Moon vs Sky - Zeppelin Micro!

[rjayboy95]

COOL

[sebasliv24]

This is warcraft?

did any know where i get a good server of batle?

[TheBronf]

the smart thing to do is KILL THE ZEP jesus it doesn't take a master player to figure that out

[Balenius]

@TheBronf Yup because Sky wouldn't do that if that was the better choice.... One archmage hitting a zep that would take maybe 1minute to kill it. While he has 6 archers and a hero hitting him :)

[TheBronf]

@Balenius ya but he has a water ele and a few footmen to tank for a while while the range killed it : /

[Balenius]

@TheBronf There is like 2 footmen there and it is still not "impossible" to move a zep.

[TheBronf]

@Balenius there are only three at start of the vid not that battle so he would of still got the zep

[NetherMoore]

@TheBronf u dont play this game do you... 

[TheBronf]

@NetherMoore umm ya i used to. i quited because it filled up with to many assholes and people who complain to mutch

[SimaSupremacy]

@TheBronf assholes likes you.

This is genius gameplay, and hitting zepp would have been 100% useless.

[scarecrow4002]

omg one archer died 0.o

[KafleCharck1]

14 people tried to do this

[KafleCharck1]

14 tried to do this

[xXxGominoloxXx]

An epic moment. That beautiful those times.

[yetiii21]

Not the units are dealing the damage, but Moon's massive skill.

[era1337]

Stronk Macro

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 micro...

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe yup but BW people normally macro while doing it. his money goes up for bad times :)

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 yeah and this here is micro :D

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe and he cant macro while doing micro? sad panda i guess.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 he doing macro at the same time

its a replay so u dont see what is he doing

u just see where the guy who watch it is lookting at this time

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe i see his money going up. so no. he is not doing macro at the same time.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 he just won because of micro so what would happen if he die and makes 3 new units... it would be a lose so at this time he onwed with his 400apm...

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe game was far from over there. and he cant do it both? nice 400 apm there :) gonan go back 2 my SC pros they can do both.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 sc2 are the same player

sc2 has no micro at all...

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe funny that u think i talk abotu this crap SC2 players that can fuck someoen and play SC2 at the same time...

Obv i talk about SC:BW.

i dont even talk shit 2 him just that it would be way better and something good imo if he did somethign else while doing that. not that hard with 400 apm imo.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 but maybe he just waited because u get mor money when u have less supply

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe y with 41 supply he waits hm? he could do better there end of the story. not even shittalking him

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 his micro was awesome his macro was off at this time

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe well i dont think micro was awesome... might be because B teamers in BW can do that :D so yeah.

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe oh and they do it with macroing.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 no with micro..

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe yes with micro they do both. its not hard 2 drop units out and dodge shots.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 haha u never played wc3 did u

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe i did alot . but i also played and watched alot of SC and because of that i dont get why people here go apeshit over it. might be because its the first time they see it in wc3. but not because its so ultra OMFG hard

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 there was nothing like that before

wtf who plays with zepelin xD

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe y just because someone never used it before doesnt mean its hard and so hard 2 pull off. thats all i said. and since he failed at macroing there its even less impressive.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 he doesnt needed macro there :D

in wc3 the mainthing is micro

when u lose all u cant produce new armys

u just lost...

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe in SC the main thing is macro. and they still fucking do the micro at the same time.

there was nothing for him 2 lose there and his unload load shit isnt that hard that he cant build 2 3 units in that time.

ur just dumb if u think that is hard.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 i played sc2

i watched a few streams

my neighbour is take a german wc3 pro who produce some cups where ppl fight each other at sc2

also grubby tod and some otehrs was here

...

the only micro tehy have is to move the stalkers with blink and the positioning from the units

they dont have to focus much and do move back somne units to heal or something like that

units are expensiv u have 10 producing buidlings and at the end u have a huge income and the main part is macro...

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe and again i dont talk about that shitgame SC2 i talk about BW.

and yes it has different micro doesnt change the fact its micro. and i dunno why we even talk about it.

he can easily build some units while doing it. FACT. the dropping in and out not that hard as u thin it is FACT. u think its super OMFG awesome cause he is the first one 2 do it in Wc3. FACT.

[BustaDeluxe]

@era1337 yes it was good to watch years ago xD

[BustaDeluxe]

Auf dieses Video antworten...  and he cant build units anymore cause he plays sc2^^

[era1337]

@BustaDeluxe he is playing wc3 right now but k.

[BustaDeluxe]

@BustaDeluxe sc2^^

[Ultranez]

where to find the whole game with commentators???!?!?!?4

[melsody]

inzane. Wonder how the crowd was :D

[MultiHeyo]

sc2 master micro watch?v=yGJP0BgvUPA

[GaaraFlavio]

OMG!! miss

[westangle]

imba

[dagoncrowgg]

IF someone did this to me I would forfeit.

[LordoftheAshaman]

Guys, guys, SC and WC are both great franchises. Stop the fighting.

[simple1zerg]

@Arekai1404

>maek moar unitz

And die to reaver shuttle micro.

Or muta/scourge micro.

[bollwerk69]

0:12 one archer died... noob!

[SuperFlyinhigh]

moon playing sc2 hahahahhahahahahahahahhahahaha­hahahahahahahah sorry wc3 fanboys

[xSabriox]

Wow!

[Arekai1404]

Warcraft is about micro and macro

SC is about hurr durr need more unitzz

stop comparing that shit game to warcraft.

[hashemborno]

srsly .. one of the best moves i've ever seen

[Oreoclan]

Fyi, 300-500 SC:BW APM is approx 250-300 APM in SC2. It's just my estimate, but BoxeR's SC2 APM is 100-150, NaDa's is roughly 265. Moon also hovers around the 100-150 area for SC2 I think. I'm pretty damn sure he doesn't break 200. His instantaneous APM could probably break 300 easy, especially with micro like this, but his real (final) APM won't come close. NaDa breaks 400 in a battle, but his real APM is around 265. BoxeR is probably around 300 in battle too.

[Oreoclan]

Game Priorities:

WC3 - Unit management, hero management, out-leveling your opponent, creeping, and item-jacking.

SC2 - Economy management, production management, out-expanding (out-macroing) your opponent, and harassing/destroying your opponent's economy.

On the APM topic, SC2, SC:BW, and WC3 all count APM differently. APM doesn't go as high as 500. Instantaneous APM CAN go as high as 1600+, even in SC2. Moon said himself he's not as fast as SC:BW players, who have 300-500 APM (SC:BW count).

[levicste]

which match is this?

[asdcvbert]

me playing:

Starting game: Allright i will pwn with this strategy

After 5 mins: Ok let's attack him *crypt friends using web on zepp*

Me: OMFG *&$%@ *vanishes*

[HolyAwe10]

zomfg xD Moon is n1 :D

[valeriy1987]

wow...

[acheron55]

this is the sickest thing ever

[wanttf]

11 people got pwnd by moon hardly

[waspdx]

MOON IS GOD

[Xxdom4073xX]

@Mojoheart Yes you can ^_^. You can save units with proper micro in sc2 as well. It's all about proper micro.

[0wnz1111]

if u think people in warcraft dont micro that much and is easy. try it, seriously a lot harder then it looks, also, ppl like sky and moon average 350 apm per game..

[nwvkxc]

this video was like my double rainbow. i'm just looking at my screen saying "what does this mean?" I then began laughing then crying at the beauty

[Dentister]

.. wow

[DoOMSPiRiT24]

11 person definitely have NO IDEA about the word "Micro" ....

and mooon....way to go bud ,, outstanding Job =)

[himpllx]

whats goin on here?

i dont understand

can someone explain the video

[drrednek]

@himpllx

The zeppelin (flying thing) has an ability to load and carry archers inside itself.

The Archmage (dude on a horse shooting fireballs) and his army could kill any of those archers with one shot - winning the battle easily.

But Moon (the player owning the zeppelin) is always able to load his wounded archers into the zeppellin, just a moment before fireballs hits them. After fireballs hits the ground harmlesly, Moon unloads his archer while the Archmage reloads - winning a lost battle.

[ThriceDog]

if that happened to me I would have picked up my keyboard and snapped it in half tbh

[jackisg4y]

I really hate it when people say WC3 isn't imba though, like you can actually be dumb enough to think something could be "perfectly" balanced?

Some more balancing should be done to the game when you see something that is rather hard to beat even when you use the counters against it. For example a level 5 DH without potions can be killed by a lvl 5 BM in approximately 10 seconds, and it just so happens that Potion of Lesser Invulnerability is cheap and can easily protect the BM for 7 seconds..

[warilban]

@jackisg4y

1) bm won't be focusing DH

2) bm dies, its over

3) mass dotts vs cookie cutter orcs is as 50:50 as it gets

[FrankfurtMilad439]

@jackisg4y The Heroes arent meant for 1v1. Everyone has a role in a match.

[DivineAtheistWannabe]

It's almost impossible to balance wc3 I reckon which is why Blizz will give up on it and leave it as it is, unlike SC which was much easier.

There are so many heroes to choose from including tavern heroes with different spells on each although imbalance has caused people to choose some more than others.

Some items are better for some heroes/races than on others.

The existence of creeping/exp (and therefore creepjacking aswell) gives different choice to just attacking enemy.

[DivineAtheistWannabe]

Creep camp difficultly also influences the ease of expanding in WC3 which isn't as big a problem in SC.

There are goblin shops with items.

There are also the existence of goblin labs and mercenary camps which are very important to HU/NE in certain situations.

The creep camp difficulty of those protecting these places and it's accessibility are also influencing factors.

Then sometimes you have mana/health springs.

These factors make balanced maps very hard to make.

Oh and wc3 has 4 races.

[Alexon88]

@DivineAtheistWannabe

its not impossible - but there is a big variety.

[AndreBoy316]

i would probably rage quit if somone did that to me lol

[boneboy767]

damn :( it wuda been nice if he killed the mage

[Vree0387]

This is the kind of crap that makes RTS games suck

[lolman180]

@Vree0387 this is why they are REAL TIME and STRAGETY.

[Nachtelf2723]

it makes it more exciting!

[McPotti]

To people comapring SC and WC3:

The games differ quite much, WC3 units have higher hp compared to damage than in SC, there are heroes, max unit cap is lower...

WC3 is more about using units and their abilities to maximum, while SC has more economy and army management (SC armies die way faster and need to be replaced again and again)

Both games have plenty of micromanagement, SC has more macromanagement. It's all about preference.

Also, very nice play from Moon, that was brilliant.

[ghysling]

@McPotti

+1

Both games are great, I'm just really shitty at the required type of micromanagement in WC3 XD I'll stay with SC for the moment :P

[93xBENJAMiiNx93]

@McPotti

It's a nice comment i totally agree :)

[bedmanz]

@McPotti fu stupid sc'er :D

[Bennetting]

@McPotti finally someone talking sense about Starcraft and Warcraft 3. - Coming from a former 300 ranked player on FT and also having recently switched to Starcraft.

[Fabuloussis]

awesome...

[zuligansvidious]

I cant belive this! O_O

Awsome!

[CrixalisSandKing58]

best warcraft action

[Zelda123Zelda123]

not that good if u compare it with starcraft players

[yoyoHomieyoyo]

@Zelda123Zelda123 your mum -.-

[13uRnIngIcE]

Awesome o0

[PeterCo78]

whats not rlly hard?  to micro with low hp archers ? and to block the archmage with the panda while u r using ur zeppelin and have an apm about 500 ?

[Ilookatu08]

@PeterCo78 500 apm ? lol

[PeterCo78]

@Ilookatu08 kk... u r right ...

WE.IGE.Sky : 278.54

MYM]Moon: 259.45 ... BUT THIS WASN'T the thing i want to say with my comment... i knew that they didn't have an apm of 500 or higher ... ^^

[Ilookatu08]

@PeterCo78 np

[ninjafoxinteractive]

@Ilookatu08

it's possible... JulyZerg from SC has 800APM...

that zeppelin Micro reminds me of SlayerS_BoxeR and Stork's shuttle-reaver micro

:D:D:D

[Ilookatu08]

@ninjafoxinteractive lol u have 0 knowledges about apm.

800 apm :D even 500 are impossible

800 means 13 actions per second constantly are you serious?

[Zelda123Zelda123]

@Ilookatu08 i've seen a game of starcraft where Boxer has 1000+ apm, so ofc you can get 800 apm, even i've got like 750 apm when spamming

[Ilookatu08]

@Zelda123Zelda123 i wanna see a vid of 750 apm. then i believe. 800 apm = 13 actions per Second. I cant imagine that somebody can do that.

[Zelda123Zelda123]

@Ilookatu08 search for a video called ''July Highest APM 818 ''

[Ilookatu08]

@Zelda123Zelda123 i just see numbers on a list. i wanna see a vid where i can see how they move there fingers on the keyboard

[Zelda123Zelda123]

@Ilookatu08 then watch the game where he got that apm, simple

[Ilookatu08]

@Zelda123Zelda123 i watched the game. i cant see the apm through a game. nobody can see that. show me a vid of there micro management. a first person vid or a vid of a keyboard view. For Example look : Zacard Keyboard View a person with like 250 apm now figure out how 800 looks like ? ( if even possible that i dont believe it is ) If u cant proove nothing i dont believe

[Zelda123Zelda123]

@Ilookatu08 just search for it yourself, i have no time to find a video for you, and even you should be able to get 800 apm with spam

[Ilookatu08]

@Zelda123Zelda123 :U

[jingu3]

@ninjafoxinteractive so much of that is spaming though. Pros constantly just scroll through hotkeys and switch through screens just to keep their fingers moving. Their EAPM is actually much much lower, though still fairly high (but not even in the 300s)

[Chinomareno]

@jingu3

Yeah they do that a lot in WC3, maybe to keep sharp, dunno.

I think that will also drop in SC2, the ancient interface and horrible building queues are gone, you can mass select without assigning so many squads, drones auto harvest, casters only fire an ability with the unit closest with sufficient energy. Still needs higher APM with the unit cap but I think the macro will hold fewer people back.

[noir2fb]

what the heck

[SlightOfHand28]

that was sick

[Fr33styLLeR]

LOL.. very nice

[campbpar]

godly play

[qq328887795]

moon doesn't win a champion this year!

[PhiLaEmJaY]

ever think he was trying to kill the mage while he blocked with panda?

[Elenai89]

You Cant compare SC to WC3 u idiot.... those two games are to different,in my opinion wc3 is alot better because there are heroes that can use items and have their own abilities,and it is harder to balance wc3 than sc cuz there is one more race and you must also balance the hearoe abilities too !

[x3azn4]

ur rite, sc is just way more fun due to the fact that units move at almost completely variable speed and wc most of the units are pretty much the same.

and by the way, since the games are different。。 how do u suppose wc is harder to balance? u think sc is balanced by adding 50 hp to some unit and make it all better? the only reasonable answer to why wc3 is harder to balance than sc is that there are 4 races instead of 3, which makes it difficult, other than that ur bullshiting.

[iceboyi]

hero's the way they collect resources, building costs, 4 races, maps sc is older... so they didint go so into depth therefor easier to ballance rather than wc3 alot more complex.... harder to balance hell i still hear it aint ballanced but i never heard that about sc not bein ballanced

[Thronsohn]

please dont insult people on the internet and also in general. thank you.

[dimitriuss]

on the pro level SC is harder

however for newbies and average ppl allike, WC3 will be harder

[iceboyi]

moon plays both so does grubby actually alot of wc3 pros also are in pro leagues of sc just dont play in the championships, both the games have the same level of dificulty you dont really have to micro in sc as much as u have to in wc3 macro is about the same...

[x3azn4]

boi thats a good way to put it.

u have to micro in sc as much as u have to macro is wc3.

i have to add to you, in sc tho, if u fuck up one part of the micro process, u might just be fucked. in wc its a little bit less one move crucial

[hijackoff]

I hear punctuation is pro.

[dust2kid]

moon is on the b-team of wemadefox and is the worse player, so don't go on saying about how good they are. To put things into perspective, a team consists of about 20 players, moon is the worst of them.

macro is way harder in sc

[effepeffe666]

aren't you talking about the fat moon now and not the wc3 moon

[dust2kid]

no, fat moon is better than wc3 moon in sc.

[topherno]

@effepeffe666 no way, he got fat??? picture please! lol

[ProoMas]

@dust2kid

he has 24.9% win rate against SC:BW B-Teamers, which is very impressive knowing he's a WC3 player.

[dust2kid]

I know it is, if you actually view all the comments, you'll see I'm replying to iceboyi who thinks that the skill level required in sc is equivalent of wc3, which it isn't, and that moon and grubby play sc, thus implying they are just as good as the best players of sc. I'm putting the skill level of moon into perspective here.

[Grubbyftw]

wow this guy is totally retarded!

[OMGWTFWHYNO]

LOL

[BlizShouter]

One of the best Micro plays I've seen in a while. For those who compare WC3 to SC, SC has a much larger macro game then WC3. WC3 was designed to be more micro intensive. 13 gathers is usually enough, upkeeps to force action. As much as I love WC3, I cant wait for SC2.

[Fiarzen]

lol whenever i see someone say SC i always think its supreme commander

[TubeyMr]

MOON 4EVER

[noolbee]

Insane Micro.. GOSU players!!.....

[DpakoH4uK]

This micro is really awesome, and SC hasnt such an advanced micro! Micro is more simple in SC. U dont control every unit in SC

[pcrsweetness]

are you retarded?

[Warcraftian93]

O.O that is the single leetest thing I've ever seen!

[namige]

this micro is basic in Starcraft ~_~ what's so awesome about it?

[pcrsweetness]

thank you

[Zelda123Zelda123]

@namige i dunno, maybe these newbies in w3 haven't seen real games like sc, sc requires more micro and macro so sc ftw

[isakdenende]

@Zelda123Zelda123 SC does require more macro. It does not however, require the same amount of micro as WC3.

[TheDwayneWade]

GOSU!!

[plamata]

ok, how's that even remotely possible...

[cbo1003]

very nice!

[gunzrunz]

crazy

[christ153]

dayum rofl

[GermanSniperBayArea]

gosu

[Arekai1404]

that wc3 sc comparing sucks -.- just shut up and try that too. u cant bring it for sure so dont talk shit like that.

[DjStagG]

Well, i'm probably better at mindgames than you are, and i can do blind shockwaves etc. and i'm able to last hit.

[aznboikyle]

that was fucking sick

[Kyon097]

HOLY SHIT...O.o

[YarpYarp69]

xD ftw was that ???? holy shit that was awsome and i bet his fingers fuckin broke after that xD

[CraPuLeDLF]

omfg!

[Riovanes0]

Wow, this is like ... such an ordinary play in Starcraft. I don't mean to hate on WC3, but if this is like a pimpest play, this game is fucking nothing at the competitive level.

[JATherapist911]

lmao omg wow, that was pretty slick. Never seen someone use a zeppelin that well... Nearly got the hero kill too :)

[TheQerD]

haha :D

[PTMdinadjud]

lol

[cbm1234567]

usually it means how you fare with unit production/economy

[HKRazieL]

Micro is unit control... Macro is included in some RPG games like a script or something... using a Macro has some effect under some or several conditions... or something like that if i am not mistaking