Corporate Socialism is not for the poor but for the RICH

[MAINEPREPPER]

Just remember, if you can't be part of the solution, there is a lot of money to be made prolonging the problem.

[fringeelements]

"No one is denied or should be denied anything."

Thank you for honestly coming out and saying it. For putting the madness on full display.

[TheEthanwashere]

There's a difference between marxism and maoism...

Most republicans who qoute adam smith never read him.

[TheEthanwashere]

Fiscal conservative got us into the mess...

[TheEthanwashere]

What a moron. Look at the actual debt charts by presidents neocons always make it substantialy higher.

[dan11009]

wow she was right

[james1014328]

countinued

12.obsession with crime and punishment.

13.rampant cronyism and corruption.

14.fraudulant elections.

mob mentality in its worse form

the tranny of the minority creates the herd mentality and leads to the tranny of the majority so its no suprise that the wealthy elite defends totalitairnism aganist democrocy

[james1014328]

here are the 14 sign's of fascism 1. powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. 2.disdain for human rights. 3.identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. 4.the supremacy of the military. 5.rampant sexism. 6.a controlled mass media. 7.obsession with national security. 8. orginized religion and ruling elite tied together. 9.corporate power is protected 10.labor power is suppressed or eliminated. 11.disdain for intellectuals and the arts.

[james1014328]

we should put are focus on manufacturing less producing less consuming less not more and more and more of course capitalism demands consumerism and growth im not anti capitalist don't even start but the same mechinism's apply to the state not just the privite sector both institutions have the same hierarcal structures its just a shift of power to one institution to another its time for a new paridim so take care everone

[james1014328]

so its finaince capital that will throw us in the 3rd world and leave us at the mercey of the market place and the wealthy elite enjoy all the goverment benifets and the fruits of are labor welcome to feudilism

[james1014328]

and one more thing to note

there has always been a battle for political influence between labor and capital

one side want's democrocy the other side does not

the last thing that the ruling class want's is an educated middle class

it whould be against there intrest for sure

finaince capital is the problem not productive capital the us went from production to consumption we traded in on a producing economy to a consumer based economy

[james1014328]

but with all the forced privitization efferts by the powers that be that balence will be disturebed it wll be more costly to the public you might as well pay your taxes to privite companys than the goverment its still spending the money but the job is done by the companys at a profit

ok im done rambling lol

[james1014328]

and im sick of all this red baiting about a marxist take over understand we already live in a system of redistrabuting wealth from the bottom to the top a transfer of wealth from the poor to the alreay rich i know the failures of communism yes but also the failures of capitalism (greed mostly) 90% of the economies of the world are mixed

[james1014328]

so in conclusion

working familys that are under attack on a daily bases they can't take time off much less offord to hire a lobbyist or a lawyer to get the sort of gains and privliges that are enjoyed corporate socalist leechs on the gambling system

socialist's know what socialism is and capitilst's pretend to know what it is

is there anyone in goverment with a brain?

[james1014328]

the two party system has sold us out to the highest bidder

[james1014328]

what makes these entitilments so deserving? when it comes to medicare/social security programms that help people there are people from all walks of life who's paycheck's from working. taxes taken out of those checks to pay for these programms and there called entitelments? its not pefect but the shit's not free. of course congress is most likley making efferts to cut such programms and yes obama is a shitty president

[james1014328]

the calvinist (fascist) moral majority can not even realize there own hypocrocy

they say goverment is the problem and then turn around and expaned it the nazi's had the same frame work into there party look it up big goverment is needed to protect corporate intrests

hedge funds need it

bankers need it

stock holders need it

stock brokers need it

socialist programms that enrich the already rich

[james1014328]

im not leftwing or rightwing im none of those things

you ""FREE"" MARKET types are just left with only an idealogical argument not the cold hard reality of the type of economic policies you advocate

there is no such thing as ''deregulation'' just old laws removed and new laws put in that favors the super rich at the expense of the many

[james1014328]

im sick and tired of the ceo's geting all the rewards and the worker'sing nothin and taxpayers paying for the risk's and geting nothing in return capitalism has been for a long time nobody gives a shit about the fact that it's even more diffucult for the littlie guy to compete against these big subsidized corperations so don't give me any bullshit about big goverment socailism cause these campany's whouldn't be anything with out it there is no such thing as a free market its just a myth

[james1014328]

i dont hate people who are rich

i just hate the anti human self serving bigited greedy philosphy/

the world is ran by diluted social darwinist's

there are corporations who have it to easy they dont have the same vaules of the average person they have acses to law makers that can give them tax breaks and at the same time get billion dollar checks from the tresury department (subsides) the real welfare queen waste tax burden. these corporate welfare programms that are pushed by congress

[TheConciseStatement]

Jesus, she just described the philosophy of David Cameron's cabinet!

[AmericanBadass44]

Anyone who thinks that poor people will see a dollar of the money the government takes from the rich is a moron.

And might I add...

Who is John Galt

[vlookup2]

To get something from nothing???.... wow this is the same crap we hear every day in Mexico from the assholes of the right wing: OF COURSE you can't get something from nothing, nobody says that.... the point is that we never get nothing from the same place the super rich seems to get everything: our taxes!!!.... seems that everybody has to make sacrifices but the super rich!!!.... seems that they never have to pay for the mess they created!!!

[FuckMeatStew]

Socialism? You have got to be kidding me. The guy is exactly right, if people werent so fucking retarded and didnt buy shit they couldnt afford the housing crisis would have never happened, and now americans who werent as stupid are stuck with the bill. This goes to show liberals have zero self-responsibility.

[stevan33ify]

@FuckMeatStew  very true and the banks are genius for giving loans they knew most could not afford its not like they dont look at someones credit history and what their salaries are they knew what was coming then they package all these bad loans and sell them to other firms making money then when the parties over they get a shitload of money from guess who the tax payers in most cases its a win win for them YAY capitalism!!

[FuckMeatStew]

@stevan33ify Wrong. It wasnt just the banks, it was also the moron who thought he could afford something he couldnt. If my credit score is shit and im behind on bills am i going to buy a house? People like that need to be shot. Yay socialism, lets all carry the burden of retarded crack babies and their parents, then we can all live in section 8 dumps:D. Meanwhile, all the politicians shower with wealth (all earned by everyone else)

[stevan33ify]

@FuckMeatStew people need to be shot huh well it seems that retarded crack babies can be produced pretty fucking quick better get alot of bullets or find a different country to live in save yourself screw everyone else

[FuckMeatStew]

@stevan33ify ya, shot. The banks hand were tied, and morons thought it would be fun to buy shit they couldnt afford. So now everyone is paying for their fuck ups. As for the crack babies, those types of people need to be neutered so the american taxpayer doesnt have to pay for other peoples kids they cannot afford. Why should i move for someone elses dumbass mistakes? Maybe we should cut welfare/social programs to those people to teach them a lesson about making babies.

[mutosheep]

@stevan33ify The DEMOCRAT politicians forced the banks to give said loans. That's not the free market system. That's SOCIALISM!

[datboyadam1]

ummm im pretty sure we survived just fine and had a great economy for hundreds of years without socialism you fucking idiots

[dylantheworm808]

@datboyadam1 uhm, who survived just fine? the white upper class? yeah definitely, and much beyond that. but, newsflash, the white upper class (now just the upper class I suppose) doesn't make up very much of this country.

[datboyadam1]

@dylantheworm88 all your liberal socialist ideas will never fucking work look at california and all the lunatic liberals driving it into the ground and then look at a state like texas that is mostly conservatives in the government the state of texas is doing just fine enough fucking said you liberal fucking scumbag

[stevan33ify]

@datboyadam1 fuck fuck fuck fuck liberal fuck fuck socialism fuck fuck ..... that must be texan for im a republican

[frvfilms]

william just absorbing knowlege, like a robot,

[toberses11]

'm not completely sure but is he preaching Keynism Economics, free market with state oversite and some nationalised institutions

[mutosheep]

Yeah, look how well socialism is working/has worked in the rest of the world. Can you say Pol Pot? How about HItler? Look at Greece. Then go fuck yourself. America was founded on capitalism and The Bible. If you don't like it, piss off.

[NewRevolutionLeader]

@mutosheep Capitalism and the bible are the complete opposite you fucking hillbilly. Read your verses before you open your hole and let shit come out of it. Capitalism teaches the richer you are the better the bible teaches the richer you are the more greed you have and the harder it is to make it into heaven. Show me one verse where it says in plain view that CAPITALISM is good for all mankind. If you can I'll send you 100 bucks. Also, go eat a fox news dick while Bill OLD Reily video tapes.

[mutosheep]

@NewRevolutionLeader I see that I wasn't plain enough in my language for somebody as simple as you so I will say it clearly: Me and every other combat veteran of the Gulf Wars will crush you and anyone else who rise up against this great Capitalist, Christian country. Also, FOX news is liberal-biased, and Bill O'Reilly is a pansy. Wealth and honor come from you (God); you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all. (1 Chr 29:12)

[NewRevolutionLeader]

I agree with everything the author says in his description of the video and socialism as a economic and overseas policy tool works it's proven. There should be a combination of socialism economics and democratic representation government. I do not know what you would call this new form of a system but it would work. Conservatives=brainwashed people who want to give their hard earned money to corporations and rich people who do not need it. Viva La Revolution in America.

[mutosheep]

@NewRevolutionLeader I am a counter terrorist and a counter revolutionary, and you probably eat doritos and smoke dope, you evil piece of shit hypocrite. I've got Chuck Norris, Ted Nugent, and thousands of battle-hardened, well trained killers on my side. Bring it on, pussy.

[NewRevolutionLeader]

@mutosheep What you are is fucking stupid and a stupid ass revolutionary then because all Chuck Norris is going to do is look good in a movie I know real Kung Fu dumbass. You talking about having killers over the internet how about I drop you off in my city and let's see how much of a killer you and your people are. I think what you need is your tampon tooken out it's time for a change.Capitalism feeds the richif you deny it you haven't been reading facts and brainwashed like dems and reps.

[stevan33ify]

@mutosheep jesus was a socialist

[FuckMeatStew]

@stevan33ify Lol jesus wasnt a socialist. Jesus said the wealthy should give their money out of the goodness of their hearts (charity), not to have government take wealth by force.

[mutosheep]

@NewRevolutionLeader Riches and greed are two different things, dumbass. Don't tell others to do something that you will not, you hypocrite, as I have read and will continue to read The Word. Chuck Norris is a karate master, but you insist on displaying your mental inferiority. I live in a city, not the hills you ignorant bigot. I will use your hundred dollars to pay for a night with your sister and mother. What I am is a counter revolutionary, stupid.

[NewRevolutionLeader]

@mutosheep Go fuck yourself calling me a bigot while you take up for bigots and I live in a city too you fucking idiot.I will spend my 100 dollars to pay for some schooling for you because you will need it.I bet you would suck a glen beck dick if you could wouldn't you. Forget my mother and sister (which I do not have one retard) I will just invite bill OLD reily and Glen Fat Beck over so you all can have a good night sucking each other off.Riches turn into greed thus is our economic system now.

[datboyadam1]

@NewRevolutionLeader- are you one of those socialist fucks who believes the government should do everything and we should all be in government housing with all the stupid fucking niggers?

[stevan33ify]

@datboyadam1 hating blacks will not make your penis bigger

[datboyadam1]

@stevan33ify- lol i have black friends that actually have jobs and they hate most black people because the ghetto pieces of shit that dont have jobs make the hard working ones look bad. socialism feed the lazy fucks capitilism feeds the hard workers in america. the fact that we are punishing people who work hard and become rich because of there hard work is fucking ridiculous you should all burn in hell :)

[PurushaDesa]

The best rebuttal to Andrew Sullivan's "You've Only Got Yourselves to Blame" argument, came from Jon Stewart when he pulled up CNBC and Jim Cramer, as emblematic of supposedly super-informed impartial experts within the financial bubble, encouraging ordinary members of the public to make terrible investments. It's one thing for the Average Joe to get silly running up a credit card. It's quite another when the media is in bed with corporations promoting stocks and loans that lose you your house.

[CamW91]

dumb fucking Liberals.

[amsterdam78]

@CamW91 Conservatives = Arrogant, Incompetent, Pricks.

[datboyadam1]

@amsterdam78- Liberals = Lazy pieces of shits without jobs thinking they are entitled to everything :)

[gettingchilli]

ur so dub how has history proved it if der has never been a real socialist state. dont even use china and soviet union because der not socialist does the public own the businesses noooooooooooo, is da public completley freee noooooooooooooooooooo, are banlks owned by the public nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, is the state much powerful dan the people yesssssssssssssssssssssss, dis is why ur dumb u need to read a book instead of watchin youtube videos taken from the currpt media peace out donut!

[andretheking86]

lol

[gettingchilli]

das i fort u av no arguement

[gettingchilli]

ur in da top 10 dumbest people on facebook, u fukin donut wen da public owns da banks means we own our money u can still have people working there its just dat wanker capitalists like yourself cannot steal and get bailout so he can share his money with his criminal frends and u missed out da point about corporations are americas government they own it u dumfuk, every party is owned by a cooporation dey will do wats best for der self interests long live anti-state socialism and anarchy.

[gettingchilli]

no it will not if da government keeps der hands off dat 2. wat are u talkin about the economy is honest they get bailed out weneva dey want and der worht billions where dey do not need da money to be bailed out der greedy bastards deyve been fukin da american ppl for years. da public shud own da banks not da state, the greedy fuks should be punished. and u obviously dnt no shut because americas government is owned by coorporations each party is owned by a cooperation dey fund hueva dey like more

[gettingchilli]

no way hes sum dumb biased dickhead that ahs no oppinions but takes up positions

[andretheking86]

LMAO, do you know anything about the economy, or how an economy works? she is talking out of her ass saying its some conspiracy that the economy went bad the past 2 years, and that it will only get worse if mccain got into office, thats bullshit.

you tell me how he is "dumb", "biased", a "dickhead", and has "no opinions"

she is just a closet socialist trying to blame everything on republicans (which a large part of it was their fault) just so she can get a few cheers from Maher's audience

[gettingchilli]

yes i do easy jus look at how our democracy works through facts a few conformist intellectuals control public oppinion. i am not blaming republicans or liberals sepertatley because there both the same one believes in state socialism and the other in state capitalism which comes dwn to the same fing. if da economy was honest da public wud own da banks. u no nothing about ur country. and we are told scialism is bad when anti-state socialism is true democracy.(the soviet union wasnt socialist)

[gettingchilli]

andrew sullivan is dumb the conservatives love callin it leftists look ders a different between socialism for the people the worker and wen it s for the few rich thats socialism for the rich = corporate capitalism

[gikers1979]

I hate corporate America and its exploitation of its workers. Feed the mouse just enough to keep him fed, but never too much to make him fat. Delicate as it sounds there has to be some way to equalize the wealth between the wealthy and the WORKING class, not the lazy people!

[SadisticMonkey336]

yeah I agree let's combat government corruption by expanding the government and giving them more power!

[MatiasDiNapoli]

Rich are scum and greedy. But that's old news isn't it?

[somersetdc]

Andrew Sullivan is a rude blowhard...he needs to let Naomi Klein speak. She is more intelligent, accomplished and thoughtful than he could ever hope to be. Sullivan wants to blame "Americans living above their means." Well, we have been forced to live above our means and feed the credit/banking machine because of erroding wages, government privatization policies, union busting, etc. Money flows up hill at unprecedented rates thanks to Friedman's policies and legacy. New socialism is for the rich

[vinnykster]

that woman obviously never heard of the CRA lol which forced loans on people who could not afford them. She also never heard of the Fed Reserve which is the heart of all this mess!

[redcommand85]

thank you!! if we actually had a free market system we wouldn't have a secretive bank manipulating our currency.

[mthomas1776]

Adam Smith starts from the principle of lassiez faire -- then he suggests that this order can be corrected. Jacob Viner, the great Smith Scholar called this Smith's theory of "defects in the natural order" -- that simultaneously points to Smith's belief in the natural order and his determination to regulate it in a moderate degree.

[R3DF4C710N]

Apparently Andrew Sullivan never read Adam Smith, because Adam Smith did not advocate for laissez-faire, or the notion that markets create value.

[amsterdam78]

you don't know what your talking about.

[contaminatingurwrld]

andrew sullivan is right

[Obrien2512]

In my view a crisis like this just doesn't happen due to one factor. In fact there were a number of fators involved. The three big factors included the government for faling to regulate the banks and investigating claims of fraud. The next one is wall street for going wild and wanting to exploit people to get rich and the people for being either naive or stupid thinking that they can get huge amounts of loans thinking they can pay it back when in reality they can't. To me its a combination.

[bluesborn]

The argument should be over at this stage,given Allan Greenspan's now infamous admission that an unfettered, greed driven "free market" is largely to blame for the recent meltdown on Wall Street.

[Sandolainen]

Both of them have some stupid arguments, but what I really love about this clip is how Maher ends the debate :D

[LaharlD2]

To sand their is a difference between a worthless arguement and a worthwhile arguement.

[vdubs4life1964]

the government needs to let go of everything. Let the states make the rules.. Then you can pick which state best fits your lifestyle. sounds good.. i dunno.

[Tleilaxu0]

Wouldn't the South then turn into a bunch of oppressive theocracies?

[davisthc4]

the bald guy is right, fuck socialist nazis

[davisthc4]

im just counting the seconds until the neocons start their goose-stepping

[NwZ2]

that's a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it??

[KonstantineTheGreat1]

She is sooooo right.

[nri1969]

Free market IS an ideology. It's total pie-in-the-sky hokum, self-aggrandizing pap for the Babbits. It stands up to empirical analysis about as well as astrology, and Sullivan is monumentally full of shit.

[vesperholly]

Sullivan isn't even bullying her on the correct point. Klein isn't in favor of socializing/nationalizing programs like Medicare - her position is exactly the opposite: that these crises are used by the government to force privitization of programs, aka NOT government run/socialist. Too bad for her that she couldn't articulate that.

[chaoszieg]

France has the best health care in the world, and we should steal it

[LaharlD2]

to chaos I thought Canada and Austrailia did at some point

[chaoszieg]

canada and Australia are 12 and 24 I think. whatver the scale they're about 3 times higher up the list then america

[nuclearnight]

"No one forced them to take out those loans...."

Andrew Sullivan is the worst.

Naomi Klein unfortunately doesn't propose any solutions either.

[70road]

No one forced them to approve those loans.

[davisthc4]

so both sides are to blame them, duh!

banks want to get rich, we want free money!

all parties involved re to blame

[jamvideo99]

Most people don't make enough money these days to properly support a family AND purchase a house that they can reasonably afford. The richest 1% of this country own 90% of it's wealth. A change is needed badly. If that change is socialism, then so be it.

[nuclearnight]

I believe that the only way to solve these problems is through socialism.

[myroncope]

and what Sullivan said about Chomsky proves, once again, Sullivan has never read a single sentence Chomsky has written. Chomsky is far from someone who favors central government power. Last time Sullivan accused Chomsky of supporting Soviet Russia, when in fact Chomsky's books along with his entire field of linguistic was banned by the Soviets.

[bluesborn]

If I'm not mistaken,isn't Chomsky an Anarchist?

[myroncope]

I think he wants said he is drawn to the ideas of the form of anarchism known as libertarian socialism - meaning people organize themselves in a directly democratic fashion without a central governing body. But he's always quick to point out that these are concepts, and you can't realistically go from here to there at the drop of a hat, and in the meantime have to work toward limiting the power of unjust hierarchies to oppress people.

[CommonAsGrass]

Yes, but it was a good line to use, nonetheless.

[myroncope]

Andrew Sullivan is a fucking hack. Don't even try asshole. Look at him humiliate himself sitting next to someone who thinks rather than promotes themselves.

[elcaballodecaligula]

It would be excellent for americans the privatization of social security and education, so that they could suffer what Latin Americans had in the last 30 years.

[MostlyPoliticalStuff]

Before for you open your mouth again, please, send me facts, actual FACTS on how the republican patry is a bunch of Socialists.

[coachtabales]

Andrew Sullivan has reached the point where he really is starting to believe his own bullshit. Just because you say something louder, doesn't make it true. I usually agree with him, but he has become rude and unwatchable. If he would listen more, and stop feeling like his word is law, maybe people would take him more seriously.

[MrCleanRunner2]

Never really liked him, but isn't he just upset? At least he's talking about the reality of the problem.

[johnPhilos]

That jerk wouldn't let her talk.

[baronmorris]

Noam Chomsky would kick Ron Paul's ass up and down the street, anytime.

[smartyjones2004]

How much is Noam Chomsky receiving in monetary funds?

[baronmorris]

your point?  seems impertinent.

[baronmorris]

fascist AND socialist.  ring a bell?