(1) PROHIBITION ON FEES FOR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES OR SERVICES.--The Secretary shall not charge any standard amenity recreation fee or expanded amenity recreation fee for Federal recreational lands and waters administered by the Bureau of Land Management, the Forest Service, or the Bureau of Reclamation under this Act for any of the following: (A) Solely for parking, undesignated parking, or picnicking along roads or trailsides.
@guadalupeboy Yes, but you left out the part of the decision that states that states that WHEN ameneties like picnic tables and bathrooms are present the FS can charge a fee. That is what I stated below.
When the RRRD finishes installing the picnic tables/bathrooms at trailheads the forest service will have fulfilled the courts ruling. RR Pass will be required and enforced at those locations. US v Smith was won on a technicality. The Court DID NOT rule that the RR Pass, in all aspects was "illegal" merely non-conforming. There is a big difference. This was the same "technicality" type of ruling that made the Outfiller guide permits usesless for a couple year. This was overturned as well!
Pass dollar allocation percentages (the ones given in this video) are about 40 percent short of 100. This comes in at around 3 minutes and is repeated several times.
The illegal status of the pass was ruled last fall in US v Smith. The law (and the court's ruling) are specific. The Forest Service can charge for entrance to visitor centers, developed campgrounds and developed day use areas. However, the Forest Service is prohibited from imposing fees for parking and/or access to public land.
I agree with @guadalupeboy - this is a wonderful example of the misinformation and propaganda being fed to people to try and preserve their economic interests in the Red Rock Pass. USFS has separate budgets for road and trail maintenance. And 50% of fees collected in fee machines are going to the private fee machine vendor. The RRP money is being used to promote tourism in Sedona not preserve the natural resources. The Pass is ILLEGAL! And we don't need rocks in prisons to show us where to walk!
Ninety-five percent of the fees collected don't go back to maintaining the area (the percentages in the video come to about 60%). Where's the other 40%? The trash collection shots were somewhere other than Sedona? A plateau area with many pine trees, perhaps somewhere near Flagstaff? Equating visitor numbers of the entire Coconino NF to be the same as the Red Rock area is knowingly incorrect.
Lots of pretty pictures of an illegally contrived ENTRANCE FEE program is still lipstick on a pig.
(1) PROHIBITION ON FEES FOR CERTAIN ACTIVITIES OR SERVICES.--The Secretary shall not charge any standard amenity recreation fee or expanded amenity recreation fee for Federal recreational lands and waters administered by the Bureau of Land Management, the Forest Service, or the Bureau of Reclamation under this Act for any of the following: (A) Solely for parking, undesignated parking, or picnicking along roads or trailsides.
guadalupeboy 7 months ago
@guadalupeboy Yes, but you left out the part of the decision that states that states that WHEN ameneties like picnic tables and bathrooms are present the FS can charge a fee. That is what I stated below.
SedonaMTB 6 months ago
When the RRRD finishes installing the picnic tables/bathrooms at trailheads the forest service will have fulfilled the courts ruling. RR Pass will be required and enforced at those locations. US v Smith was won on a technicality. The Court DID NOT rule that the RR Pass, in all aspects was "illegal" merely non-conforming. There is a big difference. This was the same "technicality" type of ruling that made the Outfiller guide permits usesless for a couple year. This was overturned as well!
SedonaMTB 8 months ago
Pass dollar allocation percentages (the ones given in this video) are about 40 percent short of 100. This comes in at around 3 minutes and is repeated several times.
The illegal status of the pass was ruled last fall in US v Smith. The law (and the court's ruling) are specific. The Forest Service can charge for entrance to visitor centers, developed campgrounds and developed day use areas. However, the Forest Service is prohibited from imposing fees for parking and/or access to public land.
guadalupeboy 8 months ago
Cjwilm and Guadalupeboy, What are your sources of RR Pass allocation and the "Illegal" status of the Pass? Right you have none.
SedonaMTB 8 months ago
I agree with @guadalupeboy - this is a wonderful example of the misinformation and propaganda being fed to people to try and preserve their economic interests in the Red Rock Pass. USFS has separate budgets for road and trail maintenance. And 50% of fees collected in fee machines are going to the private fee machine vendor. The RRP money is being used to promote tourism in Sedona not preserve the natural resources. The Pass is ILLEGAL! And we don't need rocks in prisons to show us where to walk!
cjwilm 8 months ago
Ninety-five percent of the fees collected don't go back to maintaining the area (the percentages in the video come to about 60%). Where's the other 40%? The trash collection shots were somewhere other than Sedona? A plateau area with many pine trees, perhaps somewhere near Flagstaff? Equating visitor numbers of the entire Coconino NF to be the same as the Red Rock area is knowingly incorrect.
Lots of pretty pictures of an illegally contrived ENTRANCE FEE program is still lipstick on a pig.
guadalupeboy 8 months ago