Re: Freedom's Watch - Veteran

[OperationTailGunner]

Freedoms Watch was created by the Republican Jewish Coalition in a meeting in Florida.

GW Bush key finance man, Melvin Sembler, is a founder and financier of both the RJC and Freedoms Watch.

Sembler took GW Bush on a guided tour of Israel before the 2000 election. That must have been the "Godfather Tour" It must have worked, because we invaded Iraq shortly after the election...

[DJFG85]

Freedom's Watch was initiated by the creep Sheldon Adelson, the biggest zionist scum. Remember friends: International Zionism and her allies are the greatest threat to America's national security.

[vanderlotim]

Seems like freedomwatch wants to THANK OUR BRAVE TROOPS,....why don't you want to also???

[Yukkione]

I thank the troops with deeds, not by trying to keep them in a war who's only purpose is to make money for war profiteers, and Zionists. I thank them personally, not by making a fake grass roots organization that preys on hokey sentiment.

[Yukkione]

Today, monday Sep 10 the BBC and ABC released the results of a poll conducted of the Iraqi people. It plainly shows that even between 2005 and 2007 the situation has gotten worse, not better for them. So, with that in mind how can anyone say "stay the course"? Google:Iraqi poll march 2007

[Street5pirit]

hey, kick ass vid.

urgh, these warhawks just refuse to see reason - it makes me sick.

but enough whining.

Join me and a million others who, like the VAST MAJORITY of America who are marching in DC September 15th.

Sept15(dot)org

Until then, call YOUR rep and tell them to back HR333; Cheney's Articles of IMPEACHMENT.

[bolajon]

Severely unpopular war? Most Americans support the war in Iraq. The issue is no longer why we should be there, or how we got there, but how to leave and get out with victory.

The only way is to stabilize Iraq so that Iraqis can take care of themselves. Right now, they can't. So we have to stay and win this war for them and all the soldiers who died.

[Yukkione]

And why cant they? because the administration is inept. Most Americans are against this war. every poll show this. Also the more educated and more knowledgable people are the more they oppose it.

[bolajon]

Not necessarily true, there are many intellectuals that support the war in Iraq. Iraqis are helpless in general, has nothing to do with the administration. I am for gradual withdrawal once certain benchmarks are met. There's a progress since the surge and you can't deny. If they only had more troops in the beginning of the war, some of that sectarian violence probably wouldn't have occurred.

[bolajon]

Rumsfield was the one who was inept and he made a lot mistakes, instead of letting generals run the war from the beginning. General Petraeus was my commander when I went to Iraq. Rumsfield disrespected him and other generals by being an arrogant prick. Shensiki was right all along.

[Yukkione]

I have alot of confidence in Gen. Petraeus. However even the moste talented people cant fix all situations. Rumsfeld was arrogant and so many are suffering as a result.

[bolajon]

More educated? Not exactly true. You need to go to the history section of your library. The less educated the more likely you are to believe some Marxist fanatic without doing any research yourself.

[Yukkione]

marxist fanatic?! Please do tell us about your extensive education in history.Students of history, military history especially, must recognize our position in Iraq today, and realize it is an exact replica of the French occupations of Vietnam and Algeria, as well as our own occupation of Vietnam. Anyone who doesn't at this point is choosing faith over reason, and in time, will find themselves on the wrong side of history. Perhaps even then, arguing against something as certain as gravity.

[bolajon]

Because some of those who are against the war really are Anti-American which usually means Anti-USA which REALLY means Anti-Capitalism. What exactly is your "different vision" of America? That is what you never directly say. You just attack back without telling what YOUR vision of America is? Is war EVER justified? Or is it only justified against Stalin and the CSA? TEll me directly why I am wrong? Why is it if I am for the war then I am automatically ignorant and stupid or a Nazi?

[bolajon]

Excuse me I meant Hitler and the CSA. The USA did not fight against Stalin, but with him.

[Yukkione]

you may live in a facists state if: Powerful idea of nationalism. Powerful executive control in government. Lower human rights outlook. Military reigns supreme. Corporations wield great power. Idea that National Security is at great risk to some threat. Identifying of enemies/scapegoats that unifies citizens in Patriotism. Mass media controlled by State and Corporations. Fixed elections. Rampant corruption. Unlimited power held by police force

[Yukkione]

Anti capitalistic as is in representitve of our policy of using the resources of other coutries without paying the people of that country their fair share. Enough of free trade and suplant that idea with fair trade. Right now we're pressuring Iraq to privitise their oil. If cheney's meetings with oil companies ever became public we would probaly see that was the plan all along. Why did they secure the oil fields and not the weapons depots?

[shiningknight03]

Great job Freedom Watch ---$50 donation for each of the bs comments from the commies who can't believe that the silence has ended!

[Yukkione]

typical...name calling and exclamation marks. That about sums up the pro-war crowd. Why dont you make a video saying why you support this group and the people who fund it.

[ladalang]

Shame is all they have. This Propaganda is total bullshit, nice work!

[bolajon]

If it was not for propaganda, the US would have never won WWII. I have listened to bad propaganda from the Anti-American crowd long enough, it is time to hear some good propaganda.

[Yukkione]

Stop saying Anti American! Damn, just because people have a different vision of what this country should stand for doesnt make it un-American. Besides the term American represents people of the Americas...north, south and central.

[cammcharg]

Nice work!!

[NZVideoGuy]

The following link is a 60 Minutes item going into great detail about how an invasion of Iraq was planned by Bush at least 8 Months before 9/11. Replace the dots with a . undergroundclips dot com/video/ONeil_on_60min_320 dot mov

[Yukkione]

Saw that some time back. One of the first real looks into the Bush Whitehouse.

[thewarden70]

AMEN

[OcularSinister]

Ari Fleischer IS in charge PAID 15 MILLION So Far By Bush Whitehouse to popularize a severely unpopular war! They Realize video's like 9/11 Mysteries & Loose Change are having a percievable affect on public opinion and are trying (unsucessfuly) to use the same methods to re-take the High Ground! They don't realize they just shot themselves in the foot! This Obvious attempt to appeal to emotion rather than common sense is Tissue-thin, easily identifiable as pure Propaganda!

[ruonetoo]

The War on Terror will suffer a major defeat if Iran annexes, occupies or controls Iraq. We are there to help create a moderate government to keep Iran in check. When America understands that then we will deny the enemy the leverage to influence our politics.

[Yukkione]

So thats what you have been told. however you cannot have a war on a tactic. Terrorism is a tactic. Always has to be an enemy doesnt there? So as reasons for all this morph and change you obediently follow. Good sheep

[bolajon]

Terrorism is not a tactic. It is a political and idealogical movement by radical islamists in this case that needs to be defeated. We are fighting against ideology in Iraq.

[Thermate]

These ads are the lowest form of psychopathy yet displayed. Here's their sponsors:- * Mel Sembler * Anthony Gioia  * Kevin Moley * Howard Leach * Dr. John Templeton, Jr. * Edward Snider * Sheldon Adelson * Gary Erlbaum * Richard J. Fox

It should be noted that in November 2005 it was reported that Sembler and Leach both donated to the legal defense fund of I. Lewis Scooter Libby

[bolajon]

So?

This is a good opposition against Mainstream media propaganda and antiwar movement.

[Yukkione]

More about this bogus group here:

antiwarDOTcom/justin/?articlei­d=11498

[JoeTheDudeRanch]

Does etippings have any opinions which aren't copy/pastes of Bill O'Reilly talking points? What a sad little robot. Perhaps he should be in Iraq fighting for corporate profits.

[etippings]

Yes and if you read anything but the Daily KOS you might have an original thought. I don't watch FOX don't have cable TV but I guess anyone that has a position opposet of yours is wrong and should be run out of town..

Embrace Diversity my friend....

[tbeezy1]

LOL He says he dosent watch fox but he talks the same shit bill O'Reilly says about the Daily KOS

[Yukkione]

Curious how etippings created an account just to flame videos that respond to Freedom's Watch. (oh, we werent supposed to notice that)Either to cowardly to do it from his own account or... Ari? Is that you?

[etippings]

Ah you figured that out all by yourself did you. No my name is...

Stay Tuned

[Yukkione]

Come on now, I never attack you personaly, just your choices. Who knows Ari, I just might be helen Thomas.. on acid.

[etippings]

I know Helen Thomas. Helen Thomas is a friend, when she was alive.

YOUR NO HELEN THOMAS.

[JoeTheDudeRanch]

You mean "YOU'RE" no Helen Thomas, right? Republikans is smarts!

[etippings]

Oh and before you take the sanctimonious tone of questioning where this group got their funding why not ask MoveOn, Center for American Progress and America Coming Together to disclose the millions and millions that they have gotten from people like Soros.

But I am guessing by the graphics you used in this sad attempt at a video that you think the Bush administration is funneling tax dollars to this group.

[Yukkione]

Oh you didnt like my tone? I dont care. Hows that? As for MoveOn and the other groups, they are quite open where their money comes from. Also, as you may care to know most of it comes from small donations from ordinary citizens. Soros doesnt fund the entire "liberal agenda".

[etippings]

Open...not onlt did you drink the koolAid you are mixing it.

They are not open since all their ads are run through a 527 arm of the organization. And I am guessing Soros's hundereds of millions to the whacky left wasn't the impetus that got them moving. I am sure your $10 bucks has funded a lot of ads in markets that cost upwards of $2,000 a spot. Get real...

[Yukkione]

Instead of looking criticaly at an ad that Joseph Goebbels would be proud of you distract by attacking liberal groups. Assuming that I and all others who are against this propaganda are liberals. Are we not to question the motivations here, or who is behind the ad? Should we just drink the Kool Aid?

[etippings]

I did look at the ads and they seem to be from people who have a viewpoint you don't like and you want to silence them.

The ad that is sick is the one that shows soldiers in Iraq driving in a armored troop carrier and hitting a IED. And your use of the picture of the boy with his leg blown off is disgusting. I am sure you don't care what i or others who disagree with you think but you do have to listen to it.

[Yukkione]

Where did I say i was against their viewpoints? tell me. Why were 9/11 images in the videos? Why couldnt these people just make their own vids? Why does a former Bush aid and Press secretary need to head up and speak for this group? What kind of sponsors would possibly want to stay in Iraq? Answer: Ones that profit from it.

[etippings]

You do agree with that right. By the way, nice picture of VP Cheney over the towers. I guess you're still trying to tie a Bush/Cheney conspiracy to the attacks...please!

You then make the asinine comment that this group should be ashamed for giving the woman who lost her son in Iraq a forum for speaking her viewpoint. I assume you are against Cindy "I'm ready For My Close-up" Sheehan using her soap box to protest the war.

[Yukkione]

No conspiracy but nice try. However Cheney has been at the forefront of trying to connect Iraq with 9/11 in the minds of people. The pictures were really just there so the sound track could play.

[etippings]

I truly hope you are not this stupid but just having a bad acid flash back.

First, there is no tie in to 9/11 as the reason to invading Iraq. Those are your words. regardless of why we went there we are no fighting Al-Qaeda. You know the people who did fly the planes into the towers.

[Yukkione]

Nice personal attack. I see they teach you great debate skills at Neocon Central. Read the Downing street memos, read the independant 9/11 report, read the latest reports done by the government itself. How messed up do you think things there should be before people are held resposible?

[jamestownassociates]

Noticed what? That veterans and Gold Star families have opinions? How dare you say that they have no right to speak! They have every right, and even more a right than you because they have given. Where has the money come from? Check the FEC next reporting period. Its amazing to me how you liberals who claim to be for freedom of speech are so quick to try and Silence others with opinions... You are disgusting!

[Yukkione]

First of all these people were recruited to make these testimonies and their words were written by writers. Had they just made a video on their own I would have no problem at all. But they were not. Just look at who is behind the group. Sorry that their choice to spread their crap on YouTube backfired.

[silentmajority1000]

Actually you're wrong, I grew up with one of the vets in those ads, Andrew Robinson, and his words were taken from an interview, not written by writer. Recruited? Wrong again he volunteered just like he volunteered for the Marine Corps., just like he volunteered for the second tour in Iraq. Made a video on his own, he is in a wheel chair, working hard to regain as much of the use of his body as possible, in case you hadn't realize that is consuming. Why can't he have professionals film him?

[silentmajority1000]

? The content whether he films it himself or not is the same, HIS WORDS. How did this backfire? Because people like you who don't understand the concept of free speech. Don't understand that there can be people who have been to Iraq and think we are winning, and want to stay. These ads are a great example of free speech and rather than backfiring, they are changing the debate.

[silentmajority1000]

The content whether he films it himself or not is the same, HIS WORDS. How did this backfire? Because people like you who don't understand the concept of free speech. Don't understand that there can be people who have been to Iraq and think we are winning, and want to stay. These ads are a great example of free speech and rather than backfiring, they are changing the debate.

[debmmjax]

I'm gonna have to call you on that one. I know one of the people those videos. She most definitely was not "recruited". Where do you get your information? YOU'RE WRONG. I also love how you say if they MADE THEIR OWN video then you would be OK with it all. LOL. LIAR.

[Yukkione]

why didnt your friend Andrew Robinson just make his own video? How did he find this brand new group? Or did they find him? I doubt if you really know. I am not against free speech. I am against special interests groups disguising there propoganda as speech. I also served in the military so I know very well how soldiers are.

[debmmjax]

Too bad you have no idea how Marines are.

[noizhead]

Great video. I'm 100% positive that WE taxpayers are footing the bill for this propaganda campaign. Goebels would be proud.

[debmmjax]

I guess that makes you 100% wrong. Probably not a new feeling for you though, huh?

[deadcultmayhem]

That is pretty fucked up.  Good thing you noticed that.