this isnt the top line in the CA series no other action will be different than this ,besides the yamaha avant grands wich use a real grand piano action , i think this kawai action is really impresive
I have a CE200 and I LOVE it. However, I have a sticking key, and rather than truck it accross town to the nearest dealer, I would like to crack it open and see if it's just a lubrication issue. I have the service manual, but it gives no guidance at all. Any advice on whether it's worth the attempt and how to approach the disassembly?
where is the actual mechanism for creating sound? that is, where and what do the hammers strike? is it the row of black things behind the keys or the bar that the white part of the keys hit above them?
Hi, I need to replace a couple of chipped keys on my CA18, I believe it has exactly the same keyboard as the CA51, can anyone give me any advice, I need to know once I've got the lid off, how do i get the keys out in the correct manner without damaging anything?
Though it might "feel nice" to open your piano and see a, neat, noiseless, spring-type, compact action, such a "neat" action would ruin the best digital piano action on the market. Often, design decisions are about tradeoffs.
I played all brands --for hours--in a quiet room, and my choice came down to the Roland HP-207 and the Kawai CA-51. The Yamaha did not impress me. The Kawai was designed with wonderful dynamics in its tone and expressive, smooth action, just a pleasure to play.
Here's a stupid questiion: Why does it matter if the keys are made of wood? They are covered in ivory-like plastic anyway, and whatever balance or weight you want to achieve, there's no reason that plastic with metal weights isn't going to achieve an identical feel. After all, real pianos have lead weights too.
Please note that I am not saying that this isn't the best DP action ever. I just don't see why it has to be wood, other than for prestige reasons.
some people are incapable of owing an acoustic piano based on room, living arrangements, or an active lifestyle. A good example is someone who goes away for school. An acoustic piano would be too cumbersome and would have to be tuned whenever moved.
While some people may desire an acoustic piano, it just may not be practical.
My opinion is that a great digital piano sounds and feels much better then a poor acoustic piano.
A great acoustic piano - well that's a work of art.
for the key touch weights on their website is false....................my CA51 keys are far heavier than they state and they are not willing to do anything about it.
Kawai also claim that the AWA pro action is like an acoustic grand action..................it is not.
It does not repeat as good an acoustic grand.............the repetition is more like an acoustic upright.
I don't understand the point. You're showing "noise of keys"? If you cut the strings out of an acoustic piano and played it, the keys would makes some sound. Where are you going with this? The point is -- as many have wisely replied --- that the feel and movement of the AWA action is clearly superior to other brands.
this is interesting, im considering buying this as well. my primary other option is a yamaha clp 330, do you know anything about that, to be able to compare the two? if so, which would you consider the better buy?
Sorry, I don't know much about Yamahas. At the time, when I bought this Kawai two years ago, I was considering maximum maximum key action realism and the best models compared to this one were too much expensive. The probably have much better build quality and reliability though.
exactly, that's the thing, isnt it? its a difficult compromise to make. i want they keys to be and feel as natural as possible, but given your incredibly informative video, im not sure a piano this noisy is what i want to be going for. the clp 330 feels good playing, and i dont think i could afford the extra 700 or so dollars that the wooden key models (340 and up) cost, even if i would prefer that. im getting a rly good price whichever one i choose, which also makes it very difficult... :S
The kawai CA51 is not more noisy than another DP. All DP are noisy sound off.
CA51 touche is utterly different than CLP330 or 340. In my opinion clp 340 is not realistic, too stiff, and not progressive. Roland HP201 203 or 207 is a good choice too.
that is just the kind of stuff i need to hear! what about sound? as far as i know, yamaha still has the upper hand in terms of sound quality? the 330 sounds good i think, though not that good. i have also been considering the 340, which sounds even better. do you know enough about them to make a comment on that?
Keys are very sturdy, but maybe there would be some problems with key velocity potentiometers in the long run if you use to continuously play very hard. I don't know about their reliability, though.
Keys are about as heavy as those on my upright acoustic piano. I don't know how they are compared to a real grand piano because I never played one, but many say that the feel is very similar to one.
What I can say about realism, again, compared to my upright acoustic piano, is that keys don't "vibrate" when strings are struck and that the feel of the escapement system is not recreated.
What are you specifically demonstrating here with the Kawai CA-51? Are you trying to show that the key action is noisy? I am considering buying this piano, so any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
Demonstrating how the action works and reacts under different situations (plus some extras). Yes, it's a bit noisy (still very much less than a real piano though). If you live in a flat your neighbors won't like you very much because some vibrations will be audible (and transmitted to the floor), even if you put your digital piano on a carpet.
This is definitely not a digital piano for people who seek silence.
this isnt the top line in the CA series no other action will be different than this ,besides the yamaha avant grands wich use a real grand piano action , i think this kawai action is really impresive
khandbleachfan 3 months ago
Does it have the famous graded hammer effect?
DigitalPianist 4 months ago
please upload a video of new RM3 grand keyaction, what is the diffence between AWA grand II and RM3 ?
casioPX500L 1 year ago
Kawai doesn't want you to see it because unlike Roland
the hammers don’t have escapement.
On the Roland you can fire off the
escapement for high speed trilling.
Good post.
PublicYahoo 1 year ago
I have a CE200 and I LOVE it. However, I have a sticking key, and rather than truck it accross town to the nearest dealer, I would like to crack it open and see if it's just a lubrication issue. I have the service manual, but it gives no guidance at all. Any advice on whether it's worth the attempt and how to approach the disassembly?
nothingUnrealExists 1 year ago
I don't get the scandal aspect of it...
robcat2075 1 year ago
where is the actual mechanism for creating sound? that is, where and what do the hammers strike? is it the row of black things behind the keys or the bar that the white part of the keys hit above them?
jamesh625 1 year ago
Hi,
I dont think the raised G key is damaged.
Apply an extra hard fingerstroke to it, and it should settle down again.
HTH,
Peter
hpeterh 2 years ago
Hi, I need to replace a couple of chipped keys on my CA18, I believe it has exactly the same keyboard as the CA51, can anyone give me any advice, I need to know once I've got the lid off, how do i get the keys out in the correct manner without damaging anything?
Cheers for any help?
ARUK1 2 years ago
Though it might "feel nice" to open your piano and see a, neat, noiseless, spring-type, compact action, such a "neat" action would ruin the best digital piano action on the market. Often, design decisions are about tradeoffs.
I played all brands --for hours--in a quiet room, and my choice came down to the Roland HP-207 and the Kawai CA-51. The Yamaha did not impress me. The Kawai was designed with wonderful dynamics in its tone and expressive, smooth action, just a pleasure to play.
jwh6f 2 years ago
Thanks for showing! I also own a CA51.
Viesrood 2 years ago
Here's a stupid questiion: Why does it matter if the keys are made of wood? They are covered in ivory-like plastic anyway, and whatever balance or weight you want to achieve, there's no reason that plastic with metal weights isn't going to achieve an identical feel. After all, real pianos have lead weights too.
Please note that I am not saying that this isn't the best DP action ever. I just don't see why it has to be wood, other than for prestige reasons.
Superphilipp 2 years ago
if this digital piano did not meet your standards, why not just buy a real piano?
abetakaya2oofuri 2 years ago
some people are incapable of owing an acoustic piano based on room, living arrangements, or an active lifestyle. A good example is someone who goes away for school. An acoustic piano would be too cumbersome and would have to be tuned whenever moved.
While some people may desire an acoustic piano, it just may not be practical.
My opinion is that a great digital piano sounds and feels much better then a poor acoustic piano.
A great acoustic piano - well that's a work of art.
CPUOverclocker64 2 years ago
the touch is as good as an acoustic upright, but too heavy for really sensitive espressive playing.
The stiff touch does also not help with general legato..........
flugelmaniac 2 years ago
the action is good compared to most
other digital pianos but Kawai's claim
for the key touch weights on their website is false....................my CA51 keys are far heavier than they state and they are not willing to do anything about it.
Kawai also claim that the AWA pro action is like an acoustic grand action..................it is not.
It does not repeat as good an acoustic grand.............the repetition is more like an acoustic upright.
flugelmaniac 2 years ago
I don't understand the point. You're showing "noise of keys"? If you cut the strings out of an acoustic piano and played it, the keys would makes some sound. Where are you going with this? The point is -- as many have wisely replied --- that the feel and movement of the AWA action is clearly superior to other brands.
MeSOSYou 2 years ago
this is interesting, im considering buying this as well. my primary other option is a yamaha clp 330, do you know anything about that, to be able to compare the two? if so, which would you consider the better buy?
Fumoffuuu 2 years ago
Sorry, I don't know much about Yamahas. At the time, when I bought this Kawai two years ago, I was considering maximum maximum key action realism and the best models compared to this one were too much expensive. The probably have much better build quality and reliability though.
shirakawa2 2 years ago
exactly, that's the thing, isnt it? its a difficult compromise to make. i want they keys to be and feel as natural as possible, but given your incredibly informative video, im not sure a piano this noisy is what i want to be going for. the clp 330 feels good playing, and i dont think i could afford the extra 700 or so dollars that the wooden key models (340 and up) cost, even if i would prefer that. im getting a rly good price whichever one i choose, which also makes it very difficult... :S
Fumoffuuu 2 years ago
The kawai CA51 is not more noisy than another DP. All DP are noisy sound off.
CA51 touche is utterly different than CLP330 or 340. In my opinion clp 340 is not realistic, too stiff, and not progressive. Roland HP201 203 or 207 is a good choice too.
badtoper 2 years ago
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flugelmaniac 2 years ago
really? due to the wooden keys? i take it you have played both pianos? anything else you'd like to add to the comparison? :)
Fumoffuuu 2 years ago
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flugelmaniac 2 years ago
that is just the kind of stuff i need to hear! what about sound? as far as i know, yamaha still has the upper hand in terms of sound quality? the 330 sounds good i think, though not that good. i have also been considering the 340, which sounds even better. do you know enough about them to make a comment on that?
thanks btw!
Fumoffuuu 2 years ago
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flugelmaniac 2 years ago
so, how was it? you satisfied? :)
Fumoffuuu 2 years ago
@Fumoffuuu I have found a picture of Yamaha GH3 3 rd sensor and upload video of the keyaction. I think Kawai RM3 action is best for moment
casioPX500L 1 year ago
Keys are very sturdy, but maybe there would be some problems with key velocity potentiometers in the long run if you use to continuously play very hard. I don't know about their reliability, though.
shirakawa2 3 years ago
Cool! How heavy are these keys? Are they as heavy as the keys on a real piano? Does it really feel like a real piano?
baby002 3 years ago
Keys are about as heavy as those on my upright acoustic piano. I don't know how they are compared to a real grand piano because I never played one, but many say that the feel is very similar to one.
What I can say about realism, again, compared to my upright acoustic piano, is that keys don't "vibrate" when strings are struck and that the feel of the escapement system is not recreated.
shirakawa2 3 years ago
I am considering the CA51.Thanks a lot for the info!
baby002 3 years ago
It's lighter than my grand piano.
badtoper 3 years ago
@shirakawa2 Are the keys are made of wood?
DigitalPianist 4 months ago
@DigitalPianist Yes, but it wasn't really high quality wood. It also had some manufacturing defects.
PS I don't own this digital piano anymore.
shirakawa2 4 months ago
addictive vid LOL can't stop watching those hammers flicking...
leeyowon2 3 years ago 3
same problem here :D:D
krone191 3 years ago
Yes indeed... It's funny to watch over and over >=)
underverser 3 years ago
What are you specifically demonstrating here with the Kawai CA-51? Are you trying to show that the key action is noisy? I am considering buying this piano, so any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
sanfyman 3 years ago
Demonstrating how the action works and reacts under different situations (plus some extras). Yes, it's a bit noisy (still very much less than a real piano though). If you live in a flat your neighbors won't like you very much because some vibrations will be audible (and transmitted to the floor), even if you put your digital piano on a carpet.
This is definitely not a digital piano for people who seek silence.
shirakawa2 3 years ago