Rise Against - Re-Education (Through Labor): Making Of The Video

[SlipknoTMaggoT118]

anyone that wants to organize a peaceful protest msg me

[T16Akatsuki]

the song is so about the holocaust, and the nazis (this is not a joke or ming fun of someone)

[ilyA7x]

no it's not about nazis, stupid

[jimnsueh]

In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.

[ThePennytones]

why must bands push their opinions on their fans? enough with the hippie nonsense and play

[VeganMotorcyclePilot]

push, you are pitiful. Its called countering big business commercials full of lies. Go listen to some pop music then you fool.

[ThePennytones]

this is pop

[Corrothive]

what's your proof that big businesses lie. Besides what other people have told you to believe.

[tm18241]

They don't push their opinions down anyone's throat. Either listen to what they have to say or don't. It's that simple.

[RAMD0M]

rise against rocks hard

=]=]

rite next 2 linkin park

[101ZOOYORK101]

those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make a violent revolution inventible

your choice *peace*

[crisistwins]

I've noticed there old albulms were medocre beginnings but the best part was when it all came together in the middle. This new albulm is about keeping unity all the way.

[sportstud7]

I love when people try to fight over Youtube. What are you really trying to protect? You're humoring the other person whenever you send him a reply. Just nod your head and move on with your life...

[SimplyBlink07]

COMMUNISM , all the way.

[bruce842659]

i honestly agree. although humanity itself is still unable to function as a hole, thats the only reason why communism is unable to work, most if not all of the time, its not the goverment but its humanity thats to blame for all. Sadly a great majority is still unable to see, and rather act on what the believe is right rather than what they should do T.T

[prjctcivilian]

there is no such thing as human nature. human behavior has always adapted and fit the mode of production + culture + religion + many other externalities that shape the morality, principles and actions of a society. Greed and such is developed by a minority of ruling class who generate the characteristic amongst all those below for the ones below must adapt to the hierarchy inorder to survive. Even if ppl were evil how would that destroy true communism

[DannyXavierCastillo]

ThePackShot your right. AngryBob your a dumbass fyi almost capitialist countries are also poor. Socialism=helping people . Capitalism= screwing people. The US thrives in screwing people in other countries. People are rising, so be surprised when this actually happens. And we wonder will every one in the world hates. The US stands for freedom for its own people but supports not given people in other countries freedom because of corporations thriving in cheap labor.

[ThePackShot]

You guys are overlooking the song's point this could happen it took few men to declare this country and if the system can no longer help ppl it up to us to form a more perfect union just as the point of the song get a if we can hold peaceful revolution it going to be violent it only took a couple of men to declare this country it can take a couple of people to fix this country fixing this country is up to us so stop arguing and think of a way because every second you argue we are wasting time

[0n1n3]

What if this way of thought was all a mechanism of defense to keep you in line? As if anyone would ever punch a cop or throw a rock at a soldier. Some of us ARE cops, some of us ARE SOLDIERS. Think about it... They are controlling your mind, that is how they came this far!

[0n1n3]

If anyone starts reading this, begin at the "You guys have to understand" post. Don't blame me, blame the character count. :P

[0n1n3]

Honestly, think about what would happen if someone really blew up an entire city. Do I even need to say it? You know what would happen, there would be Martial Law. I dont even have to say it. The british declared M.L. when revolutionaries threw some tea over into the ports at boston. Its just like ranting... a random riot, blow something up or not. The POWER was in the pen with each name as declaration, screaming in harmony; "Sorry, We Will NOT!". That is why something like this video wont hpn.

[0n1n3]

Have you ever heard the saying, "A sins of a parent die in their children"? It's true because you may change your mom or dad's mind about something but EVERYONE will not listen to you, a majority of people will just ignore you. That's the sad cold truth of reality and that is how we are now. Some ppl you just cant and wont get through to. This change will require all of us together walking forward into a new generation. Use your mind, thats what they dont want.

[0n1n3]

You guys have to understand that this "first world" is contemptuous of the second and third worlds. It is seen as barbaric even if you show compassion, it doesn't matter. To act without regard to others is not in our nature, and that is what they are preying on... like a mantis, to prey/hunt. It is mind games we have to break through if we want a true social revolution of all these old ways and old ideals. We can't change people, but we can raise our kids differently, we can try to move on...

[hosj89]

Andrew short came out to this song at indy supercross it was bad ass

[psychoguitarist93]

This song is so good, the band is too, they never fail to bring points or opinions to people's attentions.

I love the line " causes without rebels " which means to me that there's some things that we all over look or forget about and they can escalate and get out of hand

[BANGyouFACE]

DUH FUCKTARD wat do u expect them to do????? CHANGE THE FUCKIN WORLD!!!!!!they cant do anything becuz Everybody in this country only listens to famous people With a lot of money or regular people with a lot of money....and you know its true........its just a song.....there not telling you to do anything big.... there just saying we have a shit load of fuckin options but most people dont take them.....

[m0bi]

In a time when the streets of the U.S. are finally starting to see fires of rage, I thought this band was condoning the escalation, but instead, sadly, they are only 'warning' people of it.

"We built these cities, we are not the least afraid of ruins"

- late anarchist Buenaventura Durruti

(during the Spanish Civil War)

[JpN114]

the countries where revolution is due is china, north korea,etc but americas youth is the last people on earth who need revolution,look at us, where so damn priveledged,stop whining and startpetitioning and help out darfur, sudan,etc as for Iraq,the war was wrong,but we have to take moral responsibility by cleaning up the mess we made in there. americans are brainwashed by the media into thinking that the american haters are the majority in iraq and lets not abandon them like we did in vietnam.

[AV7RAWKS]

thats what i think 2

[junior8219]

the smartest thing i heard a liberal say in the longest time. This whole music video is filled with trust fund kids talking about revolution with their dyed hair and punky outfits. I bet that was a fun trip to the mall to buy all that stuff. Such crap! Kids in America have every option at their fingertips, all they want to do is be like everyone else. if everyone is being an individual and end up dressing the same way than arent you conforming to that? same thing if everyone hates america!!!

[m0bi]

Yea, like that kid who was hogtied face down and shot in the back in Oakland.

And in response: Oakland Burned!

Just like Greece was (and still is) as a response of us dying at the whims of authority.

We have real problems that you might not realize exist, but we are living them.

We have 2 options at our fingertips, submit or fight back.

[JpN114]

the countries where revolution is due is china, north korea,etc but americas youth is the last people on earth who need revolution,look at us, where so damn priveledged,stop whining and start petitioning and help out darfur, sudan,etc as for Iraq,the war was wrong,but we have to take moral responsibility by cleaning up the mess we made in there. americans are brainwashed by the media into thinking that the american haters are the majority in iraq and lets not abandon them like we did in vietnam.

[angrybob101]

i agree. I'm not saying that they lost like half their population, or a quarter. they haven't lost any where near what the total population of the city of Pittsburgh and its suburbs.

[ryebud258]

exactly.

[JpN114]

yeh fo show, lets start a new movement called "liberals for moral responsibility", its the kind of liberalism that makes sense.

[necronx45]

And we can start a new movement called "Liberals For Common Sense And Logic",its the Liberalism that is based on thinking,not on George Carlins "Bigger Dick" foreign poilcy.

[rrandomhero]

electing a new president isnt going to change ANYTHING. idiots, the only one who can change the world is YOU. be heard, raise some red flags, blow some whistles, get out there and MAKE change happen.

[nickhabs1992]

Tim for president.

whos with me

[BlackRoses713]

I am!!!! He'd be the best president this country has ever seen.

[TruckinProductions]

MCILARTH

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PRINCIPE

 08

[wyza1]

The fact is, there were no WMD's found. And one thing that the american media didn't show in full were the wepons of mass distruction they used on people in iraq. No offence to anyone, but I personaly don't belive it is right for a counrty to claim there looking for WMD's and end up basically distroying a country using it's own brand of weapons which could be cnsidered WMD's. But of corse it's america, they can do what ever the fuck they want. and their still the good guys.

[angrybob101]

also there were AlQueda cells in there.

[angrybob101]

wya, you are an idiot. the UN inspectors went in before the war to look for the WMD's. they destroyed many, but they weren't allowed in many sensitive areas and there was no way of knowing how many WMD's there were. also, do you think we just went in and slaughtered random people left and right? we didn't. we used precision missiles, not carpet bombing. we didn't use any nukes, bio, or chemical weapons. we only took out hostiles. there were also AlQueda terror cells in place there. we are good.

[angrybob101]

*we are the good guys*

ran out of space.

[MajorHickE]

These guys are f*cking amazing. This is exactly what we need right now. Our time to retaliate on the powers that be draws near.

[XXMBKINGXX]

haha ur country being control by a black guy HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA....England Being control buy a FUCKING OLD HAG THT NEED TO DIE FOR GOD SACK .....

[mythindude]

obama is gonna win not cuz of votes cuz he was chosen

your vote doesnt count people open yer eyes

obama---bush's 9th* cousin

member of cfr

possibly free mason but i doubt it

look it up

=]

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

If mccain wins the election, then yes i will resort to having to blow shit up...while "re-education" plays.

[GetAJob67]

you serious? mccain is way better than obama

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

So you think a senile warmonger that's only going to make our economy worse when he gets us into wars with Iran and Russia while staying in Iraq ($10 bill a month) for the next several years, wants to reinstitute the draft, wants to continue using the same Bush policies that haven't been working at all, flip-flops more than Hilary, and has a total dumbass of a vice president with no exp that is only one of this guy's heartbeats away from becoming president is better than Obama. Scary thing.

[GetAJob67]

for starters, mccain is not a "warmonger." if terrorists are trying to destroy america, that is a good reason to go to war. second off, obamas economy ideas are far worse than mccains. he wants to build the economy from the bottom up, which has not worked before. he also wants to increase taxes and increase government spending by 3 trillion dollars which is a bad idea especially since our economy isnt the best now. and as for palin, she is WAY more experienced then obama.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

For starters, McCain IS a warmonger. He wants to spend money we don't have on unnecessary wars we can't afford and you're eating it up. Iraq alone is costing us $10 billion a month. Add on the other wars McCain wants to get us into and tell me that's not worse for our economy than anything Obama plans to do. On top of this, you think that Palin's 2 years of being governor is more exp than Obama's 12 yrs of federal and state gov exp. Not only are you watching the wrong video, but you're an idiot

[GetAJob67]

obama was in the senate for 142 days before he threw his hat in the ring to run for president. so dont bullshit me on obama having experience. and tell me......how is iraq unnecessary if there are people building bombs that want to blow the shit out of america? thats a decent reason to go to war

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

You think Iraq was necessary!? The president's reason to invade Iraq was that there were WMDs. THERE WEREN'T ANY. They never had weapons of mass destruction. Where have you been for the past few years?

Also, whether you like it or not, Obama has had way more experience than Palin and a few past presidents. Obama = 12 yrs federal andstate gov experience. Palin = Mayor of a small Alaskan town and Alaskan governor for 2 years. You have no argument, so stop making a fool of yourself.

[GetAJob67]

want to know why there weren't any WMDS? they were moved. it is a fact that they were in iraq. where have you been for the past few years? and obama IS one of the most inexperienced people to ever run for president. he was a community organizer and then accomplished nothing in the senate (for the short time he was there. palin at least accomplished something. tell me 3 things obama has accomplished

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Well, if it's a known fact that the WMDs were just moved, then you should have no problem showing me proof.  Oh, wait, you can't. You see, you, much like all other stubborn republicans, are caught up in this delusion that after 5-years in Iraq, that there were WMDs and that they just magically disappeared somehow. Get real. The Bush administration used that point to manipulate the public into backing a war that has taken hundreds of thousands of lives and it sure as hell worked on you. hah

[GetAJob67]

ummm...there were recovered documents that were translated into english that showed that there WERE WMDS in iraq. also the usa has found over 500 chemical weapons since 2003. and you never told me 3 things obama has accomplished

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

In the state senate, Obama has added health ins for 20,000 children, increased min wage, and made death penalty reform, probing police profiling

In the federal senate, he created a program with Lugar to locate and dismantle stray Russian WMDs from the Cold War, toured Kuwait, Israel, Jordan, and Palestinian territories telling Palestinian authority that it would never recognize Hamas leaders until they renounced that they'd attack Israel, cosponsoring the Secure Orderly Immigration Act, etc.

[angrybob101]

obama sucks

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

...Then what does that say about McCain? Because he got absolutely owned in the election.

[angrybob101]

i knew Obama was going to win, but McCain is better suited. i disagree with his choice of Pailin though. she does have more experience than Obama but she still doesn't have enough

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Also, I said SHOW ME EVIDENCE of WMDs.

Not only did you not show evidence that those documents existed but even if you did, that's not evidence of WMDs. Anyone can say anything.

Everyone has already accepted that there were no WMDs in Iraq, even the Bush administration, even members of the CIA that also reported that Bush wanted war with Iraq from the beginning and nothing was going to stop that. So how long do you think it will take for you to get over it?

[GetAJob67]

well i don't physically own the documents, nor do i own a chemical weapon dug up from the sands of iraq, if thats the kind of proof you want. but if you watched the news 2 years ago, there were many reports about WMDS being found in iraq and documents being recovered. and about ur CIA thing is a load of shit. ANYone can say anything. and you are saying I dont have proof but you arent backing anything up with any facts. you are the average american who conforms to the media and is clueless.

[GetAJob67]

of whats really going on

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"well i don't physically own the documents, nor do i own a chemical weapon dug up from the sands of iraq"

I meant show me evidence as in prove it, provide a link to something that shows that there is definite evidence of the bullshit your spewing, but you can't, you have to resort to sarcasm, already a sign that you know you're losing

"ur CIA thing is a load of shit. ANYone can say anything."

Anyone can, but who am I gonna believe, a kid with no facts, or EXPERTS admitting that they're wrong?

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"you are the average american who conforms to the media and is clueless."

"if you watched the news 2 years ago, there were many reports about WMDS being found in iraq and documents being recovered"

- GetAJob67

I must be losing my mind. It seemed like you just accused me of believing everything the media tells me without seeing evidence, while you're going with this horseshit argument of WMDs being in Iraq and can't provide evidence even when I ask you to! Way to conform to the media, dumbass!

[GetAJob67]

i saw this on the news, not on the web, so i do not have a link. there is more ways to find things out other than the internet. havent you watched Oliver North? and how is believing in a LIVE (sometimes live) video broadcast conformming to the media? when i said conform to the media, i mean the ideas of all of the biased networks..........and you are hung up on evidence, but you arent backing up your statements.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"i saw this on the news, not on the web, so i do not have a link."

"you are the average american who conforms to the media and is clueless."

"when i said conform to the media, i mean the ideas of all of the biased networks"

- GetAJob67

I'm seeing a little bit of hypocrisy here. Suddenly the news you watch is accurate and the news I watch is biased just because you can't find evidence of WMDs in Iraq which is all the evidence I asked you for bc that's all it takes to prove you wrong. Nice.

[GetAJob67]

tell me how that is hypocrisy. i saw it on the news. what i meant by conforming to the media is when you conform to the IDEAS....not live reports. (and its not possible to conform to something that happened) oliver north who reports LIVE from iraq is not conforming. and if you watch CNN, then yes, your news is biased. im not going to lie to you...i did not see this on the internet. i watched it on live tv, which i cannot provide a link for. and how am i proven wrong because i watch the news?

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"if you watched the news 2 years ago, there were many reports about WMDS being found in iraq and documents being recovered"

Well, if there were many reports, you should have no problem finding one. Until then, you are simply conforming to an idea whereas I believe that there were no WMDs in Iraq because THERE WERE NONE. Hell, if you say I'm conforming to the media with that belief, then I guess so is the president, the CIA, all branches of government, and the America's conscious population.

[GetAJob67]

tell me how watching the news proves me wrong. and under ur "people ive debunked" list......u haven't debunked me. uve just told me i was wrong and nothing more to back urself up. and if i am wrong, the i suppose that all intelligence reports from other countries (and the usa) in the past was wrong....sure ill just listen to you over that

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

You can't give me proof that Iraq had WMDs, which was the whole reason for invading Iraq in the first place, yet you think Iraq was a success = You got DEBUNKED

You being hypocritical and accusing me of believing whatever I hear on the news while you were the one who referenced news in general to back up your already pathetic argument = hypocrisy.

[GetAJob67]

i said it was necessary to go into iraq, not that iraq was a success. and you aren't even backing up your statements with information, you just give assumptions. if you're so attached to proof then give some. hell, if thats your definition of debunked, then you got debunked . and how come you only read certain parts of my responses? i have already explained what i meant by "conform to the media" in other comments.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"if you're so attached to proof then give some. hell, if thats your definition of debunked, then you got debunked"

CIA officials and Bush admitted that there were no WMDs in Iraq, yet you can't provide proof that there were WMDs. You're just assuming there were with absolutely no foundation for your argument because you have no evidence. = Debunked

[GetAJob67]

and my pathetic argument? you can only bash my comments and tell me i am wrong, but can do nothing more than that. your argument is pathetic.... and angry bob completely tore you apart on your alliances comment. as i said earlier, you do nothing more than wishfully assume things. have a nice day.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"angry bob completely tore you apart on your alliances comment"

He was actually completely wrong, and must not have been old enough to remember what was going on at the time of Iraq's invasion because I tore him completely apart in my response.

"you do nothing more than wishfully assume things"

You do nothing but wishfully assume that WMDs were in Iraq! Because you have no evidence! Get owned!!! hahaha

[angrybob101]

look up "alliance" in a dictionary

allies don't agree on everything. oh, and you have no evidence that we're wrong. you are using circular reasoning. if you don't know what that is, here's an example: "a fly is like a mosquito, and a mosquito is like a fly." your arguments are the same every time we try to tell you the truth.

YOU GOT PWNED!!!!!

[angrybob101]

you put me under you "debunked" list.

you only have been saying im wrong and that you're right. that is an argument of a three-year-old. GROW UP!!! also, you STILL HAVEN'T told us where you got your info. we told you we got it from LIVE reports, which can't be altered to be biased. now, where did you get your evidence?

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"you only have been saying im wrong and that you're right"

That's literally exactly what you're doing. The difference: I actually have foundation to do so because I have brought forth actual evidence and quotes where you just throw out ideas and claim you heard them on live reports. Which is more likely to hold up in court? That's what I thought. That's why your on the list.

[angrybob101]

you, sir, are the drunkard

[GetAJob67]

bush wanted war with iraq from the beginning? then tell me why other countries invaded iraq with us. if what you made up was true, then the USA would have been the only country to invade.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Little things called ALLIANCES. You should look into em.

[angrybob101]

so you're saying the other countries were brain-washed into invading a country, killing random people, as you think we did, for no real reason? alliances don't work that way. in fact, they would have threatened war against us. so you just got P4WNED!!!

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

They came into support us in our unneeded occupation because they, like you and everyone else at the time, believed that there were WMDs in Iraq. There weren't.

OWNED.

[angrybob101]

dude, YOU don't have any evidence. YOU give ME a link to where you are getting your information. you are just a hypocrite. you criticize us for not having any evidence when you don't have evidence either. just accept defeat and stop wasting our time.

PWNED!!!

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

I've been asking you guys for evidence of WMDs in Iraq and you haven't been able to give me any = you guys have no foundation for an argument. I've provided the evidence that we've found NO WMDs in Iraq, which was our whole justification for invasion, AND I've mentioned that CIA officials as well as Bush himself admitted that there weren't any and it was false intelligence. Ask me to provide evidence on any other specific topic, and I'll gladly continue to destroy you guys. :)

[angrybob101]

by your defenition of "evidence" you havent given us any. WE are destroying YOU.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

I just gave you two pieces of evidence. You haven't said ANY AT ALL. You even had 2 hours to respond to my last comment and in that time, you still couldn't acquire any evidence of WMDs let alone make an attempt to salvage your foundationless argument. DEBUNKED.

[GetAJob67]

so, you want us to give you a link, but you don't need to provide anything? according to your definition, you have given no evidence. hypocrite.

[GetAJob67]

that comment made me laugh. i am sorry but i don't sit @ my computer all day. i have something called a life. they are nice, you should get one.

and i already told you, there were documents, WMDS, evidence of other WMDS, chemical weapons (which is classify as WMDS but in case is you don't....) and al qaeda members were there. yes there weren't as many WMDS as we expected, but that is because we gave the terrorists time to dismantle/ move them.

not debunked

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Beginning in late December 2001, President Bush met repeatedly with Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks and his war cabinet to plan the U.S. attack on Iraq even as he and administration spokesmen insisted they were pursuing a diplomatic solution.

Also, the CIAs top weapons inspector in Iraq said that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has gone as far as feasible and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

[GetAJob67]

a meeting does not mean he "wanted war with iraq from the start"

that would be like me saying "obama is a radical terrorist because he shared an office with bill ayers."

it proves nothing

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Here is what I typed: "Beginning in late December 2001, President Bush met repeatedly with Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks and his war cabinet to plan the U.S. attack on Iraq even as he and administration spokesmen insisted they were pursuing a diplomatic solution."

Here's what you must've only read: "Beginning in late December 2001, President Bush met repeatedly with Army Gen. Tommy R. Franks and his war cabinet"

[GetAJob67]

no, i read the whole comment. perhaps you don't understand radical islam. they think that it is for the greater good of god that they bomb us. radical islams believe that they should either convert the world, or destroy them. if there are terrorists whose goal in life is to blow us up.....you can't sit down in a meeting and solve it.......

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didnt"

- George W. Bush

Get debunked completely. You have no evidence AT ALL.

What boggles my mind is why you were even watching this video in the first place. Why would you listen to bands like Rise Against that pretty much debunk you even in their lyrics?

[GetAJob67]

so you can simply type things, and it is evidence, but when i provide evidence, i need a link? there were no STOCKPILES of WMDS......we went into iraq expecting to find cave after cave of WMDS, which we didn't. we DID find some WMDS and traces of WMDS (and other things mentioned earlier) but not the huge amount we expected to. these stories were also not reported by some liberal networks. ive talked to a soldier who has been in iraq for awhile. firsthand accounts are the most important.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Difference between me and you: I use actual quotes and feeds where as you just blindly proclaim that there were WMDs in Iraq with NO EVIDENCE STILL. hahahaha

"these stories were also not reported by some liberal networks"

Are you kidding me!? News outlets and especially Fox News would eat that up if it was even the slightest bit true.

[GetAJob67]

i don't make stuff up, im not always right, but when i debate, i debate under the best of my knowledge, you can accuse me of anything else, but a liar, i am not.

"no evidence still" tell me what you expect as evidence.

[GetAJob67]

i meant the story was buried and went under. mis-speak, my bad. we went into iraq expecting alot more than what we found. we found quite a few chemical weapons, (which technically are WMDS) documents, al qaeda cells, terrorists, but not as many WMDS as we thought there were. because over-all, it wasn't near what we wanted, it went out that we didnt find any. know a soldier from iraq? talk to them if u do.

[GetAJob67]

and this song is about re-education through labor, not iraq. and personally, i don't care about the lyrics (for the most part, except hero of war b/c its stereotypical) rise against sounds good, and that is the #1 thing to look for in a band..... the way rise against comes across in their message is fine. they aren't like pennywise who says "fuck everything". if everybody agreed, republican or democrat, our nation would fail. diverse opinions help the US run

[ryebud258]

If you knew history, you would know that WMD HAVE been used by Hussien on his own people, and the fact that there ARE none has nothing to do with the fact there WERE WMDs. Just look at Desert Storm. And you should also know that since WWII, the U.S. is expected by the nations of the world to stop nations from committing genocide on their own people. The only reason people cosider the war a failure is because it has been turned into a battle of attrition becasue that is why we lost Vietnam.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"there WERE WMDs. Just look at Desert Storm"

...Yeah, except that's Desert Storm. Please inform me of what Saddam was forced to do after Desert Storm, since you know your history so well, and you'll find out why no country has been able to find WMDs in Iraq despite an almost 6 year occupation.

[ryebud258]

The ultimate purpose of desert storm was to stop the genocide in Iraq. That never happened because we pulled out before it could. Now we are back there again, and probably will be back there again if we don't fix the problems. And it doesn't take a geniuos to figure out the WMDs where obviously destroyed or moved to another nation where we wouldn't find them.

[SilentScopeVideos]

The problem with wanting to "fix" the problems is the fact that the people in that region of the world have been fighting each other for over 2000 years. Just because the U.S. comes in doesn't mean that we can stop the circle of violence about religion and beliefs. No one has the power to guide and regulate beliefs. Not to mention the fact of the problems it is causing us as well as the problems we already had to begin with.

[junior8219]

we would have no problems if the American people would realise what ryebud258 just said. as a veteran, the worst thing is knowing that although we believe in the fight, we come home and everyone doesnt care and just wants us home. i could have stayed in a tent for a year and it wouldnt matter to 90% of Americans.

[SilentScopeVideos]

I am assuming you are saying this as a reply to my remark. I know and understand the fight and I help with veterans. I even have a brother in law serving right now with the Army's 4th I.D. as a 2nd Lt. We were fortunate to have him be home for the Christmas season, but he will be going back Christmas Eve to serve the remainder of his deployment.

[junior8219]

Thank you! I am AMAZED at how fast our country can turn and run in the face of oposition. as soon as other countries bail and the war is no longer popular, our country goes the same way! at what point does the slaughter of thousands and discovering torture chambers become not a worthy cause for fighting. Fighting for HUMAN RIGHTS!! the right to live! the shiites lost that right with sadamm and you all will lose that right if we ignore the threats overseas.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Also, way to abandon the alliances argument after I owned you on it. hahaha

[angrybob101]

you havent told me the defonition yet, moron. i did not end the arguement, i didn't have a chance to get on the computer later. therefore, you got owned. we have given you evidence, all you did was quote us and said that we are wrong. your arguement is invalid. it is just "im right and your wrong because i said so." by your defonition of evidence, you haven't given us any either. jackass.

[GetAJob67]

im seeing you change your story. you said that bush wanted war with iraq from the start. then when i responded and said that it wasn't true because we weren't the only nation to invade iraq form the beginning. after that you said that the US formed an alliance. NOw they just came in for support? tell me which story you're going with.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

CIA officials claim Bush wanted war with Iraq from the beginning. When WE invade a country, our ALLIES tend to do the same. That's how it works. Jesus Christ how old are you?

[GetAJob67]

that is not how it always works. and other countries WANTED to invade iraq also, because they also had evidence and intel of WMDS, and spies in iraq. The USA wasn't the only country that had intel, so bush wanting war on iraq from the start simply is not true.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"because they also had evidence and intel of WMDS"

Correction: They had NO evidence but FALSE intel of WMDs.

"bush wanting war on iraq from the start simply is not true"

Proof please? Oh, how dumb of me to ask. hahahaha

[SSpeedy408]

well... 25 years in the senate for McCain has lead to the great world we have today. A 800 billion dollar bailout, 600 Billion Iraq war dept, oh and we owe China 800 million. Yes democrats do raise taxes, but republicans raise dept these individuals with their years of experience have accomplished a lot. Another person had just as much experience in the senate as Obama before being elected President. His name was Abraham Lincoln. Just a thought...

[SSpeedy408]

Well.. With 25 years in the senate McCain has contributed to a 600 Billion dollar war dept, 840 billion dollar Wall street bail out plain, oh yea and we owe China 800 Billion dollars. Yes democrats do raise taxes, but republicans raise debt. Their is another individuals that had just as much experience as Obama before becoming president. Abraham Lincoln. Just a thought...

[GetAJob67]

that is a good point, but having experience is always better. also, obamas ideas arent going to help the nation.

[angrybob101]

they were destroyed by UN weapons inspectors, or hidden, moron. of course they didn't magically disappear. you dint you get a life (and some brains while you're at it)

[angrybob101]

oh, and we only lost roughly 4000, not hundreds of thousands. infact, hundreds of thousands is nowhere near that. actually RESEARCH the topic before you argue about it.

[Aeotiz]

asshole, he means total, not just it.

[angrybob101]

we lost maybe 8000 total, including our allies. the US lost roughly 4000. you, sir or ma'am, are the asshole. YOU are the ignorant fool.

[Aeotiz]

we lost maybe 8000 total including our Allies, but the Iraqis have lost countless lives.

Asshole.

[angrybob101]

well, thanks for peing spacific, dumbshit.

[angrybob101]

oh, and the Iraqies havent lost that many because of us. the militants, who are illegal aleins for the most part, are responsible for that with the carbombs, road-side bombs, and suicide bombers, not our missles, tanks and other

[JpN114]

he's talking about the iraqis that died too, not everything is about the SELFISH american's that we are. that being said, we need to stay in iraq, we fucked up and now we have to clean up.

[angrybob101]

Im not being selfish, i the iraqis keep getting killed by foreign militants, not us or our allies. yes, they have been getting killed a lot, but the havent lost as many as you think. that is probably from a lack of communication between the reporters.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"yes, they have been getting killed a lot, but the havent lost as many as you think."

655,000

I think that IS as many as I think.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

There's no need for a continued military occupation. Iraq needs to get back on its own feet and become self-sufficient without the continued sacrifice of our soldiers and innocent civilians in Iraq.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"oh, and we only lost roughly 4000, not hundreds of thousands. infact, hundreds of thousands is nowhere near that. actually RESEARCH the topic before you argue about it."

We lost roughly 4,000 SOLDIERS. I'm talking about hundreds of thousands of innocent IRAQI CIVILIANS that died because of our needless occupation.

I mean, I know you don't give much of a shit about those people because you support the war, but try to think a little before you type, kid.

[angrybob101]

youre still ranting on this? for God's sake, just let it go. you really have no life, do you? i dont spend every waking moment on the computer.

by the way

obama actually cheered for Regan's assassination, even though it failed. just so you know, one of his classmates said that. (he was in school at the time) Regan was the best President we had since Lincoln. why did he cheer? because all leftists want to have a socialism. they think socialism is going to fix something that doesn't need fixed

[angrybob101]

they think socialism is going to create a perfect utopia. just take a look at every socialist country. they are all poor and in debt.

everyone is going to be heavily taxed, including the homeless. obama is grabbing for power. this is no longer a Republic, but a dictatorship.

Also, back to the origional topic, the invasion took down a dictator and took care of local terror cells.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"Also, back to the origional topic, the invasion took down a dictator and took care of local terror cells."

Really? That's ALL you have to say about the original topic? Yes, we took down a dictator, but was that worth such immense cost to our country as well as Iraq? No. Saying it was is just dumb, reckless, and arrogant.

[cornedbeefandcabbage]

Please show me more proof of Obama "cheering" Regan's assassination attempt other than his classmate.....Did you even read this before you posted it? You have to admit that's a ridiculous statement.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"you really have no life, do you? i dont spend every waking moment on the computer."

You realize it's been over 3 months since I commented on this vid? I rewatched this the other day and remembered all the completely dumbass comments I saw here and decided to reply to them. I know that makes you angry and all because you''re tired of being made a fool of but I'm just trying to help. :)

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"obama actually cheered for Regan's assassination, even though it failed. just so you know, one of his classmates said that."

Oh, yeah, one of his CLASSMATES said that. Very likely to hold up in court. This has nothing to do with the original topic either. Way to dodge facts. :)

[angrybob101]

im not dodging facts. the classmate was interviewed on The Savage Nation on the radio.

do you think i really give a shit?

i dont. youtube is not for political arguements. stop wasting my time.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

"do you think i really give a shit?"

Obviously not, because you haven't mustered one legitimate fact.

"youtube is not for political arguements. stop wasting my time."

HYPOCRITE? You debate on this site all the time. Stop acting like you're going out of your way to entertain all these "unworthy peons" by spewing bullshit in response to their rebuttals of your previous statements.

[angrybob101]

so you are saying a community organizer is a government position. obama has been in the Senate for one term. no other government experience. the whole time in the Senate, he voted "present" and supported a bill to cut off funding for the war, meaning, stop supplying our troops which would kill them. the rest of his time in the Senate he was running for President. he has never been in an executive office before. you tell me, is that experience? you are making a fool of yourself. U R A DRUNKARD!!

[GetAJob67]

nice

[Lawlessprick93]

so you another crazy gun loving, homophobic redneck?

[angrybob101]

its called the Second Amendment. also, people like you are the rednecks. this country was founded on Christian Principles. also, just laws are supposed to keep things orderly, not to please people. of course, laws can be extreme but that cant happen in this country unless the entire government is liberal, which it now is. also, even if there is a ban on guns, people will still get them. it keeps law-biding citizens unprotected against criminals who will still get them. who is the redneck? you.

[angrybob101]

i mean lawlessprick

[GetAJob67]

bush policies that didn't work? you need facts. in October 2003, the economy was growing over 8%. the Dow Jones indicator went from 6,000 to 14,000 from when bush was in office. the stock market was the highest it has ever been in history. consumer confidence at an all time high and low gas prices. Once democrats took over congress, nobody cooperated with him so none of his policies passed & the democrats would gain momentum 4 the election this is a a common political strategy.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Bush's policies didn't work. Facts.

The National debt has increases so much during his time in office that the average American's estimated share of national debt will be $24000, compared to $500 when he first took office.

Under Bush's presidency there were 43 million Americans with no health insurance.

There were only 3.3 million unemployed Americans when he first took office.

He cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

continued...

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

Despite a 13% unemployment rate among those aged 16-24, he eliminated Youth Opportunity Grants so he could have more money for Iraq.

He invaded and occupied two countries at the cost of $1,000,000,000 per week.

Under Bush Legislation, power plants were allowed to emit triple the amount of mercury into the environment.

Despite all of this, he took more vacations than any president in our history, a combined 6 months of vacation.

He repeatedly denied a public investigation into 9/11.

[ZogxUNB0UNDx]

There was a $521,000,000,000 budget deficit less than four years after he inherited a $200,000,000,000 surplus.

Despite the hundreds of billions of dollars that Bush spent on Iraq AS WELL AS states having to cut off public services because they were facing the largest budget crises in history because of it AS WELL AS federal deficit being at a new high because of it, Bush still wanted to award more tax benefits to the wealthy.

END.

[ROBattles]

The quote in the beginning is true.

Arm yourself.

[LemonThe]

one of my favourite bands, along with NOFX, Anti Flag, Against Me! and The Night Watchman (Tom Morrello)

[Element3457]

wtf only 478 views? there need to be more so stupid people dont go "Omgzzzz rise against supports blowing up chicago?!?!?!!oneonee" I get to see rise Against in concert today^^

[zackthebestof]

ha ha yea edgefest! i went to it

[dondondodo]

nice song lol

[mxcndude]

woo 5th comment

[nklslinde21]

wow the singer has a good yell

[mynamejake11]

rise against it one of the best bands in the world talk about how we shouldn't have war :D i belive that to

[rockker9]

rise against.

:)

[aheil4250]

Sweet vid i like them