Wild Horses Escape a Roundup

[TheBLAZEbaby100]

I wish they would just leave the horses alone. But it's funny when the horse knocks the fat man on his buns

[knimig]

@TheBLAZEbaby100 If they leave the horses alone they will all die of starvation; there are too many horses and too little grass. For more information type YAKAMA HORSES DILEMMA in your browser.

[420Neva]

Best part of this video was when they escaped and the fat guy fell on his face at 1:25

[animalLuverify]

It's usually pretty hard to make me cry, but round ups.................. i was on teh verge of going into tears watching this.

[knimig]

@animalLuverify One of the many realities of life as a wild horse. Some get escape, some don't. Of those that don't some get adopted, some don't. Such is life. If none are removed eventually the land cannot support them and all suffer the consequences: prolonged starvation.

[animalLuverify]

@knimig Yeah i konw, but it still is really sad. But the horses mostly (IN MY OPINION) don't need to be rounded up. I agree with you that the land will run out of natural resoursces sooner or later, but when that does happen, it doesn't need to be so harsh

[knimig]

@animalLuverify The land HAS run out of resources. There are more than 12,000 now trying to stay alive on land that the experts say can sustain only 1500 horses without doing permanent damage to the land and the streams where the young salmon are hatched. Because salmon are a main food resource for the Yakama people damaged to their food and land is a serious problem. A very harsh and very expensive problem to the people. Which is more important the people, fish or inconvenience to the horses?

[knimig]

Agreed

[bustyn]

Ah yes, let us strive to maintain our ancient heritage, where we herd horses with the honorable helicopter and the majestic and fleet footed ATV, and communicate with the sacred two way radio.

[Kourtney055]

LOL LOL Fat boy goes DOWN!

[FreedomRunsFree]

How do you know no horses were harmed? This intense and fear ridden stampede is not a lifelong, physically harmful and terrorizing event?

Those babies.... how do you think they were able to restore their undeveloped bodies and little legs and hoofs from this terror inflicted chasing by an unrelenting, alien, air-born monster?

This would never happen in nature... not like this, not like this!

[knimig]

They did and they are.

[goth11223]

run wild horses! be free!

[Shazzy172]

@pinkapacheprincess lol didn't get to finish, stupid iPad but anyways he is a fat piece of shit, lmfao XD

[Shazzy172]

@pinkapacheprincess haha yeah I saw that, he got what he deserved that fat piece of

[knimig]

What do you have in mind? Let me know what clips you want and how you plan to use them .

[LilHollyIsDaBomb]

Hey , can I use some of these clips, and trying to make a youtube video about wild horse roundups , and I have like none , so yeah xD

[xcited4summer]

omg at 1:24 a guy totally kicks that horse!!! wtf man!??

[17mndrake]

Yes, horses are indeed sold to slaughter. The last slaughter house in the USA shut down in 2002 (2003?) but now many horses are shipped to Mexico and/or Canada to be slaughtered there. I don't like it at all, believe me!!! I'm a wild horse freak and I know almost everything to know about them that there is to know and I want them wild and free like they're supposed to be!! Thumbs up if You're with me here!!

[knimig]

@17mndrake Hopefully you are also compassionate; a person who would look out for the total environment in which wild horses live. Since you know everything you know that wild horses have no natural enemies to can keep populations under control. Without capture and removal, all populations increase at 25-30% per year. Starting at 10,000 (not uncommon for various reserves) this means the population will exceed 20,000 in just 4 years; 80,000 in 10 years. No land can stand that for long!

[420Neva]

@17mndrake they are talking about opening it up again within the next couple of months

:( i wish they could all be wild and free too

[HumaneObserver]

If these horses are not on BLM land then chances are they are being sold to kill buyers, who ship them overseas. "Sold to whomever" is questionable. Please tell me where I can go to learn more of these horses? There are no "plains" of Nevada! It's very rocky terrain, full of lava rock, I think the most mountainous state we have. Stark, difficult country. Amazing wild horses & burros thrive there. They are amazing because they are returned natives to N.America.

[HumaneObserver]

Do not assume I am against removing horses. I may be or may not be. What I am against is cruelty. These are easily frightened animals. When you make them insanely afraid, they are harder to control. BLM used 2 use a terrifying horn on the helicopters years ago. They stopped that. They realized it only added to the horses' fear, made them more unmanageable. Y won't you hear me? Stop terrorizing the horses if ur going to round them up. Be as kind as you can. Are they sold 2 slaughter?

[HumaneObserver]

And your 4 20-somethings ATVers and their noise are actually working against getting those horses. And rodeos, races, parades, and pastures next to freeways would spook these horses too. These are wild horses. You seem to only want to pick a fight with me. I am telling you a fact. You may not like it, but I have seen thousands of horses rounded up, and I'm telling you the way they're going about this is all wrong and ineffective. Are the horses sold to slaughter? Please answer.

[knimig]

@HumaneObserver I'm not trying to pick a fight. You seem to have the answers. Please contact the Yakama Indian Nation wildlife management section and give them the benefit of your considerable knowledge. These people revere their horses as sacred and probably have much deeper feeling for them than you do. Stop acting as if you have all the answers and no one else knows anything but you. These folks are dealing with a very serious problem. If you have a solution try helping not hindering.

[HumaneObserver]

I am serious as a heart attack. The pressure/release method backs the helicopter off when the horses are traveling in the direction you want. I docment rndups in Nevada, same conditions. No ATV. Just skilled pilot, wranglers on horses that are almost never used except to bring in foals who fall behind, which is a tragedy that should not happen either. I'm sure foals were lost, injurd or killed in your roundups. I'm saying u need diffrnt pilot, truly. This is bad. Are horses sold to slaughter?

[knimig]

@HumaneObserver . The plains of Nevada and the canyon of central WA are two different locations.

Being as you are an observer of roundups you know perfectly well that horses cannot be sold for slaughter in the US as there are no longer any slaughter houses in the country. Even local horsemen have to pay several hundred dollars to have Vets dispose of dead animals because there are no slaughter houses. No. These horses are mostly sold to whomever or given to sympathetic animal folks.

[sssomethingshady]

@knimig Nope. These wild horses are indeed sold to slaughter after round-up. Not in the US mind you, they're simply shipped to Canada or Mexico for the slaughter itself. Don't lie.

[knimig]

@sssomethingshady I do not lie. You have made the accusation now it is up to you to provide proof for what you say true. You provide me with proof -not your accusation- but real proof and I will check it out. It's easy jump on You Tube, make accusations without proof, and think you have accomplished something. I'm calling you to present your proof or retract your misleading statement.

[sssomethingshady]

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[HumaneObserver]

I just looked at the film again. This roundup is truly deplorable. The ATV... Can you not see how terrified the horses are? There is a way to use a helicopter that is not this destructive and terrorizing. What I am trying to tell you is even if everyone agreed the roundup was necessary, this is completely unacceptable AND counterproductive. It works against you. The pilot is clueless. He has no "feel," if you know what that is. Truly, knimig, please hear me. Not tryg 2 fight with you.

[knimig]

@HumaneObserver I realize that you are hopeless to communicate with because you can never accept the fact that hundreds of horses must be removed. There is no painless, noiseless, effortless way to do it. If you have a painless, noiseless way to remove 5,000 horses from 100 square miles of mountains, canyon, basalt rock cliffs please contact the Wildlife Management section of the Yakama Indian Nation immediately. They will give you a medal if you can provide a viable alternative.

[HumaneObserver]

Before I address your numbers issue, I want you to acknowledge my comment. Did u see what i wrote? I said"Leaving aside," i.e. ONLY talking about your manner of roundup, which is cruel & ineffective. The way the helicopter was used and the whooping warrior voices only serve to terrorize wild horses. I am not going to talk about the numbers until you 1) show some understanding of what I said 2) tell me what you plan to do, and what you have done in the past, with the horses you do round up.

[knimig]

@HumaneObserver You can't be very serious. Have you ever participated in a roundup in country so rough that jeeps and trucks are of no use. Only horses, ATVs (in very limited areas) and helicopters can be used. Only helicopters can move animals safely in the steep canyons. Terrified of noise? I submit to you that rodeos, horse races, city parades, and even most pastures next to freeways are far more noisy than 4 twenty-somethings riding ATVs more than 500+ yards behind the running horses.

[Maishley]

Oh I am sure those horses, young and old, loved being run across those rocks. But no horses were harmed right? RIGHT.

[knimig]

@Maishley Right on both points!

[HumaneObserver]

I just watched this video. I've seen over 4,000 horses rounded up; I document the BLM roundups. Leaving aside your numbers situation and addressing only the manner of this roundup, all the howling and "Indian calls" only serve to terrorize the horses. The high pressure of the helicopter employed no pressure and release. The horses were run hard, relentlessly. This is cruel and ineffective. People who think they know horses still tend to be heavy handed.

[knimig]

@HumaneObserver Answer me this. Many horses have to be removed or all starve to death in a slow and agonizing way and all the other animals that depend upon the grasses die with them. There is no way they can continue to reproduce at 25-30 % per year.

Which of the 3 options would you choose. 1) Do nothing-meaning certain death to all. 2) Chase and capture horses for removal causing a few a few hrs of inconvience but life, or 3) shoot them where they live to reduce the population numbers.

[TheMustangStories]

look at all the food on the range there is nothing wrong with the horses they dont need help by taking away from their homeland.

[knimig]

@TheMustangStories There is not enough food to feed the more than 12,000 horses that roam this area. The estimate is this land area can support about 1,500 without causing damage to the land and to other animals including the salmon in the streams. Remember, deer, bighorn sheep, rabbits, and several rodent species also live here and must share the grass.

[TheMustangStories]

look at all the food on the range there is nothing wrong with the horses they dont need help!

[ArabianImages]

I LOVED SEEING THE FAT UGLY GUY FALL AT 1;24!!!!!!! HA HA FAT ASS THATS WHAT YOU GET FOR MESSIN WITH THE MUSTANGS!!!

[knimig]

@ArabianImages For the same reason you abuse Arabian horses. The mistaken impression that you are the horse god that knows what's best for animals that are are better off when on there own.

[ArabianImages]

@knimig i have never laid a hand on any of my horses. I know perfectly well what i need to do with my horses. How can you know whats best for the animals when you dont care if they are hurt or dead because of cruel acts like roundups!

[knimig]

@ArabianImages Fact one-without the roundups to reduce the population many of 12,000+ animals would slowly and cruelly starve due to lack of food. They have already devoured most of the available plant material.

Fact two-what is possible to do with a few domestic horses in a nice level pasture is not possible with 12,000 horses scattered over area the size of Manhattan inacessable to anything but horses and helicopters. Please type Dilemma Yakama and read about the issue before you condemn it.

[ArabianImages]

NO HORSES WERE HURT IN THIS??!!!! BULL SHIT!!!!!!!!!!! did you not see the rocks they ran over?! Rock buses, probably cuts from running over the rocks and sage brush. The babies that were running! good lord they are pretty tough little things but all that running is a lot of running for some little guys! THOSE HORSES WERE NOT HURTING ANYONE!!!!!! DID YOU NOT SEE HOW CLOSE THE HELICOPTERS WERE!!!!!!! IF YOU EVER SAY THAT THE HORSES WERE NOT HURT THINK BEFORE YOU SAY SOMETHING STUPID!!!!!!!

[knimig]

@ArabianImages Hey Arab. You must be among the dumbest son-of-a bitches that ever lived. You scream about protecting horses without any concept of what horses are or what they are capable of. These horses, young and old, were born and raised int this rock-strewn county. This is their home-not yours. Babies, young and parents have hooves that allow them to run for hours in this terrain. The helicopter was herding them to a place where they can be captured, adopted and protected.

[ArabianImages]

@knimig I know what a horse is capable of! You must not see the aftermath of roundups like these! horses break their legs and have major leg damage! PROTECTED!!! I beg to differ unless you you think that being slaughtered is being protected you need to get a new definition! Very few horses find a adoptive home so they are thrown into the truck to be taken down to mexico or up to canada!

[knimig]

@ArabianImages Two issues: One- there has never been a horse hurt in one of these roundup. They are not your timid pasture horses. They have lived among the rocks for more than a century and know how and where to run. So save you pity for them. Two-There are no natural population controls for wild horses. They reproduce at the rate of 25% per year. They have increased from 2000 to 12,000 in a few short years. The land can sustain 1500. This means they will all stave soon. Any comments?

[ArabianImages]

@knimig there have never been horses hurt huh? horses being run over cliffs and prairie dog holes result in death and broken bones. and if the land can only sustain 1500 then why dont they give the land back to the horses. ranchers with over 1500 cattle should cough up some land! Instead of cutting down on horses how bout you cut down on cattle?

[knimig]

@ArabianImages You could help yourself a lot if you would learn what it is you are railing about. These are wild horses on a sanctuary owned by the Yakama Indian Nation who probably have far more reverence for horses than you but are caught in the ultimate moral problem; how do you manage land and animals when the population explodes beyond control. If you have a genuine solution and not just rote reaction I'm sure they would appreciate any impute.

[tiggypop1]

omg they should of let them go fucking faggots! it's not fucking fair... they want to be free and enjoy the grass and run wild also enjoy the fresh air not be locked up a fucking shitty stable and doing races everyday! think about what s best for them and what they want to o... not to use them for money! if they die at least they will die happily knowng that they had what they wanted to be free for once in a life time!!!!!! poor sods :(

[knimig]

@tiggypop1 Ease up Tiggy! If you want the best for horses accept the fact that overpopulation and indifference is not in the best interest of the horses. Removal of some of the horses so that the remainder can lead a better life is a necessity. Type in Dilemma and see the problem.

[iluvmyhorsemay]

that's mean! >.< people say how its not right to take wild animals from their original home, well same here. It's not fair for them to have to move for us. Its a reserve. Leave them on it. They aren't hurting anyone or anything. If you absolutely /have/ to remove them. Don't remove all of them, just some or even lasso the stallions (SOME of them) and geld them and then RETURN them.

[knimig]

@iluvmyhorsemay It's nice that you are so compassionate. However, you have to face reality. Because people adopted the very attitude you stated there are now more than 12,000 horses on land that can support 2,000 long term. Because of overcrowding the vegetation is nearly gone. If no animals are removed all will stave to death in a relatively short time. Is that what you want? Leave them alone until they are all dead? Seems rather selfish of you to condemn an entire herd to extinction.

[knimig]

I don't know how you know so much about what you think happened with out having been there. 1) you don't know squat about wild horses. 2) You have no clue how far they ran or how far they can run. 3) You try to judge the world buy your very feeble knowledge base. 4) you are like so many others who comment here without knowing that without this short run these horses were going to die of starvation. That's OK with you- don't disturb them just let them die because there is no food available.

[bcrosshorses]

those babies legs are not strong enough for that long hard run most end up dieing cause they end up lame or crippled.

[knimig]

No! It is not enough for people to care a little bit. That's what makes for oversimplified solutions that get shouted around as slogans which are meant to inflame not to problem solve. If you really care- get involved with an organization that is faced with the problem of overpopulation on dwindling land resources and see if you can help them find solutions. Unlike petition signing and slogan shouting this will be very hard, time consuming and above all frustrating work. But satisfying :)

[site4pets]

Well thanks for not being sarcastic...I know their isn't a simple soultion, but we can at least try, ppl have to at least act like they care a little bit

[site4pets]

Im guessing you were being sarcastic about the good luck thing, but thanks anyways! Everyone has their opinion i guess, maybe we should apply layered voice analysis to see if their lying or not!

[knimig]

@site4pets Trust me. I was not being sarcastic. I wish you and anyone else who is driven to make a difference in wild horse management all the luck in the world. After "living" with wild horses on the Yakama Reservation for 10 years and videoing when daily lives I have a understanding of both the problem and the difficulties faced. If you want a short synopsis visit  my web site about the Yakama horses. Read "Dilemma" and then tell me if the problem has a simple solution.

[site4pets]

The information the BLM goes off of is over 13 years old, this information says how many wild horses and burros can stay on the land and its outdated and therefore the conditions have changed. If you havent yet watched the video of the BLM and braveheart that was completley carelss what they did, there retards. Also, if the land is lacking food and water why are their as many cattle and sheep forced to graze on the land as there are wild horses and burros?

[knimig]

@site4pets If you are going to be effective in your crusade I suggest you do 2 things : 1) focus on a specific BLM site as not all are the same situation and learn what specific acts of cruelty have been documented. 2) address the administrators of that site with specific problems that need to be addressed. Be accurate, be respectful, be patient, but most of all, be persistent. In this way you might just bring about some of the policy revisions you think are needed. Good luck

[site4pets]

the BLM catches wild horses and burros and leaves hundreds dead and injured, sign the free petition to stop 2011 roundup-

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[knimig]

@site4pets You are soooo helpful little one. Stop the roundups! Stop all those mean people from reducing the horse populations on what is already highly overgrazed lands. Stop the roundups so the all of the horses can starve to death quietly while you watch TV and play on your computer. Stop the humanitarian efforts to reduce the ecological destruction of the land so you will never have to see them wither and die. Great thinking! Great humanitarian! Great Scott! What an imbecile you are.

[knimig]

Why cruel? This is not a game. The helicopter moves the horses to a point in a matter of a few minutes. Because the wild horses don't like to be chased they may run for hours eluding riders on horseback. Both the wild and the domesticated horses are worse off for it. The reason for moving the horses in the first place is to get them off land where they are likely to starve to death. Escaping the helicopter is no salvation for those that will eventually starve.

[Chriskate1000]

Okay, i have to know...why would you use freaking HELICOPTERS to round up horses?!!!! What is WRONG with you?! Its CRUEL and UNNECESSESARY!!!!! You want to round up horses, then do it the RIGHT way which is actually getting ON a horse and rounding them up CORRECTLY and APPROPRIATLY. Oh, and just to put this out there, HAHAHAHAH!!!! The horses got away from you!!! xD LOL, turns out their smarter than you thought, eh?? XP

[knimig]

@Chriskate1000 Why cruel? This is not a game. The helicopter moves the horses to a point in a matter of a few minutes. Because the wild horses don't like to be chased they may run for hours eluding riders on horseback. Both the wild and the domesticated horses are worse off for it. The reason for moving the horses in the first place is to get them off land where they are likely to starve to death. Escaping the helicopter is no salvation for those that will eventually starve.

[knimig]

I'm not quite sure what you are asking. Each family group (usually 4-10 horses) has a dominant stallion and a dominant mare who lead that group. A herd may consist of many family groups, each with its own dominant stallions. When chased all groups run as a herd but each group is still controlled by its own stallion. Sometimes group stallions will fight even as they run. There is no one stallion that controls an entire herd. During breeding season the family groups may get mixed.

[Chriskate1000]

@knimig 

[qrackerlover]

may i ask who the lead stallion is? that is if you know. I am doing a project on wild horses seeing if the lead stallion changes the dynamic of the herd.

[MusicAndHorses4ever]

I'm just glad they escaped :) You know, they wouldn't have a hard time living if the BLM was taking them away from the land and selling it off for cows, when there are already more than enough of the stupid cattle.

[TheCrosswind]

Using a helicopter is cruel and inhumane for these horses. Many are then held in pens for up 3 years,why????? at multi-millions of tax dollars expense. many are not getting enough food, by the time some end up in rescue they are sick and very thin. This week BLM was witnessed to be using TWO helicopters. ONE is traumatic enough, get the facts before agreeing with this. Photos also captured a Mare tooo exhausted to run anymore, so helicopter was touching her to force to run more, CRUEL & ILLEGAL

[knimig]

@TheCrosswind ; Please get YOUR facts correct, This activity was conducted by the Yakama Nation, a sovereign nation, unconnected to the US BLM. What happened in this video is unrelated to what happens on BLM land.

[TheSolaceDream]

It really makes me sad but honestly but it needs to be done. I think we should all be greatful that the horses are given a opportunity to have fufulling life in human care instead of just being destroyed.Like in austraila where I guess there is no economical value for them so they are just hunted like every other feral/nonnative creature they have out there Dogs, Cats, Red foxes Cotton tail rabbits, Camels Cane Toads its really sad. Im greatful were giving them a second chance.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

That was not a bold move of the horses, that is called fighting with whatever you've got to stay alive and free.

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf Partially correct. They are fighting to remain free. It was bold to charge a flying helicopter rather than willingly enter a corral.

[ilovemyhorsebullet]

i dont know who in the right mind would think that taking horses that are NOT BOTHERING OR DISTURBING ANYONE else is right. its completely ridiculous, get a clue. this rounding up bs needs to be put to a END!

[knimig]

@ilovemyhorsebullet Range scientists calculate the land these horses roam can sustain at most 1500 horses on a permanent basis without severe ecological damage. The current population is nearly 12,000 and rising at a rate fo 25% per year. There is no choice; remove a significant number of horses so that some can survive or watch all die of starvation in this decade. However, catch and remove programs are currently stalled, partially because of fanatics like you.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig Well since Americans have killed off all the wolves, that means no predators for horses, and since there's hardly any rangeland left i can see how they would overgraze a certain area. If they were given their homes back there wouldn't be this problem.

Give Nature their wolves back and leave her beautiful horses alone.

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf  Wolves have been re introduced into the Pacific Northwest and are doing just fine. Because of the horses' speed and endurance, wolves alone cannot control for horse populations. Wolves choose slower animals, given the chance. There are very few natural controls on wild horse populations--except man. Wildhorse herds expand at about 30% per year. Meaning that 5000 horses become 11,000 within 3 years and ~20,000 in 6 yrs. No land can sustain uncontrolled expansion for long.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig Yes, the wolf population is getting better piece by piece but there are ranchers and extremeists who are still out there illegally shooting wolves. The wolf population is not up to the natural standard. But how could they when man is 2-3 times over their own natural limit..

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf Mostly true. However, to remain a part of the ecosystem the wolf will have to adapt to a role that man dictates. Whether that is fair, desirable, or "right" is immaterial. That's just the way it is going to be in the future. Better get used to it.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig Well I'm sick and tired of men thinking they have control over everything in Nature. They don't, and never will. The future will prove that, whether we wake up in time or not so that we don't destroy ourselves.

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf I understand your frustration, man. However, I think just sitting around condemning everything that Man does as being against Nature will get you nowhere. Pick something specific, some place where you think changes are needed and then focus your efforts and your constructive ideas in ways that you can make a real difference. You'll be happier for it. Good luck

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig First of all, I'm not a man.

I do choose specific goals. I know what I'm going after, and I also know that not all people are bad. They are steered in the wrong direction by the seductive ones and don't know where they're going. But the majority of our government officials are not following the laws of nature as they should. Americans are developing very bad habits and it is effecting everyone around them.

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf Sorry about the gender gaff. Hard to distinguish on the net.

Without trying to be confrontational -I'm curious about you comments. Specifically, what are the Laws of Nature that so many are ignoring? As a wildlife photographer/videographer I am keenly interested in Nature but the term Nature's laws is something I'm not familiar with. Also, what specifically are the bad habits that Americans are developing? About what ? Please try to avoid cliches in your response. Thanks

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig The laws of nature are quite simple to follow; you kill only to eat or to protect yourself from Being eaten/ killed. You are apart of the food chain and respect your prey as well as other hunters that compete with you, because of the sacrifices them make for you to surive, for us all to surivive. That you live by Nature, for the greater nature. That you do not find pride in killing because of the act itself but because it means you can live another day and therefore won't die.

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf Sounds admirable. I have no quarrel with anything said. I don't understand this comment. "That you live by Nature, for the greater nature."

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig It is for example how wolves live to the greater good of the pack. You must live for the greater good of all in Nature, to ensure that it survives even long after you are gone

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf Thanks for your clear answers to my questions. Please answer this question if you can. Why do so many people write vicious, vile comments here berating the motives of the very people who must make hard decisions for the greater good of the wild horse herds. They use profanities because some horses are captured and removed. The most vicious will not listen, preferring that nothing be done even if the entire herd perishes because they destroy the land that supports them.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig I agree, as much as it saddens me to see wild horses rounded up, sometimes I can understand why they do it, besides just for slaughter which I will never see to. Even if people are on my side, I don't like it myself if they use profanities, it just makes their comments less worthy. From both sides I have witnessed them attacking each other and they end up forgetting the purpose of the conversation and just send personal insults instead.

Thank you for your understanding as well.

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf  Carry on. :)

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf Wolves have been re introduced into the Pac Northwest and are doing fine. However, because of the horses' speed and endurance, wolves do not control wildhorse populations. Only man does that. Wild horses increase at about 30% per year: 5000 animals become 11,000 within 3 yrs and nearly 20,000 in just over 5 yrs. No land can withstand that type of unregulated population increase. Eventually not only the horses but all other animals will starve to death because of eco damage.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig The eco damage comes from the cattle, it's been proved. Not only do the livestocks hooves tear up turf more easily, but they way the consume the grass, how they digest it and the certain way it returns to the earth is not being recycled. Cows strip grass down to the root very easily while horse digestive system makes their feses like fertilizer when it comes back out. And there is almost to what 10 million now? About 500 times the population of the wild horses?

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf . I suggest you focus on specific locations to make your criticisms. True. There are many cows in the west. And they impact some areas badly. However, the area where these wild horses live is on Indian Reservation were cattle have been banned for decades. The present populations of wild horses are destroying the vegetation and land more extensively than cattle did. While horses are sacred to the Indians they can see there are far too many horses for the land to support.

[bustyn]

@TheBlueRainWolf This is what happens when a non native species is introduced to an ecosystem. The wild horses are essentially an invasive species. They were introduced to this area, and it cannot sustain them. In order to return this ecosystem to a proper balance, the invasive species should be eradicated.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@bustyn Cattle and sheep are non-native too, yet they take up almost all the range land, including taking it from the wild horses. But of course since all the couch potato Americans have to be fed, it's perfectly fine to have those land-stripping grazers...

I understand the effect that a non-native species can have. It's a human error that we think we can just plop anything wherever we want. But there's less than, what, 15-20 thousand left? If that? They never created such devastating effects.

[MuleKist]

knimig, I have been a wild horse warrior for many many years, and we have herd watchers all over the place watching types of wild horse "gathers" - horses are ALWAYS hurt, particularly the babies as you will see if you l@@k around at some of the other "gather vids" as I have mentioned. YOU are the one who needs 2 do yer homework if you think these horses are being removed to save them from starving to death.....what about the privately owned cows that outnumber the wild horses by nearly 200 to 1

[knimig]

@MuleKist Hey man, get your facts. These horses are on Indian land. No contact with BLM. Few, if any, cows in the area. Range scientists calculate the land can sustain 1500 horses on a permanent basis without ecological damage. Because of fanatics like you, catch and remove programs are stalled. Current population ~12,000 and rising at a rate fo 25% per year. There is no choice; remove a significant number of horses so that some can survive or watch all die of starvation in this decade.

[MuleKist]

LIES! Horses are ALWAYS harmed during those cruel and un-necessary gathers - particularly the young foals,....the literally have their tender little hooves torn off. Take a look around at some of the Wild Horse Advocate Vids, the Twin Peaks Round Up for example, where several foals were crippled running over the rock just like you have shown in this vid. You must worrk for the BLM or be somehow affiliated with them....and standing to gain from the relationship somehow.

[knimig]

@MuleKist I would like to know how you became such an expert on wild horses after viewing one video. From that one viewing you are now convienced that you know so much more than those of us who were there. Look again at this video for any problems. You are wrong too dogmatic in your belief to admit it . NICE COMMENTS THOUGH. Dnegrated anyone who may disagree with you is a great way to win an argunment. AND SUCH TOLERANCE, WOW.

YOur philosphy: let all the horses die of starvation.

[WildhorseAnni]

@knimig They are not starving -THE BLM has stolen the horses LAND FOR 13 million private welfare cattle .

[knimig]

@WildhorseAnni ; OK Anni. What part of Indian Nation do you not understand? The land where these horses roam is entirely owned by the Yakama Nation. The Yakama reservation is a sovereign country with no connection to BLM and the US government. Stop with the rantings about BLM. That has no place in this discussion.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig There is no such thing as a gentle roundup in America where no horses get hurt. These roundups can last for hours, and they end up running the horses at top speeds for probably over ten miles or more. Any foals in that herd are at risk of being trampled or getting left beind.

[knimig]

@TheBlueRainWolf See the other comments.  Also,aA bit of temporary discomfort for a relative few horses is better than slow starvation for all.

[TheBlueRainWolf]

@knimig They are starving because domesticated cattle are claiming their homes. They overgraze because they have no where else to go.

[pokie4life]

why the hell WOULD they round up some of the LAST WILD horses on earth ?!?! jerkfaces

[knimig]

@pokie4life There are 5 times more horses on the land than the land can support.

If some are not removed all will stave to death. That help explain why they chase?

[pokie4life]

@knimig ohhh thanks for pointing that out.

[MuleKist]

@knimig - lies.

[JessAcount123]

@knimig but even though ppl say they r helping these horses emagin that u were one of these horses,running over hard turane and scared

[knimig]

@JessAcount123 This is their country. Countless generations have evolved on this terrain and have developed an ability to run through this country as no other animal can. Being scared (and cautious) is the way truly wild animals survive. No amount of human pity can make them anything but creatures who have true freedom. Those horses surviving the roundups have a much better existence than their domesticated cousins because they are absolutely free to do as they please, when they please.

[garota999]

I do not know who the more stupid, if is the pilot or the chickens running on land

[garota999]

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[garota999]

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[knimig]

@camanche35 Good eye. They're in good shape for wild horses. Those caught are first offered for sale as riding horses to anyone, anywhere. Those unsold are offered for free to organizations that specialize in salvaging unwanted horse. Those still unclaimed are sent to Canada for slaughter. Some of those may be reshipped to France for use as human food. Every effort is made to treat the animals humanely. This may not satisfy you but that's just the way it is.

[camanche35]

knimig !!!! as you see in this video none of those horses bones are showing there very healthy that 's why they want them !!!!! they take them to slaughter houses and " man's best friend " eat's them !!!! can you say PUPPY CHOW !!!!

[knimig]

Stop what? These people are trying to help the horses survive a horrible overpopulation problem that threatens to kill them all through starvation unless some of horses are removed. I take it that you prefer they all stave to death because you feel it is inhumane to chase and capture the horses . Bad logic.

[windblaze1224]

this is horable you guys we need to stop it

[jmhaze2006]

IDIOT BLM, thank goodness a few got away. They don't look hungry, they are fine left alone. AND THEY CHASE FOALS TOO, I feel like throwing up when I watch what BLM is doing.

[knimig]

Sorry friend. Pay attention to the fine print. These horses belong to the Yakama Indian Nation. No relation to BLM.

[sunlei5]

so this is the same helicopter company round-up inc the american federal gov. BLM has paid millions of dollars to run wild horses to death?

And this companys owner was charged with the crime of rounding up wild horses and sending them to slaughter! and the BLM still uses this criminal and his family of helicopter jockies today! what a freaking mismanagement group of horse killers!!

[knimig]

@sunlei5 I don't think you have a clue what your talking about. First, this is not BLM land. 2nd, You have no clue who owns the helicopter. 3rd You have no clue about wild horse management. Only vulgar expressions about situations about which you are totally clueless.

Enjoy the video

[sunlei5]

@knimig this is a round-up on reservation lands. There are only 2 helicopter round-up businesses that run horses to death. Only these companies use aircraft because real horsemen know running any horse with aircraft causes many deaths and road founder. No real horse breeder would ever run their pregnant mares or run their horses for 20 plus miles at a gallop using aircraft. only the horse killers from Utah use aircrat, they started by running wild horses off cliffs many years ago!!

[knimig]

@sunlei5 Well old timer I still contend you know very little of what you are talking about. These horses are nowhere near Utah and are never run 20 miles. This video is a composite over time and mult\iple groups of horses; strictly for entertainment purposes.It is good that people have compasion and concern for wild horses. However, If you are truely concerned take time to learn the facts about the horses you want to protect. Google Yakama wild horses.

[1976jrl]

I love it at 1:26 when one of the horses takes out the fat guy!

[1976jrl]

I meant 1:24

[bluekentucky1]

It would be awesome to see someone once run up with a scud missile and take out that helicopter, I thought we were waging a war on terror? There's not greater terrorist than here domestically and it's known as the BLM. They should all be hunted down from Salazar on down the line.

[sunlei5]

you know, I never wish harm to anyone ever in my life. except now, today..I wish all the helicoptors that run wild horses to death many times crash!! I wish and pray those who harm our wild horses have horrible bad karma, disease and death to them and their families. I know God will punish them for killing so many wild horses over the years. However, I wish and pray for their lives on earth to be crappy lives, with much sorrow they have earned!

[WildhorseAnni]

We have all that public land -BUT BLM has our horses on private land information given by Mr. Nick, former feedlot owner hired by the BLM, the reason BLM held round up during the winter months instead of in Sept , is that they hired a buddy to receive the Calico horses, (to fatten his pockets with our tax dollars) and this buddy did not have his feedlot even built or ready for the horses until Dec. They don't protect our public lands , wildlife & water -but profit illegally

[sgracebr]

I'm glad they got away! No one should be rounding them up in the first place! And they probably suffered durring and after this took place. It's funny how people think they can stop a scared horse by getting in front of it. STUPID PEOPLE!

[rocketbarrel]

this is dumb.. if the person who made it knew what they were talking about there would be no spelling errors!!

[Swift898]

YAKAMA indians don't be stupid these horses deserve better treatment they were here long ago just leave them be they have every right to be there MORONS!!!!!

[xXxCherilynxXx]

The buckskin at 0.45, GOORRGEOUUS!!!!

We've got a herd of 10 horses in a 1km paddock n i round em up on a quad too, hell fun!!!

[vixon225]

its not fun the fucking BML dosent let horses have land just damn cattle horse where here before them they get there land and in this prosses of helicopters and ATVs 99% of horses are badly injured by the time they get to a corral many equine vets want to BAN horse collecting and instead provied Gelding serveses and birth control for the mares that way evrey one is happy .

[xXxCherilynxXx]

Yeah good point but what i meant was its fun rounding up our mob. Go flying over bumps in the ground.

Where is this station, Aus, America?

[proffromgview]

@vixon225 Uhhhh, there is NO BLM land here. There is BIA, but there is VERY little BLM land in Washington State....

[kokaz84]

LOL. The fat guy falling at 1:24 !!!

[alettaHartjePonys]

@kokaz84 I saw that too! Awesome.

[bcrosshorses]

@kokaz84 that was good he thought he could stop that horse i guess proved him wrong!!

[apologiamixer]

Thanks for uploading this. I saw a dozen or so running near the highway on my way to Goldendale last year. Thought at first I was in a cowboy moving set. Your article in the paper was very educational.

[rubyroxz23]

i thought my horse was hard to ketch lol

[cyote777]

Hey remember the film The Misfits? Clark Gable and Marylyn Monroe? He died shortly after the film doin his stunts; she felt real bad. A classic film!

[knimig]

I remember.

[cyote777]

that's good; I love this Stuff.