even in court they flipped on that info. but you played guitar at six and drums as well, started piano, practiced french and japanese with me daily, meditated did tai chi and yoga time with you was some of my best times spent on this earth. i want you to know this
kameron bodell, kameron arnold, kameron mcworkman. listen to the lyrics . we used to listen to this on san diego pirate radio 96.9 truly free radio, we used to cook vegan vegetarian food and do your schoolwork and it was so fun and some of the best times of my life. you mom didnt want me. thats fine. but just because im not into the matrix and the system does not mean im not a good caring loving father. i love you kameron. your my son. stay strong. cause baby we are anarchists,
the only way to be free is to have personal responsibility . the right to bear arms and no central bank run by private banks . fuck you commi lovin losers. it might sound good as an idea but on paper it doesnt work . the corrupt are always gonna try to rise to power and who is gonna watch the person in charge of resources . communism has always failed in every scenario get over it you just think the idea of a REVOLUTION IS COOL . THE CONSTITUTION IS THE WAY FOR MAXIMUM FREEDOM IF FOLLOWED
trotsky was a lot smarter than stalin. the revolution of 1917 did such major damage because stalin didnt follow trotsky's advice. if he had, it would have been much less painful
Stalin had almost no part in the 1917 Revolution. Trotsky was Lenin's right hand man, Lenin himself was the head of the Revolution in 1917 and Russia's first Leader. Trotsky's major role in the Revolution was commanding the Red Guards and then the Red Army circa 1918. Stalin was a bookkeeper at this time. Also when Lenin died Trotsky and Stalin both wanted to be leader. Stalin purged the party so he would be elected, the murder of Trotsky in Mexico.
@che0lives Stalin had recently gained power in the Soviet and wanted to remove Trotsky from his high powered position as leader of the Red Army. Stalin tried to get rid of Trotsky, and Trotsky even offered his resignation, but the Soviet wouldn't accept it. Stalin got Trotsky moved to southern Russia to push the Whites out of the country and to keep him out of the capital. Then before the Battle of Warsaw against the Polish, Stalin rejected Trotsky's battle plan which led to defeat/destruction
This song is not about Tom's personal views. It is about the history of the 2 parties (Anarchist and Liberal) and their relation between each other. They are both considered to the "left" but they usually oppose each other's views. Tom says he doesn't belong to any party but supported/voted for Obama yet thinks the president needs/needed to dumb down his leftist views a bit.
It appears you are right about Tom being an anarchist (should have searched that specifically). But he also appears to socio-political. Perhaps he is similar to my own views (I am communist as well) in which his utopian society is anarchist but his realistic views aren't as drastic.
@Propagandhi900 How would voting for a liberal (obama) help anarchists ? Wouldn't libertarians have most in line with anarchists ? Libertarians are the exact opposite of a liberal. You would think voting for a small government republican or a Independant Libertarian would be more in tune for anarchists. Communism and Socialism are maximum government. You would think the anti-goverment anarchists would be the extreme right wing in some cases.
@tkorenstra I'm an anarchist who is in complete opposition to (american) liberals, and conservatives. The minarchist libertarians I identify closest with, I used to be one even.
@Potts132 Staline was a communist, Trostky too. And communists want a proletarians dictatorship, a government with proletarians politicians, and after, perhaps, no states. But in practice, communism stay in the stage of the proletarians dictatorship. Read your Bakounine.
@Anarchyo Stalin as a little of a Communist as you can be and no one cares about Trosky cause he was an idiot.
If it has a state its not Communism any more. It is state Socialism.
I could tell you want you want also, but that would be stupid cause I don't know you, I could use a generalization and just say you want to throw bricks through windows and light cars on fire and use anarchy as an excuse.
We want a stateless and classless society, not a dictatorship, read some Marx
@Potts132 Trotsky was far from an idiot and is generally considered, even by the CPSU, to had been the better alternative following Lenin's death. Also, Trotsky is notorious for his play on words, his ability to cause insurrection by speech alone, and as a masterful leader of the Red Guards and Red Army. Trotskyism a faction of Marxism is the most preferrable form of Commun ist state today. Chavez, Castro, that Bolivian dude, Allende, Marcos, etc.. have established states under Trotskyism.
@che0lives There is no preferable Communist state, because the state is against (real) Communist ideals. Every leader you named is Communist only in name, not in practice
@che0lives UUUUUUGHGGHHHH WHAT A MAJOR TOOLBAG > BABY YOU ARENT AN ANARCHIST > TROTSKY WAS FUNDED BY THE ROCKEFELLERS AND ROTHCHILDS TO OVERTHROW RUSSIA> YEAHHHH SOOOO COOL LETS GET FUNDED BY MAJOR BANKING AND OIL FAMILYS TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNIST STATE> AND YEAH DONT EVEN TRY TO DEBATE ME ILL CRUSH YOU PINKO COMMI
they claim to be anarchists, but i saw an interview of them slobbering on obama's knob. so they are either butt f#cking liberals, or retards who didn't know any better. Even thought most of my fellow americans have downs syndrome, i bet its the former. i still like the song though.
Two things. One, if you were talking about the video I think you were, then they were saying that Obama is the best choice for the country. So yes, that is not the traditional FIGHT THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT stance of anarchy, but even the anarchists have to pick a side. Revolution doesn't happen over night, and it is better if the anarchists show support to one candidate or another, because who ever the 'ruler' or 'president' is can make our jobs alot harder.
And two, they're political views have changed. I'm pretty sure they've said that straight up in interveiws too. Tom's becoming a father, and hes getting older. The anarchist lifestyle isnt easy for them him to sustain any more. He HAS sold out, but he still makes honest music. I have no doubt that he would support an anarchist revolution, but I don't think he feels he has the means to help create it any more, if you get my point.
2 things, one, he chose a marxist as his leader, thats about as far from anarchism as you can get, so no he is not an anarchist. obviously they were just playing pretend because teen angst "cool" or "hip" 2, quit swinging from this dudes balls. i
its provocation and to draw a line an d show that liberals dont really fight for their ideas sry for my bad english im from germany and im anarchist ^^
I think its even more than that, liberals are not revolutionary, and in spite of the term liberal they are most singularly authoritarian,at least here in the states they are. The right wing seems to want to strengthen private power(wich influences gov.)while the liberal left wants to strengthen state power(as long as they get there private share)...both are two sides of the same coin as far as I'm concerned.
I get your point. Both do not want to achieve freedom.
...but the first and most important freedom of all is the freedom from needs (hunger, sickness etc.). That has to be achieved first, before personal freedom can be established. My opinion. Baby, I'm a communist.
even in court they flipped on that info. but you played guitar at six and drums as well, started piano, practiced french and japanese with me daily, meditated did tai chi and yoga time with you was some of my best times spent on this earth. i want you to know this
StilettoSilhouette1 3 weeks ago
kameron bodell, kameron arnold, kameron mcworkman. listen to the lyrics . we used to listen to this on san diego pirate radio 96.9 truly free radio, we used to cook vegan vegetarian food and do your schoolwork and it was so fun and some of the best times of my life. you mom didnt want me. thats fine. but just because im not into the matrix and the system does not mean im not a good caring loving father. i love you kameron. your my son. stay strong. cause baby we are anarchists,
StilettoSilhouette1 3 weeks ago
I WONT TAKE YOUR HAND AND MARRY THE STATE
stwb420 4 months ago
the only way to be free is to have personal responsibility . the right to bear arms and no central bank run by private banks . fuck you commi lovin losers. it might sound good as an idea but on paper it doesnt work . the corrupt are always gonna try to rise to power and who is gonna watch the person in charge of resources . communism has always failed in every scenario get over it you just think the idea of a REVOLUTION IS COOL . THE CONSTITUTION IS THE WAY FOR MAXIMUM FREEDOM IF FOLLOWED
stwb420 4 months ago
Attention YouTube,
FUCK THE SYSTEM!!
Thank you, that is all.
fromdaghettowithlove 7 months ago 3
@fromdaghettowithlove AND YES FUCK THE SYSTEM BUT COMMUNISM ISNT THE WAY > ONLY FREE MARKETS WITH SOUND MONEY SUCH AS GOLD OR SILVER >
stwb420 4 months ago
KILL WHITEY!!!!!!!
MichealZero1 8 months ago
trotsky was a lot smarter than stalin. the revolution of 1917 did such major damage because stalin didnt follow trotsky's advice. if he had, it would have been much less painful
brofan2 8 months ago
@brofan2 DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING OF HISTORY?
Stalin had almost no part in the 1917 Revolution. Trotsky was Lenin's right hand man, Lenin himself was the head of the Revolution in 1917 and Russia's first Leader. Trotsky's major role in the Revolution was commanding the Red Guards and then the Red Army circa 1918. Stalin was a bookkeeper at this time. Also when Lenin died Trotsky and Stalin both wanted to be leader. Stalin purged the party so he would be elected, the murder of Trotsky in Mexico.
che0lives 8 months ago
@che0lives Stalin had recently gained power in the Soviet and wanted to remove Trotsky from his high powered position as leader of the Red Army. Stalin tried to get rid of Trotsky, and Trotsky even offered his resignation, but the Soviet wouldn't accept it. Stalin got Trotsky moved to southern Russia to push the Whites out of the country and to keep him out of the capital. Then before the Battle of Warsaw against the Polish, Stalin rejected Trotsky's battle plan which led to defeat/destruction
brofan2 8 months ago
wow people fuck politics, music is the only canon i follow
scurlcube 11 months ago
Anarcho-Communism <3
We stay together!
solidarity from Germany!
olihatneblume 1 year ago 4
I'm a class struggle anarchist and you're an angry insurrectionary anarchist.
Pogs4Fathersday 1 year ago
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lightofidea 1 year ago
they remind me of how green day first sounded when they started
TheSerjicalstrike 1 year ago
@TheSerjicalstrike
Except Green Day mostly sung about women, whereas Against Me! early on were very political.
UTF 1 year ago
who cares nothing ever changes anyways people just talk what the fuck ever! keep talking away
vancitycdog 1 year ago
u believe in authority, i believe in myself
beercan640 1 year ago
wunderschön
GemueseIstDoof 1 year ago
what about supporting neither? doesnt matter which ones elected, different face same pyramid eye. or what about ron paul?
tlsr87 2 years ago
This song is not about Tom's personal views. It is about the history of the 2 parties (Anarchist and Liberal) and their relation between each other. They are both considered to the "left" but they usually oppose each other's views. Tom says he doesn't belong to any party but supported/voted for Obama yet thinks the president needs/needed to dumb down his leftist views a bit.
mutmoo 2 years ago
Actually, Tom is an anarchist. So are all Against Me!.
A lot of people supported Obama, me included (even as a Luxemburg Commie).
The point was strategy voting to prevent Palin from getting elected.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago
It appears you are right about Tom being an anarchist (should have searched that specifically). But he also appears to socio-political. Perhaps he is similar to my own views (I am communist as well) in which his utopian society is anarchist but his realistic views aren't as drastic.
mutmoo 2 years ago
I think you would might find Slavoj Zizek interesting.
Search him up on youtube. The video Slavoj Zizek Marxist 2009 is good.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago
Tom is not an anarchist.
jonkv 2 years ago
@jonkv Yes...yes he is.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago
Really? Then why on the new album is will there be a song called "I was a teenage anarchist". Read into stuff.
jonkv 2 years ago
@jonkv
Very good observations. Can you tell me why they have a song called "stop!".
That song means they are gonna stop.
Propagandhi900 2 years ago
@jonkv because he was when he was a teenager,then he got on the scene and realised its bullshit
thiscommentsux 1 year ago
But by playing the lesser of two evil card you're playing right into their hands.
Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago
@Propagandhi900 How would voting for a liberal (obama) help anarchists ? Wouldn't libertarians have most in line with anarchists ? Libertarians are the exact opposite of a liberal. You would think voting for a small government republican or a Independant Libertarian would be more in tune for anarchists. Communism and Socialism are maximum government. You would think the anti-goverment anarchists would be the extreme right wing in some cases.
tkorenstra 1 year ago
@tkorenstra
If you understood what communsim/socialism and anarchism actually was, you would laugh at the concept that libertarians are close to anarchists.
Propagandhi900 1 year ago 3
@tkorenstra I'm an anarchist who is in complete opposition to (american) liberals, and conservatives. The minarchist libertarians I identify closest with, I used to be one even.
amalwaysawsome 1 year ago
@tkorenstra Communism is no government. Read your Marx. Anarco-Communism=Communism
Potts132 1 year ago
@Potts132 In theory but in pratice...
Anarchyo 1 year ago
@Anarchyo In practice if it has a state then it's not Communism
Potts132 1 year ago
@Potts132 Staline was a communist, Trostky too. And communists want a proletarians dictatorship, a government with proletarians politicians, and after, perhaps, no states. But in practice, communism stay in the stage of the proletarians dictatorship. Read your Bakounine.
Anarchyo 1 year ago
@Anarchyo Stalin as a little of a Communist as you can be and no one cares about Trosky cause he was an idiot.
If it has a state its not Communism any more. It is state Socialism.
I could tell you want you want also, but that would be stupid cause I don't know you, I could use a generalization and just say you want to throw bricks through windows and light cars on fire and use anarchy as an excuse.
We want a stateless and classless society, not a dictatorship, read some Marx
Potts132 1 year ago
@Potts132 Trotsky was far from an idiot and is generally considered, even by the CPSU, to had been the better alternative following Lenin's death. Also, Trotsky is notorious for his play on words, his ability to cause insurrection by speech alone, and as a masterful leader of the Red Guards and Red Army. Trotskyism a faction of Marxism is the most preferrable form of Commun ist state today. Chavez, Castro, that Bolivian dude, Allende, Marcos, etc.. have established states under Trotskyism.
che0lives 8 months ago
@che0lives There is no preferable Communist state, because the state is against (real) Communist ideals. Every leader you named is Communist only in name, not in practice
Potts132 8 months ago 2
@che0lives UUUUUUGHGGHHHH WHAT A MAJOR TOOLBAG > BABY YOU ARENT AN ANARCHIST > TROTSKY WAS FUNDED BY THE ROCKEFELLERS AND ROTHCHILDS TO OVERTHROW RUSSIA> YEAHHHH SOOOO COOL LETS GET FUNDED BY MAJOR BANKING AND OIL FAMILYS TO ESTABLISH A COMMUNIST STATE> AND YEAH DONT EVEN TRY TO DEBATE ME ILL CRUSH YOU PINKO COMMI
stwb420 4 months ago
@stwb420
u seem not to understand politics at all.
lenin f.e. was supportet by the germans when he came to russia, to weaken it in the war.
but was he a german idea? NO!
this is the way it works. people have interests and support other, who help to protect these interests.
but this help does NOT make the supportet people an invention of the supporters!
lordbrainless1 4 months ago
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@stwb420
u seem not to understand politics at all.
lenin f.e. was supportet by the germans when he came to russia, to weaken it in the war.
but was he a german idea? NO!
this is the way it works. people have interests and support other, who help to protect these interests.
but this help does NOT make the supportet people an invention of the supporters!
lordbrainless1 4 months ago
@tkorenstra False
chriscobonham 1 year ago
I like this song. (A) forever!
JenniferFreethinker 2 years ago
If you are an anarchist you should turn off your computer and burn something.
VHShit 2 years ago
? shut up you are talking shit !
DarthRobin1993 2 years ago
dude your a dipshit...
CommonHateTV 2 years ago
so are they liberals or not?
anfieldislife 2 years ago
No they are anarchists !
DarthRobin1993 2 years ago
they claim to be anarchists, but i saw an interview of them slobbering on obama's knob. so they are either butt f#cking liberals, or retards who didn't know any better. Even thought most of my fellow americans have downs syndrome, i bet its the former. i still like the song though.
fightevryone 2 years ago
Two things. One, if you were talking about the video I think you were, then they were saying that Obama is the best choice for the country. So yes, that is not the traditional FIGHT THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT stance of anarchy, but even the anarchists have to pick a side. Revolution doesn't happen over night, and it is better if the anarchists show support to one candidate or another, because who ever the 'ruler' or 'president' is can make our jobs alot harder.
greyelf437 2 years ago
And two, they're political views have changed. I'm pretty sure they've said that straight up in interveiws too. Tom's becoming a father, and hes getting older. The anarchist lifestyle isnt easy for them him to sustain any more. He HAS sold out, but he still makes honest music. I have no doubt that he would support an anarchist revolution, but I don't think he feels he has the means to help create it any more, if you get my point.
greyelf437 2 years ago
2 things, one, he chose a marxist as his leader, thats about as far from anarchism as you can get, so no he is not an anarchist. obviously they were just playing pretend because teen angst "cool" or "hip" 2, quit swinging from this dudes balls. i
fightevryone 2 years ago
Who was the marxist your referring to? And I disagree that they were playing just to be cool.
greyelf437 2 years ago
you fought for stalin, i fought for freedom. <3
TylerDurdenFraction 2 years ago 30
Pretty cool...
..though being an anarchist does not (necessarily) mean to burn cars and flags =)
Bakkpakka 2 years ago 43
its provocation and to draw a line an d show that liberals dont really fight for their ideas sry for my bad english im from germany and im anarchist ^^
DarthRobin1993 2 years ago
Bin auch aus Deutschland.
Hoch die internationale Solidarität!
Bakkpakka 2 years ago
du meinst die antinationale ^^
DarthRobin1993 2 years ago
Kommt drauf an. Wenn viele Bürgerliche da sind eher "inter-", wenn viele andere so wie wir da sind dann "anti-" :)
Bakkpakka 2 years ago
immer antinational! :D
(A)
hopperklopper22 2 years ago
I think its even more than that, liberals are not revolutionary, and in spite of the term liberal they are most singularly authoritarian,at least here in the states they are. The right wing seems to want to strengthen private power(wich influences gov.)while the liberal left wants to strengthen state power(as long as they get there private share)...both are two sides of the same coin as far as I'm concerned.
kviapunx 2 years ago
I get your point. Both do not want to achieve freedom.
...but the first and most important freedom of all is the freedom from needs (hunger, sickness etc.). That has to be achieved first, before personal freedom can be established. My opinion. Baby, I'm a communist.
Bakkpakka 2 years ago
@Bakkpakka well anarchisms open to interpretation isn't it
tvcrunkfool 10 months ago
Baby...
Great song. Liberals suck.
demokratieistunsinn 2 years ago 2
Cool
TheEntropicCatalyst 3 years ago 3