(cont) With that said, if you read your bible, no where does it state that there will be a pre-trib rapture. This pre-trib rapture came from a 15 year girl named Margaret MacDonald from 1830 who lived in Scotland who claimed she had a vision of the pre-trib rapture, and it was preached ever since as if it was from the scripture. This false security that Christians choose to believe in is the very thing Satan is counting on. Test what you hear against the Word, and learn the truth. Pray on it.
Test everything. Do not simply take the word of man and assume that it is correct. Test everything you hear against the word, because the word is truth, and truth is Christ. Do not mix your own theories with that of the scripture. If you actually read the bible, God even warns you against adding extra "information" into the scripture---you will suffer the wrath of God for adding your own "information" along with His word. Do not take the word of Man as Truth, for it will be riddled with lies.
You sir are INCORRECT. I am the prophet of Amos 3:7. JESUS WILL RETURN FOR HIS CHURCH THIS JEWISH NEW YEAR, according to the instruction gave to Moses in Ex. 12:1-2. HE WILL RETURN THE WEEK OF PASSOVER 2012!
@ThunderKat2012 The rapture will occur... But not when you at claiming it will, read also Zechariah 14, we will be with him because he brings us to him at his second return right before the battle. This is so crystal clear, read the prophets and compare. Whether or not we will fight I'm not sure, it's possible. But it's very clear the rapture occurs on the DAY of the Lord, His revealing. What you also propose is a type of spiritual adultery for us to live with Christ before the wedding.
@ThunderKat2012 They are the same event. Read Isaiah 65 and 66. Jesus is going to descend in like manner and we will descend with Him. He's a better off preaching than yourself who offers no scripture. Read 1 cor 15, 1 John 2:28, 2 thess 1 and ch 2, Matt 24 and 25 all show you clearly incorrect.. After the tribulation he will be revealed and us with him. Read rev 17:14 and 1 thess 4:15-17. We will descend with him to mount of olives.
I think often christians confuse the rapture and jesus second coming...I know I use too. The rapture is not Jesus second coming. The rapture is christians meeting jesus in the air. We will be changed in the twinkling of the eye. God and sin cannot co exist so why would he leave us on earth changed among sinners. The second coming is Jesus leading all those who had been saved into combat with the anti christ and the Armys of earth. there are 1.5 billion christians on this earth at any given time
If your a true christian you really have to wonder are you gonna believe Men of God like John C. McArthur, Billy Graham John Hagee and Chuck Swindol or bathroom and bedroom preachers...like this guy. Its a no brainer...
Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
This is a description of the saints returning with Christ. If the rapture doesnt happen then how can we RETURN with Christ. They are also clothed which means they have to have a body.
Good stuff brother most people when they have been indoctrinated with a teaching cant handle (at first) the truth when it shatters there belief system, And some no matter how much truth you show them they love the Lie..But there all my brother's and sisters and one day we will find out for sure I just hope that when this all jump's off they have the faith to stand till the end..God bless
The "RAPTURE" as it is being taught by the "blind guides" in the "churches of men" is false. There will be a GATHERING (A 2nd EXODUS:Isaiah 11, 65:9,22 &Jer. 30,31)
we attract what we put focus on. In a town two people have different destinies inspite of living the same circumstances. Why? Because their believes determines the outcomes. My theory is that in rapture there is a displacement to another dimension through a transition between frequencies. That we literally will disappear in front of people due to a change in electromagnetic frequency, like jumping to another parallel unvierse or new earth. Just a theory of mine.
@8feetoflove The immortal soul doctrine means that all souls live forever - either in Hell or in Heaven. This is not Biblical. The Bible clearly teaches that the righteous inherit eternal life while the unrighteous are destroyed.
Immortality is conditional and is available only to the saved.
@FAITHandLOGIC I am the prophet spoken of in Amos 3:7.JESUS WILL BE BACK FOR HIS CHURCH THIS JEWISH NEW YEAR according to Ex. 12: 1-2. JESUS WILL RETURN THE WEEK OF PASSOVER 2012!
I was wondering if you could do me a huge favor and explain the meaning of Luke 17:30-37. It seems as if Jesus was referencing to some type of rapture taking place.
@4iamu Betrayal, are we not told we will be betrayed by our loved ones? Perhaps the ones taken away, are taken to camps. Remember, we can't just use one verse, if you watch my series Left Behind has Left you blind, there are endless scriptures that note that MANY who are Yahwehs children (a number which no man can count) will be tortured and killed.
@8feetoflove. stopped the video when you started freaking out, the verses in Matthew are referring to people saved during the 7 yr Tribulation. Common sense and scriptures like Rev 3:10, John 14 , the bible is clear about the rapture happening and it makes most sense for prior to Trib. you dont want to believe it thats fine but dont call something a lie you're not sure on. It makes no sense for us to be raptured at the end and then come right back, the Trib is judgement which is not for saints
@4iamu Thank you for your view. I will continue to study and search the scriptures. To tell the truth, I don't know what to believe right now. All of this is so new and conflicting; some verses indicate that there will be a some type of pre-trib and others indicate their won't be. Either, It's very unclear! We must be very careful when preaching something of this nature. Meanwhile, I'm praying that the Lord will give me clarity and revelation concerning this very important subject. Bless you!
I agree that pre-trib rapture is probably false, and that teaching it as biblical truth when it's not mentioned specifically that way in the bible is dangereous. We were not promised an easy time on earth. We were told we'd be persecuted for being followers of Jesus, and that we'd be mocked, and imprisoned, and killed for the testimony of Jesus. Many of us who see the tribulation will die violent deaths at the hands of our coming one world government, labeled as terrorists.
The BEST and I mean BEST video that is on youtube that tells the truth about the ORIGIN if the pre-trib rapture idea ( it was NOT taught by the early church, not by the apostles, not by the reformationists in the 1500's, nor by ANYONE until the 1800's!! Birthed from the minds of the Jesuits to counter the reformation's identification of the cath.church w/ the Whore of Babylon) is called "Origins of the Pre-tribulation rapture doctrine" uploaded by martinthezman. CHECK IT OUT, if u want TRUTH!
@TheKJVberean I would suggest just watching the series left behind has left you blind on my channel. The Name Yahweh is the original Hebrew Name God gave us to call Him, Yahshua is Jesus' real name. Jesus, is a very rough english translation, and would more accurately be Joshua, IF you were to try to translate. I do not believe in this, He was Hebrew born to Mary of the Holy Spirit, and not Latin Jesus is a Latin name, which is how the translation came about. All of this is 100% researchable
Matthew 24 plainly states how we christians will be brought before counsels and government and BE KILLED.....its not hard to understand.....Fear NOT those who can kill the body.....FEAR GOD who can cast your soul into HELL.......Christ saved you from hell.....THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH....
I'm leaning towards pre-trib rapture because God's wrath is not for those under the blood of Jesus. Moreover in the New Age they say of a rapture of Christians. They explain it away with some new age drivel connected with UFOs/Aliens which are really demonic manifestations.
I believe Christians will be persecuted and suffer before the great tribulation. I don't know how much of the tribulation believers will go thrue, but those that are raptured will be part of the second coming of Christ. (Armageddon). In what ever order or exactly how this is going to happen is a mystery to me, but bottom line. Christians are going to suffer, and they will glorify God. Anybody who wishes they were alive to be raptured, are fools, unless they are willing to be persecuted.
@Myhopeisinhim NO. Matthew 24 is a Jesus telling his disciples when they ask him about the Temple. All the synoptic gospels have this account and Jesus makes a promise that all these things will come to pass before this generation passes away. (Matt. 24:34) The Greek word is "genea" not race "genos". The footnotes in Bibles deceive people. So either Jesus is lying or the church is deceived. There is no Rapture and anyone who exegetical studies will see that it is a lie from evil men.
I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture myself. The majority of the prophecies in matthew 24 are about the end times just prior to his return, and not immediately within their particular generation.
@Myhopeisinhim Jesus said all of these things will come to pass before this generation passes away. His return is far off in the future, but the end of the age is a reference to the end of the Jewish system. We are living in the millennium (not a literal thousand years). The Book of Revelation is a letter that John wrote to the 7 churches in Asia (Real Churches) and promised that these things are soon to pass and names himself as a fellow partaker. We have nothing to worry about. God Bless.
You would think the desire to go through the tribulation would be as popular as the desire to jump into a pit filled with vipers and broken glass. As illogical as it may seem, there appears to be a large number of Christians that fully expect to get roughed up before Christ returns.
Many Christians argue strongly for the right to suffer persecution at the hands of the Antichrist and the one world government. "Because Jesus and His disciples suffered persecution, we should expect no better."
@Bhatch2007 Watch my video series, Left Behind has left You Blind, The Bible is CLEAR that we will suffer, and be here, it is not about what is popular, but what is written, no matter how unpopular, Jesus says Remember if the world hates you they hated me first. The POPULAR opinion is that of the WORLD, The Written Truth is that of the kingdom. Please watch the video Series I listed, it is full of scripture on the matter, Yahweh Bless.
There is a very strong pull in a believer to accept the pre-trib rapture because its a doctrine that tickles the ears. I mean who doesn't wanna believe they'll escape all there is to come. I mean its like putting a person at a fork in the road...both roads lead to the same place, but one you have to climb a mountain, and the other is a path that requires no work, I can't imagine anyone who wouldn't want to take the easy path.
Is it any coincidence that John Darby's pre-trib rapture theory had its birth place in England and quickly spread to America, the two most influential and prosperous superpowers on earth at that time to this day? nations whose reach and influence is felt the world over? I dont think so. Satan knew this false doctrine would take hold quickly in these nations and be spread even further because of their far reaching influence. he knows what he's doing
i understand and respect your frustration becuz satan has fooled the very elect of God into believing they will escape tribulation.. folks did the apostle paul escape it did peter escape it many centuries of people dieing for christ its real.... we r in tribulation folks have faith in yeshua in these times of trouble upon the earth...
Anyone who believes in the Rapture, the Anti-Christ, or The beast is about to appear is heavily deceived, the church has terribly messed things up. The Rapture is a brutal lie brought on by a need for Jesus to come back and deal with our problems cause somehow we can't. I am an avid anti-rapturist and I simply reading the bible in context will disprove a lot current teachings in the church.
@Myhopeisinhim Not conclusively as ONE MAN, not how the media/movies portray it anyway, it says MANY will come, not just ONE. We could easily be talking about a group or spirit, or else the woman who rides upon the beast would also be a literal woman. My point is pray that the holy spirit guides you, that you be not deceived, and don't believe everything the TV portrays to be truth. There is a LITERAL man of Sin, but MANY ANTICHRISTS WILL COME IN CHRISTS NAME. Yahweh Bless.
@Myhopeisinhim The reason I mentioned it in such a way is there for months, Maitreya (yet to be conclusively seen) was THE Antichrist, Obama was THE Antichrist, and so on, with many other people, and there is a definite MAN OF SIN, who will embrace this ANTICHRIST nature, but there are many ANTI- Christs. I felt people were too quick to embrace a worldy view on this concept and apply mans principles to identifying this "Person".
@Myhopeisinhim The Bible does mention the spirit of the anti-christ, I mere 5 times in the entire gospel, The subject gets way too much attention considering that anyone who does they're homework can see that it is talking about the early church Gnostic movement and the fact that the Hebrews were also denying the Jesus in the Messiah. Troubling as it seems, this video and most people on the subject of eschatology are very deceived.
@markfriesen1979 No, because the word rapture is never mentioned in the bible. I would invite you to watch my video series, Left Behind has Left you Blind I believe 1-4.
Christ appearance is in Revelation 6:16, during the 6th Seal. The 7th seal brings the 7 trumpets.
Christ's Kingdom comes at the end of the 7 years, yet we see his appearance is well before this!
2 Timothy 4:1, we have his Appearance and his Kingdom.
It's a Lie to say Christ doesn't appear, as the Wrath of the LAMB in Revelation 6:16.
Its a lie to call the Tribulation is 7 years, because there is a 7 year Covenant, and that is broken in the middle, then Great Tribulation for 42 months (Rev13:5)
pls watch my vid on the Rapture. There is sufficient Scripture on it. And if you haven't heard about those three prophetesses then obviously you do not have God's work in your life. Or maybe you haven't been praying??
@receivejesusnow: So your video and 3 people are now truth over the Living Word of YHWH? Sorry, but you bare false witness so your fruit is clear. How dare you make such a claim that someone does not have Creator due to not knowing of some man. For you will be judged by the same small stick. Typical christian with no knowledge, just as Isaiah 45:20 states. No fruit of the spirit, Gal 5:22-23. If this is how you speak to a minister on the web, I'd hate to see how you treat them in person.
@QuietBuck You're not a minister. You're a false teacher. And you're the one who is teaching doctrines contradictory to the Word. Jesus spoke through those three people and their message spoke to me. I won't be surprised to hear you do not have God's work in your life.
@receivejesusnow: Are you Father to state I am not a minister (Num 30:2)? Your evidence that I am a false teacher is (Ex 20:16)? Please show where I teach anything BUT the Word (Ps 119:105). Your understanding is greater than the Word (Pro 3:5)? Being I give 50+ hrs a wk freely, take no donations, tithe, gifts. Assist elderly, homeless, setting up a safe house. Live in poverty, gave up my $.7 mill co. & work minimum wage (James 1:27, Luke 16:13). My fruit speaks for itself. (Pro 15:3, Rom 13:1)
1Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for YHWH resisteth the proud, and giveth favour to the humble.
1Timothy 5:1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
@QuietBuck You're not a minister. You teach false doctrines. The Bible itself has many verses that teaches us to shake the dust off our feet if someone had rejected our pleadings. And to NOT give anything to the evil, as Jesus communicated this fact to us in a form of parables. The verses you have above is IF you are one of the Church, and since you do not believe in a Rapture, you're not part of it and thus, you have utterly no hope. I won't be coming back anyway - shaking the dust off my feet!
@receivejesusnow: Again, you have no right to claim I am not a minister. Sadly you take that judgment upon yourself. Yes, scripture is full of verses. Such as obey, submit and listen unto ministers, not obey, listen and not rebuke elders, to be humble to all, to not strive, bicker, not bare false witness, not to lie, deceive, hear-say. Yes scripture states to dust feet if one does not listen to the Word, I quote the Word. Why do you fail the law openly? 2John 1:9.
@receivejesusnow: You have made a claim 2 times, that I am not a minister. Please provide your evidence, documents or anything you have. Otherwise in public you bared false witness. I can easily prove my fruit and is open for all to see.
Proverbs 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear YHWH, and depart from evil.
Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of YHWH are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
Those of you who are pretribbers like jakethesnakerobertz1 and receivejesusnow, better be listening with a pure heart. Jesus won't return until IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION AT THE LAST TRUMPET!!! DUH!!!!! OUR SAVIOR SAID THAT!!!!!! HE NEVER DID SAY HE WAS COMING BEFORE. HE SAID AFTER!!!! SO READ YOUR BIBLES ALOT HARDER!!!!
@jakethesnakerobertz1 It wasn't obvious? Both beliefs, A that the Pretribulation Rapture exists, and B that Homosexuality is OK, are proven so by taking scripture out of context, to fit our own personal desire, and not The Word as it was given. I compare the 2 because false doctrine is false doctrine. And both call God/Yahweh a liar.
@jakethesnakerobertz1: There is no rapture and your use of passages do not prove your point at all. To remove the righteous means Proverbs 10:30 alone lied. Yes we are kept from the wrath, but we are not removed, but lead through it. Just like Noah was lead through the flood, Moses was lead through the desert and sea. Father never changes.
@jakethesnakerobertz1: Mind your business is not a biblical answer unto a minister. Specially when scripture is blatently clear you to obey, submit and listen. Why do you openly fail the Messiah's doctrine? If I am wrong in no rapture, no foul for I would still leave. If I am right on no rapture, I am prepared for the trib, yet you are not. In turn, YOU become the GREAT FALLING AWAY that is predicted. For you will then believe the book, the Word and all you have heard was a lie.
@jakethesnakerobertz1: I sent you multiple series on the Rapture using scripture. Please sit, with scripture, and follow along, study. If you are so faithful in what you believe you will easily sit and watch. If you cannot, then that should tell you that you are holding onto a lie and do not wish to have it exposed. Trust me, I was there was a rapture, make my job as a minister a WHOLE heck of a lot easier. But sadly there is no free ticket out, for this is home, always will be.
Reading this in context is a prayer DIRECTED to the APOSTLES
Read vers 12
WHILE I WAS WITH THEM IN THE WORLD, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
NOW see a difference when Jesus changes his prayer and directs it towards future saints in Vers 20
& in Vers 24
Jesus ask the Father for US to be with him where he is. Sounds like a Pre-Trib Rapture to me.
John 14:1-3 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Hebrews 4:14 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, ...
We r taken to be where He is at. Where does He go To his Fathers house- Where? Heaven.
@MinWilliamJosephWWM: We already saw where Messiah is in 17:10, IN US, why are you ignoring that and going elsewhere? And where is the temple of Elohim? But US again. Typical hypocrite move, bush beating to try to prove their lying point yet never just grasping and reading what is before them.
@QuietBuck You are partially right and partially wrong. Where is Heaven?
Acts 1:11 (King James Version) 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
what i find funny about those who say there is no rapture. what are they going to do when the church is pre raptured? the church is not destined to go thru it. God will rapture his true church. the new christians that are left behind are the ones who will endure persecution and tribulation. the rapture is not false. you are not reading the scriptures correctly
@8feetoflove I Am not going to Debate this with you Anti pretrib haters. for one you have not read the scriptures correctly. you twist matthew 24. jesus is talking about Israel when he says the days will be cut short
@jakethesnakerobertz1 What I find funny is how PRETRIBERS, think that those of us who are born again and covered by the Blood of Yahshua?Christ assume we will be left behind if we do not agree with the time of Christs return. You are either covered in the blood, or you are not. And you find it funny? Funny if people are left behind. Well, I guess we will know them by their fruit. And The Pretrib IS false, YOU are not reading the scriptures at all. I will pray for you.
@jakethesnakerobertz1: And as a minister I can show you more than 15 that disprove it. Proverbs 10:27-30 is clear enough for a babe to read. John 17:14-17 the Messiah himself asks for us not to be removed. And Ezekiel 13:20 Father Himself states how He hates this false rapture. Fora rapture to occur, Zechariah 13:9, Malachi 4:3 among other passages cannot come true. Please sit with a concordance and at least define 1Thess 4:17. Realize it is not what you think, but a repeat of Exodus and Deut.
@jakethesnakerobertz1 quote of MAN "the church is not destined to go thru it". Now lets quote TRUTH.
Zechariah 13:9
And I will BRING THE THIRD PART THROUGH THE FIRE, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, YHWH is my Elohim.
The "pretribulation rapture" is a lie from the pit of hell, YOu show me in the Bible where it talks about that Jesus will return at anytime and then 7 years of hell on earth, I can't find it. I'm willing to suffer and be persecuted and die for Jesus!!! I'm a posttribber. All of you pretribbers need to study the Bible more. God Bless!!! Jesus will return IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION!!!!
@iwanttobeajesusfreak show me that it is not? JESUS IS CLEARLY TALKING TO ISRAEL AND THE JEWS NOT THE CHURCH. THE CHURCH IS IN HEAVEN. EXPLAIN WHY THE CHURCH IS NOT MENTIONED AFTER REVELATION 6? YOU CAN'T CAN YOU. THE CHURCH IS IN HEAVEN
@jakethesnakerobertz1 Why wont you watch the video series, I quote ton of scripture? left behind has Left You Blind, Because you can't contest The Word, you believe what you believe not out of faith, you believe it out of fear.If you had faith, you would have faith in Yahweh's word, that we will not be removed, and that after the tribulation we are "Changed", and that all things will be made new. But you have not Faith, for your fear. because of this you believe a lie, and study no further.
@8feetoflove i have no fear of anything but god. second i do fear. i fear that through your Book you have Deceived many people. you are Another false teacher. and a false prophet who is Deceived countless people. i am going to block you and your followers. as i blocked lovelyhealing who is another false teacher. your new name should be 8feeedslies. because you are feeding lies to people who Don't know anybetter. your just trying to sell your stupid book. your just another false prophet and liar
NO!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!! NO!!!!!! You are missing what we are telling you. Please quit twisting the scriptures around. Jesus won't return for His Church until IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION, AT THE LAST TRUMP!!!! Stay away from these false ministers, like Firecharger, Tim Lahaye, the left behind series and others.
Mind your business?????? Look who's talking now. I don't see that in the Bible. I would rather be killed for my faith in Jesus, than take the ugly mark of the beast. Show me in the Bible where it talks about 7 years of hell after the "Rapture" because I don't see it. You will stay here during the tribulation and see if you will take the mark of the beast or not. It's your choice.
@jakethesnakerobertz1: Though shall not bare false witness, Ex 20:16. Though shall do righteous judgment, Jn 7:24. Being you judge on appearance & baring false witness, Is 5:20. You block people as they teach light, truth, scripture, Jn 3:20. Resorting to name calling? Heb 12:14, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27, Rom 13:10.
As you see, you are the one that does not know any better, for you are the one failing the law, 2Jn 1:9. A minister has spoken unto you, Heb 13:7, 13:17, Rom 13:4-7, 1Tim 5:1.
@jakethesnakerobertz1: And you are baring false witness, doing improper judging, calling good evil, hating upon thy brother, ignoring the Living Word. Even your fruit is that of brutishness and thorns. Yet you claim you know and follow scripture, the Messiah? Can you not see your own ignorance before you?
When you tell someone to mind their own business, is that being Christian. I don't think so. You don't know what you are talking about. If you take the mark of the beast, you will go to the lake of fire forever. No Second Chances after that my friend.
If pretrib is "biblical truth" then why has Yet anyone anywhere not been able to answer my questions about the scriptures I posted that thoroughly refute the pretrib Philosophy. Someone is lying.
I know the frustration 8feetoflove, because you want Truth and it means the world to you. And the countless game playing Minions who are on an assignment to Provoke you with their filthy heretical pretrib lie are outnumbering truth seekers. The pretribers are bound in delusional & darkness. So so sad
Do not criticise the Word of God please. Okay.... my proof is three true prophetesses: Choo Thomas, Cynthia Judd and Janet Canela. The Rapture is pre-trib!!!
@receivejesusnow: If you wish not to critize the Word of YHWH. Why then are you listening to 3 clay creations instead of the Word of YHWH? Did not that Word state to let no man aka clay creation, deceive you? If these 3 are such greatp prophetesses, they why, as a minister, have I never heard of them? Maybe cause they are not truth? There is no pre trib rapture, there is no post trib rapture and there is no rapture at all. To believe you leave this earth means but 1 thing, you are a tare.
@receivejesusnow I am Cynthia Judd and I absolutely DO NOT ENDORSE THE PRE TRIB rapture theory. I don't know where you're getting your facts from, receivejewsusnow, but in no way have I ever endorsed this false doctrine, and I ask you not to associate my name with it anymore. In fact, I have partnered on YouTube with a brother whose whole channel is dedicated to debunking this false theology. Check it out: His handle on YT is arovir and his channel is called Last Days Detective. Thank you.
Coming in the clouds :) thats about the second coming, not the rapture. There are 2 events, rapture and second coming :) you were reading the second coming event. I hope you will re-read end times event to see the difference.
@redhatguru: Coming in the clouds.... please open a Concordance and realize this is not what you assume it as. There is no puffy clouds nor is there a Jesus man coming on the clouds. But a repeat of Ex and Deut of the Pillar of Fire on the ground, in the doors.
Coming in the clouds :) thats about the second coming, not the rapture. There are 2 events, rapture and second coming :) you were reading the second coming event. I hope you will re-read end times event to see the difference.
Coming in the clouds :) thats about the second coming, not the rapture. There are 2 events, rapture and second coming :) you were reading the second coming event. I hope you will re-read end times event to see the difference.
Brother satan has placed a blindfold on your eyes, The Bible is clear about the pretrib rapture please message me and I will provide info needed to remove the blindfold
@4everjesusrules That is unnecessary, Watch my video Left Behind has Left You Blind. Because I provide scripture in it That straight up refutes it. I simply will not argue this issue, The bible tells us very plainly. the only way to see it any other way is to take scripture out of context. Anyway, watch the video series, and then decide.
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.I pray NOT that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Yes, thy Word is truth and thy Word states we are not leaving.
If rapture does happen if will only happen to those who are the most innocent, and sin-less. That to me means the small children, ones who've been baptized but have not had a chance to sin yet. For the rest of us, the only thing left is to pray that we may also go to heaven. In my case it is unlikely that I will be accepted, but it doesn't matter. I'd still rather spend my last days standing up for God, while I am still alive, than to be on the side with those who hate God.
1 Thes 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Why would we go to him in the clouds if we are going to live forever on a new earth?
There's one thing I just want to point out. If there's no pre-tribulation rapture then why does the Bible say that we should pray that we be counted worthy to escape the things that will come to pass?
@hoopz2598 First of all I really would like you to watch my video series Left Behind has Left you blind WAY MORE BIBLICAL PROOF. #2. People don't seem to be aware that there are 2 sides to the Trib. It is a war between Yahweh and Satan, Yahweh will punish the wicked, and the Antichrist Persecutes the Righteous, i.e the beheadings and such.
@hoopz2598 Pray that we are worthy to escape means just that, to come out of the world and as for a times time and half a time we are sheltered until we are finally called, this will be "Around" 3 1/2 years into the tribulation.
Pt 2 In II Thessalonians 2:1-4, Paul said that the coming of the Lord and our gathering together unto him what is called the" rapture" that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and the man of sin, son of perdition, the Antichrist be revealed. Once the antichrist is revealed, Jesus will come for His saints before the great tribulation (last half). Good video!
Just stating my opinion. I no longer debate on this subject. I was brought up to believe in pre-trib but after studying the Bible closely, I know longer believe it. Jesus said in Matthew 24:3-11 & 29-31 & in Mark 13:24-27 that he comes immediately AFTER the tribulation and not before. Cont...
@8feetoflove The visions i have are that i am a special prophet called potentate in the book of timothy. That is to say "The returned Jesus" by the way people intemperate the bible. I am returned but not Jesus my name was changed to Beaucilanimous, I gathered the First Fruits in 2001 the day after the 6th day started in 2000. I am potentate "prince" of God but await His Advent on the seventh Day but have narrowed the day to possibly 2017 I have so much information and prophecy to discuss
@Beaucilanimous Indeed brother, I will pray for you, in the mean time, make sure you have nothing of Idolatry in your house, statues of other gods, pornography, drugs, or anything that causes you to stumble, and above all else Pray for Forgiveness, and that Yahweh would cleanse you of all unrighteousness, and drive away all evil forces from your life.
@8feetoflove Thanks, that is probably why i get a crazy check anyway, I am on disability for a head injury. It make me real nice and all i want to do mostly is bible study and give the poor people all the help i can find to give them. hey I have a question any way I was looking at some peoples websites in the past and i stumble on a group from Wichita KS. My family is from Tribune and Leoti I sure would like to talk to folks from home.
Now I am really going to throw you for a loop .. I am actually a post trib rapture believer but i do accept the fact that i could be wrong. I do side with a lot of pre trib theory but i choose the post trib theories for several reasons. The most important being, I believe it is highly possible that the Pre-trib rapture doctrine may be instrumental in destroying the faith of many Christians when they are not raptured away before serious catastrophes begin.
Imagine the bewilderment and heart-crushing disappointment if you are a pre-trib rapture Christian who survives a nuclear attack. Questioning why the rapture never happened one would most likely start to fatally doubt the Bible itself, thinking like some, that it is not true.
And finally brother .. During the Millennial Kingdom there will be natural farming, building, and child-bearing (Is.65:20-25). If the rapture and the second coming occur together, then all believers go to be with Christ leaving only unbelievers. Unbelievers cannot enter the Kingdom of God (Jn.3:5). An interval between the rapture and the second coming allows for people to be saved, and in their natural bodies enter the kingdom.
cont... An interval of time between the rapture and the second coming of Christ is necessary for the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb to take place. The Judgment of the Gentiles takes place after Christ returns. If the rapture occurs at the same time as the 2nd coming, all believers ("sheep" Mt.25) would be removed; leaving only unbelievers ("goats", Mt.25). There would not be any separation of the sheep and goat because there would only be goats.
A few final thoughts; When Christ comes for His church, He comes alone (1Th.4:16-17 "the Lord Himself shall descend"). At His second coming He comes with the angels all the way to the earth to reign (Mt.25:31). There are some who are "alive and remain" at the rapture (1Th.4:13-18). Antichrist will slay those who do not worship him (Re.13:7-8, 14-15; 16:2; 19:20-21; 20:4), which would not leave many alive through the GT.
Pauls epistles do not warn the church that she will go through the GT.
Satan persecutes the "woman" who is Israel (Rev.12) during the 70th week. The church must be removed because, as the body of Christ, she would more likely to be persecuted than Israel. The Great Tribulation is a time of Gods wrath upon Israel (Je.30:6-7; Zec.13:8-9; Is.60:2; Lu.18:8)
These few references I have provided should illustrate that the tribulation is for unbelieving Israel - NOT the Church.
With all due respect; I think your aggressive stance on the topic is a little too pompous. Let's look at some of the scripture you reviewed in context - Passages such as Matt 24:1-31 and Mark 13:14 were spoken to the disciples as representatives of the Jewish nation not the church. The setting is in Judea.
The abomination is setup in Jerusalem.
They were to pray that their flight is NOT on the Sabbath (Mt.24:20), which the church (7th Day Advents notwithstanding) does not celebrate. cont...
Brother I want to speak with love and ask for your comment to reply. God gave the sun to rule the day. Jesus is the morning star. The Sun dawns in the morning, it comes after the evening and night which is governed by the moon and stars. Jews before Jesus believed they were the moons representative. In Genesis the evening and morning are the first day, first Jew then Christian, a type. I have a group at Google groups-the return of the messiah- I am Him please join
Part 2 This darkening during the tribulation refers to the apostasy of both churches while Jesus walks as potentate on earth in the flesh. Book of Timothy read 1 cor. 14 32-36 and see that women are apostasy (in disobedience to commandment of God and you can see the sun and stars darkened. I have a group at Google groups-the return of the messiah- I am Him please join
Brother, I don't know if I read this right, but WOMAN are not singled out for apostasy. In fact I have found MANY woman who are true worshippers, and few men. In fact a complete opposite truth has been revealed to me.
@8feetoflove cool, i found you again i have been looking for you to post to but my posts often don't post. i saw you you tube prophecy and i want to ask you if we are being attacked and deceived by the beast why do you disagree with the commandment for church worship. it is a sign that displays potentate.
You state the church is teaching lies yet you disagree with the false teacher?
please don't take offence i need input i am new to organised church.
What is a Church? It is a group of believers who fellowship together. As I do with many. My house is my church, A building has no power, ONLY YAHWEH (GOD) has POWER.
The bible is clear that church becomes corrupt in the end times. A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH YAHSHUA (JESUS) That is What HE desires. I spent many years in church, in many different churches, God was not there, HE was in my heart. You don't need Church you need true worship and fellowship THAT IS REAL CHURCH, Continued.....
The problem is peoples understanding of WHAT church is, they ALWAYS seek physical (A building) when God ALWAYS teaches Spiritual (Your Heart) Matthew 18:20- For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." I will be HAPPY to go to a church once I find one that professes the truth, I actually always look for church although I live in a small town now, and have no more options, Continued...
(cont) With that said, if you read your bible, no where does it state that there will be a pre-trib rapture. This pre-trib rapture came from a 15 year girl named Margaret MacDonald from 1830 who lived in Scotland who claimed she had a vision of the pre-trib rapture, and it was preached ever since as if it was from the scripture. This false security that Christians choose to believe in is the very thing Satan is counting on. Test what you hear against the Word, and learn the truth. Pray on it.
CandyStripes83 15 hours ago
Test everything. Do not simply take the word of man and assume that it is correct. Test everything you hear against the word, because the word is truth, and truth is Christ. Do not mix your own theories with that of the scripture. If you actually read the bible, God even warns you against adding extra "information" into the scripture---you will suffer the wrath of God for adding your own "information" along with His word. Do not take the word of Man as Truth, for it will be riddled with lies.
CandyStripes83 15 hours ago
You sir are INCORRECT. I am the prophet of Amos 3:7. JESUS WILL RETURN FOR HIS CHURCH THIS JEWISH NEW YEAR, according to the instruction gave to Moses in Ex. 12:1-2. HE WILL RETURN THE WEEK OF PASSOVER 2012!
SoReadyToGoHome 2 weeks ago
@ThunderKat2012 The rapture will occur... But not when you at claiming it will, read also Zechariah 14, we will be with him because he brings us to him at his second return right before the battle. This is so crystal clear, read the prophets and compare. Whether or not we will fight I'm not sure, it's possible. But it's very clear the rapture occurs on the DAY of the Lord, His revealing. What you also propose is a type of spiritual adultery for us to live with Christ before the wedding.
droptozro 2 weeks ago
@ThunderKat2012 They are the same event. Read Isaiah 65 and 66. Jesus is going to descend in like manner and we will descend with Him. He's a better off preaching than yourself who offers no scripture. Read 1 cor 15, 1 John 2:28, 2 thess 1 and ch 2, Matt 24 and 25 all show you clearly incorrect.. After the tribulation he will be revealed and us with him. Read rev 17:14 and 1 thess 4:15-17. We will descend with him to mount of olives.
droptozro 2 weeks ago
it just makes sense to believe in Pre trib rapture...God has placed Men of God among us for a reason. Dont be deceived by kitchen sink preachers.
ThunderKat2012 1 month ago
I think often christians confuse the rapture and jesus second coming...I know I use too. The rapture is not Jesus second coming. The rapture is christians meeting jesus in the air. We will be changed in the twinkling of the eye. God and sin cannot co exist so why would he leave us on earth changed among sinners. The second coming is Jesus leading all those who had been saved into combat with the anti christ and the Armys of earth. there are 1.5 billion christians on this earth at any given time
ThunderKat2012 1 month ago
If your a true christian you really have to wonder are you gonna believe Men of God like John C. McArthur, Billy Graham John Hagee and Chuck Swindol or bathroom and bedroom preachers...like this guy. Its a no brainer...
ThunderKat2012 1 month ago
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Evidence of the Rapture
Rev 19:14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
This is a description of the saints returning with Christ. If the rapture doesnt happen then how can we RETURN with Christ. They are also clothed which means they have to have a body.
ThunderKat2012 1 month ago
The way Pretrab rapture theorists get around these verses is to say, ''JESUS WAS SPEAKING ONLY TO THE JEWS'' As if Jesus prefers Gentiles over JEWS?
GodsSeer 2 months ago
Good stuff brother most people when they have been indoctrinated with a teaching cant handle (at first) the truth when it shatters there belief system, And some no matter how much truth you show them they love the Lie..But there all my brother's and sisters and one day we will find out for sure I just hope that when this all jump's off they have the faith to stand till the end..God bless
fatboysporty1 3 months ago
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The "RAPTURE" as it is being taught by the "blind guides" in the "churches of men" is false. There will be a GATHERING (A 2nd EXODUS:Isaiah 11, 65:9,22 &Jer. 30,31)
themanningsjdsjjj 3 months ago
we attract what we put focus on. In a town two people have different destinies inspite of living the same circumstances. Why? Because their believes determines the outcomes. My theory is that in rapture there is a displacement to another dimension through a transition between frequencies. That we literally will disappear in front of people due to a change in electromagnetic frequency, like jumping to another parallel unvierse or new earth. Just a theory of mine.
ENAIRAMA1 4 months ago
Dispensationalism is man-made false doctrine. So it the Immortal Soul doctrine and the eternal torment doctrine. It's all from Catholicism.
FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC You do not believe that Yahweh's Children will have eternal life?
8feetoflove 5 months ago
@8feetoflove The immortal soul doctrine means that all souls live forever - either in Hell or in Heaven. This is not Biblical. The Bible clearly teaches that the righteous inherit eternal life while the unrighteous are destroyed.
Immortality is conditional and is available only to the saved.
FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC OK, I wanted to be clear, I understand. Yes the bible says the wages of sin is death.
8feetoflove 5 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC I am the prophet spoken of in Amos 3:7.JESUS WILL BE BACK FOR HIS CHURCH THIS JEWISH NEW YEAR according to Ex. 12: 1-2. JESUS WILL RETURN THE WEEK OF PASSOVER 2012!
SoReadyToGoHome 2 weeks ago
I was wondering if you could do me a huge favor and explain the meaning of Luke 17:30-37. It seems as if Jesus was referencing to some type of rapture taking place.
4iamu 6 months ago
@4iamu Betrayal, are we not told we will be betrayed by our loved ones? Perhaps the ones taken away, are taken to camps. Remember, we can't just use one verse, if you watch my series Left Behind has Left you blind, there are endless scriptures that note that MANY who are Yahwehs children (a number which no man can count) will be tortured and killed.
8feetoflove 6 months ago
@8feetoflove. stopped the video when you started freaking out, the verses in Matthew are referring to people saved during the 7 yr Tribulation. Common sense and scriptures like Rev 3:10, John 14 , the bible is clear about the rapture happening and it makes most sense for prior to Trib. you dont want to believe it thats fine but dont call something a lie you're not sure on. It makes no sense for us to be raptured at the end and then come right back, the Trib is judgement which is not for saints
ButteWhat 3 months ago
Then you are reading the bible wrong. Simple as that.
CandyStripes83 15 hours ago
@4iamu Thank you for your view. I will continue to study and search the scriptures. To tell the truth, I don't know what to believe right now. All of this is so new and conflicting; some verses indicate that there will be a some type of pre-trib and others indicate their won't be. Either, It's very unclear! We must be very careful when preaching something of this nature. Meanwhile, I'm praying that the Lord will give me clarity and revelation concerning this very important subject. Bless you!
4iamu 6 months ago
@4iamu ,The verses in Lk17;30-37. Are NOT speaking of Saints being taken out, but of sinners. Who were taken away in the flood? NOT THE SAINTS.
GodsSeer 2 months ago
I agree that pre-trib rapture is probably false, and that teaching it as biblical truth when it's not mentioned specifically that way in the bible is dangereous. We were not promised an easy time on earth. We were told we'd be persecuted for being followers of Jesus, and that we'd be mocked, and imprisoned, and killed for the testimony of Jesus. Many of us who see the tribulation will die violent deaths at the hands of our coming one world government, labeled as terrorists.
lulzrawr2010 6 months ago
TRUE...LOOK AT THE CHRISTIANS BEING PERSECUTED AND KILLED WORLDWIDE...are the pre-trib believers worthy of better?
seaneire 7 months ago
Satan uses the rapture to deceive christians into thinking 'they got left behind'.
Satan is very smart. Be humble and love much.
DuncanDonuts3 7 months ago
Itrust the word of Elohim...and you speck truth in this video many blessings brother
terryrf60 7 months ago
The BEST and I mean BEST video that is on youtube that tells the truth about the ORIGIN if the pre-trib rapture idea ( it was NOT taught by the early church, not by the apostles, not by the reformationists in the 1500's, nor by ANYONE until the 1800's!! Birthed from the minds of the Jesuits to counter the reformation's identification of the cath.church w/ the Whore of Babylon) is called "Origins of the Pre-tribulation rapture doctrine" uploaded by martinthezman. CHECK IT OUT, if u want TRUTH!
talitakoomi 8 months ago
@TheKJVberean I can read Hebrew so I am not going to argue with you. This is an easily researched fact. Yahweh/God Bless, in Yahshua/Jesus name.
8feetoflove 9 months ago
@TheKJVberean I would suggest just watching the series left behind has left you blind on my channel. The Name Yahweh is the original Hebrew Name God gave us to call Him, Yahshua is Jesus' real name. Jesus, is a very rough english translation, and would more accurately be Joshua, IF you were to try to translate. I do not believe in this, He was Hebrew born to Mary of the Holy Spirit, and not Latin Jesus is a Latin name, which is how the translation came about. All of this is 100% researchable
8feetoflove 9 months ago
Matthew 24 plainly states how we christians will be brought before counsels and government and BE KILLED.....its not hard to understand.....Fear NOT those who can kill the body.....FEAR GOD who can cast your soul into HELL.......Christ saved you from hell.....THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH....
DallasTheGreat28 9 months ago
I'm leaning towards pre-trib rapture because God's wrath is not for those under the blood of Jesus. Moreover in the New Age they say of a rapture of Christians. They explain it away with some new age drivel connected with UFOs/Aliens which are really demonic manifestations.
vizion24 9 months ago
I believe Christians will be persecuted and suffer before the great tribulation. I don't know how much of the tribulation believers will go thrue, but those that are raptured will be part of the second coming of Christ. (Armageddon). In what ever order or exactly how this is going to happen is a mystery to me, but bottom line. Christians are going to suffer, and they will glorify God. Anybody who wishes they were alive to be raptured, are fools, unless they are willing to be persecuted.
nestorap 9 months ago
Thank you so much for posting this! God Bless!
maidenkid84 10 months ago
@valhallamayne
you believe Jesus has returned already and destroyed the wicked already?
Myhopeisinhim 10 months ago
@valhallamayne
does that mean you believe in a pre-trib rapture?
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim NO. Matthew 24 is a Jesus telling his disciples when they ask him about the Temple. All the synoptic gospels have this account and Jesus makes a promise that all these things will come to pass before this generation passes away. (Matt. 24:34) The Greek word is "genea" not race "genos". The footnotes in Bibles deceive people. So either Jesus is lying or the church is deceived. There is no Rapture and anyone who exegetical studies will see that it is a lie from evil men.
ValhallaMaYnE 11 months ago
@ValhallaMaYnE
I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture myself. The majority of the prophecies in matthew 24 are about the end times just prior to his return, and not immediately within their particular generation.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Jesus said all of these things will come to pass before this generation passes away. His return is far off in the future, but the end of the age is a reference to the end of the Jewish system. We are living in the millennium (not a literal thousand years). The Book of Revelation is a letter that John wrote to the 7 churches in Asia (Real Churches) and promised that these things are soon to pass and names himself as a fellow partaker. We have nothing to worry about. God Bless.
ValhallaMaYnE 11 months ago
You would think the desire to go through the tribulation would be as popular as the desire to jump into a pit filled with vipers and broken glass. As illogical as it may seem, there appears to be a large number of Christians that fully expect to get roughed up before Christ returns.
Many Christians argue strongly for the right to suffer persecution at the hands of the Antichrist and the one world government. "Because Jesus and His disciples suffered persecution, we should expect no better."
Bhatch2007 11 months ago
@Bhatch2007 Watch my video series, Left Behind has left You Blind, The Bible is CLEAR that we will suffer, and be here, it is not about what is popular, but what is written, no matter how unpopular, Jesus says Remember if the world hates you they hated me first. The POPULAR opinion is that of the WORLD, The Written Truth is that of the kingdom. Please watch the video Series I listed, it is full of scripture on the matter, Yahweh Bless.
8feetoflove 11 months ago
@Bhatch2007
There is a very strong pull in a believer to accept the pre-trib rapture because its a doctrine that tickles the ears. I mean who doesn't wanna believe they'll escape all there is to come. I mean its like putting a person at a fork in the road...both roads lead to the same place, but one you have to climb a mountain, and the other is a path that requires no work, I can't imagine anyone who wouldn't want to take the easy path.
It's in our nature to take the easy way out.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim True, but do we have any say so in the matter?
Bhatch2007 11 months ago
Is it any coincidence that John Darby's pre-trib rapture theory had its birth place in England and quickly spread to America, the two most influential and prosperous superpowers on earth at that time to this day? nations whose reach and influence is felt the world over? I dont think so. Satan knew this false doctrine would take hold quickly in these nations and be spread even further because of their far reaching influence. he knows what he's doing
cg7seas 1 year ago
@cg7seas AMEN!!!
8feetoflove 1 year ago
i understand and respect your frustration becuz satan has fooled the very elect of God into believing they will escape tribulation.. folks did the apostle paul escape it did peter escape it many centuries of people dieing for christ its real.... we r in tribulation folks have faith in yeshua in these times of trouble upon the earth...
tbear674 1 year ago
@tbear674 Amen.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
Anyone who believes in the Rapture, the Anti-Christ, or The beast is about to appear is heavily deceived, the church has terribly messed things up. The Rapture is a brutal lie brought on by a need for Jesus to come back and deal with our problems cause somehow we can't. I am an avid anti-rapturist and I simply reading the bible in context will disprove a lot current teachings in the church.
ValhallaMaYnE 1 year ago
@ValhallaMaYnE
You don't believe the bible mentions an antichrist?
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim Not conclusively as ONE MAN, not how the media/movies portray it anyway, it says MANY will come, not just ONE. We could easily be talking about a group or spirit, or else the woman who rides upon the beast would also be a literal woman. My point is pray that the holy spirit guides you, that you be not deceived, and don't believe everything the TV portrays to be truth. There is a LITERAL man of Sin, but MANY ANTICHRISTS WILL COME IN CHRISTS NAME. Yahweh Bless.
8feetoflove 11 months ago
@8feetoflove
Its true, many will have the spirit of the antichrist, but I believe the bible connects the man of sin, who is to come, as the antichrist.
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim The reason I mentioned it in such a way is there for months, Maitreya (yet to be conclusively seen) was THE Antichrist, Obama was THE Antichrist, and so on, with many other people, and there is a definite MAN OF SIN, who will embrace this ANTICHRIST nature, but there are many ANTI- Christs. I felt people were too quick to embrace a worldy view on this concept and apply mans principles to identifying this "Person".
8feetoflove 11 months ago
@8feetoflove
Each generation has its own anti-christ, eh, or so people call them, and many still yet with the spirit of the antichrist. I completely agree:)
Myhopeisinhim 11 months ago
@Myhopeisinhim The Bible does mention the spirit of the anti-christ, I mere 5 times in the entire gospel, The subject gets way too much attention considering that anyone who does they're homework can see that it is talking about the early church Gnostic movement and the fact that the Hebrews were also denying the Jesus in the Messiah. Troubling as it seems, this video and most people on the subject of eschatology are very deceived.
ValhallaMaYnE 11 months ago
The first thing Jesus said Is " Do not be deceived." DECEPTION IS GOING THE MAIN THING.
PRE-RAPTURE IS A LIE!
Dawitness11 1 year ago 2
@Dawitness11 Amen
8feetoflove 1 year ago
By Pre Tribulation do you mean Mid Trib?
Because there is only a 7 year Covenant mentioned, which is broken in the middle, then the Beast rules for 42 months which is Great Tribulation.
So you figure the Flight for Israel is not a Rapture?
markfriesen1979 1 year ago
@markfriesen1979 No, because the word rapture is never mentioned in the bible. I would invite you to watch my video series, Left Behind has Left you Blind I believe 1-4.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
Christ appearance is in Revelation 6:16, during the 6th Seal. The 7th seal brings the 7 trumpets.
Christ's Kingdom comes at the end of the 7 years, yet we see his appearance is well before this!
2 Timothy 4:1, we have his Appearance and his Kingdom.
It's a Lie to say Christ doesn't appear, as the Wrath of the LAMB in Revelation 6:16.
Its a lie to call the Tribulation is 7 years, because there is a 7 year Covenant, and that is broken in the middle, then Great Tribulation for 42 months (Rev13:5)
markfriesen1979 1 year ago
@markfriesen1979 Most of this is updated in Left Behind has Left you Blind.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
pls watch my vid on the Rapture. There is sufficient Scripture on it. And if you haven't heard about those three prophetesses then obviously you do not have God's work in your life. Or maybe you haven't been praying??
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow: So your video and 3 people are now truth over the Living Word of YHWH? Sorry, but you bare false witness so your fruit is clear. How dare you make such a claim that someone does not have Creator due to not knowing of some man. For you will be judged by the same small stick. Typical christian with no knowledge, just as Isaiah 45:20 states. No fruit of the spirit, Gal 5:22-23. If this is how you speak to a minister on the web, I'd hate to see how you treat them in person.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@QuietBuck You're not a minister. You're a false teacher. And you're the one who is teaching doctrines contradictory to the Word. Jesus spoke through those three people and their message spoke to me. I won't be surprised to hear you do not have God's work in your life.
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow: Are you Father to state I am not a minister (Num 30:2)? Your evidence that I am a false teacher is (Ex 20:16)? Please show where I teach anything BUT the Word (Ps 119:105). Your understanding is greater than the Word (Pro 3:5)? Being I give 50+ hrs a wk freely, take no donations, tithe, gifts. Assist elderly, homeless, setting up a safe house. Live in poverty, gave up my $.7 mill co. & work minimum wage (James 1:27, Luke 16:13). My fruit speaks for itself. (Pro 15:3, Rom 13:1)
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow:
1Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for YHWH resisteth the proud, and giveth favour to the humble.
1Timothy 5:1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@QuietBuck You're not a minister. You teach false doctrines. The Bible itself has many verses that teaches us to shake the dust off our feet if someone had rejected our pleadings. And to NOT give anything to the evil, as Jesus communicated this fact to us in a form of parables. The verses you have above is IF you are one of the Church, and since you do not believe in a Rapture, you're not part of it and thus, you have utterly no hope. I won't be coming back anyway - shaking the dust off my feet!
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow: Again, you have no right to claim I am not a minister. Sadly you take that judgment upon yourself. Yes, scripture is full of verses. Such as obey, submit and listen unto ministers, not obey, listen and not rebuke elders, to be humble to all, to not strive, bicker, not bare false witness, not to lie, deceive, hear-say. Yes scripture states to dust feet if one does not listen to the Word, I quote the Word. Why do you fail the law openly? 2John 1:9.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow: You have made a claim 2 times, that I am not a minister. Please provide your evidence, documents or anything you have. Otherwise in public you bared false witness. I can easily prove my fruit and is open for all to see.
Proverbs 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear YHWH, and depart from evil.
Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of YHWH are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
Those of you who are pretribbers like jakethesnakerobertz1 and receivejesusnow, better be listening with a pure heart. Jesus won't return until IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION AT THE LAST TRUMPET!!! DUH!!!!! OUR SAVIOR SAID THAT!!!!!! HE NEVER DID SAY HE WAS COMING BEFORE. HE SAID AFTER!!!! SO READ YOUR BIBLES ALOT HARDER!!!!
iwanttobeajesusfreak 1 year ago
@8feetoflove Homosexuality has nothing to do with the pre trib rapture period. how can you compare the two?
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1 It wasn't obvious? Both beliefs, A that the Pretribulation Rapture exists, and B that Homosexuality is OK, are proven so by taking scripture out of context, to fit our own personal desire, and not The Word as it was given. I compare the 2 because false doctrine is false doctrine. And both call God/Yahweh a liar.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@8feetoflove rapture scriptures are as follows.Romans 5:9, 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9, Romans 2:5-9, Revelation 6:16,17
The Rapture must occur before the Antichrist is revealed, which is before the Tribulation Week:
2 Thessalonians 2:6,7, Daniel 7:24; 9:27
These scriptures show the concealing/rapture of the saints, followed by the "Day of the Lord":
Malachi 3:16-4:1, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:4
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1: There is no rapture and your use of passages do not prove your point at all. To remove the righteous means Proverbs 10:30 alone lied. Yes we are kept from the wrath, but we are not removed, but lead through it. Just like Noah was lead through the flood, Moses was lead through the desert and sea. Father never changes.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@QuietBuck Again Mind your business. when you are left behind just remember the false teachers you Listened to.
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1: Mind your business is not a biblical answer unto a minister. Specially when scripture is blatently clear you to obey, submit and listen. Why do you openly fail the Messiah's doctrine? If I am wrong in no rapture, no foul for I would still leave. If I am right on no rapture, I am prepared for the trib, yet you are not. In turn, YOU become the GREAT FALLING AWAY that is predicted. For you will then believe the book, the Word and all you have heard was a lie.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1: I sent you multiple series on the Rapture using scripture. Please sit, with scripture, and follow along, study. If you are so faithful in what you believe you will easily sit and watch. If you cannot, then that should tell you that you are holding onto a lie and do not wish to have it exposed. Trust me, I was there was a rapture, make my job as a minister a WHOLE heck of a lot easier. But sadly there is no free ticket out, for this is home, always will be.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@QuietBuck John 17:15
Reading this in context is a prayer DIRECTED to the APOSTLES
Read vers 12
WHILE I WAS WITH THEM IN THE WORLD, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
NOW see a difference when Jesus changes his prayer and directs it towards future saints in Vers 20
& in Vers 24
Jesus ask the Father for US to be with him where he is. Sounds like a Pre-Trib Rapture to me.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
@MinWilliamJosephWWM: Yes, to be with him, and where is he?
John 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified IN THEM. (don't forget end of 17:11 either)
So since we are here, and he is IN US, he is here, so no rapture.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into the Messiah have PUT ON THE MESSIAH.
Proverbs 18:13.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@QuietBuck
Where is Jesus
John 14:1-3 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Hebrews 4:14 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, ...
We r taken to be where He is at. Where does He go To his Fathers house- Where? Heaven.
Acts 1:11
John 14:1-3
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
@MinWilliamJosephWWM: We already saw where Messiah is in 17:10, IN US, why are you ignoring that and going elsewhere? And where is the temple of Elohim? But US again. Typical hypocrite move, bush beating to try to prove their lying point yet never just grasping and reading what is before them.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@QuietBuck You are partially right and partially wrong. Where is Heaven?
Acts 1:11 (King James Version) 11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
what i find funny about those who say there is no rapture. what are they going to do when the church is pre raptured? the church is not destined to go thru it. God will rapture his true church. the new christians that are left behind are the ones who will endure persecution and tribulation. the rapture is not false. you are not reading the scriptures correctly
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1 Are you calling the word of God a lie?
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@8feetoflove I Am not going to Debate this with you Anti pretrib haters. for one you have not read the scriptures correctly. you twist matthew 24. jesus is talking about Israel when he says the days will be cut short
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1 What I find funny is how PRETRIBERS, think that those of us who are born again and covered by the Blood of Yahshua?Christ assume we will be left behind if we do not agree with the time of Christs return. You are either covered in the blood, or you are not. And you find it funny? Funny if people are left behind. Well, I guess we will know them by their fruit. And The Pretrib IS false, YOU are not reading the scriptures at all. I will pray for you.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@8feetoflove what i find funny is the fact that there are 15 scriptures that prove it
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1: And as a minister I can show you more than 15 that disprove it. Proverbs 10:27-30 is clear enough for a babe to read. John 17:14-17 the Messiah himself asks for us not to be removed. And Ezekiel 13:20 Father Himself states how He hates this false rapture. Fora rapture to occur, Zechariah 13:9, Malachi 4:3 among other passages cannot come true. Please sit with a concordance and at least define 1Thess 4:17. Realize it is not what you think, but a repeat of Exodus and Deut.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1 quote of MAN "the church is not destined to go thru it". Now lets quote TRUTH.
Zechariah 13:9
And I will BRING THE THIRD PART THROUGH THE FIRE, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, YHWH is my Elohim.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
You can either suffer and be persecuted and killed for Jesus, or you can suffer in the lake of fire. That is your choice.
iwanttobeajesusfreak 1 year ago
The "pretribulation rapture" is a lie from the pit of hell, YOu show me in the Bible where it talks about that Jesus will return at anytime and then 7 years of hell on earth, I can't find it. I'm willing to suffer and be persecuted and die for Jesus!!! I'm a posttribber. All of you pretribbers need to study the Bible more. God Bless!!! Jesus will return IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION!!!!
iwanttobeajesusfreak 1 year ago
@iwanttobeajesusfreak Amen.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@iwanttobeajesusfreak thats false
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@iwanttobeajesusfreak show me that it is not? JESUS IS CLEARLY TALKING TO ISRAEL AND THE JEWS NOT THE CHURCH. THE CHURCH IS IN HEAVEN. EXPLAIN WHY THE CHURCH IS NOT MENTIONED AFTER REVELATION 6? YOU CAN'T CAN YOU. THE CHURCH IS IN HEAVEN
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1 Why wont you watch the video series, I quote ton of scripture? left behind has Left You Blind, Because you can't contest The Word, you believe what you believe not out of faith, you believe it out of fear.If you had faith, you would have faith in Yahweh's word, that we will not be removed, and that after the tribulation we are "Changed", and that all things will be made new. But you have not Faith, for your fear. because of this you believe a lie, and study no further.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@8feetoflove i have no fear of anything but god. second i do fear. i fear that through your Book you have Deceived many people. you are Another false teacher. and a false prophet who is Deceived countless people. i am going to block you and your followers. as i blocked lovelyhealing who is another false teacher. your new name should be 8feeedslies. because you are feeding lies to people who Don't know anybetter. your just trying to sell your stupid book. your just another false prophet and liar
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1
NO!!!! NO!!!!! NO!!!! NO!!!!!! You are missing what we are telling you. Please quit twisting the scriptures around. Jesus won't return for His Church until IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION, AT THE LAST TRUMP!!!! Stay away from these false ministers, like Firecharger, Tim Lahaye, the left behind series and others.
iwanttobeajesusfreak 1 year ago
@iwanttobeajesusfreak Mind your business. i know what i am talking about
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1
Mind your business?????? Look who's talking now. I don't see that in the Bible. I would rather be killed for my faith in Jesus, than take the ugly mark of the beast. Show me in the Bible where it talks about 7 years of hell after the "Rapture" because I don't see it. You will stay here during the tribulation and see if you will take the mark of the beast or not. It's your choice.
iwanttobeajesusfreak 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1
By the way, I hate your username because it has the word snake in it. So I encourage you to change it please. Thanks!!!
iwanttobeajesusfreak 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1: Though shall not bare false witness, Ex 20:16. Though shall do righteous judgment, Jn 7:24. Being you judge on appearance & baring false witness, Is 5:20. You block people as they teach light, truth, scripture, Jn 3:20. Resorting to name calling? Heb 12:14, Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27, Rom 13:10.
As you see, you are the one that does not know any better, for you are the one failing the law, 2Jn 1:9. A minister has spoken unto you, Heb 13:7, 13:17, Rom 13:4-7, 1Tim 5:1.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@QuietBuck Mind your business. i blocked him because he is teaching false doctrine.
jakethesnakerobertz1 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1: And you are baring false witness, doing improper judging, calling good evil, hating upon thy brother, ignoring the Living Word. Even your fruit is that of brutishness and thorns. Yet you claim you know and follow scripture, the Messiah? Can you not see your own ignorance before you?
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@jakethesnakerobertz1
When you tell someone to mind their own business, is that being Christian. I don't think so. You don't know what you are talking about. If you take the mark of the beast, you will go to the lake of fire forever. No Second Chances after that my friend.
iwanttobeajesusfreak 1 year ago
If pretrib is "biblical truth" then why has Yet anyone anywhere not been able to answer my questions about the scriptures I posted that thoroughly refute the pretrib Philosophy. Someone is lying.
I know the frustration 8feetoflove, because you want Truth and it means the world to you. And the countless game playing Minions who are on an assignment to Provoke you with their filthy heretical pretrib lie are outnumbering truth seekers. The pretribers are bound in delusional & darkness. So so sad
zobcity01 1 year ago
Power suits are awesome, especially when their only 16 bucks.
Pjaynes781 1 year ago
@Pjaynes781 LOL
8feetoflove 1 year ago
who said the Lord is going to reveal Himself only one time?
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow He did.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
Do not criticise the Word of God please. Okay.... my proof is three true prophetesses: Choo Thomas, Cynthia Judd and Janet Canela. The Rapture is pre-trib!!!
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow: If you wish not to critize the Word of YHWH. Why then are you listening to 3 clay creations instead of the Word of YHWH? Did not that Word state to let no man aka clay creation, deceive you? If these 3 are such greatp prophetesses, they why, as a minister, have I never heard of them? Maybe cause they are not truth? There is no pre trib rapture, there is no post trib rapture and there is no rapture at all. To believe you leave this earth means but 1 thing, you are a tare.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
@receivejesusnow I am Cynthia Judd and I absolutely DO NOT ENDORSE THE PRE TRIB rapture theory. I don't know where you're getting your facts from, receivejewsusnow, but in no way have I ever endorsed this false doctrine, and I ask you not to associate my name with it anymore. In fact, I have partnered on YouTube with a brother whose whole channel is dedicated to debunking this false theology. Check it out: His handle on YT is arovir and his channel is called Last Days Detective. Thank you.
Mark13vs37 9 months ago
@Mark13vs37 sad to hear that o.o
receivejesusnow 4 months ago
Coming in the clouds :) thats about the second coming, not the rapture. There are 2 events, rapture and second coming :) you were reading the second coming event. I hope you will re-read end times event to see the difference.
redhatguru 1 year ago
@redhatguru Watch my video series Left Behind has left you blind, it is PACKED full of scripture on this subject.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@redhatguru: Coming in the clouds.... please open a Concordance and realize this is not what you assume it as. There is no puffy clouds nor is there a Jesus man coming on the clouds. But a repeat of Ex and Deut of the Pillar of Fire on the ground, in the doors.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
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Coming in the clouds :) thats about the second coming, not the rapture. There are 2 events, rapture and second coming :) you were reading the second coming event. I hope you will re-read end times event to see the difference.
redhatguru 1 year ago
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Coming in the clouds :) thats about the second coming, not the rapture. There are 2 events, rapture and second coming :) you were reading the second coming event. I hope you will re-read end times event to see the difference.
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redhatguru 1 year ago
There is no pre trib rapture many are being deceived by a false doctrine. Jesus said he comes immediately after the tribulation.
posttribnetwork 1 year ago
Brother satan has placed a blindfold on your eyes, The Bible is clear about the pretrib rapture please message me and I will provide info needed to remove the blindfold
4everjesusrules 1 year ago
@4everjesusrules That is unnecessary, Watch my video Left Behind has Left You Blind. Because I provide scripture in it That straight up refutes it. I simply will not argue this issue, The bible tells us very plainly. the only way to see it any other way is to take scripture out of context. Anyway, watch the video series, and then decide.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@4everjesusrules The Pre Trib rapture is Biblical Truth.
MinWilliamJosephWWM 1 year ago
@MinWilliamJosephWWM The Bible straight up says it is not.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@MinWilliamJosephWWM: Biblical truth? Lets read some shall we?
John 17:14-17
I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.I pray NOT that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Yes, thy Word is truth and thy Word states we are not leaving.
QuietBuck 1 year ago
If rapture does happen if will only happen to those who are the most innocent, and sin-less. That to me means the small children, ones who've been baptized but have not had a chance to sin yet. For the rest of us, the only thing left is to pray that we may also go to heaven. In my case it is unlikely that I will be accepted, but it doesn't matter. I'd still rather spend my last days standing up for God, while I am still alive, than to be on the side with those who hate God.
creepyandweird9 1 year ago
@creepyandweird9 AMEN BROTHER!!!
8feetoflove 1 year ago
Romans 11:28 describes the election
andrewprofit 1 year ago
1 Thes 4:16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Why would we go to him in the clouds if we are going to live forever on a new earth?
Rev 7:1 144,000 sealed jews
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@andrewprofit: Define what you read, study, just as 2Tim 2:15 states you are to do.
As you see from 1Thess 4, things are not as you assume in reading.
Clouds G3507
the cloud which led the Israelites in the wilderness
Air G109
the air, particularly the lower and denser air as distinguished from the higher and rarer air
QuietBuck 1 year ago
Thanks for the video!!
Venustarr 1 year ago
There's one thing I just want to point out. If there's no pre-tribulation rapture then why does the Bible say that we should pray that we be counted worthy to escape the things that will come to pass?
hoopz2598 1 year ago
@hoopz2598 First of all I really would like you to watch my video series Left Behind has Left you blind WAY MORE BIBLICAL PROOF. #2. People don't seem to be aware that there are 2 sides to the Trib. It is a war between Yahweh and Satan, Yahweh will punish the wicked, and the Antichrist Persecutes the Righteous, i.e the beheadings and such.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@hoopz2598 Pray that we are worthy to escape means just that, to come out of the world and as for a times time and half a time we are sheltered until we are finally called, this will be "Around" 3 1/2 years into the tribulation.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
Pt 2 In II Thessalonians 2:1-4, Paul said that the coming of the Lord and our gathering together unto him what is called the" rapture" that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and the man of sin, son of perdition, the Antichrist be revealed. Once the antichrist is revealed, Jesus will come for His saints before the great tribulation (last half). Good video!
Lacybunny 1 year ago
@Lacybunny AMEN!
8feetoflove 1 year ago
Just stating my opinion. I no longer debate on this subject. I was brought up to believe in pre-trib but after studying the Bible closely, I know longer believe it. Jesus said in Matthew 24:3-11 & 29-31 & in Mark 13:24-27 that he comes immediately AFTER the tribulation and not before. Cont...
Lacybunny 1 year ago
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8feetoflove 1 year ago
I am sorry did I read this right? you said " The visions were that I am Messiah" Do you mean you had visions you were God?
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@8feetoflove The visions i have are that i am a special prophet called potentate in the book of timothy. That is to say "The returned Jesus" by the way people intemperate the bible. I am returned but not Jesus my name was changed to Beaucilanimous, I gathered the First Fruits in 2001 the day after the 6th day started in 2000. I am potentate "prince" of God but await His Advent on the seventh Day but have narrowed the day to possibly 2017 I have so much information and prophecy to discuss
Beaucilanimous 1 year ago
@Beaucilanimous You believe you are Jesus? You have a demon.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@8feetoflove Can you help me if i have a demon or am crazy at least i am asking for help. I don't wish to be possessed and i know i am not evil.
Beaucilanimous 1 year ago
@Beaucilanimous Indeed brother, I will pray for you, in the mean time, make sure you have nothing of Idolatry in your house, statues of other gods, pornography, drugs, or anything that causes you to stumble, and above all else Pray for Forgiveness, and that Yahweh would cleanse you of all unrighteousness, and drive away all evil forces from your life.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@8feetoflove Thanks, that is probably why i get a crazy check anyway, I am on disability for a head injury. It make me real nice and all i want to do mostly is bible study and give the poor people all the help i can find to give them. hey I have a question any way I was looking at some peoples websites in the past and i stumble on a group from Wichita KS. My family is from Tribune and Leoti I sure would like to talk to folks from home.
Beaucilanimous 1 year ago
This group you are talking about are tribulation saints they are different than that bride.
Abbershay 1 year ago
Now I am really going to throw you for a loop .. I am actually a post trib rapture believer but i do accept the fact that i could be wrong. I do side with a lot of pre trib theory but i choose the post trib theories for several reasons. The most important being, I believe it is highly possible that the Pre-trib rapture doctrine may be instrumental in destroying the faith of many Christians when they are not raptured away before serious catastrophes begin.
thecosmichippo 1 year ago
Imagine the bewilderment and heart-crushing disappointment if you are a pre-trib rapture Christian who survives a nuclear attack. Questioning why the rapture never happened one would most likely start to fatally doubt the Bible itself, thinking like some, that it is not true.
thecosmichippo 1 year ago
100% true brother.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
And finally brother .. During the Millennial Kingdom there will be natural farming, building, and child-bearing (Is.65:20-25). If the rapture and the second coming occur together, then all believers go to be with Christ leaving only unbelievers. Unbelievers cannot enter the Kingdom of God (Jn.3:5). An interval between the rapture and the second coming allows for people to be saved, and in their natural bodies enter the kingdom.
thecosmichippo 1 year ago
cont... An interval of time between the rapture and the second coming of Christ is necessary for the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb to take place. The Judgment of the Gentiles takes place after Christ returns. If the rapture occurs at the same time as the 2nd coming, all believers ("sheep" Mt.25) would be removed; leaving only unbelievers ("goats", Mt.25). There would not be any separation of the sheep and goat because there would only be goats.
thecosmichippo 1 year ago
A few final thoughts; When Christ comes for His church, He comes alone (1Th.4:16-17 "the Lord Himself shall descend"). At His second coming He comes with the angels all the way to the earth to reign (Mt.25:31). There are some who are "alive and remain" at the rapture (1Th.4:13-18). Antichrist will slay those who do not worship him (Re.13:7-8, 14-15; 16:2; 19:20-21; 20:4), which would not leave many alive through the GT.
Pauls epistles do not warn the church that she will go through the GT.
thecosmichippo 1 year ago
Satan persecutes the "woman" who is Israel (Rev.12) during the 70th week. The church must be removed because, as the body of Christ, she would more likely to be persecuted than Israel. The Great Tribulation is a time of Gods wrath upon Israel (Je.30:6-7; Zec.13:8-9; Is.60:2; Lu.18:8)
These few references I have provided should illustrate that the tribulation is for unbelieving Israel - NOT the Church.
thecosmichippo 1 year ago
With all due respect; I think your aggressive stance on the topic is a little too pompous. Let's look at some of the scripture you reviewed in context - Passages such as Matt 24:1-31 and Mark 13:14 were spoken to the disciples as representatives of the Jewish nation not the church. The setting is in Judea.
The abomination is setup in Jerusalem.
They were to pray that their flight is NOT on the Sabbath (Mt.24:20), which the church (7th Day Advents notwithstanding) does not celebrate. cont...
thecosmichippo 1 year ago
Brother I want to speak with love and ask for your comment to reply. God gave the sun to rule the day. Jesus is the morning star. The Sun dawns in the morning, it comes after the evening and night which is governed by the moon and stars. Jews before Jesus believed they were the moons representative. In Genesis the evening and morning are the first day, first Jew then Christian, a type. I have a group at Google groups-the return of the messiah- I am Him please join
Your brother in Love Bucy
Beaucilanimous 1 year ago
I can't locate this group, sorry.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
Part 2 This darkening during the tribulation refers to the apostasy of both churches while Jesus walks as potentate on earth in the flesh. Book of Timothy read 1 cor. 14 32-36 and see that women are apostasy (in disobedience to commandment of God and you can see the sun and stars darkened. I have a group at Google groups-the return of the messiah- I am Him please join
Your brother in Love Bucy.
Beaucilanimous 1 year ago
Brother, I don't know if I read this right, but WOMAN are not singled out for apostasy. In fact I have found MANY woman who are true worshippers, and few men. In fact a complete opposite truth has been revealed to me.
8feetoflove 1 year ago
@8feetoflove cool, i found you again i have been looking for you to post to but my posts often don't post. i saw you you tube prophecy and i want to ask you if we are being attacked and deceived by the beast why do you disagree with the commandment for church worship. it is a sign that displays potentate.
You state the church is teaching lies yet you disagree with the false teacher?
please don't take offence i need input i am new to organised church.
Beaucilanimous 1 year ago
What is a Church? It is a group of believers who fellowship together. As I do with many. My house is my church, A building has no power, ONLY YAHWEH (GOD) has POWER.
The bible is clear that church becomes corrupt in the end times. A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH YAHSHUA (JESUS) That is What HE desires. I spent many years in church, in many different churches, God was not there, HE was in my heart. You don't need Church you need true worship and fellowship THAT IS REAL CHURCH, Continued.....
8feetoflove 1 year ago
The problem is peoples understanding of WHAT church is, they ALWAYS seek physical (A building) when God ALWAYS teaches Spiritual (Your Heart) Matthew 18:20- For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." I will be HAPPY to go to a church once I find one that professes the truth, I actually always look for church although I live in a small town now, and have no more options, Continued...
8feetoflove 1 year ago