If one believes a word that comes out of the mouth of a single swampdweller (D.C.), then one thinks that we got the truth regarding the first WTC bombing & Sep 11. One would have to believe in the grandest violations of human nature, common sense & physics to believe a single word of the government's official conspiracy theory regarding Sep 11. The world is catching on to that grand lie.
That's a bullshit excuse. Vote for the candidate you want whether or not he is likely to win. You show your support and he will be back next election and stronger because of it.
anyone paying real attention prior to 9/11 knew there was blowback coming from the previous 20 years of US foreign policy, unfortunately i wasn't one of them, which left me vulnerable to the war party propaganda about them "hating our freeedom", luckily i discovered Ron Paul, Harry Browne bill hicks and others who have opened my eyes to reality.
@SonnyTheWhiteDwarf The Bill of Rights is supposed to apply there, too. It's restrictions on what the US government can do, and there are NO exceptions for foreigners.
OMG. The highjacker were listening to Harry Browne!!! lol Predictions have to be more specific. The WTC is such an obvious target because it is a big economic symbol and it is so close to the coast line :/
@64kix Video proof, right there. The caller asked how he would deal with terrorists, and he said that our foreign policy just leads to more attacks. He was right.
@baalisgod666 so it took us 10 years to hunt is ass down we still fucking got his ass and we will hunt down any who attack us. And we are nazi's by retaliating against those who attack us for religous reasons. I hope your not in america because I personally would want you the fuck out! I didn't serve to protect freedom just to be refrenced to a fucking nazi! We don't go commiting acts of genocide and if you want to claim innocent deaths in our bombings, there is never a way to avoid it wars hell
Another big issue is that terrorists are not limited to what they "can" do. If we fought the "war on terror" like we fought WW2, there wouldn't be enough left of these countries for terrorists to hide in. Terrorist will hide in school, or hospitals and attack any target they see fit. Obviously we can't respond in-kind.
@shanedk The American people deserve retribution, as they deserve security. The U.S. army is fighting hard to crush militant anti-Americanism in the middle-east both physically and politically, and I think they can do it. I also think they can afford it, as long as all the economic problems they have at home can be fixed in a timely fashion, but there is much doubt about that. If it comes down to it, they can also afford to end the war. Terrorism is not a crushing enemy.
He was right in a way, because Osama Bin Laden said he did it because of the US support for Israel and Israel's actions against the palestinians. The only reason he ever gave, but Washington sold a quite different completely made up story about why he attacked. : )
@wakcedout Well, that's the point: we attack them to teach them a lesson to not mess with us; they attack us to teach us a lesson not to mess with them; we then have to attack them again to teach yet another lesson, and on and on it goes, with the lesson never being learned by either side.
@wakcedout how exactly? he killed thousands and was always willing to die, and he got away for nearly 10 years. He inspired thousands to do what he did, and proved to the world, what the real face of the Nazi-USA is. I see no backfire.
@shanedk Well, if by 'cave' you mean 'luxurious fortified villa in a nice neighborhood with all the luxuries a man with more money than most of us will see in our lives can afford' then that's a reasonable description of his hiding place. He was almost certainly still being protected by his patrons in the Pakistani intelligence services, right up until somebody decided that the US was offering a MUCH better bribe.
@shanedk Well, the man wasn't an idiot. Vicious? Yes. Crazy? Most likely. Stupid? No. He is believed to have been at the compound where he was killed for at least 5 years (and the place was built sometime in 2005, so he couldn't have been there for a lot longer than that). I'm sure he didn't really spend 4-5 years in the mountains of Afghanistan playing hide-and-seek with US special forces and all manner of ordinance.
@no1saphead How? He explained how our foreign policy leads to more terror attacks. No, he didn't say "On September 11 of next year 19 hijackers will fly planes into the World Trade towers," but I'm not claiming he's psychic or anything.
@Worldslargestipod How do you figure you owe a chunk of the government's debts? It isn't like you own a piece of it with unlimited liability (like, say, the members of Lloyd's of London).
@evensgrey I owe a chunk of the governments debts because the government has promised someone that the money they lend to the government was repaid. And the only way they can do this is through taxing one particular generation or another. I owe the government 45,000 in the same way a group of slaves owes his master whatever aggregate debts that master incurs.
I'm not making a NORMATIVE claim. I'm making a descriptive claim.
In reality I owe the Government much more than 45,000 dollars.
@shanedk There's something like inherited debt in Japan. At least, they came up with a way of inheriting a mortgage. When it became necessary to amortize over a century to get their housing bubble to keep inflating, they found some means of making mortgages inheritable. Don't ask me how it works, the Japanese have tried a LOT of financial chicanery in recent decades (and been bitten in the ass by it, too).
Do you also find it hypocritical of patriots to mourn the 3000 lives lost on 9/11 for over 10 years, yet just blow off the thousands, if not millions of deaths caused by US foreign policy in the Middle East that triggered the 9/11 attacks in the first place?
@sp00x: Yes. Everyone thought such attacks would continue and all would be based on ground vehicle delivered bombs. Few, if any, thought about using aircraft as flying pile drivers. Remember, too, the intent of the 9/11 Bad Airways pilots was to have the towers fall over and kill 10 thousand Americans (I forget what the figure they quoted was and I mistrust the translations, but it was defintely meant as a very large number). Where they dropped the ball was the same place it still lays.
@RyuDarragh "Few, if any, thought about using aircraft as flying pile drivers."
Complete bullshit. Both Dubya and Clinton had them look into possibilities of terrorists flying planes into the G8 conferences.
Yes, the 1993 bombing was intended to have one tower fall over and take down the other. Apparently, they thought the towers were engineered using the Domino Method.
@shanedk: "The usage of an airliner as a vehicle for delivering a bomb is considered unlikely." - not bullshit. Predicting future terrorist attacks does not require the imaginary powers of a Sylvia Brown... or a Harry Browne. Bin Laden and his merry men had the plans of the towers and thought they could be toppled like dominos, sure enough, but they were not mechanical engineers. Just pointing out this "prediction" was like predicting the sun will come up tomorrow.
@shanedk: Oh, absolutely! Didn't the whole debacle with the Shah of Iran and the 6 days war and more give them enough warning? You could see these groups forming from the first Palestinian / Isreali conflict, fer crying out loud :P
@sp00x ................. That's gotta be what Browne is referring to. People seem to take old references and make them apply to today. We must be programmed that way.
@Kclaybond The caller asked how he would protect us from terrorist attacks. He gave an answer about the future, using the past as a guide. If our "leaders" had done that 9/11 would never have happened.
@MagnusIan To be honest people have been saying their country shouldn't get involved in any foreign affairs for hundreds of years. So its really nothing special that he said it - and doesn't change the other things he's said that are insane or immoral.
I saw it coming from years away as well. Its called BLOWBACK. Our CIA has been fucking with other countries ever since WW2. We've been in a state of war ever since WW2. Read the book- Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since WW2. The CIA trained and armed the Taliban for proxy way against the Soviets. The CIA overthrew Iran to install the Shah. And Saddam, he was one of our boys too. He was a CIA asset that was installed to serve US. When they stop bowing down we attack them.
@shanedk I remember there was some heightened sense of security right before Super Bowl XXV and President Bush Sr. was nervous about the game. I'll have to look up what it was.
I'm so glad I voted for him in 2000.
crowtservo 1 day ago
If one believes a word that comes out of the mouth of a single swampdweller (D.C.), then one thinks that we got the truth regarding the first WTC bombing & Sep 11. One would have to believe in the grandest violations of human nature, common sense & physics to believe a single word of the government's official conspiracy theory regarding Sep 11. The world is catching on to that grand lie.
But Harry Browne? Love him!
restoresoundmoney 1 day ago
I would have voted for this guy ...but noooo..he's not part of a popularity contest of the two party system.
schooder 6 days ago
@schooder He was on the ballot in all 50 states.
shanedk 5 days ago
@schooder
That's a bullshit excuse. Vote for the candidate you want whether or not he is likely to win. You show your support and he will be back next election and stronger because of it.
AndrewDangerously 5 days ago
anyone paying real attention prior to 9/11 knew there was blowback coming from the previous 20 years of US foreign policy, unfortunately i wasn't one of them, which left me vulnerable to the war party propaganda about them "hating our freeedom", luckily i discovered Ron Paul, Harry Browne bill hicks and others who have opened my eyes to reality.
HuxleyWasRight 3 weeks ago
its hillarious how when ron paul brings this simple reality up, people say "oh he just blames america" like he's blaming them as individuals.
natritious1 2 months ago
@SonnyTheWhiteDwarf The Bill of Rights is supposed to apply there, too. It's restrictions on what the US government can do, and there are NO exceptions for foreigners.
shanedk 5 months ago 2
OMG. The highjacker were listening to Harry Browne!!! lol Predictions have to be more specific. The WTC is such an obvious target because it is a big economic symbol and it is so close to the coast line :/
bannedcabron 5 months ago
Our foreign policy was a root cause of terrorism from the middle east? Who would have "thunk" it?
It was as if he was reading tea leafs, but I guess most other government stooges has their heads in the sand when it comes to our foreign policies.
jebus6kryst 5 months ago
@jebus6kryst "It was as if he was reading tea leafs"
Actually, it was as if he was reading data. But reading tea leaves would still probably be more reliable than listening to our government...
shanedk 5 months ago 2
No, he did NOT.
64kix 5 months ago
@64kix Video proof, right there. The caller asked how he would deal with terrorists, and he said that our foreign policy just leads to more attacks. He was right.
shanedk 5 months ago 2
I agree with what he gad to say but all he did was mention the 1993 bombing of the WTC, how is that a warning of 9/11?
freebird285 5 months ago
@freebird285 He said it would happen again if we kept the same foreign policy.
shanedk 5 months ago
@baalisgod666 so it took us 10 years to hunt is ass down we still fucking got his ass and we will hunt down any who attack us. And we are nazi's by retaliating against those who attack us for religous reasons. I hope your not in america because I personally would want you the fuck out! I didn't serve to protect freedom just to be refrenced to a fucking nazi! We don't go commiting acts of genocide and if you want to claim innocent deaths in our bombings, there is never a way to avoid it wars hell
wakcedout 5 months ago
... Could he be referring to the 1993 car bombing of the wtc rather then being prophetic?
TheWordsNotSpoken 5 months ago 10
@TheWordsNotSpoken That, plus the fact that they vowed to try again.
shanedk 5 months ago 5
@shanedk
they? Tim McVeigh?
Dudeatheist 5 months ago
@Dudeatheist No, bin Laden!
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk
But Bin Laden had nothing to do with the first tower attack.
Dudeatheist 5 months ago
@Dudeatheist The 1993 bombers were trained at the Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan. Same crowd.
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk
true, sorry I was confused.
Dudeatheist 5 months ago
He failed to mention the factor that religion plays in all this.
WarmWeatherGuy 5 months ago
George Santayana must be rolling in his grave...
vspqbd 5 months ago
Another big issue is that terrorists are not limited to what they "can" do. If we fought the "war on terror" like we fought WW2, there wouldn't be enough left of these countries for terrorists to hide in. Terrorist will hide in school, or hospitals and attack any target they see fit. Obviously we can't respond in-kind.
Alakrit 5 months ago
@Alakrit Are you HONESTLY saying we don't bomb hospitals and civilian areas and kill innocent people? If so, you're VERY deluded!
shanedk 5 months ago
the WTC was an obvious target anyways. are you a liberatiarian?
rahulpower 5 months ago
@shanedk The American people deserve retribution, as they deserve security. The U.S. army is fighting hard to crush militant anti-Americanism in the middle-east both physically and politically, and I think they can do it. I also think they can afford it, as long as all the economic problems they have at home can be fixed in a timely fashion, but there is much doubt about that. If it comes down to it, they can also afford to end the war. Terrorism is not a crushing enemy.
eggory 5 months ago
He was right in a way, because Osama Bin Laden said he did it because of the US support for Israel and Israel's actions against the palestinians. The only reason he ever gave, but Washington sold a quite different completely made up story about why he attacked. : )
winterstellar 5 months ago
Misleading video title. It's not a prediction.
C0LLIDER 5 months ago
@C0LLIDER It is in the logical sense of the word. I wasn't talking about psychic powers or anything.
shanedk 5 months ago
Problem for bin laden it kind of backfired in his face lol.
wakcedout 5 months ago
@wakcedout Well, that's the point: we attack them to teach them a lesson to not mess with us; they attack us to teach us a lesson not to mess with them; we then have to attack them again to teach yet another lesson, and on and on it goes, with the lesson never being learned by either side.
shanedk 5 months ago
@wakcedout how exactly? he killed thousands and was always willing to die, and he got away for nearly 10 years. He inspired thousands to do what he did, and proved to the world, what the real face of the Nazi-USA is. I see no backfire.
baalisgod666 5 months ago
@baalisgod666 "he killed thousands and was always willing to die"
Really? Is that why he hid in a cave while other people did his dirty work?
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk Well, if by 'cave' you mean 'luxurious fortified villa in a nice neighborhood with all the luxuries a man with more money than most of us will see in our lives can afford' then that's a reasonable description of his hiding place. He was almost certainly still being protected by his patrons in the Pakistani intelligence services, right up until somebody decided that the US was offering a MUCH better bribe.
evensgrey 5 months ago
@evensgrey That wasn't until he escaped into Pakistan.
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk Well, the man wasn't an idiot. Vicious? Yes. Crazy? Most likely. Stupid? No. He is believed to have been at the compound where he was killed for at least 5 years (and the place was built sometime in 2005, so he couldn't have been there for a lot longer than that). I'm sure he didn't really spend 4-5 years in the mountains of Afghanistan playing hide-and-seek with US special forces and all manner of ordinance.
evensgrey 5 months ago
@evensgrey No, apparently he left in a caravan in IIRC 2003. They just went right across the border, with no one stopping to check who they were.
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk Your president hides in the White House and sends YOUR children to do his dirty work too. I like your podcasts, but you are reaching here.
baalisgod666 5 months ago
@baalisgod666 I made EXACTLY that point in the podcast, so I don't know what point you think you're making here.
shanedk 5 months ago
Kind of misleading.
no1saphead 5 months ago
@no1saphead How? He explained how our foreign policy leads to more terror attacks. No, he didn't say "On September 11 of next year 19 hijackers will fly planes into the World Trade towers," but I'm not claiming he's psychic or anything.
shanedk 5 months ago
This video doesn't prove the superiority of a libertarian policy
it just proves that harry brown was a conspirator in the 9/11 bombings. He ought to be executed for his involvement in the attacks.
trolololololol
Worldslargestipod 5 months ago
@Worldslargestipod Might be difficult since he died in 2006.
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk We'll execute his children!
After all... if debts can be intergenerational, why can't crimes be?
Worldslargestipod 5 months ago
@Worldslargestipod Actually, no, children cannot inherit a debt they weren't personally a party to obtaining.
And besides, I understand Autumn's a gun owner, so good luck with that!
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk
"Actually, no children cannot inherit a debt they weren't personally a party to obtaining."
You mean besides government debt?
vspqbd 5 months ago
@vspqbd Nice one!
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk I owe the government roughly 45,000 dollars. That wasn't money I personally borrowed.
Ergo intergenerational debts are legal. :D
Worldslargestipod 5 months ago
@Worldslargestipod How do you figure you owe a chunk of the government's debts? It isn't like you own a piece of it with unlimited liability (like, say, the members of Lloyd's of London).
evensgrey 5 months ago
@evensgrey I owe a chunk of the governments debts because the government has promised someone that the money they lend to the government was repaid. And the only way they can do this is through taxing one particular generation or another. I owe the government 45,000 in the same way a group of slaves owes his master whatever aggregate debts that master incurs.
I'm not making a NORMATIVE claim. I'm making a descriptive claim.
In reality I owe the Government much more than 45,000 dollars.
Worldslargestipod 5 months ago
@shanedk There's something like inherited debt in Japan. At least, they came up with a way of inheriting a mortgage. When it became necessary to amortize over a century to get their housing bubble to keep inflating, they found some means of making mortgages inheritable. Don't ask me how it works, the Japanese have tried a LOT of financial chicanery in recent decades (and been bitten in the ass by it, too).
evensgrey 5 months ago
i agree with what he said on policy but isn't it possible that he was referring to past event such as the wtc bombing of 93
zakattak80 5 months ago
he's referring to the 1993 bombing in retrospect, not as a prediction.
eagleeye1975 5 months ago
@eagleeye1975 It was both, actually. He knew the terrorists wanted to attack us, and he knew the WTC was a target they desired.
shanedk 5 months ago
Moral of the story: blowback is a bitch.
Do you also find it hypocritical of patriots to mourn the 3000 lives lost on 9/11 for over 10 years, yet just blow off the thousands, if not millions of deaths caused by US foreign policy in the Middle East that triggered the 9/11 attacks in the first place?
vspqbd 5 months ago 3
@vspqbd Yes, and all the lives--American and foreign--sacrificed in our government's overreaction since then.
As I said in the podcast, they just don't learn.
shanedk 5 months ago 2
ALEX JONES WAS RIGHT!! THE ALIEN-ILLUMINATI DID FAKE THE PYRAMIDS TO HIDE THEIR INVOLVEMENT IN THE HOLOCAUST AND FAKE MOON LANDINGS.
JegHarEnLillePik 5 months ago
This guy must be rolling in his grave right now. Hey, we should hook him up to a generator and use his grave spinning as an alternative power source!
MutantBamHammer 5 months ago
@MutantBamHammer You've read that in Dresden Codak, eh?
GumbaMasta 5 months ago
I don't think he made any prediction in there, I think he was talking about the 1993 incident.
krakatoa0mikel 5 months ago 2
Sorry Shane, bogosity on your part this time. No prediction, just projection from past events.
kilroy1964 5 months ago
@kilroy1964 What's the difference?
shanedk 5 months ago
Blow up the WTC .. isn't he just referring to the 26 Feb 1993 incident?
sp00x 5 months ago 29
@sp00x yes he is
Yevhen123 5 months ago
@sp00x: Yes. Everyone thought such attacks would continue and all would be based on ground vehicle delivered bombs. Few, if any, thought about using aircraft as flying pile drivers. Remember, too, the intent of the 9/11 Bad Airways pilots was to have the towers fall over and kill 10 thousand Americans (I forget what the figure they quoted was and I mistrust the translations, but it was defintely meant as a very large number). Where they dropped the ball was the same place it still lays.
RyuDarragh 5 months ago
@RyuDarragh "Few, if any, thought about using aircraft as flying pile drivers."
Complete bullshit. Both Dubya and Clinton had them look into possibilities of terrorists flying planes into the G8 conferences.
Yes, the 1993 bombing was intended to have one tower fall over and take down the other. Apparently, they thought the towers were engineered using the Domino Method.
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk: "The usage of an airliner as a vehicle for delivering a bomb is considered unlikely." - not bullshit. Predicting future terrorist attacks does not require the imaginary powers of a Sylvia Brown... or a Harry Browne. Bin Laden and his merry men had the plans of the towers and thought they could be toppled like dominos, sure enough, but they were not mechanical engineers. Just pointing out this "prediction" was like predicting the sun will come up tomorrow.
RyuDarragh 5 months ago
@RyuDarragh "Just pointing out this "prediction" was like predicting the sun will come up tomorrow."
But that's my point! People who pretend that this was just an out-of-the-blue unprovoked completely unforeseeable attack are just WRONG.
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk: Oh, absolutely! Didn't the whole debacle with the Shah of Iran and the 6 days war and more give them enough warning? You could see these groups forming from the first Palestinian / Isreali conflict, fer crying out loud :P
RyuDarragh 5 months ago
@sp00x They made it clear that they were going to keep trying. Anyone paying attention could have seen it coming; that's the point.
shanedk 5 months ago
@sp00x ................. That's gotta be what Browne is referring to. People seem to take old references and make them apply to today. We must be programmed that way.
Kclaybond 5 months ago
@Kclaybond The caller asked how he would protect us from terrorist attacks. He gave an answer about the future, using the past as a guide. If our "leaders" had done that 9/11 would never have happened.
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk You MUST read the book- Killing Hope: US Military And CIA Interventions since WW2. It's a soul crusher, but its all true.
bamboo4tameshigiri 5 months ago
He mentioned terrorists trying to blow up the World Trade Center because it had been tried before, in 1993, not because he's "prescient."
YY4Me133 5 months ago 2
I wonder who else has been right for years... Oh that's right. RON PAUL.
MagnusIan 5 months ago
@MagnusIan To be honest people have been saying their country shouldn't get involved in any foreign affairs for hundreds of years. So its really nothing special that he said it - and doesn't change the other things he's said that are insane or immoral.
andromidius 5 months ago
@andromidius "and doesn't change the other things he's said that are insane or immoral."
Like?
shanedk 5 months ago
@MagnusIan Yes, I made this a response to another video of Ron Paul saying pretty much the same thing during the Clinton impeachment hearings.
Anyone who was paying attention would have seen it coming.
shanedk 5 months ago
he said they'd blow it up again. and they did.
REXLLXBEE 5 months ago
I saw it coming from years away as well. Its called BLOWBACK. Our CIA has been fucking with other countries ever since WW2. We've been in a state of war ever since WW2. Read the book- Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since WW2. The CIA trained and armed the Taliban for proxy way against the Soviets. The CIA overthrew Iran to install the Shah. And Saddam, he was one of our boys too. He was a CIA asset that was installed to serve US. When they stop bowing down we attack them.
bamboo4tameshigiri 5 months ago 3
1:34 my jaw dropped to the floor. But then I remembered they bombed it in 1991 and that is what he is referring to. Nonetheless, impressive.
interstate317 5 months ago 14
@interstate317
I was going to point that out, but then I noticed your comment. Good show, sir.
DohsOfReality 5 months ago
@interstate317 1993, actually.
shanedk 5 months ago
@shanedk I remember there was some heightened sense of security right before Super Bowl XXV and President Bush Sr. was nervous about the game. I'll have to look up what it was.
interstate317 5 months ago
@interstate317 IIRC, that was after the first Gulf War started and Bush was concerned it might be a terrorist target.
shanedk 5 months ago
I thought his voice sounded like a black person, so that is what I was picturing in my head.
Does, this make me racist?
interstate317 5 months ago
@interstate317 Only if that image was eating chicken :P
tiaxanderson 5 months ago