These disgusting fucks have no idea what Thomas Paine believed in and stood for. Both these imposture posers can fuck each other. Leave our greatest founding father alone!
Beck was not fired from CNN. He had made a deal with Fox News to move his show over there while still under contract with CNN. Once CNN learned Beck did this and was not going to renew his contract with them CNN did what any network does in such a situation, they pulled his show immediately to hinder Beck's ability to move his entire audience over to Fox. It was about damage control, not politics.
The white Race is what fought for freedoms of speech, bare arms, etc. as well become less white, watch all our freedoms slip away into Marxism and equality.
People like Glenn Beck are over analyzing our current situations far too much and trying to cause fervor. America as of now is in no need of revolution. But if the time for revolution does come, playing dress up and sending tea bags to politicians wont do anything. Washington and Jefferson didn't model themselves after people from the past, they became their own men and succeeded. An America in turmoil will need leaders, not historical reenactors.
Wizard's first rule: People are stupid. They will believe a lie either because they wanted it to be true, or they are afraid it is true.
Funny how this can go both ways. I am not going to tell you people what to believe, because you won't believe me anyway. Instead, I'm just going to give you a simple fact. Glenn Beck pays more taxes in one year than most of the viewers of this video do in their entire lives. Like it or not, he is paying for your welfare checks to stay home and watch Youtube.
yeah yeah yeah, "he's an impostor" "that's not what thomas paine stood for", on that part i agree sure but honestly I really don't care.. I'm listening to what the guy has to say and quite frankly.. I like what I hear..
Bob and Beck both advocate for the right. We want to cut spending. We want the government to stop telling us what to do. We want freedom. That's why Beck and Bob and a lot of other people support the right, the conservatives. Of course it's a political issue.
Marriage doesn't belong to the US Government, it is a religious ritual and many governments have chosen to bestow benefits (tax incentives, inheritance rights and etc.) on people who participate in this religious ritual. But just because the government grants benefits to people who get married, doesn't give the government the right to alter the nature of the ritual. It is still a religious ritual and it is up to religion to determine the limits of that ritual.
The error here is not that marriage excludes homosexuals, but that the US refuses to recognize Civil Unions. I know people like to act like anyone who opposes gay marriage is guilty of a hate crime, but the truth is that most people do not oppose gays & most (70–80%) support civil unions. If the gay community were smart, they would abandon the whole gay marriage thing and push to legalize Civil Unions & they would specify in the law exactly what benefits come from Civil Unions.
And don't pull out the tired old "Separate But Equal" argument, because it isn't a valid comparison. "Separate But Equal" didn't work because the newly freed slaves weren't seen by the authorities as being truly equal and that made it easy to deny them the rights that they deserved. It is illegal to discriminate on anyone based on sexual orientation, so if any discrimination were to occur, the victims would have an open and shut case in court.
This is all a part of tolerating each other. Tolerance means that we put up with each other, not that we have to like it. You can't force someone to accept someone else's behavior because that would be a violation of their rights. Remember that it is the Museum of Tolerance, not the Museum of Acceptance. Right or wrong, religion preaches that homosexuality is a sin and it is their right to do so.
Personally, my readings of Jesus indicate that he had a tendency to hang out with sinners & probably would have included gays on the list that included prostitutes & tax collectors. This implies that Jesus was tolerant of gays, but that is a contradiction that religion needs to work out for itself & is not for government or some outside special interest group to force on them.
So the choice seems simple to me, Civil Unions & the support of the vast majority of Americans or Gay Marriage & a constant battle with the religious majority in this country. This is really what the issue is all about; if gays are allowed to get married, then it becomes a civil rights issue and a hate crime for any church that refuses to perform the ceremony. Civil Unions solve that problem!
"You can't force someone to accept someone else's behavior because that would be a violation of their rights."
A Married gay couple does NOT violate your rights, anymore than my non church wedding violated yours, or the couple who has a Star Wars or Elvis wedding.
You didn't explain how a gay marriage would "violate" your civil rights.
But it seems OK for Conservatives to cram Christian reasoning down our throats in this matter.
"And don't pull out the tired old "Separate But Equal" argument"
being conservative, you can't tell me what is tired. I hope you skip the usual "what about a dog or a tree" or any mention of the Bible if you want to play that.
Do note, how the Netherlands saw the civil unions as separate but equal. The Protestant church there left it up to the individual churches if they wanted to do the ceremonies (aka...FREEDOM).
and yet conservatives seek to regulate it with the gov.
"it is a religious ritual a"
My wife and I were married by a retired judge because we didn't want bullshit religion involved. We are just as married as say Mr. Beck. Why can't gays have that?
and which religion? I know several churches with gay ministers who advocate this.
Conservatives seem to want ONE religion to count...christian.
IT IS TIME! Go to USRevolution2 (dot com) and get your flag of the Second American Revolution. They are made in America and look exactly like the flag of Betsy Ross with a Roman numeral II in the center of the 13 stars. This flag is now in all 50 states and spreading from porch to porch. They make great gifts for family, friends and recovering Liberals.
"When it shall be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy, neither ignorance or distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars, the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive . . . When these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and its government." Rights of Man
THOMAS PAINE Was THE FATHER OF The PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX TO FUND SOCIAL PROGRAMS TO PROMOTE EQUALITY, SUCH AS PUBLIC SCHOOL, HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE TEA PARTY SCHEME??
If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute.
@williambellor And this doesn't at all answer the question I asked, which was how does the father of progressive taxation (the goverment taking more money from rich citizens to fuel programs for the whole population) become a tea party icon. Your quote is talking specifically about the government stealing from the population without just cause, ie, not for social programs which paine completely believes in, and would redistribute wealth for. Your quote is irrelevant.
The flaw in your logic is the assumption that a conservative icon must agree with conservatives on every single issue. That would imply that conservatives don't think for themselves, because no one agrees with someone else on every single subject. A key part of your reply is this: ...government stealing from the population without "just cause". Who specifically decides what is "Just Cause"?
@williambellor the flaw in your logic is your claiming tomas paine as a conservative icon, only because this old fool mistakenly dressed up as him. Thomas paine is the intellectual forbear to the PROGRESSIVE movement. If you've read any edmund burke you;d know that coservativism is based on original sin and thus a necessity for longstanding institutions. T paine hated christianity and was hated by early conservatives.
Some might say that our elected leaders get to decide that, but I disagree because our leaders are not allowed to violate what's in the Constitution, which, among other things, severely limits what the federal government is allowed to do. That is what the tea party movement is really about. At issue is not how taxes are divided up among tax payers, but whether what the federal government is do is even constitutional. In the end, your question is irrelevant.
@williambellor the middle class tax rate is lower than it has been in 50 years, the tea party didn't mind 2 trillion of national debt under george bush for an unjust and terribly executed and unconstitutional war. Where were you then? We are the only humans alive, the people who made traditions and laws are all dead, we should make our own world, relevant to modern man, while we have the chance. Conservatism is just a bad outdated political philosophy, boring minds afraid to change anything.
How do you know what I did or didn't do during the Bush administration? And even if I did nothing then, that doesn't prevent me from objecting now that the process has been accelerated at such an alarming rate!
As for conservatism, the alternatives you advocate for have been tried throughout the world and failed every time. Only conservatism work every time it is tried. If we are going to change our political system, why would we try to change to something that has never worked?
@williambellor Ok that's fair, I don't know what you did. However, how do YOU know what alternative I advocate?? You don't know what alternatives could even exist, what new forms and inventions. If you take your philosophy and apply it to any other field or endeavor of mankind, you would eliminate any progress. Why try to develop medicine? Leeching and blood letting seems to be working! This is analogous to your approach. Mankind IS learning as a species, we need new forms to reflect this growth
I'm all for attempting new things provided they are in line with the constitution. There is significant wiggle room for states to implement many of the things that you advocate, but that is where the change needs to occur, not at the federal level. The states were always supposed to be a laboratory where different solutions could be experimented with and where the best ideas would rise to the top. The feds are there to protect our rights and defend the nation, nothing more!
@williambellor so then you would be for continued slavery and segregation as part of a wonderful laboratory for experimentation? The constitution was an imperfect document that was built on social contract thinkers who didn't take into account women, slaves, poor,native or disabled people's and their capabilities. A document doesn't make a society, people do. You can write all you want about inalienable rights of man, but when blacks and women aren't considered men, the document is meaningless.
Slavery and segregation were not flaws in the constitution, the constitution says all men are created equal and charges the federal government with protecting individual rights. You can't blame the constitution for the bad things that come from people that aren't following it!
Where many people get confused is when they attempt to read equal opportunity and instead think it means equal results.
@williambellor um the people that wrote the constitution owned slaves and didn't think women should vote. The constitution is not to blame, it's just an old document written by slightly biased, sexist, racist men from an older time. Which is my point, freedoms are not given by a document, they are fought for by citizens, those who believe in progress, we need to keep learning and looking forward.
@williambellor and of course you avoided my point entirely, should the federal government step in if the states are doing something awful? They called lincoln a tyrant too (sic semper tyrannis!). People who think just like you, wishing to conserve the institution of slavery, thought it was horrible to step on the states toes, yet they were on the wrong side of history, and so are you.
I look at things another way, slavery existed for hundreds of years before the founding of the US & once the constitution was ratified, it was the beginning of the end of slavery. It is a miracle that such imperfect men wrote such a perfect document. The constitution implicitly banned slavery by declaring all men equal. Enemies of the constitution attempted to create loopholes by declaring certain people as "not men". Dividing people into groups, sounds like the democrats to me.
@williambellor the people who wrote the constitution owned slaves. The golden rule would also banish slavery if properly followed and that has been around for 10'000 years. SO enigmism is right, it's the way people practice ideas that make society what it is.
One other thing, while I believe that the role of the feds should be severely limited, I am not against progress, I just think we should know what the progress is and what the unintended consequences are. More government control over our lives always leads to bad things like dictators and genocide. We also need to consider that socialism is not some new idea, it has been tried many times and failed every time. We must know that the change is for the better before it is attempted.
@williambellor I do not want more government control, i want more control of government, more democracy, more reflection of the populations will. There is good government and bad government, and unfortunately half of the GOVERNMENT who tells you GOVERNMENT needs to be limited, are simply giving free reign to corporations to poison and abuse the system, commit fraud and push externalities on the people. This is BAD government.
@williambellor man lived for millions of years under tribal socialism and didn't start destroying the planet until he felt it could be owned and exploited for profit. The kibbutzim, the netherlands, the MST, all the remaining tribes are completely socialist. I lived with some in brazil and it works wonderfully there. Russia of course was not even close to socialist (workers control over production is the bare minimum, to which they did not come close). It was a ruse for dictatorship.
Beck is a hate-mongering idiot. He doesn't care about anything that doesnt have to do with getting him ratings. Don't listen to this guy, people. You have to be smarter than that.
@williambellor I don't waste my time commenting a million times trying to get people to think I'm cool. All I know is what I know. And I don't need to share the countless examples of Beck being a moron to know that he is a moron. All you have to do is see it with your eyes and you will see him for the moron that he is. And if you don't, then you're probably a moron as well. I'm neither republican nor democrat, because you know as well as I do that neither is that great. And you know it.
You may feel that you don't have to share a million examples of Beck being a moron, but apparently, you can't even provide one example. Me pointing that out doesn't make you cool, it makes you a pretty lousy debater and I guess now that I have pointed that out, it makes me a moron to.
Neither a Democrat or a Republican; who'd you vote for in the last election or the one before that? I think you're just in denial.
Bob, you are not Thomas Paine! Thomas Paine was the founder of the American liberal movement. He was a liberal, Bob! Have you read anything at all what Paine actually involved? He didn't believe in the Christian church, he believed in greater governmental involvement in the economic sector. I mean, if you are going to dress up as a Founder, do one that didn't disbelieve everything you have said.
Don't let the idiots fool you. Beck is a modern day Schindler, if you don't know who that is, do some WW2 research. He is a hero who has awakened the country. This hatred toward anyone who is successful has to stop, they are not our enemies. They are the people who have made this country great, the backbone of the greatest nation on earth.
Oh god you have to be kidding about the schindler thing please say you are kidding i can not take this ignorant shit you people are spouting anymore i forgot my fucking grammar because youre stupidity is pushing the intelligence out of my brain oh god
As is typical with Liberals, you are long on attacks and profanity and short of facts. If you have a problem with what this person said, tell us specifically what you disagree with and correct him; don't simply resort to a series of profanity laced attacks. The Schindler comparison may not be perfect, but I suspect that your objection has more to do with your hatred of Beck and anyone else who does not drink the Obama Kool-Ade than with this persons comments.
When debating or fighting a war, people tend to use their best weapons first in the hopes of ending the debate/war quickly. Most lefties have nothing more that hate and racism in their bag of tricks, so it isn't really surprising that we see so much of that during discussions like this.
Im a big fan of Bob Basso, he represents the orginal American principals. Don't let Glenn Beck fool you, he only leans to the side that gets him ratings, Beck is a phony.
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Bad move to appear with that Beck individual. A real Goebbels. Basso speaks from the heart even though he may still have some very right-wing prejudices. Not recognizing a criminal such as Beck is not surprising. The propaganda machine has been extra strong these past 8 years. The lobotomy has permeated many. Basso still gets the main point of all that is wrong, though. Reminds me of that movie "Network" in which Beal knows something is not right but can not tell truly what a la "matrix".
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Bob Basso is great. We need more orators like him. Now I guess he has been summoned to the white house to explain himself. . . .so much for freedom of speech under the obama admin.
Seems like he has speech, since it's on youtube. But he's starting to head towards what is essentially, advocating some kind of civil war. Which would be treason, essentially.
I think you should be free to give alternatives to Obama's plans. I think you should be free to say "you're spending too much here, and not enough there." But this guy is just telling people to revolt. That has never been ok.
And he doesn't represent a silent majority. He represents the losers in November.
I don't think that Bob is advocating a civil war at all. It seems clear to me that what he is advocating is that we send a clear message to our representatives (from both parties) that we are tired of them wasting our money & if they don't get with the program, we will vote them out of office & replace them with people that respect how hard we work for that money. When Ted Stevens got called in his Bridge To Nowhere and replied "Kiss My Earmark" that was an insult to every taxpaying American.
im glad to see they played this video on fox if george bush was president they didn't play shit like this i wish they would play my videos on fox but to much explicit language
Glenn Beck wasn't on Fox when Bush was in the White House, so there wasn't much of an opportunity for that.
I did look at some of your videos and I agree, there's too much profanity to be eligible for Fox or any other network. I'm not criticizing, because I have been know to swear like a sailor myself, but I don''t do it here, because I feel it degrades my argument. I think that generally, what you say in your videos is correct, but you will lose much of your audience with the profanity.
The beauty of being a conservative is that we know that we're right. Because of this we don't need to become emotional to make our point. A rational discussion of the issues is all that is needed. I know that it is easy to become frustrated when liberals say & believe stupid things, but becoming emotional only prevents us from thinking clearly & brings you down to their level. Since you & I have the facts on our side, the profanity simply becomes an unnecessary distraction.
I wish conservatives would argue with logic. Your "logic" consists of appeals to emotion, and character, which are not logical. This Thomas Paine business, is an appeal to emotion and character. Patriotism is an appeal to emotion. Fear mongering is an appeal to emotion. You guys are anything but logical. You assign labels like "liberal" when you don't want to argue the issues. It's like you're posting from an alternate dimension, when you say you are for rational arguments.
I don't know if you are replying to my comments or walstretpro2's, but if you think that our argument lacks logic and only appeals to emotion, you clearly have not read the comments posted by liberals to my videos. These comments routinely consist of personal attacks, profanity or even threats of violence directed at anyone who merely disagrees with them. Any appearance of emotion from conservatives here comes from the frustration that the inmates are in charge of the asylum.
That's pretty amazing, because that is exactly what I see from your side of the fence over here.
I'm sorry to say, that we have logic on our side. We've got the professors, we've got the science. You have tradition and values, and an appeal to the beaver cleaver America that never existed. It's unnatural for you guys to be logical, and it's unnatural for us to be illogical.
And how do I know this? Because I used to be a Republican. I know your arguments inside and out. They are in fact, based on emotion, patriotism, tradition, "family values" which change according to your needs, and so on and so forth. When I came to the other side (after getting educated, and no I was not an impressionable kid when I went to college I was well into adulthood), I saw the light. I saw the lies, and I saw all the illogical misrepresentations presented by the GOP.
My story is very similar to yours, only in the opposite direction. I used to be a Democrat who woke up when I realized that liberalism was based on emotion, rather than facts and logic. Emotion leads liberals to believe that the best way to achieve peace is by surrendering to your enemies. That emotion was recently discredited for the one trillionth time in the recent incident with the Somali pirates. That problem wasn't solved with talk, it was solved with force. You must resist evil!
Hitler wasn't defeated with talk, Imperial Japan wasn't defeated with talk, Slavery wasn't defeated with talk, they were all defeated with force. I cannot give any credit to people that refuse to understand this one simple truth. And the fact that all your professors believe in this "give peace a chance" mentality only proves that they took too much acid in the 60's and fried their brains.
So do you think you're going to defeat 800 million muslims with force?
Or in some cases, would you say it's better to fight the ideas that cause problems and not a never ending stream of enemies, that from birth to adulthood get indoctrinated in radicalism and then eventually come our way?
Wouldn't it better, or let's leave aside the humanitarian issue for a moment, wouldn't it be "cheaper" to get along than to try to essentially wage war on an entire region?
Isn't you side that keeps saying that not all Muslims are terrorists? We aren't at war with Islam, we are at war with terrorism. If we were at war with Islam, it would be easier to simply carpet-nuke the the entire region, but the fact that we are fighting with pin-prick strikes to avoid unnecessary civilian causalities proves that fact.. Regarding your last comment, you cannot "get along" with someone who wants you dead.
Out of curiosity, when have we ever "surrendered" as a nation. I'm just wondering if you can back that up with an example. Republicans have called Democrats cowards for decades and we've never in fact surrendered under a Democrat President. I just wonder how you came to this conclusion, if it wasn't based on some kind of anger at an imaginary foe -- the surrendering Democrat.
Let's see, Vietnam comes to mind, or how about Iran, we kind of ran away from that moderate Shaw of Iran and as a result, militant Islam took over the country. How about Somalia, we kind of ran away from that one as well. Now we have to deal with Somali pirates because of that failure. The best way to insure the survival of this country is to make all our enemies too terrified to even think about attacking us. Peace gestures only make us look weak and encourage our enemies.
Obongo calling a private citizen to the White House to discuss his privately made internet videos... freaking travesty. Obongo is making a mockery of the entire Presidency. It's a disgrace.
Very true, just think of the hundreds of thousands of jobs he could create with his National Re-Education program. Candidate #1 Glenn Beck, #2 Bob Basso.
Where did you hear about this? I don't doubt that it is happening because nothing the Obama administration does surprises me, but I haven't heard about it anywhere!
Thank you. World Net Daily has an article on it. The article isn't really specific but it does mention that Bob was scheduled to be on the Jerry Doyle Show and reported to the radio host that he had been summoned to the White House "to discuss the disturbing nature of the videos." This is scary! I am going to forward the WND article onto Glenn; he needs to know about this. Thanks for making me aware of it.
So I guess freedom of speech is now the enemy of the Obama administration
I was glad to see this at all on Glenn's show. I'd never heard of this guy or seen his videos, but he is amazing and absolutely right. Perhaps we should contact Glenn and ask him to have Bob on again. I'd certainly like to hear more about him.
I agree...I was thinking that it almost seemed that Glenn was kind of "luke-warm" about the guy, and trying to figure him out, not knowing what to make of him. I would have thought Glenn would have been much more excited about Bob and his message.
I saw this guy on the Regal Princess as "Hawaiian Bob". I thought he was a fraud at the time, as his personal stories seemed way to fabricated. However, when I got home and googled him, I discovered I was wrong.
These disgusting fucks have no idea what Thomas Paine believed in and stood for. Both these imposture posers can fuck each other. Leave our greatest founding father alone!
notnilccm 6 months ago
@cbjork23
Beck was not fired from CNN. He had made a deal with Fox News to move his show over there while still under contract with CNN. Once CNN learned Beck did this and was not going to renew his contract with them CNN did what any network does in such a situation, they pulled his show immediately to hinder Beck's ability to move his entire audience over to Fox. It was about damage control, not politics.
solomonskin 10 months ago
its Race, stupid.
The white Race is what fought for freedoms of speech, bare arms, etc. as well become less white, watch all our freedoms slip away into Marxism and equality.
IceAgeColumbus 10 months ago
People like Glenn Beck are over analyzing our current situations far too much and trying to cause fervor. America as of now is in no need of revolution. But if the time for revolution does come, playing dress up and sending tea bags to politicians wont do anything. Washington and Jefferson didn't model themselves after people from the past, they became their own men and succeeded. An America in turmoil will need leaders, not historical reenactors.
foxesV 1 year ago
SAYONARA AMERICA!
jeremyhillaryboobphd 1 year ago
@cbjork23 fuck off we're full, go to mars
jeremyhillaryboobphd 1 year ago
Wizard's first rule: People are stupid. They will believe a lie either because they wanted it to be true, or they are afraid it is true.
Funny how this can go both ways. I am not going to tell you people what to believe, because you won't believe me anyway. Instead, I'm just going to give you a simple fact. Glenn Beck pays more taxes in one year than most of the viewers of this video do in their entire lives. Like it or not, he is paying for your welfare checks to stay home and watch Youtube.
DominoEffect69 1 year ago
yeah yeah yeah, "he's an impostor" "that's not what thomas paine stood for", on that part i agree sure but honestly I really don't care.. I'm listening to what the guy has to say and quite frankly.. I like what I hear..
CrazyKing570 1 year ago
I almost supported Mr. Basso until he saluted Glenn Beck. Unfortunate.
DemonPacman 1 year ago
glenn beck is not a revolutionist. even putting glenn beck and "revolutionist" in the same sentence is his hysterical.
poonus21 1 year ago
Glenn Beck & Bob Basso?
That's one historical revisionist to another
DaviidHiII 1 year ago 2
is this guy are jew also ?
Deskonet 1 year ago
Go Tea Party !
Hangtime96 1 year ago
LOL
Hangtime96 1 year ago
Bob and Beck both advocate for the right. We want to cut spending. We want the government to stop telling us what to do. We want freedom. That's why Beck and Bob and a lot of other people support the right, the conservatives. Of course it's a political issue.
mitchblatt1dot1com 1 year ago
@mitchblatt1dot1com
"Bob and Beck both advocate for the right. We want to cut spending. We want the government to stop telling us what to do"
Really? Then why, as someone from the "right" is your party so keen on dnying gay americans the right to marry?
The right wants to tell them what to do...then use one bullshit religion as a justification. never mind the fact we don't live in a theocracy.
can you explain that contradiction from the right to me?
hipstermi 1 year ago
@hipstermi
Not really related to the video on this page, but I'll field this one:
williambellor 1 year ago
Part 1
Marriage doesn't belong to the US Government, it is a religious ritual and many governments have chosen to bestow benefits (tax incentives, inheritance rights and etc.) on people who participate in this religious ritual. But just because the government grants benefits to people who get married, doesn't give the government the right to alter the nature of the ritual. It is still a religious ritual and it is up to religion to determine the limits of that ritual.
williambellor 1 year ago
Part 2
The error here is not that marriage excludes homosexuals, but that the US refuses to recognize Civil Unions. I know people like to act like anyone who opposes gay marriage is guilty of a hate crime, but the truth is that most people do not oppose gays & most (70–80%) support civil unions. If the gay community were smart, they would abandon the whole gay marriage thing and push to legalize Civil Unions & they would specify in the law exactly what benefits come from Civil Unions.
williambellor 1 year ago
Part 3
And don't pull out the tired old "Separate But Equal" argument, because it isn't a valid comparison. "Separate But Equal" didn't work because the newly freed slaves weren't seen by the authorities as being truly equal and that made it easy to deny them the rights that they deserved. It is illegal to discriminate on anyone based on sexual orientation, so if any discrimination were to occur, the victims would have an open and shut case in court.
williambellor 1 year ago
Part 4
This is all a part of tolerating each other. Tolerance means that we put up with each other, not that we have to like it. You can't force someone to accept someone else's behavior because that would be a violation of their rights. Remember that it is the Museum of Tolerance, not the Museum of Acceptance. Right or wrong, religion preaches that homosexuality is a sin and it is their right to do so.
williambellor 1 year ago
Part 5
Personally, my readings of Jesus indicate that he had a tendency to hang out with sinners & probably would have included gays on the list that included prostitutes & tax collectors. This implies that Jesus was tolerant of gays, but that is a contradiction that religion needs to work out for itself & is not for government or some outside special interest group to force on them.
williambellor 1 year ago
Part 6
So the choice seems simple to me, Civil Unions & the support of the vast majority of Americans or Gay Marriage & a constant battle with the religious majority in this country. This is really what the issue is all about; if gays are allowed to get married, then it becomes a civil rights issue and a hate crime for any church that refuses to perform the ceremony. Civil Unions solve that problem!
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor
"You can't force someone to accept someone else's behavior because that would be a violation of their rights."
A Married gay couple does NOT violate your rights, anymore than my non church wedding violated yours, or the couple who has a Star Wars or Elvis wedding.
You didn't explain how a gay marriage would "violate" your civil rights.
But it seems OK for Conservatives to cram Christian reasoning down our throats in this matter.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@williambellor
"You can't force someone to accept someone else's behavior because that would be a violation of their rights."
and yet you want to force gays to accept the behavior of your hipocritical church.
You haven't given one good argument. Yours all boils down to this- you are a Christian and are only taking that one side.
Again- you conservatives preach "freedom" and want to cram government policy based on your religion down our throats.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@williambellor
"And don't pull out the tired old "Separate But Equal" argument"
being conservative, you can't tell me what is tired. I hope you skip the usual "what about a dog or a tree" or any mention of the Bible if you want to play that.
Do note, how the Netherlands saw the civil unions as separate but equal. The Protestant church there left it up to the individual churches if they wanted to do the ceremonies (aka...FREEDOM).
hipstermi 1 year ago
@williambellor
It's easy for you to take that position as your marriage will not be defined as anything different. You just want gays to have that.
"I know people like to act like anyone who opposes gay marriage is guilty of a hate crime,"
No just bigotry. Just like when you conservatives oppsed interracial marriage on your "religious" grounds as well.
hipstermi 1 year ago
@williambellor
"marriage doesn't belong to the US Government, "
and yet conservatives seek to regulate it with the gov.
"it is a religious ritual a"
My wife and I were married by a retired judge because we didn't want bullshit religion involved. We are just as married as say Mr. Beck. Why can't gays have that?
and which religion? I know several churches with gay ministers who advocate this.
Conservatives seem to want ONE religion to count...christian.
hipstermi 1 year ago
IT IS TIME! Go to USRevolution2 (dot com) and get your flag of the Second American Revolution. They are made in America and look exactly like the flag of Betsy Ross with a Roman numeral II in the center of the 13 stars. This flag is now in all 50 states and spreading from porch to porch. They make great gifts for family, friends and recovering Liberals.
usrevolution2 1 year ago
More Faux News nonsense from Glenn Beck, Queen of the Teabaggers. These hacks obviously know nothing about Tom Paine's work.
AtlasShruggery 1 year ago
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The real Thomas Paine:
"When it shall be said in any country of the world, my poor are happy, neither ignorance or distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars, the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive . . . When these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and its government." Rights of Man
SamWiseGingy 1 year ago
THOMAS PAINE Was THE FATHER OF The PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX TO FUND SOCIAL PROGRAMS TO PROMOTE EQUALITY, SUCH AS PUBLIC SCHOOL, HOW DOES THAT FIT INTO THE TEA PARTY SCHEME??
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@enigmism4life
If, from the more wretched parts of the old world, we look at those which are in an advanced stage of improvement, we still find the greedy hand of government thrusting itself into every corner and crevice of industry, and grasping the spoil of the multitude. Invention is continually exercised, to furnish new pretenses for revenues and taxation. It watches prosperity as its prey and permits none to escape without tribute.
~Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791~
That fits pretty nice!
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor And this doesn't at all answer the question I asked, which was how does the father of progressive taxation (the goverment taking more money from rich citizens to fuel programs for the whole population) become a tea party icon. Your quote is talking specifically about the government stealing from the population without just cause, ie, not for social programs which paine completely believes in, and would redistribute wealth for. Your quote is irrelevant.
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@enigmism4life
The flaw in your logic is the assumption that a conservative icon must agree with conservatives on every single issue. That would imply that conservatives don't think for themselves, because no one agrees with someone else on every single subject. A key part of your reply is this: ...government stealing from the population without "just cause". Who specifically decides what is "Just Cause"?
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor the flaw in your logic is your claiming tomas paine as a conservative icon, only because this old fool mistakenly dressed up as him. Thomas paine is the intellectual forbear to the PROGRESSIVE movement. If you've read any edmund burke you;d know that coservativism is based on original sin and thus a necessity for longstanding institutions. T paine hated christianity and was hated by early conservatives.
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@enigmism4life
Some might say that our elected leaders get to decide that, but I disagree because our leaders are not allowed to violate what's in the Constitution, which, among other things, severely limits what the federal government is allowed to do. That is what the tea party movement is really about. At issue is not how taxes are divided up among tax payers, but whether what the federal government is do is even constitutional. In the end, your question is irrelevant.
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor the middle class tax rate is lower than it has been in 50 years, the tea party didn't mind 2 trillion of national debt under george bush for an unjust and terribly executed and unconstitutional war. Where were you then? We are the only humans alive, the people who made traditions and laws are all dead, we should make our own world, relevant to modern man, while we have the chance. Conservatism is just a bad outdated political philosophy, boring minds afraid to change anything.
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@enigmism4life
How do you know what I did or didn't do during the Bush administration? And even if I did nothing then, that doesn't prevent me from objecting now that the process has been accelerated at such an alarming rate!
As for conservatism, the alternatives you advocate for have been tried throughout the world and failed every time. Only conservatism work every time it is tried. If we are going to change our political system, why would we try to change to something that has never worked?
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor Ok that's fair, I don't know what you did. However, how do YOU know what alternative I advocate?? You don't know what alternatives could even exist, what new forms and inventions. If you take your philosophy and apply it to any other field or endeavor of mankind, you would eliminate any progress. Why try to develop medicine? Leeching and blood letting seems to be working! This is analogous to your approach. Mankind IS learning as a species, we need new forms to reflect this growth
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@enigmism4life
I'm all for attempting new things provided they are in line with the constitution. There is significant wiggle room for states to implement many of the things that you advocate, but that is where the change needs to occur, not at the federal level. The states were always supposed to be a laboratory where different solutions could be experimented with and where the best ideas would rise to the top. The feds are there to protect our rights and defend the nation, nothing more!
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor so then you would be for continued slavery and segregation as part of a wonderful laboratory for experimentation? The constitution was an imperfect document that was built on social contract thinkers who didn't take into account women, slaves, poor,native or disabled people's and their capabilities. A document doesn't make a society, people do. You can write all you want about inalienable rights of man, but when blacks and women aren't considered men, the document is meaningless.
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@enigmism4life
Slavery and segregation were not flaws in the constitution, the constitution says all men are created equal and charges the federal government with protecting individual rights. You can't blame the constitution for the bad things that come from people that aren't following it!
Where many people get confused is when they attempt to read equal opportunity and instead think it means equal results.
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor um the people that wrote the constitution owned slaves and didn't think women should vote. The constitution is not to blame, it's just an old document written by slightly biased, sexist, racist men from an older time. Which is my point, freedoms are not given by a document, they are fought for by citizens, those who believe in progress, we need to keep learning and looking forward.
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@williambellor and of course you avoided my point entirely, should the federal government step in if the states are doing something awful? They called lincoln a tyrant too (sic semper tyrannis!). People who think just like you, wishing to conserve the institution of slavery, thought it was horrible to step on the states toes, yet they were on the wrong side of history, and so are you.
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@enigmism4life
I look at things another way, slavery existed for hundreds of years before the founding of the US & once the constitution was ratified, it was the beginning of the end of slavery. It is a miracle that such imperfect men wrote such a perfect document. The constitution implicitly banned slavery by declaring all men equal. Enemies of the constitution attempted to create loopholes by declaring certain people as "not men". Dividing people into groups, sounds like the democrats to me.
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor the people who wrote the constitution owned slaves. The golden rule would also banish slavery if properly followed and that has been around for 10'000 years. SO enigmism is right, it's the way people practice ideas that make society what it is.
MournfulWine 1 year ago
@enigmism4life
One other thing, while I believe that the role of the feds should be severely limited, I am not against progress, I just think we should know what the progress is and what the unintended consequences are. More government control over our lives always leads to bad things like dictators and genocide. We also need to consider that socialism is not some new idea, it has been tried many times and failed every time. We must know that the change is for the better before it is attempted.
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor I do not want more government control, i want more control of government, more democracy, more reflection of the populations will. There is good government and bad government, and unfortunately half of the GOVERNMENT who tells you GOVERNMENT needs to be limited, are simply giving free reign to corporations to poison and abuse the system, commit fraud and push externalities on the people. This is BAD government.
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@williambellor man lived for millions of years under tribal socialism and didn't start destroying the planet until he felt it could be owned and exploited for profit. The kibbutzim, the netherlands, the MST, all the remaining tribes are completely socialist. I lived with some in brazil and it works wonderfully there. Russia of course was not even close to socialist (workers control over production is the bare minimum, to which they did not come close). It was a ruse for dictatorship.
enigmism4life 1 year ago
Beck is a hate-mongering idiot. He doesn't care about anything that doesnt have to do with getting him ratings. Don't listen to this guy, people. You have to be smarter than that.
jsnyder82 1 year ago
@jsnyder82
Long on speculation, short of examples!
williambellor 1 year ago
@williambellor I don't waste my time commenting a million times trying to get people to think I'm cool. All I know is what I know. And I don't need to share the countless examples of Beck being a moron to know that he is a moron. All you have to do is see it with your eyes and you will see him for the moron that he is. And if you don't, then you're probably a moron as well. I'm neither republican nor democrat, because you know as well as I do that neither is that great. And you know it.
jsnyder82 1 year ago
@jsnyder82
You may feel that you don't have to share a million examples of Beck being a moron, but apparently, you can't even provide one example. Me pointing that out doesn't make you cool, it makes you a pretty lousy debater and I guess now that I have pointed that out, it makes me a moron to.
Neither a Democrat or a Republican; who'd you vote for in the last election or the one before that? I think you're just in denial.
williambellor 1 year ago
AMEN
Dadutta 1 year ago
glenn beck sucks balls
screnad81 1 year ago
Thanks for the brilliant insight.
williambellor 1 year ago
fuck this guy. straight up white racist. Paine was a citizen of the world. Does this old man know anything about the works of Thomas Paine?
danielcm81 1 year ago
look mom a slave owner lol
sillycandie007 1 year ago
Bob, you are not Thomas Paine! Thomas Paine was the founder of the American liberal movement. He was a liberal, Bob! Have you read anything at all what Paine actually involved? He didn't believe in the Christian church, he believed in greater governmental involvement in the economic sector. I mean, if you are going to dress up as a Founder, do one that didn't disbelieve everything you have said.
jamht1972 1 year ago
Does anyone care that Thomas Paine actually believed in socialistic principals and hated christianity? Or are the tea partyers just fucking retarded?
enigmism4life 1 year ago
@enigmism4life They're really that retarded. None of them have taken history classes (or completed high school for that matter)
jsnyder82 1 year ago
whos ready to take a damn stand? start rebelling now in anyway u can!!!
nbim72 2 years ago
i LIKE THE OLD GUY
I WATCHED HIS VIDEO AND WONDERED WHO HE WAS
Temple420org 2 years ago 2
Bob Basso is a badass
MrMrbobblehead 2 years ago
Don't let the idiots fool you. Beck is a modern day Schindler, if you don't know who that is, do some WW2 research. He is a hero who has awakened the country. This hatred toward anyone who is successful has to stop, they are not our enemies. They are the people who have made this country great, the backbone of the greatest nation on earth.
Bennie513 2 years ago
Oh god you have to be kidding about the schindler thing please say you are kidding i can not take this ignorant shit you people are spouting anymore i forgot my fucking grammar because youre stupidity is pushing the intelligence out of my brain oh god
ciscornBIG 2 years ago
As is typical with Liberals, you are long on attacks and profanity and short of facts. If you have a problem with what this person said, tell us specifically what you disagree with and correct him; don't simply resort to a series of profanity laced attacks. The Schindler comparison may not be perfect, but I suspect that your objection has more to do with your hatred of Beck and anyone else who does not drink the Obama Kool-Ade than with this persons comments.
Prove Me Wrong.
williambellor 2 years ago
@williambellor
True a side effect of drinking the Obama Kool-Aid is bouts of profanity and an inability to think logically.
thefiveneals 1 year ago
@thefiveneals
When debating or fighting a war, people tend to use their best weapons first in the hopes of ending the debate/war quickly. Most lefties have nothing more that hate and racism in their bag of tricks, so it isn't really surprising that we see so much of that during discussions like this.
williambellor 1 year ago
Bob Basso Revolution... NOW!
lovehaightorg 2 years ago 2
Im a big fan of Bob Basso, he represents the orginal American principals. Don't let Glenn Beck fool you, he only leans to the side that gets him ratings, Beck is a phony.
ContinentalArmy1776 2 years ago 2
And you evidence of this is...?
williambellor 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Bad move to appear with that Beck individual. A real Goebbels. Basso speaks from the heart even though he may still have some very right-wing prejudices. Not recognizing a criminal such as Beck is not surprising. The propaganda machine has been extra strong these past 8 years. The lobotomy has permeated many. Basso still gets the main point of all that is wrong, though. Reminds me of that movie "Network" in which Beal knows something is not right but can not tell truly what a la "matrix".
RKBJJ 2 years ago
Keep up the Fire America ! Pro Patria doughboy
islamsuxs 2 years ago
july 4th THIS YEAR! AND EVERY YEAR! millions in washington for change in the government! spread! make sure you bring the family and everything! we are running out of time! COPY SPREAD TEACH OTHERS!IF YOU CANT GO ATLEAST SPREAD THIS DATE TO OTHERS!
boxa888 2 years ago
Bob Basso is great. We need more orators like him. Now I guess he has been summoned to the white house to explain himself. . . .so much for freedom of speech under the obama admin.
dhayden7268 2 years ago
Seems like he has speech, since it's on youtube. But he's starting to head towards what is essentially, advocating some kind of civil war. Which would be treason, essentially.
I think you should be free to give alternatives to Obama's plans. I think you should be free to say "you're spending too much here, and not enough there." But this guy is just telling people to revolt. That has never been ok.
And he doesn't represent a silent majority. He represents the losers in November.
Drummydrum 2 years ago
I don't think that Bob is advocating a civil war at all. It seems clear to me that what he is advocating is that we send a clear message to our representatives (from both parties) that we are tired of them wasting our money & if they don't get with the program, we will vote them out of office & replace them with people that respect how hard we work for that money. When Ted Stevens got called in his Bridge To Nowhere and replied "Kiss My Earmark" that was an insult to every taxpaying American.
williambellor 2 years ago
im glad to see they played this video on fox if george bush was president they didn't play shit like this i wish they would play my videos on fox but to much explicit language
walstreetpro2 2 years ago
Glenn Beck wasn't on Fox when Bush was in the White House, so there wasn't much of an opportunity for that.
I did look at some of your videos and I agree, there's too much profanity to be eligible for Fox or any other network. I'm not criticizing, because I have been know to swear like a sailor myself, but I don''t do it here, because I feel it degrades my argument. I think that generally, what you say in your videos is correct, but you will lose much of your audience with the profanity.
williambellor 2 years ago
The beauty of being a conservative is that we know that we're right. Because of this we don't need to become emotional to make our point. A rational discussion of the issues is all that is needed. I know that it is easy to become frustrated when liberals say & believe stupid things, but becoming emotional only prevents us from thinking clearly & brings you down to their level. Since you & I have the facts on our side, the profanity simply becomes an unnecessary distraction.
williambellor 2 years ago
Despite all this, I am glad to add your as a friend.
WB
williambellor 2 years ago
I wish conservatives would argue with logic. Your "logic" consists of appeals to emotion, and character, which are not logical. This Thomas Paine business, is an appeal to emotion and character. Patriotism is an appeal to emotion. Fear mongering is an appeal to emotion. You guys are anything but logical. You assign labels like "liberal" when you don't want to argue the issues. It's like you're posting from an alternate dimension, when you say you are for rational arguments.
Drummydrum 2 years ago
I don't know if you are replying to my comments or walstretpro2's, but if you think that our argument lacks logic and only appeals to emotion, you clearly have not read the comments posted by liberals to my videos. These comments routinely consist of personal attacks, profanity or even threats of violence directed at anyone who merely disagrees with them. Any appearance of emotion from conservatives here comes from the frustration that the inmates are in charge of the asylum.
williambellor 2 years ago
That's pretty amazing, because that is exactly what I see from your side of the fence over here.
I'm sorry to say, that we have logic on our side. We've got the professors, we've got the science. You have tradition and values, and an appeal to the beaver cleaver America that never existed. It's unnatural for you guys to be logical, and it's unnatural for us to be illogical.
Drummydrum 2 years ago
And how do I know this? Because I used to be a Republican. I know your arguments inside and out. They are in fact, based on emotion, patriotism, tradition, "family values" which change according to your needs, and so on and so forth. When I came to the other side (after getting educated, and no I was not an impressionable kid when I went to college I was well into adulthood), I saw the light. I saw the lies, and I saw all the illogical misrepresentations presented by the GOP.
Drummydrum 2 years ago
My story is very similar to yours, only in the opposite direction. I used to be a Democrat who woke up when I realized that liberalism was based on emotion, rather than facts and logic. Emotion leads liberals to believe that the best way to achieve peace is by surrendering to your enemies. That emotion was recently discredited for the one trillionth time in the recent incident with the Somali pirates. That problem wasn't solved with talk, it was solved with force. You must resist evil!
williambellor 2 years ago
Hitler wasn't defeated with talk, Imperial Japan wasn't defeated with talk, Slavery wasn't defeated with talk, they were all defeated with force. I cannot give any credit to people that refuse to understand this one simple truth. And the fact that all your professors believe in this "give peace a chance" mentality only proves that they took too much acid in the 60's and fried their brains.
williambellor 2 years ago
So do you think you're going to defeat 800 million muslims with force?
Or in some cases, would you say it's better to fight the ideas that cause problems and not a never ending stream of enemies, that from birth to adulthood get indoctrinated in radicalism and then eventually come our way?
Wouldn't it better, or let's leave aside the humanitarian issue for a moment, wouldn't it be "cheaper" to get along than to try to essentially wage war on an entire region?
That's what logic is all about.
Drummydrum 2 years ago
Isn't you side that keeps saying that not all Muslims are terrorists? We aren't at war with Islam, we are at war with terrorism. If we were at war with Islam, it would be easier to simply carpet-nuke the the entire region, but the fact that we are fighting with pin-prick strikes to avoid unnecessary civilian causalities proves that fact.. Regarding your last comment, you cannot "get along" with someone who wants you dead.
williambellor 2 years ago
Out of curiosity, when have we ever "surrendered" as a nation. I'm just wondering if you can back that up with an example. Republicans have called Democrats cowards for decades and we've never in fact surrendered under a Democrat President. I just wonder how you came to this conclusion, if it wasn't based on some kind of anger at an imaginary foe -- the surrendering Democrat.
Drummydrum 2 years ago
Let's see, Vietnam comes to mind, or how about Iran, we kind of ran away from that moderate Shaw of Iran and as a result, militant Islam took over the country. How about Somalia, we kind of ran away from that one as well. Now we have to deal with Somali pirates because of that failure. The best way to insure the survival of this country is to make all our enemies too terrified to even think about attacking us. Peace gestures only make us look weak and encourage our enemies.
williambellor 2 years ago
Obongo calling a private citizen to the White House to discuss his privately made internet videos... freaking travesty. Obongo is making a mockery of the entire Presidency. It's a disgrace.
Wotan420 2 years ago
We must not have any dissent towards the Obamessiah that might block his efforts to transform our country into s Socialist Paradise!
Resistance Is Futile; All Will Be Assimilated!
williambellor 2 years ago
Very true, just think of the hundreds of thousands of jobs he could create with his National Re-Education program. Candidate #1 Glenn Beck, #2 Bob Basso.
Wotan420 2 years ago
Candidate #3 Me, Candidate #4 You!
williambellor 2 years ago
This guy in the video, Bob Basso, just got "summoned" to the White House because Obama doesn't like his YouTube videos.
I say if Bob is "summoned," then WE ARE ALL SUMMONED and should join him on his trip to Washington.
Grab your torches and pitch forks fellow Americans and don't make Bob face them alone.
I'll drive if someone wants to buy the gas.
videomission 2 years ago
Where did you hear about this? I don't doubt that it is happening because nothing the Obama administration does surprises me, but I haven't heard about it anywhere!
williambellor 2 years ago
You can google it, there are several sites that are talking about it.
videomission 2 years ago
Thank you. World Net Daily has an article on it. The article isn't really specific but it does mention that Bob was scheduled to be on the Jerry Doyle Show and reported to the radio host that he had been summoned to the White House "to discuss the disturbing nature of the videos." This is scary! I am going to forward the WND article onto Glenn; he needs to know about this. Thanks for making me aware of it.
So I guess freedom of speech is now the enemy of the Obama administration
williambellor 2 years ago
Kind of makes you long for the days when the government only worried about which library books you were checking out!
williambellor 2 years ago
People need to stand up and take back their/our country...and in the UK too-they need to take back thier country
hmsocal 2 years ago 2
163,000 Terrorists....wow, no wonder the US government is shitting themselves
cookeladoo 2 years ago
...and that's just in the first week. Watch out complacent, do nothing politicians!
We Surround You!
williambellor 2 years ago
I saw this ealier. I was wondering why Glenn Beck didn't give him more air time. Mr. Basso has a great message.
DebBnGA33 2 years ago
I was glad to see this at all on Glenn's show. I'd never heard of this guy or seen his videos, but he is amazing and absolutely right. Perhaps we should contact Glenn and ask him to have Bob on again. I'd certainly like to hear more about him.
williambellor 2 years ago
I agree...I was thinking that it almost seemed that Glenn was kind of "luke-warm" about the guy, and trying to figure him out, not knowing what to make of him. I would have thought Glenn would have been much more excited about Bob and his message.
jarden69 2 years ago 2
I saw this guy on the Regal Princess as "Hawaiian Bob". I thought he was a fraud at the time, as his personal stories seemed way to fabricated. However, when I got home and googled him, I discovered I was wrong.
NichtOliver 2 years ago