Psychiatrist exposes immoral tactics of medium Gordon Smith

[wks1978]

Who are psychiatrists to be preaching morality?

[richter75]

Can a smart greek translate this on screen?

Greeks used to be the smartest in the world some ages ago ;)

[MrGtsouk]

@richter75 now we are the dumbest in the world , sorry US

[JohnS1704]

Where's Stephen Fry when you need him?

[RajaBegun]

@GarethElms Challange this:

Psychic Carmen Harra had never spoken to me. Nothing on the internet on me or my family. First minute on the phone with her, she told me allegedly from my deceased grandfather, that he had a boat in a small town in Europe when 'I was in NoviSad in 1991', that had innitialed C.I on the front of the boat.

Could you have also told me from cold reading the RIGHT year, place, & letters on the the boat NO 2ND GUESSES?

I just proved you're officially a douche bag!

[ebrobaru]

@RajaBegun Nice story, how do we know that it happened exactly as you say? We don´t. And in any case, why the initial "C" on the boat? Couldn´t your grandfather see the rest of the name?

[RajaBegun]

@ebrobaru Those letters were already there on the boat when he got it, there was no rest of the name. He got it from his cousin and those were his innitials.He didn't remove them. So she told me nothing new as I knew very well from back in the 90s about the innitials on the boat. I remembered right away. To me it was a big validation, because here is someone who has never seen me, talks on the phone for a minute and starts telling me things that only my father who is alive today could know...

[ebrobaru]

@RajaBegun Usually personal validations are not worthy of importance because it is human nature to just remember the so called hits and forget the misses, and also to add little things every time the story is told

[RajaBegun]

@ebrobaru I believe you didn't read what I wrote. You're talking about me remembering? I have this conversation with her recorded, it was not me remembering, it was her stating it. When I said I remembered it, they were the events from 20 y before. As for COLD READING?? Look for "Gordon Smith - this Morning" on youtube. You will see there is no connection between Gordon's and your cold reading bogus adept. The guy with cold reading misses constantly. He doesn't.

Too bad your eyes are wide shut.

[ebrobaru]

@RajaBegun Personal anecdotes are the worst possible type of evidence claimed for the reasons that I have stated before

[Pentdad]

@RajaBegun Raja just an interesting point... I have a friend at work who has visited about 25 psychics in her life. She said that one of these told her something amazing that no one else would have known. Now imagine if I had 25 shots at getting something very personal right about you... I think I could do it, and you would be my client for life!

[RajaBegun]

@Pentdad I guess you too, just like that ebrobaru fellow, didn't read whay I wrote. Did I say NO 2ND GUESSES?...

[RajaBegun]

@Pentdad I guess you too, just like that ebrobaru fellow, didn't read whay I wrote. Did I say NO 2ND GUESSES?...

[RajaBegun]

psychiatrists "debunking" psychics I meant...

Which should be the other way round. This Gordon Smith guy should be in the position to debunk this "psychiatrist" who's stepping out of his domain, but Gordon is not going to because he's got real work to do.

Referring to this psychiatrist: Generally, when you step out of your field, because you begin to feel you are able to approach any other field with the knowledge you have, you lose both your authority and your credibility.

[RajaBegun]

@GeorgeOrwell1975

You're right on ; )

They've already got enough problems without importing psychiatrists. Which comes to prove another law: that like attracts like. You've got problems, you're gonna attract more problems.

As Greeks: You've got problems, you are going to quickly look for other things which are not a problem otherwise to anyone, and which you're gonna turn into a problem that you want to debunk. Awesome this law of attraction, how accuratelly it works.

[twosacrowd]

What the fuck was the pint of that upload?? Gordon is from Glasgow, upload was in Greek, so what the hell was the debate??? Idiots!

[stevanroth]

The Internet is English speaking, sort it out, or change the English title.

[Smithpolly]

@stevanroth I agree the title should be in Greek but the Internet is not only English speaking.

[garry0141]

s h i t e

[GhostAholics]

Bullshit title and bullshit video!

[pduffy4]

QUOTE "PseudoSkeptics are always saying, "There's no evidence for any paranormal or psychic phenomena" no matter how much evidence is shown to them. That's because this statement is a religion to them, not an objective statement. So no matter what evidence you give them, they will always deny it and raise the bar, simply because "there is no evidence" is a fixed belief to them."

Quote is from:

debunkingskeptics com / evidence DOT php

[pduffy4]

Gordon Smith is not immoral. he does not even charge a fee for his readings. I know people who have met him and they have nothing but praise for him.

Peter,

Glasgow,

...where Gordon comes from.

[properdumb]

Wank

[Jesusmalaark1]

wheres the fuckin english translation you clown

[GaySingleMulatto]

What's with people not speaking English? I'm gonna write a stern letter!

[EnglandsBangersNmash]

the greek fella is asking gordan, what he feels about all the hard work that many psychotherapists do to aid berievment, and how mediumship may play a part or conflict...gordon dosent get to answer...pointless video

[MrEben9]

why is gordon nodding at the geek, does he understand geek? lol

[waldoistwisted]

Pointless video

[ebrobaru]

More like 199% from his pocket. This guy is a fraud, just like very psychic out there. Wake up people

[seosaphjarvinen]

@ebrobaru

You don't know what you are talking about...Gordon Smith takes NOTHING from his readings..take the blinkers off matey!!

[ebrobaru]

@seosaphjarvinen yeah I am sure he`s such a philantropist

[cooperboy2010]

Ive met Gordon he says from his hart 100 % Accurate.

[TONTIZZY]

Sounds all Greek to me

[CHANNELOMD]

The truth for me is that no mater what you think unless you get a reading that is specifically about you then you will never be100%

[CHANNELOMD]

Im afraid we will have to differ,I KNOW what I saw with my sister,she wasnt lying so I can only conclude that Gordon Smith is the real deal.You can quote whatever you like,I saw what I saw and it cannot be explained by any other means.

TO recap my sister gave an accurate reading to a stanger without any tricks,you can and must draw your own conclusions,I will draw my own ,and mine are that Gordon Smith is the real deal

[R1cku1n0x]

Ok. thats fine but what are your conclusions based on? Do u know of the p.t barnam effect? where you can say anything and the client will make it fit? this is well known to psychics.. anyway i used 2 be like you as i say. i thought it al was just too amazing and accurate.. But it is amazing just not paranormal.

[CHANNELOMD]

??? My conclusions are based on first hand knowledge with a family member

see below

My sister was called up the stage and was taken through how to give a reading with Gordon,he then told her to keep going,I was stunned when she gave a reading to a girl in the audiance whom neither of us knew.During the experiance she said her front was burning her back was freezing ,she had a tingling on top of her head and she felt there was an old man behind her who gave her the information

[R1cku1n0x]

Ok.. If you hold that event as conclusive proof then fine... However look at stage hypnotism.. look at the amazing effects evangelicals produced even ones that admit later that they were frauds.... Believe is a powerful thing and im sure you sis is a firm beliver.. I used to be to .. I was a stead fast believer but now i feel angry at being so gullible.. Funnily enough i used to read books by "Psychics" on how to be psychic..and i did feel things but i now know these feelings were self induced

[CHANNELOMD]

I am sure you are correct and there are many many frauds,and while I saw what I saw would I risk shooting myself to find out,no is the answer.

Derrin Brown is aprime example of an excellent showman who has debunked many frauds and in some ways what he does is as amazing than Gordon Smith.All I can say is Gordon Smith has left me wondering,no more no less and I think if there is a real deal its with him

[R1cku1n0x]

Good good.. Gordon is good i will give him that... whether he is an intentional fraud or whether he is what is called a "Shut eye" only he knows.. The techniques of Cold reading are natural techniques we use all the time... So it is possible that some people are naturally good at physiological thought reading.. and maybe don't understand what they are doing.. However banachek is an example of someone who can do more accurate readings than any medium does including gordon and uses only psycholog

[R1cku1n0x]

All psychics can be debunked if they allow themselves to be tested.. Sylvia brown is an example of someone who has been debunked over and over again and still holds a following.. i often wonder whether if gods existence was conclusively dis proven tomorrow whether religion would instantly die... Of course not cos belief and faith is so strong and beyond reason that nothing will dissuade it.. We can only use our logic and reasoning if we so wish to ..

[dylans8]

hokem pokem

[stargrouch]

The spiritlove forum rocks!

[footinmouth3]

Oh man. Someone's having a laugh.

Goselas goselas explaining to do.

[234566tgvb]

:'-(

[234566tgvb]

I can't talk greek. Is there a English version of this, I've already just about learn't French and to learn Greek would be pushing me too far at the moment :(.

[salkeller]

what is inmoral is to write the title in english and upload the video in greek.

[RatedRKJerichO]

@salkeller ROFLMAO

[hlmsmrphy]

Would have liked to have seen that interview with sub-titles to see the arguement. Greeks are lovely but this is not right. Can some Greek tell us what is being said so we can defend our hero?

[lalleycat2]

Actually, it has been translated - and debated! Google the Spiritlove forum and see how misleading the title of this clip is.

[neoyamaneko]

I think he said "THIS IS SPAR-TA!"

[AndyTorez]

oh man ..dat was a waste of click on my mouse..its greek...i dont understand anything sounds like mumbling...thats how my friend sounds when he's sleeping lol

[lalleycat2]

So, the translation of this clip reveals no such alleged "immoral tactics". Dr. Daskalopoulos is simply expressing (controversially) that in HIS opinion mediumship does not ease the pain of the mourner, but prolongs the grief, and suggests that "it would be wiser to undergo therapy to relieve the pain from the source". This is not the shared opinion of thousands of people who have found comfort in their grief.

[gezr1]

So this would be the opinion of a trained professional who is experienced in dealing with human grief as opposed to someone who preys on the grief stricken, in either a fraudulent or deluded manner, to make money????

[lalleycat2]

Don't tell me ... Mavis's cousin, twice removed??

[gezr1]

eh?

[lalleycat2]

.... X

[Afterlife2009]

Gordon doesn't prey on the grief stricken for money. He doesn't and never has charged for his private readings (unlike 99% of other mediums). I've seen him give information like "your grandfather's name was Henry Ashworth and he's telling me he used to live in Berrybright Road". So there's no way in hell he could guess something like that with cold reading. I've seen and studied many mediums over the years and Gordon is the only one to really impress me.

[CHANNELOMD]

WELL SAID

[R1cku1n0x]

Im sorry but I have studied cold reading and physiological thought reading for years as an interest in mentalism and i have seen many skilled mentalists who never say they are psychic come out with names ages dates hair colour anything.... You can get this information any number of ways the easiest and most impressive being lip-reading.. Im sorry if you hold a firm belief in this but i would urge you to study the works of banechek and bob cassidy and others in a similar field

[CHANNELOMD]

I sorry mate but I have been to a workshop with Gordon and he has told SPECIFIC things names and events which are not the product of cold reading.You can belive what you will ,I have heard and seen things that lead me to the conclusion that Gordon Smith is the real deal.

[R1cku1n0x]

There are no real deals... I used to believe 100% in this cos i wanted to escape reality at that time... people do not have magic powers and i have seen gordon in action too and have seen only cold reading.. I'm sure your aware of the barnam effect? if it gives u hope im sure u can never be convinced otherwise i only can give u advice to go and see a mentalist like james randi or derren brown perform the tricks mediums use to a greater level than any medium can ..

[R1cku1n0x]

Also lets see if gordon can do a reading with out you there or knowing who you are.... Dont just believe like i did... test him.. The fact is there is no afterlife no god, no fairys no ghosts... any sane person knows this its up to u to find out as i did in your own time..

[CHANNELOMD]

I am a sceptic and have went along with my sister to a Gordon Smith workshop.

My sister was called up the stage and was taken through how to give a reading with Gordon,he then told her to keep going,I was stunned when she gave a reading to a girl in the audiance whom neither of us knew.During the experiance she said her front was burning her back was freezing ,she had a tingling on top of her head and she felt there was an old man behind her who gave her the information.I cant explain it so..

[R1cku1n0x]

Also people misunderstand what cold reading is.. Cold reading is the categorizing of people by certain clues like age and whether they have tattoos etc... any little clue gives away many possible routes for a reader to take.. however you need to be a prolific physiological response reader to be a convincing psychic.. lip reading is a hard skill to master but when you have it you will convince anyone.. all you have to do is make you client think of the name or date your wanting..

[R1cku1n0x]

For example the patter might go " I'm getting ur mother coming through she's trying to give me her name...... er" you would then force ur client into a transdivational search to access the image and memory of the mother in question and in doing so will give away the first and any plosive syllable in the name.. you then have a rough guide of a name.. say you got an M and a G in that order.. you would say " i think its maybe a Marge or a Maggie or something like that"

[R1cku1n0x]

So even if it was a different name it will be similar enough to convince them that you are channelling... However the fact that escapes many blind believers is that if they are talking to the dead why is the information so randomly given and why so mundane.. its always to do with something recent that is on the clients mind.. Instead of being anything conclusive.. that's cos the "psychic can only get what he can receive from you.

[R1cku1n0x]

Please go out and really research as i did both sides of the argument and you will see where the evidence l.. The psychics will say that you can not disprove it.. i believe derek acorah (another fraud) said " for the believer no proof is needed and for the sceptic none can be found" thats a round about way of saying there is no evidence either way.... but in fact there is a lot.. just study the history of mentalism back to Washington Irving bishop and how spiritualism was born from it..

[CHANNELOMD]

am a sceptic and have went along with my sister to a Gordon Smith workshop.

My sister was called up the stage and was taken through how to give a reading with Gordon,he then told her to keep going,I was stunned when she gave a reading to a girl in the audiance whom neither of us knew.During the experiance she said her front was burning her back was freezing ,she had a tingling on top of her head and she felt there was an old man behind her who gave her the information.I cant explain it so.

[2cabs2toucan]

You are right. He would have to be pretty lucky guess full names and addresses so we can probably rule that out. Other possible explanations might be that he can talk to the dead, he had spoken to this person at another event, the information was gained through preshow chat or survey cards, hidden microphones, or research based on information gained from prebooked audience members. The latter worldly explanations are called "hot reading".

[R1cku1n0x]

There was a test done by angelo stagnero where he just gave a reading as if he was giving himself one... and he found that he if he did this to a client of the same age as him he could get a high hit rate... the fact is that our lives are not that varied there are some well known statistical high probability statements a psychic can give for example i know you have a scar on your kneecap or just below it... And that you had a bad experience with a dog..

[stubo65]

@lalleycat2, and seeing a GENUINE medium is actually less expensive than therapy!

[ebrobaru]

@stubo65 that´s an irresponsible comment, at the very least

[stubo65]

@ebrobaru, how is it irresponsible? Explain. And have you personally ever seen a therapist and a medium? What makes you so sure? Just because a therapist goes through years of study doesn't mean therapy is more effective as grief counseling. And by the way, many genuine mediums DO HAVE TRAINING; they development their talent through, e.g. medium circle. I'm not bashing therapy; it's different strokes different folks. But therapy is more expensive because it can go on and on.

[ebrobaru]

@stubo65 Because you are suggesting that someone sees a medium instead of a therapist. I don´t need to say any of them to know how they work. If by grief counseling you mean that someone blatantly lies to your face while disrespecting the memory of your loved ones, then that´s what mediums do. Mediums have training? On what? Where? Who regulates it? To whom are they accountable? Therapy can go on and on? Of course. And you think a medium will not tell you to come back? Please!

[stubo65]

@ebrobaru, the medium I used didn't encourage me to come back.

[stubo65]

@ebrobaru, you've just hit the nail on the head when you say "I don't need to see any of them to know how they work..." Before you CLOSE YOUR MIND and consider yourself an authority, I suggest you try the medium I used. Her name is Georgia O'Connor. Google her on the Internet. She charges $90/half hour, $160/full hour, the same fee as a typical psychotherapist. I paid just $20 because she's willing to negotiate.

[ebrobaru]

@stubo65 They develop their talent? Well, there I agree with you. Of course, their talent is to tell complete lies to you while keeping a straight face.

[stubo65]

@ebrobaru, you haven't done your research on mediums other than studying cold reading techniques. Legitimate mediums further develop themselves through training.

[ebrobaru]

@stubo65 I have done my research on mediums for years. Cold reading is the most used technique but not the only one by any means. There are others, well known also. I have never met an astronaut, but I know how what they do and how. Same with a professional dancer. It´s incredible that someone would be willing to fork over $160 to a medium. If it were for entertainment, I would be all for it. But it is a simple scam. Even $20 is$20 too much just to hear blatant lies

[stubo65]

@ebrobaru, cold reading and other techniques are used only by charlatans. I'm claiming there are some legitimate mediums out there. And if you're not willing to fork out just $20 to find out that you may possibly be wrong, your mind is closed.

[ebrobaru]

@stubo65 Ok, prove that there are real mediums out there. It is your claim, so it is up to you to prove it. Hey I am not saying that psychotherapy is foolproof or effective. That depends on many things. But at least, there are proven tried scientific methods for it. If you think that someone telling you complete lies to your face, impersonating some departed loved one is therapy, then you are completely wrong. Really, don´t you see the problem here?

[stubo65]

@ebrobaru, there was an article in "Psychology Today" about a study that showed that "real" talk therapists--e.g. psychologists, psychiatrists--are no more effective than social workers or whomever. (If you need medications, then that's another story.) I see your point about scientific evidence, but science is also not without limitations. Also, you're still ASSUMING that ALL mediums are frauds, and telling people complete lies. What would a medium have to be able to show you during a session?

[ebrobaru]

@stubo65 Again trying to put social workers with mediums in the same sentence is a joke. Mediums just speak whatever they want and have no one to be accounted to. Yes, until proven otherwise, all medium are frauds. Simplest way to change that: Have any medium show the contrary.

[ebrobaru]

@stubo65 I´ll tell you what would I have to see from a psychic/medium. Something like "Your friend X that died in X date in X manner, wants you to know that the X that he gave you for your X birthday, is not lost as you think. It is on X place behind X on your mother´s house." Something that is easily verifiable. Not the typical "Who would you like to contact?" YOU are the medium, YOU tell me. "I see a B. Who´s B? Why do I see water? He wants to know that he is ok and he loves you very much".

[pduffy4]

@ebrobaru

Part 1

I have attended a spiritualist church for now for over a year each Sunday. Different mediums receive information differently. Some get names of people some don't, some see spirit, some don't etc...

[pduffy4]

@ebrobaru

Part 2

Mediums often get accurate information. In one reading I got I was told by the medium that my (deceased)grandfather would be with me at about 5 past 3 in the morning. He did not say what would happen. Later that night I am in bed and I feel energy flowing through my body for several minutes. When it is over I looked at my clock and it was 03:04 am ! So that was a very accurate message of a future even.

I expect most who doubt mediums have never been to one or have met a crook.

[ebrobaru]

@pduffy4 Sounds like a great story. Too bad that there´s no way to prove it. I am not saying that churches are fake. That´s for each one to ponder. But mediums? Yes they are. Read the book "The Psychic Mafia". You´ll learn a lot

[pduffy4]

@ebrobaru The information regarding what happened to me is accurate.

I also attend a psychic development group. I am a beginner,and have been shown images and had some pieces of information given to me. Psychic abilities are not fake.

Some people that claim to be mediums can be liars. I was told by the medium who teaches us of one woman who was working as a psychic and told a woman her husband was having an affair, which was not true. Fakes exist but so do real mediums.

[pduffy4]

@ebrobaru

When I first met the medium who runs the church I attend, she told me that my grandfather (deceased) said I was not to worry about my mothers stomach. I had only been told a couple of weeks before that by my mother that she was having trouble with her stomach.

I also had had a bad dream a few days before my mother told me about her stomach, I had dreamed that she had been stabbed in the stomach. It was an unpleasant dream and is why I was so concerned about her.

[pduffy4]

@ebrobaru

It is impossible for me to prove to you something you have not witnessed. It happened to me.

Are there spiritualist churches in Mexico?

[ebrobaru]

@pduffy4 I don´t think that such churches do exist here, but I could be mistaken. I am not discounting the possibility that real psychics may exist. But so far, nobody has successfully proven it in controlled tests. People who claim to be psychics use simple learnable techniques. So just be careful.

[pduffy4]

@ebrobaru

Another thing that happened to me a few months ago: I was at Loch Lomond, Scotland and wanted to go see the large Aquarium there. I thought the price would be about £3. As I was approaching the door the though of £12 came to my mind. I did not know what it meant until I went into the place and the price was indeed £12. I was shocked and pissed off as I couldn't afford to pay £12!!

[pduffy4]

@ebrobaru

Part 1

I found a page about the book you mention. So this guy Lamar Keene says this: "I hereby affirm and warrant that the experiences related in this book, written in collaboration with Allen Spraggett and William Rauscher, are the truth and nothing but the truth (though, it should be added, not necessarily the whole truth, which would be even worse). These experiences are from my career of thirteen years as a fraudulent spiritualist medium."

See part 2.

[pduffy4]

@ebrobaru

Part 2

So was this guy ever prosecuted? He has a damned cheek to be a dirty lying bastard for 13 years and then he wants people to believe that every medium is a lying bastard because HE IS? !!!

What a mother fucker!

My mother has been conned by plumbers charging too much, doesn't mean they all do it. Sure most probably do but not all etc etc etc....

[ebrobaru]

@pduffy4 I don´t know if he was ever prosecuted. Read the book, it´s an interesting read.

[stubo65]

@ebrobaru, you've just hit the nail on the head when you say "I don't need to see any of them to know how they work..." Before you CLOSE YOUR MIND and consider yourself an authority, I suggest you try the medium I used. Her name's Georgia O'Connor. You can Google her. She charges $90/half hour, $160/full hour, and is even willing to negotiate for those unable to pay (which is why I paid only $20).

[ebrobaru]

@stubo65 I have to ask you, since your psychic chargers those amounts, wouldn´t she be interested in winning a cool million for a days work? I can´t even begin to tell you what do your comment comparing a medium with a therapist does. It´s like saying that when you need and operation, you go to a with doctor instead of a doctor. Or going to a dowser instead of a geological engineer. Please, that comparison is absurd.

[stubo65]

@ebrobaru, Have you ever had any EXPERIENCE being in psychotherapy? Just because therapists have years of traditional study in school doesn't mean they're effective. Some say it doesn't work; I think it depends on what one's problem is. Psychotherapy is not surgery, it's just talk. I've had therapists who do nothing other than listen. I would not allow anyone to operate on me unless it's a surgeon, but for therapy, there are alternative ways.

[beandick3]

yeh this would be good with a translation

[lalleycat]

It's all Greek to me. Anyone got a translation?