Protesting the Israeli Siege of Gaza (2 of 4)

[haemakhan]

there are still people of conscience

[MSH786]

I really like the first speaker - Rev. Graylan S. Hagler...he came to speak at an interfaith seminar in my mosque

[IceSurfbumb]

I was Not Created by your delusion.

This is a Fucking GOD WAR!!!!

Hamas said No to peace no one in the world wants WAR . may by some god Fools

Quit your bull shit Bitch!

[healey11]

Hamas is the only one to blame for this entire mess.  Wasn't there a 6 month ceasefire until Hamas started shooting rockets without the ability to protect their own people. They attacked knowing full well that the Israeli army would respond and they were not prepared to protect their own people. They are killing their own people.

[MSH786]

NO, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG!

[healey11]

Hey MSH - thanks for a civil response, its refreshing. My feeling is that Israel has the right to defend itself and that Palestinians have the right to oppose that but not by terrorist means. I know you know that Israel is never going to go away so the Palestinians better find some way to negotiate with them. There should be some way for them to co-exist.

[MSH786]

Israel is the one that's using apatheid and terrorist methods...they're the ones who violated their 6 month truce with Hamas by setting up blockades and refusing to take them away in Gaza! Also, Israeli forces fired on a Palestinian civilian fishing boat on international waters and then rammed it so that the passengers had to seek refuge in Lebanon! So, if you don't think that Israel is in the wrong for doing that and then attacking Gaza on a massive scale, then you are wrong as well!

[MSH786]

But I don't really blame you as our American media is so corrupted and one-sided in the whole Israel-Palestine conflict! The fact of the matter is that Zionist Israel is a terrorist apartheid state!

[healey11]

You see, I think the American press and certainly the British BBC bend over backward to favor the Palestinian point of view. We never see dead or wounded Israelis from rocket attacks, only wounded or dead Palestinians.  We'll have to disagree on that one. As far as blockades - why are the Israelis doing that? To keep rockets out of Hamas hands?

[MSH786]

No, Israel is setting up inhumane blockades against the people of Gaza so that the innocent civilians cannot receive basic human needs and rights such as food, clean drinking water, electricity, first-aid etc.!

[MSH786]

And I'm talking about the mainstream American media that is controlled by the government, which do not even show the American casualties of war and ongoing occupation of Iraq, let alone the full everyday atrocities of what's going on in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories of the Gaza Strip and West Bank!

[healey11]

The American press counts American dead better than anyone in the world. They are faster to report so called atrocities faster than anyone in the world. We recognize the liberal and self hating media for what it is. A tool of the weak willed liberal establishment. Don't doubt the resolve of the average American to get to the truth and we know the truth. You do not.

[MSH786]

Just watch this on YouTube:

/watch?v=yIicET1SFc4

[MSH786]

And this:

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[MSH786]

And lastly, these on Yahoo:

UN chief shocked at Gaza destruction:

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UN chief visits bombed UN centre in Gaza:

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[bodidnt]

The Hamas are PR experts. Their strategy was to draw Israeli fire onto these locations in order to cause public outrage against Israel. Hamas sacrificed their own people. They were the ones responsible for most of the civilian deaths.

Besides, the UN is just as opposed to Israel as the Muslims are so of course they're going to give a bad report about Israel.

[hicham437]

yes, very true. The Jews were responsible for the Holocaust as well. That's what Hitler said.

[buz2you]

Do you really believe what Hitler said? If you do, I'll tell you that I have miles of beautiful waterfront property in Nevada you should see.

The Jews were no more responsible for the Holocaust than a woman is responsible for getting raped because she was a woman or than a murder victim is responsible because he was in the same vicinity as the murderer.

Would you tell your kid it's his fault for getting beaten up because he goes to the same school as the bully?

[hicham437]

Then we agree. The Palestinians had their land occupied and stolen under the excuse that someone's ancestors lived there 3000 years ago. Got it?

[buz2you]

No, I don't fall for the deception. The land of Yisrael is NOT the land of the Philistinians, the Arabs, the monkeys or the goats.

Yisrael, thousands of years ago, was forced from the land that YHWH (God) trusted to the promised seed of Abraham, Ya'acob. The land belongs to YHWH. He gives it to whom He wills. Until His people Yisrael, the heirs of the promises made to Abraham, take full control of the land, this world will see no peace.

[hicham437]

Got you. But by the same token, Allah gave that land to the Muslims, indeed, he promised them to inherit Earth. So what you are saying is: we can take lands based on Biblical or Koranic claims? If so, we have many scriptures claiming different things to different people. How about redrawing the globe the way if was 3000 years ago! or convincing the Spaniards to give up their lands to the Moroccans? they lived there for 800 years, or the British to the Romans? Justice, Morality, Truth

[buz2you]

OK. That brings the talk to where it should be.

Who is the True God?

YHWH, the El of Yisrael, has been and will be for eternity, the Only True God. If you need help believing this, read His Scriptures and stop listening to the lies of man.

The false god is Allah, who was created about 1500 years ago by some occultic conspirators as a front for the god of this world, Satan and who will very soon, with all his deceived followers be swept into the abyss, never to be heard from again. EMET-TRUTH.

[hicham437]

Maan, Allah is the Arabic word for God, Dieu, Yahwa, Thieus. you need to do your homework. Plus this an insult to Christian and Jewish Arabs. I speak Arabic and I met many Christians and Jews who use Allah instead of God as they don't speak English; Will you exclude them from the faith because they believe in Allah?

P.S: Get an Arabic Bible, It uses Allah as the father.

[buz2you]

If one believes in the God, Allah, Dieu, Yahwa, whatever you want to call him of the Mooselimb faith, then he believes in a false god. My point was that Islam is a recent invention compared to the faith of Yahshua and a very recent invention compared to the faith of Abraham. Obviously, it doesn't matter as much what you call your god as it matters what God you worship.

[hicham437]

How about Jesus? I mean where do you put the barrier? Right after Moses?Jesus? or before that. So what you are saying is that Buddhists are right when they say Yawya is a very new invention compared to Buddha. The true old tradition is what Buddha brought, lets all turn to Buddhism then. I am just following your logic. Or your logic only apply on you?

[buz2you]

Yahshua (Jesus) was a man, perfectly submitted to the will of the Father and empowered by the Spirit of the Father. He came to show the world who the Father is and what He wants from us. He came to show us the way out of religion back to the Fathers true ways, as they were taught by Moses. By the way, Moses didnt gives us a religion. The deception that came after him turned his writings into a religion. In the same way, a deception came after Yahshua and turned what he left us into a religion.

[buz2you]

Religions, all of them, whatever name someone wants to give them, they are false. They were given to us my our mortal enemy, haShatan, to pull us away from the Truth. The Truth (the will of the Father) is within reach of all who would submit to the will of the Father. Discover the will of the Father by reading the words of Moses and of Yahshua.

Being that Buddhism is a religion, I would never say it is right. Besides, the knowledge of YHWH preceded Buddhism by thousands of years.

[hicham437]

If you chose to be an atheist and denounce all religions as false scriptures I won't stop you. Freedom of faith. But Don't you believe cults don't last? they die out! religions are here for thousands of years, I am not saying they are all true, but there are some truth in them. Even what Yashwa and Jesus brought, people change most of it, the language is not spoken anymore, the original texts were lost, and still there is some word of god in them.

[buz2you]

Its possible to denounce all religions and still not be an atheist. YHWH and Yahshua, in whom I firmly believe, they oppose religion and so do I. Maybe I need to say it again. Religion does not equal the Truth, ever. The Truth has always existed outside of and independent of religion. MOSES AND YAHSHUA DID NOT BRING RELIGION. PERIOD.

Yes, there is some truth mixed in with religion. Thats always been how haShatan has worked, not YHWH. He hates mixtures of Truth and error.

[MSH786]

Maybe Hamas is partly to blame for the war, but it always takes 2 to start a war. I definitely blame and everyone else should blame the Israeli government even moreso! Just remember that Hamas was democratically elected so the Israeli gov't and American and British gov'ts need to respect that and recognize Hamas as the democratically-elected leaders in the Gaza Strip and work together with them to promote peaceful measures so that no more innocent lives will be brutally murdered!

[bodidnt]

Hamas won the election by force. They are brutal murderers and extortionists. They know no peace. According to their own words, they prefer death over life.

[MSH786]

Yes maybe, but you have to realize that Hamas was in fact created by the israeli government with the help of the American gov't to counter Yasser Arafat and the PLO!

[melchermaster]

get real they gave them some supplies and then blew them and the suplies up 300 deead kids dont have watter food electricity there homes r bulldozed familys murdered

o but thanks for the supplies israel and the bombs come on this is a abomination a tragedy i actually dont have the right words to describe what the israelies r doing sick horrible terrable sad awfull scarry mean evil cruel still dont describe the palistianians horror they face every day

[antronig]

Yes, very evil and cruel. The Palestinian people have suffered too much. The land was taken to create Isreal, the Palestinian homes were bulldozed, their movement controlled, their children and women killed and Palestinians are not allowed to fight back! Very evil and cruel!

[1AnonymousPatriot]

I know where you're getting to. Avi- You cannot toss money at a problem. Is Israel feeding these people because they care or because it gives them a sense of power or makes them look good. I reject Zion

[avi087]

April 14

Israel sent 123 trucks of humanitarian aid to Gaza:

54 trucks trough Sufa containing: medications, cleaning products, rice, sugar, meat, dairy products, washing powder, flour, salt, fruit, carrots, halva, starch, eggs, yeast, fish and cloth.

51 trucks through Karni containing: wheat, barley, soy, lentils and sesame.

18 trucks through Kerem Shalom containing: medications, electrical equipment, paper, diapers, toilet paper, oil, wood for greenhouses, pumps and drip irrigation system.