
If everyone around you is racist and you're racist, too, that only goes on to show that you're an uncritical conformist, and if you're also a brilliant composer it probably also means that you invest a lot more critical thought into the art than those issues.
@twooffour Well, I would assume everyone around you is anti-racist and so are you. That's not anymore intelligent.
Wagner thought critically about these issues, it's just that society didn't like his conclusions. He had to use a pseudonym in his own time. Hardly conformist at all
Okay, if the society was anti-semitic, why did he have to use the pseudonym to publish his anti-semitic rant in the first place, and why did it get better recognition once he published it under his own name?
At any rate, I'll give him that he apparently was more against Judasim as religion, rather then heritage of nationality.
At any rate, no, we're NOT entirely a product of our society's beliefs, it's just much much harder to think critically with society at odds.
As for me, I'm not a racist because there's no reason for me to consider people of other races worse than whites, let alone worse than me.
Even if you could prove with overwhelming studies that, say, blacks are more likely to be violent or stupid than whites, any white could still be more violent and stupid than any given black person, so adopting the ideology of "racism" by associating yourself with the smart people based solely on skin color...
@twooffour For one anti-racism is anti-diversity which I oppose, and secondly, I don't equate race realism with hate. I have never hated blacks and Asians soley for their race and never will.
The other important thing to note is that many intellectuals have despised Jewry throughout the centuries based on its effects and not on common prejudice.
The idea that it's immoral and insane to dislike their influences is itself insane.
Racism is the view that one given "race" is inferior to another - not necessarily but often accompanied by treating people of other races differently (i.e. as inferior humans).
If you can back up any of that with facts, we can talk.
"it's immoral and insane to dislike their influences"
Sure you meant to say "like", because otherwise that would be my view, as well ;)
Ah, 4chan speak. I guess you view attempting to amalgamate every race and culture as "diverse".The "diversity" movement would happen to agree with you.
The term racism now simply means the belief that there is even a biological reality to race ( I don't know how you could watch the Olympics without realizing this.)
" Sure you meant to say "like"" No, you misunderstood. I was referring to Jewry's influence. Nice attempts at snarkiness by the way. (:
... used to mean, still means and should continue meaning a view of other races' inferiority.
Now, there IS a biological reality to race - that is at the very least skin color. It's genetic, there's no sense in denying it, and it's not racism either.
So what kind of biological difference an top of that (I mean, including skull or facial shape and all that), ESPECIALLY in terms of advantages or disadvantages (excluding different risks to get skin cancer or whatever)...
... used to mean, still means and should continue meaning a view of other races' inferiority.
Now, there IS a biological reality to race - that is at the very least skin color. It's genetic, there's no sense in denying it, and it's not racism either.
So what kind of biological difference an top of that (I mean, including skull or facial shape and all that), ESPECIALLY in terms of advantages or disadvantages (excluding different risks to get skin cancer or whatever)...
But yea, if you considered each "race" to be with its own strengths and weaknesses, I SUPPOSE denying it may stand in the way of "diversity", even though it actually wouldn't because whatever differences there are, would remain anyway and not go away.
It's when you try to conform one culture to another, you really stomp out diversity - and you hardly can when people are still white and black.
Oh, okay, I thought you meant those intellectuals. Sorry.
At any rate, sorry if I'm like a 4chan n00b, but by Jewry do you mean Jewish ghettos? You mean like how those quarters influence the rest of the society?
If so, how does that logically translate to prejudice against individual Jews?
Or do you refer to Jewish culture? In which case, again, I myself have prejudice against "Russian Germans" from Kazakhstan because many of those people appear to be kinda unpleasant (in the "aggressive youth" sense), Turks have a similar reputation here in Germany, but that wouldn't make me conclude that there's something "inherently wrong" with being either - none of them would have to transform themselves from Turk to German, or from whatever to Christian or Civilised...
... because basically it's just a bunch of people who have developed a certain culture of certain behavior through inner and exterior influences, there are people like that in about any ethnic group, and there's no reason for me to look suspiciously at any individual who may belong to any of those ethnic groups.
So what made Wagner say that "Jewry" is something inherently wrong and unhuman?
Okay, I have no problem with criticism of religion, or even of culture, but I'm not really sure from reading Wagner's quotations on that, whether that's what his "anti-semitism" was limited to.
He discarded the Jewish roots of Christianity in his own religious views, which nowadays could as well be construed as criticism of Christianity, but I'm not sure how well he took to the immoralities presented in the NT, by Jesus, aside from that.
Although I'm pretty sure we can all agree by now that while Chrisitanity certainly does cause problems in society, it didn't prevent it from creating widely acknowledged music (as well as contributing to kicking off the classical tradition).
We also don't talk about "justifying our inner asympathies towards those Christ types" when criticizing religion, we actually make solid arguments against the very BELIEFS people hold.
@whoisstarfruit What mistakes? This is an atonal composition to being with. It's not supposed to sound like a flowing classical piece from Bach or Mozart. It's constantly modulating, quite beautifully, and the the pianist did a wonderful job arranging the music for piano. Very complicated piece, very well done. Bravo!
@kclz2420 To be fair, though this piece constantly modulates...I can hear a few mistakes in the playing...such as some of the runs leading to the climax of the piece (4:21 - 4: 26)... but overall it's a great performance/arrangement.
Would you mind if I used this transcription as the background music for the opening credits for a short film my friends and I are making? It's a classic P.I./whodunnit movie set in the 50's, and this is the perfect song for the opening credits, which is basically shots of campus at twilight.
Falseblue29 1 month ago
@Falseblue29 Sure. I appreciate you asking. I can't send you the sound file, because I don't think it made it from my other computer. But you can get it from some youtube downloader program. I would appreciate a "Music performed by" credit if possible. And a link you your short film if you upload it
theoryjoe 1 month ago
This is devastatingly beautiful.
kittenwit 4 months ago in playlist kittenwit's favourites
weren't there LOADS of mistakes in this?xx
whoisstarfruit 2 years ago
um....no
theoryjoe 2 years ago 15
Very obvious mistakes and slop at comparably easy (like scales) spots.
Overall, I'd say an abomination to the original - might have something to do with the sound/performance quality, but I've just come here from listening to the original orchestra version, and this sounds like an ugly, corny, wooden hackneyed shadow of the original in terms of sound and overall impression.
twooffour 1 year ago
@twooffour You're pretty nasty for someone who associates themselves with the beauties of "classical" music. I think you're an impostor, or do you have the voice of an agitated and thoroughly disappointed teacher still in the back of your head?
vesperus1981 5 months ago
@vesperus1981
"You're pretty nasty for someone who associates themselves with the beauties of "classical" music."
How about nasty for someone who just had to listen to one of his favorite pieces ruined by a lacklustre transcription and performance?
Anyway, Wagner wrote this shit, and he was an anti-semite and a bigot.
Gesualdo wrote awesome music, and he was a murderer.
The sooner you free yourself of this primitive "lovers of beautiful art can only be smiling and shining of politness 24/7",
twooffour 5 months ago
@twooffour There's nothing wrong with Wagner having those opinions. Outside of cultural Marxist influenced society it's perfectly normal.
OldSchopenhauer 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
If everyone around you is racist and you're racist, too, that only goes on to show that you're an uncritical conformist, and if you're also a brilliant composer it probably also means that you invest a lot more critical thought into the art than those issues.
So it doesn't look good in any case.
twooffour 5 months ago
@twooffour Well, I would assume everyone around you is anti-racist and so are you. That's not anymore intelligent.
Wagner thought critically about these issues, it's just that society didn't like his conclusions. He had to use a pseudonym in his own time. Hardly conformist at all
OldSchopenhauer 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
Okay, if the society was anti-semitic, why did he have to use the pseudonym to publish his anti-semitic rant in the first place, and why did it get better recognition once he published it under his own name?
At any rate, I'll give him that he apparently was more against Judasim as religion, rather then heritage of nationality.
At any rate, no, we're NOT entirely a product of our society's beliefs, it's just much much harder to think critically with society at odds.
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
As for me, I'm not a racist because there's no reason for me to consider people of other races worse than whites, let alone worse than me.
Even if you could prove with overwhelming studies that, say, blacks are more likely to be violent or stupid than whites, any white could still be more violent and stupid than any given black person, so adopting the ideology of "racism" by associating yourself with the smart people based solely on skin color...
twooffour 5 months ago
@twooffour For one anti-racism is anti-diversity which I oppose, and secondly, I don't equate race realism with hate. I have never hated blacks and Asians soley for their race and never will.
The other important thing to note is that many intellectuals have despised Jewry throughout the centuries based on its effects and not on common prejudice.
The idea that it's immoral and insane to dislike their influences is itself insane.
OldSchopenhauer 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
"anti-racism is anti-diversity"
LOLWUT?
"I don't equate race realism with hate"
It doesn't have to be "hate".
Racism is the view that one given "race" is inferior to another - not necessarily but often accompanied by treating people of other races differently (i.e. as inferior humans).
If you can back up any of that with facts, we can talk.
"it's immoral and insane to dislike their influences"
Sure you meant to say "like", because otherwise that would be my view, as well ;)
twooffour 5 months ago
@twooffour "LOLWUT?"
Ah, 4chan speak. I guess you view attempting to amalgamate every race and culture as "diverse".The "diversity" movement would happen to agree with you.
The term racism now simply means the belief that there is even a biological reality to race ( I don't know how you could watch the Olympics without realizing this.)
" Sure you meant to say "like"" No, you misunderstood. I was referring to Jewry's influence. Nice attempts at snarkiness by the way. (:
OldSchopenhauer 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
"to amalgamate every race and culture as "diverse""
Stil LOLWUT, because I honestly can't get what you're talking about.
Yes, different cultures DO create diversity, by definition, while people of different skin color... well, they just make it look like a chessboard.
"The term racism now simply means the belief that there is even a biological reality to race"
I don't watch the olympics, but I gladly admit that political correctness may have pushed a word that really...
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
"to amalgamate every race and culture as "diverse""
Stil LOLWUT, because I honestly can't get what you're talking about.
Yes, different cultures DO create diversity, by definition, while people of different skin color... well, they just make it look like a chessboard.
"The term racism now simply means the belief that there is even a biological reality to race"
I don't watch the olympics, but I gladly admit that political correctness may have pushed a word that really...
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
... used to mean, still means and should continue meaning a view of other races' inferiority.
Now, there IS a biological reality to race - that is at the very least skin color. It's genetic, there's no sense in denying it, and it's not racism either.
So what kind of biological difference an top of that (I mean, including skull or facial shape and all that), ESPECIALLY in terms of advantages or disadvantages (excluding different risks to get skin cancer or whatever)...
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
... used to mean, still means and should continue meaning a view of other races' inferiority.
Now, there IS a biological reality to race - that is at the very least skin color. It's genetic, there's no sense in denying it, and it's not racism either.
So what kind of biological difference an top of that (I mean, including skull or facial shape and all that), ESPECIALLY in terms of advantages or disadvantages (excluding different risks to get skin cancer or whatever)...
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
... would there be to deny?
But yea, if you considered each "race" to be with its own strengths and weaknesses, I SUPPOSE denying it may stand in the way of "diversity", even though it actually wouldn't because whatever differences there are, would remain anyway and not go away.
It's when you try to conform one culture to another, you really stomp out diversity - and you hardly can when people are still white and black.
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
Oh, okay, I thought you meant those intellectuals. Sorry.
At any rate, sorry if I'm like a 4chan n00b, but by Jewry do you mean Jewish ghettos? You mean like how those quarters influence the rest of the society?
If so, how does that logically translate to prejudice against individual Jews?
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
Or do you refer to Jewish culture? In which case, again, I myself have prejudice against "Russian Germans" from Kazakhstan because many of those people appear to be kinda unpleasant (in the "aggressive youth" sense), Turks have a similar reputation here in Germany, but that wouldn't make me conclude that there's something "inherently wrong" with being either - none of them would have to transform themselves from Turk to German, or from whatever to Christian or Civilised...
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
... because basically it's just a bunch of people who have developed a certain culture of certain behavior through inner and exterior influences, there are people like that in about any ethnic group, and there's no reason for me to look suspiciously at any individual who may belong to any of those ethnic groups.
So what made Wagner say that "Jewry" is something inherently wrong and unhuman?
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
Okay, I have no problem with criticism of religion, or even of culture, but I'm not really sure from reading Wagner's quotations on that, whether that's what his "anti-semitism" was limited to.
He discarded the Jewish roots of Christianity in his own religious views, which nowadays could as well be construed as criticism of Christianity, but I'm not sure how well he took to the immoralities presented in the NT, by Jesus, aside from that.
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
Although I'm pretty sure we can all agree by now that while Chrisitanity certainly does cause problems in society, it didn't prevent it from creating widely acknowledged music (as well as contributing to kicking off the classical tradition).
We also don't talk about "justifying our inner asympathies towards those Christ types" when criticizing religion, we actually make solid arguments against the very BELIEFS people hold.
So was Wagner merely a religious/cultural critic?
twooffour 5 months ago
@OldSchopenhauer
... would be fucking stupid.
These are all thoughts that could lead a "critical" thinker away from adapting to the racist views of their family, friends or environment, etc.
Please name me a valid reason why I should consider to become a racist despite living in an environment that influences me in the other direction ;)
twooffour 5 months ago
@vesperus1981
the better.
The human mind is contradictory, dissonant, and complex.
*politeness*
twooffour 5 months ago
@whoisstarfruit What mistakes? This is an atonal composition to being with. It's not supposed to sound like a flowing classical piece from Bach or Mozart. It's constantly modulating, quite beautifully, and the the pianist did a wonderful job arranging the music for piano. Very complicated piece, very well done. Bravo!
kclz2420 4 months ago 4
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Hamgammy 2 months ago
@kclz2420 To be fair, though this piece constantly modulates...I can hear a few mistakes in the playing...such as some of the runs leading to the climax of the piece (4:21 - 4: 26)... but overall it's a great performance/arrangement.
MrDstclair 2 months ago
very pleasant work. did you wear your robe to NEIU?
sabrejack2 2 years ago