I noticed that there was a Metro North locomotive in front....would that be due to the Amtrak locomotive not being able to draw the correct electrical power in the station or something?
its because the P32 thats pulling the train has 3rd rail compatability, if the Amtrak P42 was leading, the fumes would sufficate everyone in the station, so they put the P32 in front.
Metro-North's P32 were built to run on bottom running third rail unlike Amtrak who was built with top running third rail. So Amtrak engine cannot run to GCT cuz the third rail shoes were built too high for the type of third rail that was built for the New York Central
@ThaExpress2609 That makes total sense now, and I hope that all future Amtrak and MNRR/LIRR equipment will have this functionality. (quoting @travelbytommy)
@travelbytommy Third Rail Power - recall that the MNRR and the LIRR have different collection methods, the LIRR has bottom contact third rail - the more common of the two - so even if their P32's can utalize third rail collection, its near impossible when the contact point is upside down - getting engines/MU's that can operate on both railroads has been a big hassle for the MTA, but I was told by Train538 that later orders of M8's will have a such feature.
Where was this train going? Buffalo? Reason is i took amtraks Turbo Liner to Buffalo years ago from Grand Central. And i thing they still goes to Toronto. Onterio too.
Never knew Amtrak uses Grand Central. Thought Empire Service(Albany) went from Penn Station up the west side, then joining Metro-North when it's crossed the Harlem river(right against the Hudson).
Empire Service to be Affected by Metro-North Railroad Switch Replacement Work October 18-19 and 25-26
NEW YORK - On two successive weekends beginning Saturday and Sunday, Oct. 18, and 19 and continuing on Saturday and Sunday Oct. 25 and 26, 2008, Amtrak's Empire Service between New York, Albany and points to the north and west of Albany will be altered so that scheduled track switch replacement work can be carried out by Metro North Railroad.
Amtrak Provides Shuttle between Grand Central Terminal and Penn Station
All Empire Service and Ethan Allen Express passengers will be provided with alternate bus service between New York Penn Station and Grand Central Terminal. Some trains will terminate and originate at Grand Central Terminal while others will terminate and originate at Croton-Harmon, (with Metro-North connections between Croton and Grand Central Terminal.)
That was for trackwork back in October, they do not serve Grand Central normally, they stopped serving Grand Central on normal service trains in 1993 or 1994.
I've been really interested in finding the answer to this. Is there and existing track from Grand Central to the tunnel into NJ? I cannot find an older map for the life of me. Obviously there has to be, but I just want to know where.
No there never was. What made you thought there was ? Rail service from Grand Central only goes in a northbound direction. However it soon will go East once tracks are put in about six years for LIRR service.
Well I know Amtrak ran out of Grand Central before 1991, but Grand Central wasn't a terminus. My question is, what was the path that Amtrak took to get into New Jersey. Are there existing lines from GCT to the Hudson River tunnel?
As I said there never was. Amtrak service was always northbound.
For example, if you wanted to go NYC to DC, and it was the 1980s, you still like today have to go New York's other station, Penn Station.
Only Penn Station has train access to Jersey from NYC other than Path service.
Back in the 1980s, you could take Amtrak from GCT to let's say Albany, Buffalo, Chicago, Montreal, or Toronto because the tracks from GCT would only go north.
Oh, ok! That makes sense. I thought that Amtrak strictly ran out of GCT and never through Penn until 1991. That makes perfect sense now. No wonder I couldn't find anything haha.
So as of now, there are no tracks between GCT and Jersey.
*correction* Amtrak service was always northbound from GCT.
The West Side Line allowed Penn Station to gain northbound access in 1991 so it can go to the same sdestinations that GCT served. Hence that is why Amtrak for budget reasons had no reason to use GCT anymore.
@madmaxninja08 Thanks for all the information. Did I understand your post correctly! That the LIRR will be running trains in and out of Grand Central in about 6 years. Thanks
Strangely enough the tracks that lead New York south bound Amtrak Service into Penn Station did have a three way junction around Spuyten Duyvill (Bronx)where they meet up with the tracks going north on the GCT Hudson line. Your best bet is to use Google map and follow the Satelite image view on the western part of Manhattan and the Bronx. You can still see where the Junction had tracks removed. Enjoy
Amtrak has to use Grand Central instead of Penn for the current time, I forget why, but all Amtrak trains have been redirected, and only the commuter R.R.s stop at Penn
hmm, Its prolly cuz due to all of the incoming Bi-levels and LIRR they cant put it in penn station, so yeah. If you went and railfaned at Penn Station before you would know that its in and out, I couldn't pause the camera for 5 min.
yeah, its not that hard. I never went down stairs and i was on track 32 and that LIRR that I had in a vid was track 112 so... yeah and plus it was very much cleaner. I didn't take 2 subways for nothing. There is a big difference but they are both big stations so...
how did that amtrak train even get into grand central this is a very random video but its very nice 2 see something extremely different lol
Freakyy4Jamezx3 2 months ago
Are you sure this isn't Penn Station?
MrTransman99 3 months ago
Why did they have a metro north genesis pulling it
SSxxAVENGER 4 months ago
why dit the amtrak train have Metro North on it? Metro North is the commuter rail that owns the area.
Brandon02852 5 months ago
Why was an Amtrak Train there?!
tpe18509 6 months ago
So how do they go backwards into Grand Central without a cab car wouldn't that be dangerous?
MrZkr123 10 months ago
im heading there in april
music19love 11 months ago
what in the world is amtrak doing in grand central
jrmets 1 year ago
whats an amtrak train doing in grand central i thought they run on 34 th st
dawnboy35 1 year ago
im guessing this is the time the Hells gate bridge got an overhaul
howardkevinm 2 years ago
I noticed that there was a Metro North locomotive in front....would that be due to the Amtrak locomotive not being able to draw the correct electrical power in the station or something?
travelbytommy 2 years ago
its because the P32 thats pulling the train has 3rd rail compatability, if the Amtrak P42 was leading, the fumes would sufficate everyone in the station, so they put the P32 in front.
ucvgabe 2 years ago
but Amtrak has P32s....they use them in Penn Station all the time. Why wouldn't they just use their own hybrid locomotive?
travelbytommy 2 years ago
beats me, but hey, the photoban makes as much sense as that
ucvgabe 2 years ago
what photo ban?
travelbytommy 2 years ago
amtrak issued a photo ban not long ago
ucvgabe 2 years ago
Metro-North's P32 were built to run on bottom running third rail unlike Amtrak who was built with top running third rail. So Amtrak engine cannot run to GCT cuz the third rail shoes were built too high for the type of third rail that was built for the New York Central
ThaExpress2609 2 years ago
@ThaExpress2609 That makes total sense now, and I hope that all future Amtrak and MNRR/LIRR equipment will have this functionality. (quoting @travelbytommy)
Northeastern292 1 year ago
@travelbytommy Third Rail Power - recall that the MNRR and the LIRR have different collection methods, the LIRR has bottom contact third rail - the more common of the two - so even if their P32's can utalize third rail collection, its near impossible when the contact point is upside down - getting engines/MU's that can operate on both railroads has been a big hassle for the MTA, but I was told by Train538 that later orders of M8's will have a such feature.
kj762aa 1 year ago
How the hell could a giant locomotive powered by a tiny third rail possibly pull a heavy train and huge inactive locomotive?
Coastergeekperson04 2 years ago
I thought Amtrak stopped service to Grand Central and only service Penn, or am I wrong?
solodatemaru 2 years ago
your correct. There was according to R384010 trackwork that made it come to Grand Central. Normally it doesn't service it.
ucvgabe 2 years ago
Where was this train going? Buffalo? Reason is i took amtraks Turbo Liner to Buffalo years ago from Grand Central. And i thing they still goes to Toronto. Onterio too.
Dkels219 2 years ago
it was going to Albany.
ucvgabe 2 years ago
Why did it need the Metro North loco? The Amtrak loco was a 700 # which could feed of the thrid rail just like Metro North locos.
andreww87 2 years ago
I personally dont know, they always do that with amtrak trains ot of there.
ucvgabe 2 years ago
The Amtrak engine cannot use the Metro North third rail, first they are of a different voltage, and the MNRR rail is underrunning, not overrunning.
R384010 2 years ago
Never knew Amtrak uses Grand Central. Thought Empire Service(Albany) went from Penn Station up the west side, then joining Metro-North when it's crossed the Harlem river(right against the Hudson).
XDared45X 3 years ago
this is like, the only train that runs there, the rest goto penn. Correct?
ucvgabe 3 years ago
This was when there was trackwork around Penn Station, making the Empire Connection worthless, so they had to use Grand Central.
R1608713 2 years ago
it was posted not even 2 days later than it was taken.
ucvgabe 2 years ago
from the Amtrak website:
Empire Service to be Affected by Metro-North Railroad Switch Replacement Work October 18-19 and 25-26
NEW YORK - On two successive weekends beginning Saturday and Sunday, Oct. 18, and 19 and continuing on Saturday and Sunday Oct. 25 and 26, 2008, Amtrak's Empire Service between New York, Albany and points to the north and west of Albany will be altered so that scheduled track switch replacement work can be carried out by Metro North Railroad.
R1608713 2 years ago
Amtrak Provides Shuttle between Grand Central Terminal and Penn Station
All Empire Service and Ethan Allen Express passengers will be provided with alternate bus service between New York Penn Station and Grand Central Terminal. Some trains will terminate and originate at Grand Central Terminal while others will terminate and originate at Croton-Harmon, (with Metro-North connections between Croton and Grand Central Terminal.)
R1608713 2 years ago
i guess it was on the 26th, i got the date to go there from another vid of amtrak in GCT.
ucvgabe 2 years ago
do you mean Amtrak serves both Grand central and Penn station??
Ringorangers506 2 years ago
for now yes, well idk if they do NOW but yes
ucvgabe 2 years ago
That was for trackwork back in October, they do not serve Grand Central normally, they stopped serving Grand Central on normal service trains in 1993 or 1994.
R384010 2 years ago
ah. I see
ucvgabe 2 years ago
Antrak stopped service into Grand Central in 1991 once the West Side Line was complete into Penn Station.
madmaxninja08 2 years ago
thats the only reason why i came to GCT that day, to see this
ucvgabe 2 years ago
I've been really interested in finding the answer to this. Is there and existing track from Grand Central to the tunnel into NJ? I cannot find an older map for the life of me. Obviously there has to be, but I just want to know where.
jmlicari 2 years ago
No there never was. What made you thought there was ? Rail service from Grand Central only goes in a northbound direction. However it soon will go East once tracks are put in about six years for LIRR service.
madmaxninja08 2 years ago
Well I know Amtrak ran out of Grand Central before 1991, but Grand Central wasn't a terminus. My question is, what was the path that Amtrak took to get into New Jersey. Are there existing lines from GCT to the Hudson River tunnel?
jmlicari 2 years ago
As I said there never was. Amtrak service was always northbound.
For example, if you wanted to go NYC to DC, and it was the 1980s, you still like today have to go New York's other station, Penn Station.
Only Penn Station has train access to Jersey from NYC other than Path service.
Back in the 1980s, you could take Amtrak from GCT to let's say Albany, Buffalo, Chicago, Montreal, or Toronto because the tracks from GCT would only go north.
madmaxninja08 2 years ago
Oh, ok! That makes sense. I thought that Amtrak strictly ran out of GCT and never through Penn until 1991. That makes perfect sense now. No wonder I couldn't find anything haha.
jmlicari 2 years ago
So as of now, there are no tracks between GCT and Jersey.
*correction* Amtrak service was always northbound from GCT.
The West Side Line allowed Penn Station to gain northbound access in 1991 so it can go to the same sdestinations that GCT served. Hence that is why Amtrak for budget reasons had no reason to use GCT anymore.
madmaxninja08 2 years ago
@madmaxninja08 Thanks for all the information. Did I understand your post correctly! That the LIRR will be running trains in and out of Grand Central in about 6 years. Thanks
jeffdavis13 1 year ago
Strangely enough the tracks that lead New York south bound Amtrak Service into Penn Station did have a three way junction around Spuyten Duyvill (Bronx)where they meet up with the tracks going north on the GCT Hudson line. Your best bet is to use Google map and follow the Satelite image view on the western part of Manhattan and the Bronx. You can still see where the Junction had tracks removed. Enjoy
taellius 2 years ago
@taellius nope that was a very long time ago-- that wye has been removed
TEMPLE7D 1 year ago
Where was this train going?
anchor2352 3 years ago
Albany, New York
ucvgabe 3 years ago
i want to pee on the third rail!!!!!! btw 5 star pee one third rail!
pattar4 3 years ago
lol it would shock ya, its like pissin on an electric fence
ucvgabe 3 years ago
it happened to a homeless man at bowery a couple of years ago
thesubwaynut 3 years ago
HAHAH TAKE THAT HOBO!!!
ucvgabe 3 years ago
You would have to be touching the regular running rails in order to get electrocuted.
XDared45X 3 years ago
sorry i missed the day of fun at GCT, but NJ Transit beckoned so i must obey.
ERIELACKU34CH 3 years ago
looool u missed alot dude!!!
ucvgabe 3 years ago
Not all of them, just the upstate ones. The ones on the corridor are still good.
Its because they are upgrading the switches. Its only temporary though.
sportsmovieman 3 years ago
those ones I want to stay cuz i aint goin to GCT for a keystone no way
ucvgabe 3 years ago
Awesome video! Why's the MN P32 leading the train?
fleecejackets 3 years ago
prolly cuz of 3rd rail or something
ucvgabe 3 years ago
I never thought Amtrak used Grand Central. You sure you were there and not Penn?
sportsmovieman 3 years ago
Amtrak has to use Grand Central instead of Penn for the current time, I forget why, but all Amtrak trains have been redirected, and only the commuter R.R.s stop at Penn
fleecejackets 3 years ago
hmm, Its prolly cuz due to all of the incoming Bi-levels and LIRR they cant put it in penn station, so yeah. If you went and railfaned at Penn Station before you would know that its in and out, I couldn't pause the camera for 5 min.
ucvgabe 3 years ago
ohh I see. And that sounds great, I'd like to go there sometime
fleecejackets 3 years ago
yeah, its louder than it sounds, but I like loud
ucvgabe 3 years ago
yeah, its not that hard. I never went down stairs and i was on track 32 and that LIRR that I had in a vid was track 112 so... yeah and plus it was very much cleaner. I didn't take 2 subways for nothing. There is a big difference but they are both big stations so...
ucvgabe 3 years ago
will it ever end?its so long
pattar4 3 years ago
lol, its prolly cuz its a P42 or P40 at the end so it aint gonna use all that power for nothing
ucvgabe 3 years ago
at the 0:28 mark, you see a car that says "Coach". Good video!
trainriders1031 3 years ago
thanks!!!
ucvgabe 3 years ago
np!
trainriders1031 3 years ago