Joe Klein: Petraeus Got an Angry WH Call During Testimony

[8data]

chis mathews is out of a job

[wcarlpdrysdale]

god bless amarica , and ron paul

[prrolg]

Where is Fred Flintstone beating down Barney Rubble when he's needed!!

[thomasw78]

If you watch the video of Petreaus correcting his statement its pretty obvious someone told him to change his answer. The corruption knows no ends.

[tiber23]

The war is going badly because people in powerful postions don't want to disagree with Bush. This is a president who refuses to change course because he believes he doing the right thing. This is commponded by him being surrounded by yes men. I hope for the best, but the truth was and is you can't give democracy to people they have to want democracy.

[Veracifier]

thanks for watching everyone!

[azn2go]

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooring!

[carsonwilder]

booooooooooooooooring.

[b9keith]

we loose our jobs and homes... our children and pets are poisoned... I smell a bloody revolution in the Moriah Conquering Wind...

[GOPSpinMachineInOD]

Wake up you ridiculous fools! The USA is being stolen out the back door by special interests lobbyists and their financially backed politicians. It may already be too late.

[prrolg]

Go fuck yourself.

[listersc]

Charlie McCarthyism - thats Classic and to the point.

[gonzguard]

Chris Matthews is a dumb-ass

[owenandcam]

Are they wearing the same tie ?

[latykai]

it isnt about Iraq, but rather the bush andministration's handling of the news and the manipulation of the public's right to accurate information.

[AgeofAquarius16]

Islam is nothing but a subset of Hinduism. Mohammed destroyed all idols but installed the oval black stone in Kaaba, which the pre-Islamic Arabs worshipped as 'Moha dev' or 'Maha dev' which is Shiva in India. Also the crescent and dot is nothing but a sign of Shakti(Shiva) which is seen in Hindu Om and photos of Shiva. Al-Ilah(Allah) is nothing but Goddess Ilah(Eela) which is one of many names of Shiva's consort.

[AgeofAquarius16]

During Hajj, they go seven times around the Kaaba just like the Hindus do around Shiva temples in India.

[poetworm]

Petraeus' hair cut sucks.

i am appaled that this would happen, but not surprised. Betrayus is a bonafide failure and a poor General. is this guy for real? you don't know whether or not things are going well? what kind of answer is that? show a little backbone, "General".

[vrede420]

"Iraq is suffering about double the number of war-related deaths throughout the country compared with last year." - AP, 8/25/07

US troop deaths are higher each month this year than the same month in 06.

Al Qaeda is stronger now than at any time since 2001 - CIA.

You're doing a heck of a job, Betrayus!

[vrede420]

Please read what the brave soldiers of the 82nd Airborne have to say about the Iraq war in an op-ed first published in the NY Times, Aug. 19, 2007. Mora and Gray have since died and Murphy has been seriously wounded.

globalpolicy(dot)org/security/­issues/iraq/withdraw/2007/0819­aswesawit.htm

Also, read what active duty Lt. Col. Paul Yingling has to say about the mismanagement of the war: armedforcesjournal(dot)com/200­7/05/2635198

[cmanw]

Look, I honestly think Gen. P is a very intelligent man, and when he was asked that question I REALLY wanted to say "No, think this war is making America LESS safe!". Of course, he would've been fired if he said that.

[anigma68]

happiness is a mushroom cloud!

[angusharris]

Gen P gave us all a signal when he answer "I don't know" about our security improving with because of the Iraq war. That was a big message. He is trapped. Sad.

[pbilger]

Your right bill, I read that two weeks ago. Our soldiers are dying over oil.  Nothing more nothing less.

[upconstruct]

I believe he was promoted by Bush. It seems to be a conflict of interest.Bush has a way of putting yes men and like thinking people around him.Truth and honesty are gone for the sake of Bush's and the elite's agendas.We need to take control back from these elite and remind them that the gov't is of the people by the people and FOR the peolpe not the elite and corporations.

[d1mf1n]

Petraeus is a bitch

[angusharris]

John MCCain is alive because the VC let him live. Combine that with the protest lead by John Kerry during the war and you get an end to Vietnam and McCain was released. This is a fact.

[pjt03]

Too many puppets in America~

[leony2007x]

everyone forgets about the WMD's...um the reason we invaded another country...where dey at????????

[Greenweenie27]

The current administration offers the same game plan administration "B" would be proposing. The coporate glodal consolidation of goverment/buisness is inextricable to the police like role US military is currently employed in. Say no to The AMERO!!! (legal tender for the US/Canada/Mexico) and its North American Union. It coming your way soon, and it will ruin our nation's already depleted sovereginty.

[junkradio]

thought control.

[EchelonMonitor]

Bush is following orders, and the orders are, "Stay in Iraq at all costs!"

The main reasons are to protect Israel, control the oil, and keep the big profits flowing from defense and reconstruction contracts.

There are 14 permanent bases in Iraq, including 6 mega-bases with everything from fitness centers to Pizza Huts.

THEY WILL NEVER AGREE TO BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME!!!

[Moviebro]

Tyranny!

[bowwowbill]

GENERAL BETRAY US!

[Zile77]

President Bush made a good speech on Iraq. His resolve is something democraps will never have, which is why they side against America. They did the same thing against president Reagan when he went against the Russians to end the cold war. Democraps were WRONG then, and they are just as WRONG now!

[isaachaze1]

yes, he has the power of jesus behind him and democrats are the antichrist. reagan was god and bush is one of his angels. everything will be ok zile! let's pray together!

[Edella]

Yah, yah. Any disagreement with current policy regarding Iraq is siding against America.

The dismal situation in Iraq combined with the audacity to label all who disagree with them un-American spells doom for the modern day Neo-con.

Political Suicide.

As the mid-term elections have shown, America ain't buying it. 2008 elections will most likely see similar results.

[vrede420]

Zile77,

We also went against Reagan when he was arming both Saddam and the Iranian ayatollahs. Reagan was wrong then and Americans are dying because of it now.

BTW, it's not just "democraps".

AP, 9/11/07:

59% of Americans see the Iraq war as a faliure, 34% a success.

58% see the surge as a flop, 36% a success.

These are record disapproval numbers for an active war.

[Unkn0wnGuy]

Hey Zile, what the hell are you smoking? I want some!

[vrede420]

Please read what the brave soldiers of the 82nd Airborne have to say about the Iraq war in an op-ed first published in the NY Times, Aug. 19, 2007. Mora and Gray have since died and Murphy has been seriously wounded.

globalpolicy(dot)org/security/­issues/iraq/withdraw/2007/0819­aswesawit.htm

Also, read what active duty Lt. Col. Paul Yingling has to say about the mismanagement of the war: armedforcesjournal(dot)com/200­7/05/2635198

[vrede420]

"Iraq is suffering about double the number of war-related deaths throughout the country compared with last year." - AP, 8/25/07

US troop deaths are higher each month this year than the same month in 06.

Al Qaeda is stronger now than at any time since 2001 - CIA.

You're doing a heck of a job, Betrayus!

[patsagainstrats]

Pure speculation on the part of this liberal. Next time he gets a call on the set of Hardball, let's just assume it's his masters at Moveon.

[vrede420]

bill10979,

Got it, you're saying that Jews are smarter than "Whitemen".

[nightowlky]

Ruh roh...IraqMe Dave Petraeus went off-script!!

[capsource1]

I love watching you liberals IMPLODED and you better hang on to your panties cause we aints leaving anytime soon. LOLOLOL

MAQUOKETA, Iowa -- Despite the unpopularity of the Iraq war, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama predicted Thursday that Congress won't directly challenge President Bush's plans and will focus instead on putting a ceiling on the number of troops deployed to that country.

[xxironballzxx]

spineless bastards all of them liberals conservative politicians fuck iraq i dont care if they all kill each other i just dont want americans over there getting killed for those scum

[jj35744]

We broke it, we bought it. We, like the USSR in Afghanistan, will be there for many more years accomplishing nothing. Do you really believe that Iraqis will become a democratic country that loves the christian west???

[sirjames45]

1.They now are exposed to hearing the gospel. That is the best thing. 2. we now have a strategically placed military SAC base. 3. Iraq will NEVER be a place where Jihadists can train openly. 4. we are killing or capturing approx. 60 jihadists, for every soldier that dies. 5. after we are done showing the Iranian Mullahs that they can't have nukes, we will deter the rest of them from trying to get them.

[vrede420]

sirjames45: "we are killing or capturing approx. 60 jihadists, for every soldier that dies."

Too bad Cheney/Shrub's policies and incompetence have led to their being created faster than we can kill or capture them.

[sirjames45]

The next step would be include massive civilian casualties. I am not ready for that step....yet.

I don't want civilians dying. But, if five years from now, Muslim Jihadists are still trying to attack our nation, then I say it will be time.

[vrede420]

sirjames45,

The genocide caucus has spoken! The next meeting is Sunday in Nuremburg. Don't be late.

BTW, 700,000+ have already died in Iraq and the CIA says Al Qaeda is stronger now than at any time since 2001. I'm sure your failed strategy will work sometime, if we just keep doing the same dumb thing over and over and over and...

[DZDownUnder]

Yeah maybe if they just kill everyone else in the world everything would be Roses?

[gmfutube]

What? Kill everyone? No indeed, no War Profits in that. Just kill a steady stream of them.

[sirjames45]

You moonbats keep revising your figures up. Hey, if you are just making stuff up, why not a million?

I notice you give no solution for Islamic terrorism, just the infantile "war is bad" mantra. we are killing a lot of terrorists over there, and we WILL continue to kill them as long as they come there.

[vrede420]

Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health - "We estimate that as of July, 2006, there have been 654,965 (392,979--942,636) excess Iraqi deaths as a consequence of the war, which corresponds to 2·5% of the population." Our invasion under false pretenses and subsequent mismanagement has already brought a bloodbath to Iraq.

I notice you give no evidence for your claims.

[vrede420]

sirjames45,

I notice you give no solution for Islamic terrorism, just the infantile "Bush is good" mantra. We are killing a lot of civillians over there, and we WILL continue to kill them as long as fools think that this somehow reduces the threat of future terrorism.

[DZDownUnder]

You are also killing innocent Fathers and Mothers, What do you think their Kids are going to want to do when they grow up?

Ummmm . . . Kill Americans? Perhaps?

You are creating Terrorists and will so until you stop fucking with THEIR land, and secure your own borders.

I've got an Out there Idea on how to stop Terrorists entering America . . . Here we go . . Secure your borders, and Use your so called "Intellegence" to screen bad guys!

[typecheck]

all these seem good but are you paying for it with your money and blood? Chicken hawks like to spend other people's money and blood for their agenda. What a bunch of cowards!

[sirjames45]

We have no choice. The aggressor sets the terms.

Jihadists are trying to get a nuclear device into America. if they accomplish this, they will kill many thousands more in an instant.

[DZDownUnder]

America IS the Aggressor you dip shit, you ARE setting the terms, America is Considering Nuclear options on Iran!!!!!

You fought the USSR when they have thousands of Nuclear Weapons but somehow didn't fuck things up, but now when fighting a bunch a Terrorists with no army no weapons (unless supplied by the US) who live in the hills of Pakistan, you are ready to go to all out war? and kill millions of People?

[DZDownUnder]

Why? For Oil!!

This isn't about Terrorism, G Dubya had planed to Attack Iraq before 9/11, Iran supplies 19% of china's oil and who is the biggest threat to America's dominence as the only Superpower, yep thats right . .China! This is about money and Power simple as that.

[gmfutube]

Who told you this Bullshit?

1. which Jihadist?

2. where does this nuke come from?

3. what kind of nuke is it that can be sneaked into the country?

4. How will it be delivered?

Good heavens, do some reading on nuclear weapons before you believe such silly crap.

[cornbreadjunkie]

They weren't training there before. Iraq was a secular country. Women could drive cars and go to school. After we leave, it's going to be an Islamic state- no matter when we leave.

Like you're going to convert a billion Muslims anyway.

[len1230]

convert the arab gutter with MX peace keepers.

[jj35744]

So if they opened a base in your city and exposed you to Islam, your beliefs would change to be more like muslims?

Saddam was the best deterent to jihadists and he would not allow Iran to get a nuke.

[capsource1]

MAQUOKETA, Iowa -- Despite the unpopularity of the Iraq war, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama predicted Thursday that Congress won't directly challenge President Bush's plans and will focus instead on putting a ceiling on the number of troops deployed to that country.

[DZDownUnder]

UH Der . . I could have told you that!

[ShiekYerbooty]

bush and his globalist masters have no use for independant honest thought, they only need shills who will forward their agenda

[jhr459]

How dare you speak of our beloved emperor like that?

;)

[pongman]

lol

[umnwade]

: (

[jj35744]

Let's see, we sold arms to Iraq, Reagan sold weapons to the terrorists in Iran that are now killing our boys, we supported the mujahadeen in Afghanistan that are now Bin Laden's lot. Is there any chance that all this training and billions of dollars we're spending to train and arm Iraq will, once again, be used against us?

[capsource1]

MAQUOKETA, Iowa -- Despite the unpopularity of the Iraq war, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama predicted Thursday that Congress won't directly challenge President Bush's plans and will focus instead on putting a ceiling on the number of troops deployed to that country.

[buzderan]

yes, helo this is me youre HISTORY...

[gemini067]

busboy; and you are full of shit.

[EFISHANT]

It's really sad to see these guys sell there souls for this charade. What happen to Colin Powell ? I think he's so ashamed we'll never see him again! Is there anything more pathetisc than guys that actually went to Vietnam selling the same nonsense for clowns didn't even go?

[zappaelcrappa]

Im not a big criss mat. fan but he does some good interviews sometimes?

[PackedFunk]

Betrayus be a puppet. Chris was correct.

[PackedFunk]

Betrayus is just another Bush Lackie. Quagmire (Iraq) won't change until Bush is gone. Congress is helpless except for stopping funding. They won't do that due to blame game.

[gemini067]

If Chris Mathews show was half as big as his head he would be on a real network, he competes with Keith Oldman for the lowest audience. Even libs don't watch MSNBC, does that tell you something?

[buzderan]

yes, that there is a lot of ignoranc...

[615ocean]

IMEACH Bush Cheney now

[aclusux]

MSNBC has no credibility and that is why they will always have low ratings. You would have to be the village idiot buy into there lies. OPEC appreciates the diversion made by libs that blame President Bush for high oil prices.

[vrede420]

Please read what the brave soldiers of the 82nd Airborne have to say about the Iraq war in an op-ed first published in the NY Times, Aug. 19, 2007. Mora and Gray have since died and Murphy has been seriously wounded.

globalpolicy(dot)org/security/­issues/iraq/withdraw/2007/0819­aswesawit.htm

Also, read what active duty Lt. Col. Paul Yingling has to say about the mismanagement of the war: armedforcesjournal(dot)com/200­7/05/2635198

[erfica]

V

Whenever I see the 82nd, I get interested. I was a Lt.,71542 with the 3/505, and then with 3/187 with the 101st in RVN. I know how the DC congress sold us out, and it would appear that it is happenning again.

But, I can see no reason to be in Iraq.

[vrede420]

erfica,

So, what did you think of the op-ed, both it's content and the fact that these active duty soldiers wrote it? I'm interested in your perspective. What if folks had written a similar one from Vietnam?

[erfica]

Well, first, not oped. Chris? The Philly thing? I did go to college there. Chris? Tell me something new. My perspective on Iraq?. I see no reason to be there. The military?

R

[vrede420]

"Iraq is suffering about double the number of war-related deaths throughout the country compared with last year." - AP, 8/25/07

US troop deaths are higher each month this year than the same month in 06.

Al Qaeda is stronger now than at any time since 2001 - CIA.

You're doing a heck of a job, Betrayus!

[gemini067]

If you are a real patriot and can do a better job, why aren't you over there, or is it that you are simply an asshole with a big mouth, who knows very little, and makes even less meaningful comments.

[vrede420]

gemini067,

Same reason as you - too old now. If you weren't too lazy to click, you'd already know that. Why bother engaging in reasoned debate when anonymous, childish name-calling is so much less effort. BTW, I certainly couldn't do a worse job for the military and America's citizens that Cheney/Shrub have.

[gemini067]

vr: You don't know my age, and I did not bother to click because I read your comment and could see you had nothing worthwhile to say. As far as "childish name calling" is concerned, "betrayus", or "shrub" you hypocrite. I did not call you a name, I was stating a fact, you are an asshole with a big mouth and all bullshit.

[vrede420]

gemini067,

Good point. All I know is that your profile says '52'. Okay then, you're not 52, you're just a liar. At least I've provided some evidence, whether you accept it or not. All you seem capable of is whiney flaming.

[gemini067]

vr: I don't consider 52 old, and never call me a liar unless you are standing in front of me. I don't know where you get your info from, and I could care less, you see what you want to see, and you do not want to know what I am capable of. "whiny flaming" those two words said it all, you are a fag, thats why stating you are an asshole with a big mouth didn't bother you, you took it as a compliment.

[cornbreadjunkie]

You're really 52? And this is the way you talk to people?

52 is too old for military enlistment. That's what the guy was saying.

[gemini067]

junkie; Are you a mind reader? How in hell do you know what that asshole fag was saying, unless there is a connection between you and him, or you are not just a junkie, you are also queer too.

[cornbreadjunkie]

I'm not a mind reader. I'm just a regular word reader. You should try it!

[gemini067]

junkie: try reading when you are not high, you might get a different interpretation.

[vrede420]

gemini067,

My you're thick. I didn't say that 52 was old. I said that at 50 I, like you, am "too old now" to serve in Iraq. I am so, so sorry for saying that you were lying on your profile. Rather you were lying when you said, "You don't know my age..."

"Fag" has to be the most incompetent insult possible. If I am gay it is merely accurate. If I'm straight it is just silly and demonstrates that your maturity has not advanced in 40 years.

[gemini067]

vr: "gay is accurate", that is bullshit, it is a word the queers are using to play the part of a discriminated minority, actually faggot is a more fitting term, pardon the pun. First, how many fags have you seen that were not crying or complaining, so you can't call them gays, second, and more important, homosexuality is immoral, and even the Pope can not change that.

[vrede420]

gemini067,

He was correct because, unlike you, he is able to comprehend a simple sentence. Here, read the exchange again. Take your time, think hard.

gemini06: "...why aren't you over there..."

vrede420: "Same reason as you - too old now."

[gemini067]

vr; Almost right, he is a simpleton able to comprehend a statement made by a simpleton. The only thing that is correct is the fact that you see, and hear, only what you like, everything and everyone, other than you, is wrong. You quote stats, and papers that enforce you thinking, Iraq, if it was a dem. prez, would not be in your vocabulary, you are playing politics.

[eekdog2005]

Just show's the type of SCUM running our country today!

[julianhpike]

General Patraeus is being used exactly the way C. Powell was. An honest man's word to manipulate the leg. branch of our government, and the amermican public opinion to enable a little rich kid's wet warmongering dream.

[jasonlajoie]

What's the general to do, tell the truth and end his career? Come on, the guy wants to retire WITH a pension. Is that so hard to understand?

[4951WEDDEL]

Totally distortion of what General Petraeus said and what happen. Asking a general to comment on government policy is inappropriate at best.

[shaire99]

Listen up fool, Bush has stated categorically that the general will call the shots, so to speak. That is, de facto, policy making regardless of how CHENEY and his lapdog BUSH would like to color it. Damn dude, read up.

[vrede420]

4951WEDDEL,

You might be correct except for the fact that, "Are we safer?" is a military question.

[bigge525]

I feel sorry for Petraeus for being nothing but a

fall guy for that pussy GWB that doesn't want to

have to explain his screw-ups to the public.

[kalvinphil]

Poor Petreas is a puppet....If he were a real American ....he would have narc-ed on BUSH !!!

[roodala]

-Petraeus 220 BC Sent by king of Macedonia, to Lacedaemonians to confirm submission and allegiance to Macedonia. He later commanded a force in Thessaly against the Aetolian invaders. -Petraeus 2007 AD Sent by prez of US, to Iraq to confirm submission and allegiance to US. He later commanded a force in Iran against the Al Queda invaders. This history has already been written.

[micsc50]

Amazing how these two liberal hacks twisted that whole thing around. Typical liberal media propaganda.

[wntoply6]

hmm micsc5 does it compare in any shape or form to the twisting the whitehouse does (oops sorry, go ahead now YOU lie and tell us all the whitehouse doen't lie constantly to cover their fuckups).

does it also compare to the 150 neo con hacks who twist the truth on an hourly basis at faxu noise.

you would show a maudicum of courage if you responded to this you nco con hack.

[micsc50]

I know what the 6 stands for, your age. I see you are playing STIPID again and you are winning too.

[wntoply6]

thanks, & your spelling exemplifies why i am winning.

problem is micsc, u just can't stand the fact neo cons r being exposed in all stages of the political game 4 what u r. from wars, to hurricanes to a-moral sex from both ends of the spectrum.

seems if i am winning u ignorant, bigoted christian neo cons r having problems that have not stopped the hemoraging of support 4 u hypocrites.

just pisses you off, doesn't it!

[micsc50]

You are one dumb son of a bitch. Go back under your bridge you liberal yellow bellied troll you are powerless.

[vrede420]

micsc50,

It's so nice to hear from you Senator Larry Craig. Hang in there!

[DZDownUnder]

Thanks for showing you true colours Micsc, Thats all neo-cons can do when in an Argument, Insult and then run home crying for there mummies, because they don't know anything to Argue about!

[MacCreedy]

suck my hard ballz you fucking insects.

[EchelonMonitor]

Was betrayus promised a job at Halliburton or the Carlyle Group when he retires?

[holdingcompany]

it is all just a heap of lies. one on top of the other.

[hazerml]

great

[n1temairdr1fter]

Cheney should reward Petreus by taking him on a hunting expedition...

[poolerboy0077]

Almost 4,000 U.S. soldiers dead. Close to 1,000,000 Iraqis dead. Petreus can't say that the illegal war is worth the blood sacrifice of innocents and doesn't verify the rhetoric of the Bush administration.

Question: Do you want to risk your life for "I don't know", I don't.

[ImperiusRex]

i liked that Petraeus sought to be honest and honorable. His so-called "retraction" wasn't really all that different from what he said the first time around, just a clarification. I don't see him as a Bush puppet.

[brabon]

hey, can i sell you some swamp land in florida?? cuz you are one gullible motherfucker

petraeus is a puppet

[hohe1238]

I agree with you. I believe Gen. Patraeus gave an open an honest assessment of the situation in Iraq...

[DZDownUnder]

Do watch any other news besides what comes from mainstream America?, because if you did you would realize that you are Not winning, Cannot Win, and Will not win because you have already lost. There is nothing left to win, You can not win a war when you cannot define the enemy!

[hohe1238]

You have a point. However, as of now, it's about meeting the benchmarks. The government over there has been slow in meeting; however, the others are coming along quite nicely. It's not about killing anymore. But to ensure that the benchmarks are met, killing is somethimes necessary...

[cornbreadjunkie]

This answer is wrong. The benchmarks, whatever they are, could be met, and then when the US leaves, the entire situation will be horrible again.

Benchmarks are a bullshit way of putting off the inevitable- the US will leave, and after we leave whatever is going to happen, will happen. It doesn't matter when we leave, it's going to fall to pieces.

[hohe1238]

I see what you're sayin, but where do you derive your information? How can you give your arguement any credibility?

[sirjames45]

I am amazed at your psychic powers. Now, the Japanese, and Germans, they were much better folks and that's why we were able to change them right?

[cornbreadjunkie]

Mmm. I think you might be a reverse psychic.

[guerone]

Im surprised betrayus strayed from the talking points at all, he should not slip up after all the gitmo mind control they did to him. The Manchurian General

[hohe1238]

Please, if you can't put a comment on here that is remotely intelligent, please don't make a fool of yourself...

[gemini067]

hohe; I agree, calling a general who has served with distinction "betrayus", is inane and stupid, but you have to remember you are on UT, what did you expect, this is only a place to post comments for people whom no one pays attention to in the first place.

[dafttool]

The Bush White House lives & dies by it's daily talking points, even more than the rest of the heavily-scripted GOP. How many times have we watched the Sunday morning news shows with everybody saying the exact same phrase in lockstep. But who the hell writes these talking points? It's obviously not Bush or Cheney. So who is this master propagandist wordsmith? It certainly isn't Bush's speech writer. I've always just assumed it was Rove.

[fishhead06]

Lol - Charlie McCarthyism!

[DamNationDiplomat]

How brainwashed is chris matthews that he didn't already see how much of a puppet petreus is!? Bush fires anyone who doesn't agree with him, and hires on a neo-con yes-man to replace the dissenter. It's not a secret that bush only listens to positive feedback.

[ParapaDrifter]

lol stuck between Iraq and a hard white house... I really do hate the way the Bush adm can bully people around to get their way.

My thoughts are with you general as well as your men/women. Those motherfuckin Iraqis are holdin' our soldiers hostage! Work it fuckin out you idiots!

God have mercy on Bush's soul... This botched war is his heart of black gold's fault.

[DamNationDiplomat]

The iraqis never asked for this war. This is OUR war, and picking up the nancy pelosi sword of "do it your damn selves, iraq," is missing the point. Yes, the iraquis have to work it out for themselves, but we cannot simply pass the buck to them because we wish we hadn't been the match in the fireworks stand.

[Kapan60]

I would have agreed with you if we just toppled Saddam's regime months ago, but the fact is we have given the Iraqi goverment time with the the blood of our troops and trillions of dollars. They need to step up, take responsibility for Iraq, and end the civil war. We need to stop trying to play all of the factions in Iraq with this failed strategy.

[DamNationDiplomat]

We were PAINFULLY unaware of the political/ethnic situation in iraq before the insurgency, and we (as you said) tried to play all the factions as if they were all in agreement. If we wanted to 'win' we would pick shia, sunni, or kurd, put them in power, and massacre the rest. This is an inhumane and ugly solution, but then again, war is inhumane and ugly; that's why i've been against it from the start.

[DevBlazed]

We knew... don't be so naive. We knew exactly what would happen. The de-stabilization of iraq is EXACTLY what they wanted.

[RonPaulVoters]

It's what they needed!

[DamNationDiplomat]

What does ANYONE gain from this vaccuum AK-anarchy? There's no money to be made, no power gained, no imerial take. Who, besides power-hungry iraqui militants, stands to gain from this?

[jj35744]

The two largest contributers to the Bush campaign, big oil and defense, have made billions.

[Kapan60]

Oh I agree entirely we should have not went into Iraq, but the fact is the division between Shi'ite and Sunni Muslims has been ongoing for nearly 1,000 years. Iraq itself was only formed 70 years ago, and only survived the 80s because of Saddam's reign of terror.

Cheney knew occupying Iraq was a mess and said so 9 years before the Iraq War. We continue to play sides in this sectarian violence for short term goals...but we have no real long term strategy in Iraq.

[DamNationDiplomat]

The great tragic irony of this whole mess is that saddam was loyal to america. We have nothing to offer religious extremists and idealists. America's great asset is its wealth and weaponry, and in exchange for wealth and weaponry, saddam and his sunni elites would have been willing to cut a deal for the oil, and whatever else we wanted. Instead, we've empowered those who desire enlightenment and godliness, and i don't think we have those in our checking account.

[asdffd]

You do know that a clear majority of Iraqis (57% according to the most recent BBC/ABC poll) support attacks on American troops. You honestly think, at a time when America is 9 TRILLION dollars in the hole, that the American taxpayer should be forced to pony up hundreds of billions more for a country where a majority of the population supports attacks on the troops who were sent to help them? Whether we stay or leave- the civil war will rage on. I'm not willing to go over there- ARE YOU?

[Kapan60]

Don't forget the $30 billion we just sent Israel to help their self-defense budget either...

[DZDownUnder]

So if Someone invaded America, and you life turned to shit because of it, would you Support attacks on them? No?

You went in there under the GUISE of helping Iraqi's, that is totally obvious now, The real reason was to secure the area for US Interests and set up a base in which to attack Iran, which has been a goal of the USA for a while now.

[buzderan]

armagedon...

[3und]

So now it's the "motherfuckin Iraqis" to blame, huh? After the US government(supported by the majority of your congress and your people then) went against the worldwide consensus and bombed and occupied and broke and overturned everything, causing tens of thousands of civillian deaths and millions of refugees to flee their homes. And now it's the "motherfuckin Iraqis" to blame. How typical, too coward to admit your own mistakes.

[DZDownUnder]

Yeah, that seams to be the typical American Attitude these days

"It wasnt my fault, the Iraqi/Iranian/Muslim/Arab/Comm­unist/Chinese/Mexican did it"

You dumb fucks who still support this war should sing "Land of the Brainwashed, Home of the Ignorant" in your national anthem

At least Ron Paul supporters know what is really happening!