David Tennant is my favourite Doctor from the new series. Of course, I still adore Tom Baker and Peter Davison. For just a tiny bit of trivia, Davison's daughter, Georgia Moffet, who played the Doctor's cloned daughter, Jenny, had a daughter, Olive, by Tennant, and, then, she married Tennant in December of 2011. Therefore, the daughter of the fifth Doctor is married to the tenth Doctor.
This is not about actual Mormon missionaries, but a tactic that some Mormon YouTubers will use when anyone questions them, even in the mildest way, is to send private hate messages to the person who has the temerity to say anything that does not blindly follow their religion. For commenting on his video, the YouTuber bueno40 sent me a private message entitled "Maldito" calling me "The Scum of the Earth." Now, that certainly shows Mormons in a good, tolerant, loving light, does it not!
I see Mormon missionaries in Amsterdam all the time but they're scared too much by all the sex, drugs and rampant atheism to actually talk to someone. Bit sad, really, but that's what you get for proselytising in Western Europe.
So these two sixteen year old numbnuts show up on my doorstep. I'm like, shouldn't you be off getting laid?! They just looked at me like Cthulhu was rising up behind me and left without a word.
@relic1076 I actually used to be a mormon missionary before I dropped religion. From my own experiences, they claim the dark skin came from the curse of Cain and also the curse of the Lamanites in the Americans. Basically, the doctrine says it was a mark put on people and their offspring to help the "believers" distinguish themselves from the non-believers that way they don't interbreed.
It even states they can be made white again through conversion. See 3 Nephi 2:12-15
I was actually meeting with Mormon missionaries several times a week to learn about the Mormon faith. They were very nice and sweet people, but i don't think they were prepared for my questions. Not even when I gave them heads up what i wanted to ask them for our next appointment. Sunday school was interesting tho.
After a few weeks they figured that they wouldn't be able to convert me and told me that I wouldn't get any more appointments. But i did get a free copy of the book of Mormon. ^_^
I would ask what their goal is, do they want to discuss and understand your views while sharing theirs, or do they want to convert you? And always push for evidence of anything they assert, I’m pretty sure you'll do that anyway.
Rather than diving into technicalities about the book of Mormon, for which they will have prepared apologetics, my experience has been that a good approach is to ask the individuals "What made YOU believe?" Get right down to the core of the issue.
Ultimately, the Mormon angle shouldn't even matter until they've demonstrated that a god actually exists, let alone THEIR god.
My sisters are JWs. The only talk we've ever had was when I just became an atheist and was a little confused. We talked and one of them called me stupid and left the room.
Now that I know what the fuck I'm talking about they don't even want to have a conversation about their own literature and beliefs. It's hard to interpret this kind of cognitive dissonance defense mechanism as not being dishonesty. As far as I'm concerned they're dishonest as fuck or couldn't care less about my eternity.
What is there take on homosexuality? Are gays all hellbound? Lets say a gay doctor devotes his life to saving peoples lives, is it right he should spend eternity in hell for simply loving a fellow man? Elton John has brought joy to millions of people with his music, is he hellbound?
They work in teams of 2, with sometimes a 3rd. They stay for several months in such a way that 1 leaves while the other stays to teach the next guy all the info.
How it generally goes is they will talk for a few mins casually then want read from the book of mormon, they'll ask to open with a prayer, and they are willing to read to you or have you read it. Time to time they'll ask questions about your understanding of what was just read. After a bit they'll want to end with a prayer.
My encounter with Mormon missionaries is not as riveting as I'm sure yours was (will be), but basically two young men came to my house and asked if they could tell me about the book of Mormon. I told them I was an atheist, and when they asked if there was a time they could come and talk about my beliefs with me, I told them I believed it would be worthless because neither of us would change our position. I guess it might have been worth it just so we both could understand our beliefs better.
I would definitely bring up the book of Abraham. I'm sure you can find it on the interwebs if you don't know what I'm referring to, but the short story is that Joseph Smith was given sone Egyptian writing to translate, and he said it was the book of Abraham. After we learned to translate the tablet, it was of course shown he was dead wrong. This fact has turned many a Mormon away from the church. (also, check out Ireligiosophy. It's an atheist podcast by ex-mormons- great stuff)
My missionary encounter was not that fun. They used some very good sales techniques but were basically screening me to see if I was worth spending more time with me. They would not debate or defend their beliefs. That was not their purpose.
Why do they have a compass and square on their underwear?
When they become God/Elohim on their own planet, will they allow black people to go to heaven or will they need to take on a white body?
When they act like they are in fellowship with Christians why does 1 Nephi 14:10 basically say they are the only true church and everyone else is of the devil?
Here is a question I want you to ask the missionaries Shwanerd...is denial of the holy spirit a sin? If so, do they believe those who are ignorant of christianity go to heaven? If so, why be a missionary and go to a ignorant wasteland and make them aware, knowing that people would then deny the holy spirit, or just can't help but keep on sinning...so arent they in effect sending people to hell?! Also -continue in next comment
How do they know that god wants them to go be a missionary and spread the world, or do anything to effect the world since we all have free will. Couldnt we be interfering with HIS PLAN? "I know because god told me." How do they know that isnt just them, not god? How could they possibly say "this is what god wants" and "this is what I THINK god wants." how they know they are or arent interfering with god's "plan"
I've told you this Shwanerd several times. I don't CARE if I am condescending as long as I listen to what they are saying, as long as I think about what they say, etc. I've gotten a lot of mormon jehova witnesses fliers/booklets a lot from where I live. Never talked to one though. By the way for Hallow's eve I watched Hell house and laughed my ass off just like every time I watch it.
A couple of weeks ago, I went to the park and an old lady that pesters me and never stops whining and bitching showed up just as two mormons showed up that were at a park I'd left earlier when they'd got there. It was great the old lady that never shuts up and the mormons who never shut up showed up just in time to save me from each other. I spent the time just waiting to see who would wear the other out first. They all left unhappy after an hour.
That's it. I'm a theist now, I'm unsubscribing and I hope the missionaries win the argument tomorrow, and I hope they win it with a baseball bat. The tragedy here is, that's a pretty good Halloween costume. I recognized the character immediately. But then you went and ruined it all by saying something stupid like CALLING THE DOCTOR "DOCTOR WHO"!
If its any consolation to you, I know that's not how you're supposed to say it; I just made myself as clear as possible (for the very, very small likelihood that someone would come across this and NOT know about the Doctor)
@ShwaNerd Mormons do not go to the trouble engaging in long winded theological debates with well versed atheists like yourself in the hopes of converting you. Even Mormons are smart enough to know they won't succeed. They do it for themselves (as atheists sometimes do when they attend church)---to study the arguments of the opposition so as to sharpen and build their skills at evangelizing Mormon-Christian dogma. Mormons are as self serving as anyone anywhere.
Be prepared with a knife. You may have to protect yourself. those people scare the shit out of me and i would NEVER let them in my house. I just remember a time when a jahovah's witness came to my friends house( He is a muslim and we were like 12-13) the guy wouldn't stop talking and kept implying my friends religion was wrong and ended up being at the door for like 20 min and wouldn't leave when my friends was giving strong hints that this dude needs to leave. lol Just be careful.
Just tell them everything historically about the native americans and how they can NOT be the lost tribe of Israel... Mormonism makes testable claims like these, so they expose themselves for being an easy target of criticism. But i really am interested, how these missionaries can ignore the historical facts. If you can record that, it would be hilarious to find out, how they get to beat around the bush to avoid being humiliated about history.
how do they rationalize an eternally punishment from a supposedly infinitely loving and forgiving god, but who pathologically has less capacity to love and forgive than puny sinful humans.
id ask this just to watch the mental dysfunction on their faces
I don't see what the big deal is here; someone told me I could pull off the Doctor look, so I did it since I had minimal resources/time/effort available. How does rigid gender roles factor into it? And yes, I do sometimes like to dress in semi-fancy clothes such as this, and why not?
Lol, randomly I just spoke to mormon missionaries for the first time today. They flagged me down while riding my bike and I assumed I knew them, but they said they were from the first church of blah blah. So I said "What's good?" And they just kinda smiled, as if they hadn't thought of a speech to say, so I had to question them. I basically just took them around the stables, they knew the basic arguments and what not but not worth bothering with for more than a few minutes.
My aunt is an extremely zealous jehovas witness, and as a good friend of mine was one day ever importunately street-preached by jehovas witnesses in a nearby district town, it turned out, that it just so was my aunt, that preached to her... But fortunately i have never made any experience with witnesses or mormons 8 a.m. in the morning, which might be the case, because i live in a conservative catholic small rural town in Germany.
David Tennant is my favourite Doctor from the new series. Of course, I still adore Tom Baker and Peter Davison. For just a tiny bit of trivia, Davison's daughter, Georgia Moffet, who played the Doctor's cloned daughter, Jenny, had a daughter, Olive, by Tennant, and, then, she married Tennant in December of 2011. Therefore, the daughter of the fifth Doctor is married to the tenth Doctor.
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This is not about actual Mormon missionaries, but a tactic that some Mormon YouTubers will use when anyone questions them, even in the mildest way, is to send private hate messages to the person who has the temerity to say anything that does not blindly follow their religion. For commenting on his video, the YouTuber bueno40 sent me a private message entitled "Maldito" calling me "The Scum of the Earth." Now, that certainly shows Mormons in a good, tolerant, loving light, does it not!
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Ask the mormons what they think about the new mormon musical. ^^ Funny or offensive?
Mithcoriel 4 months ago
I see Mormon missionaries in Amsterdam all the time but they're scared too much by all the sex, drugs and rampant atheism to actually talk to someone. Bit sad, really, but that's what you get for proselytising in Western Europe.
The0d0r1c 4 months ago
@The0d0r1c
What a terrific comment! It made me chuckle.
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
if you stacked a trillion sheets of paper on top of each other, how high would the stack be?
TheCaptainD82 4 months ago
Ask them about the magic underwear!
XChillX42 4 months ago
So these two sixteen year old numbnuts show up on my doorstep. I'm like, shouldn't you be off getting laid?! They just looked at me like Cthulhu was rising up behind me and left without a word.
Nagneto 4 months ago
@Nagneto
Anyone who can mention "Cthulhu rising" in a comment in the right context has won my respect!
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
@RCSVirginia : IA' IA'!
Nagneto 1 month ago
@Nagneto
Ah, ye know the chant! "'In His House at R'lyeh Dead Cthulhu waits Dreaming."
RCSVirginia 1 month ago
@RCSVirginia : CHAOS CONSUME US! AAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGHH!!!
Nagneto 1 month ago
you look more like Harold Ramis in ghostbusters!
kalsolarUK 4 months ago
Don't ask them how magnets work.
ThSkBj 4 months ago
Well, I 'spose there's no danger of you doing a 'woodsofJordan'.
Boepyne 4 months ago
Ask them if they still believe black people are black because of their alignment in the angelic wars of good and evil.
relic1076 4 months ago
@relic1076 I actually used to be a mormon missionary before I dropped religion. From my own experiences, they claim the dark skin came from the curse of Cain and also the curse of the Lamanites in the Americans. Basically, the doctrine says it was a mark put on people and their offspring to help the "believers" distinguish themselves from the non-believers that way they don't interbreed.
It even states they can be made white again through conversion. See 3 Nephi 2:12-15
ceanderson79 4 months ago
I was actually meeting with Mormon missionaries several times a week to learn about the Mormon faith. They were very nice and sweet people, but i don't think they were prepared for my questions. Not even when I gave them heads up what i wanted to ask them for our next appointment. Sunday school was interesting tho.
After a few weeks they figured that they wouldn't be able to convert me and told me that I wouldn't get any more appointments. But i did get a free copy of the book of Mormon. ^_^
ThSkBj 4 months ago
"my god is so mighty that he wants his believers to be door to door religion salesmen."
brilliant.
C0ct0pusPrime 4 months ago
The only door-to-door visitors I've had have been from cable tv / internet providers :)
coladict 4 months ago
I would ask what their goal is, do they want to discuss and understand your views while sharing theirs, or do they want to convert you? And always push for evidence of anything they assert, I’m pretty sure you'll do that anyway.
Good luck, I'll look forward to the update.
steviemgallacher 4 months ago
If they don't want to be on cam, ask if you could just set up a mic. Even that would be interesting
BDotBoom 4 months ago
Rather than diving into technicalities about the book of Mormon, for which they will have prepared apologetics, my experience has been that a good approach is to ask the individuals "What made YOU believe?" Get right down to the core of the issue.
Ultimately, the Mormon angle shouldn't even matter until they've demonstrated that a god actually exists, let alone THEIR god.
JoelCornah 4 months ago
last year i had 2 Mormon missionaries approach me in the street. their opening line: "what makes you happiest in life?"
"fucking!", was my reply. you should have seen their faces.
gothatfunk 4 months ago
@gothatfunk I'm recovering from flu, so your comment cheered me up lol. Thanks :)
musicgeniusno1 4 months ago
My sisters are JWs. The only talk we've ever had was when I just became an atheist and was a little confused. We talked and one of them called me stupid and left the room.
Now that I know what the fuck I'm talking about they don't even want to have a conversation about their own literature and beliefs. It's hard to interpret this kind of cognitive dissonance defense mechanism as not being dishonesty. As far as I'm concerned they're dishonest as fuck or couldn't care less about my eternity.
Hez0 4 months ago
What is there take on homosexuality? Are gays all hellbound? Lets say a gay doctor devotes his life to saving peoples lives, is it right he should spend eternity in hell for simply loving a fellow man? Elton John has brought joy to millions of people with his music, is he hellbound?
Also, do they deny evolution?
bonnie43uk 4 months ago
Actually I used to be a Jehovah's Witness. I did the whole knocking on people's doors things. I remember running into the Mormons on occasion.
We would say hello to each other then politely belittle each others faith.
japlha 4 months ago
They work in teams of 2, with sometimes a 3rd. They stay for several months in such a way that 1 leaves while the other stays to teach the next guy all the info.
How it generally goes is they will talk for a few mins casually then want read from the book of mormon, they'll ask to open with a prayer, and they are willing to read to you or have you read it. Time to time they'll ask questions about your understanding of what was just read. After a bit they'll want to end with a prayer.
Durakken 4 months ago
If you ran into those missionaries in lindsay, then they better hope their god exists so they will keep them away from me.
I have the reputation at my school as the guy you never start an argument with.
boonw 4 months ago
My encounter with Mormon missionaries is not as riveting as I'm sure yours was (will be), but basically two young men came to my house and asked if they could tell me about the book of Mormon. I told them I was an atheist, and when they asked if there was a time they could come and talk about my beliefs with me, I told them I believed it would be worthless because neither of us would change our position. I guess it might have been worth it just so we both could understand our beliefs better.
AndrewKeechAK 4 months ago
I would definitely bring up the book of Abraham. I'm sure you can find it on the interwebs if you don't know what I'm referring to, but the short story is that Joseph Smith was given sone Egyptian writing to translate, and he said it was the book of Abraham. After we learned to translate the tablet, it was of course shown he was dead wrong. This fact has turned many a Mormon away from the church. (also, check out Ireligiosophy. It's an atheist podcast by ex-mormons- great stuff)
smo1001 4 months ago
My missionary encounter was not that fun. They used some very good sales techniques but were basically screening me to see if I was worth spending more time with me. They would not debate or defend their beliefs. That was not their purpose.
DancingRabbit52 4 months ago
Why do they have a compass and square on their underwear?
When they become God/Elohim on their own planet, will they allow black people to go to heaven or will they need to take on a white body?
When they act like they are in fellowship with Christians why does 1 Nephi 14:10 basically say they are the only true church and everyone else is of the devil?
GnosticMayhem 4 months ago
Here is a question I want you to ask the missionaries Shwanerd...is denial of the holy spirit a sin? If so, do they believe those who are ignorant of christianity go to heaven? If so, why be a missionary and go to a ignorant wasteland and make them aware, knowing that people would then deny the holy spirit, or just can't help but keep on sinning...so arent they in effect sending people to hell?! Also -continue in next comment
jay666KJ 4 months ago
@jay666KJ
Continuing from my other comment.
How do they know that god wants them to go be a missionary and spread the world, or do anything to effect the world since we all have free will. Couldnt we be interfering with HIS PLAN? "I know because god told me." How do they know that isnt just them, not god? How could they possibly say "this is what god wants" and "this is what I THINK god wants." how they know they are or arent interfering with god's "plan"
jay666KJ 4 months ago
I've told you this Shwanerd several times. I don't CARE if I am condescending as long as I listen to what they are saying, as long as I think about what they say, etc. I've gotten a lot of mormon jehova witnesses fliers/booklets a lot from where I live. Never talked to one though. By the way for Hallow's eve I watched Hell house and laughed my ass off just like every time I watch it.
jay666KJ 4 months ago
hope you can record it, it sounds like it could be sweet.
freethinker3161 4 months ago
A couple of weeks ago, I went to the park and an old lady that pesters me and never stops whining and bitching showed up just as two mormons showed up that were at a park I'd left earlier when they'd got there. It was great the old lady that never shuts up and the mormons who never shut up showed up just in time to save me from each other. I spent the time just waiting to see who would wear the other out first. They all left unhappy after an hour.
Primalxbeast 4 months ago
The tenth Doctor Who?!
Did I hear you call the Doctor "Doctor Who"?!
That's it. I'm a theist now, I'm unsubscribing and I hope the missionaries win the argument tomorrow, and I hope they win it with a baseball bat. The tragedy here is, that's a pretty good Halloween costume. I recognized the character immediately. But then you went and ruined it all by saying something stupid like CALLING THE DOCTOR "DOCTOR WHO"!
BohemianBlasphemy 4 months ago
@BohemianBlasphemy
If its any consolation to you, I know that's not how you're supposed to say it; I just made myself as clear as possible (for the very, very small likelihood that someone would come across this and NOT know about the Doctor)
ShwaNerd 4 months ago
@ShwaNerd
Oh, I can't stay mad at you!
Give me a hug!
BohemianBlasphemy 4 months ago
@ShwaNerd Mormons do not go to the trouble engaging in long winded theological debates with well versed atheists like yourself in the hopes of converting you. Even Mormons are smart enough to know they won't succeed. They do it for themselves (as atheists sometimes do when they attend church)---to study the arguments of the opposition so as to sharpen and build their skills at evangelizing Mormon-Christian dogma. Mormons are as self serving as anyone anywhere.
sweetsweatyfeet 4 months ago
You look like an atheistic equivalent to Captain Catholic in that... kinda.
happilylonelygamer 4 months ago
Be prepared with a knife. You may have to protect yourself. those people scare the shit out of me and i would NEVER let them in my house. I just remember a time when a jahovah's witness came to my friends house( He is a muslim and we were like 12-13) the guy wouldn't stop talking and kept implying my friends religion was wrong and ended up being at the door for like 20 min and wouldn't leave when my friends was giving strong hints that this dude needs to leave. lol Just be careful.
finalxcx 4 months ago
But concerning the meeting:
Just tell them everything historically about the native americans and how they can NOT be the lost tribe of Israel... Mormonism makes testable claims like these, so they expose themselves for being an easy target of criticism. But i really am interested, how these missionaries can ignore the historical facts. If you can record that, it would be hilarious to find out, how they get to beat around the bush to avoid being humiliated about history.
MardasMan 4 months ago
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how do they rationalize an eternally punishment from a supposedly infinitely loving and forgiving god, but who pathologically has less capacity to love and forgive than puny sinful humans.
id ask this just to watch the mental dysfunction on their faces
cherrydog9 4 months ago
yep. that's a seriously lame costume. I'd like to know how they justify such rigid gender roles in the modern era.
rriverstone1 4 months ago
I don't see what the big deal is here; someone told me I could pull off the Doctor look, so I did it since I had minimal resources/time/effort available. How does rigid gender roles factor into it? And yes, I do sometimes like to dress in semi-fancy clothes such as this, and why not?
ShwaNerd 4 months ago
@ShwaNerd 2 thots; not much room to comment: teasing u re: costume; asking question for LDS missionaries re: gender roles.
rriverstone1 4 months ago
Lol, randomly I just spoke to mormon missionaries for the first time today. They flagged me down while riding my bike and I assumed I knew them, but they said they were from the first church of blah blah. So I said "What's good?" And they just kinda smiled, as if they hadn't thought of a speech to say, so I had to question them. I basically just took them around the stables, they knew the basic arguments and what not but not worth bothering with for more than a few minutes.
BornInAsphodelMeadow 4 months ago
Ask them about their magic underwear. =P
Polanskers 4 months ago
My aunt is an extremely zealous jehovas witness, and as a good friend of mine was one day ever importunately street-preached by jehovas witnesses in a nearby district town, it turned out, that it just so was my aunt, that preached to her... But fortunately i have never made any experience with witnesses or mormons 8 a.m. in the morning, which might be the case, because i live in a conservative catholic small rural town in Germany.
MardasMan 4 months ago
a joke but do they do it in the missionary position?
PumpkinPixie1978 4 months ago
Can't wait for the video! You should start wearing your 'costume' every day, it looks good.
TheJorjj 4 months ago
i got a question for them "Do you think technology is evil and if not why is it forbidden during missions?"
ZeromasterLP 4 months ago
FIRST!
ZeromasterLP 4 months ago