Without Stability Control

[alvon911]

All the more reason to drive a lowered Cadillac slammed to the ground!

[bmxguy08]

where do i get those bars? i could have some fun with those!

[Cab0cl0]

@bmxguy08 Make them.

[LTF85199]

is there a with VSC video?

[joedaniells]

them safety bars are an optional extra for red necks

[edgarcor93]

did the 2000 chevy tahoe got Stability Control ...?

[6SpeedSilverado]

@edgarcor93 you do realize that style lasted till 2006

[edgarcor93]

@6SpeedSilverado yeah i do know bro



[6SpeedSilverado]

@edgarcor93 ok, just curious why you asked about 2000 ones?

[edgarcor93]

@6SpeedSilverado b/c i own one lol ..just in case i go fast in a curve i know i make it

[6SpeedSilverado]

@edgarcor93 ah that makes since lol

[edgarcor93]

@6SpeedSilverado yeah bro lol

[TheImpactation]

my dad had an 03 ford f150, one night i was going down a hill towards my house and i was going about 65mph and i ran over a few pot holes and the whole truck started to shake mad crazy and i ended up rolling it at the bottom of the hill and off the bridge into the middle of the 4.5ft deep pond/creek thing. turns out that there was something wrong with the stability control. i got stuck inside it & waited for about 3-4 hours for someone to notice a truck on its side sticking out of the water lol

[KingofComputing]

@TheImpactation no there was nothing wrong with the stability control there was something wrong with a driver taking a full size pickup down a hill through potholes at 65 mph. 

[rangerover06sc]

@TheImpactation You do realize that stability control wasen't offered on the Ford F150 untill 2009, right? Its 2003+ Expeditions that featured stability control.

[ylen13]

That drivers sucks, i can control that just fine.

[asaaqas]

@ylen13 he was trying to do that...

[joshuwa88]

I had a 2005 Tahoe and had no problem drifting it...

[alexlam24]

Well of course an american car would roll over

[blood117]

@alexlam24 European cars would too, even Japanese cars would.

[hatenewbz]

@blood117 do that with any golf.

[everythingizcool2me]

well that's comforting

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[tf2whackyengineer]

I don't mean to single anyone out, or sound bigoted or anything. But it seems that the people who are always involved in these kinds of near accidents and crazy driving are of one particular demographic. I'm sure you've all noticed it too, but it's those people that always put big bars on the front and back of their vehicles. I haven't found any correlation yet, but something tells me those are our bad drivers.

[pittshnogle]

@tf2whackyengineer lol.

[someonesomeone123321]

lmfao

[NTComputer86]

those bars look like so much fucking fun :D

[pictsidhe]

The most dangerous thing on any vehicle is the nut that connects the seat to steering

[evilmidget95]

The Arabs could do that no problem.

[counterclockwise123]

That would have been more fun without the training wheels.

[helenaki8]

fail mouse test

[XxTrooKxX]

Crazy guy Without ESP>>> watch?v=r56VPQIP0go&feature=re­lated

[1stSuperChannel]

That was a good demonstration, nice vid!

[DarkSoul346]

ESP is gay

[drummerblade]

@DarkSoul346

it saves lives. that's not gay at all.

[sexybitchisnice]

sumb m hy v gtzgt,hyhw

[chevyman2013]

Ya if I was that driver I would be shitting my pants.

[bykerboy223]

hmm seeing that the driving scenario must have been trying to avoid a space shuttle parked across a road that has 15 lanes, then the person doing so would definitely roll. but since no road is that wide, swerving 30 feet to the left will get you into a head on collision and rolling would be the last of your worries

[Krondelo]

@bykerboy223 you don't have good depth perception bud.

[ylen13]

I always keep my esc off. I see no reaosn to let computer make decision in emergency.

[Tommy11119]

@ylen13 i hope that i will not meet you on the way

[Bosmob]

haha! that looks like so much fun!

[Planeguy13]

ESC is a good technology but because of it people will drive more recklessly. ESC can't magically make your wheels grip pavement if its icy. 95% of rollovers are tripped meaning a car rolls over because it hits a curb, or flips over because it hits gravel. ESC doesn't help with that. ESC wouldn't be necessary if people knew how to drive. I have ESC in one of my cars and I have never had it come on in the past three years i've owned it, cause I know how to drive.

[Xkonoko]

Planeguy13:

+∞ (infinite)

[Krondelo]

@Planeguy13 one time this idiot I know was sliding his jeep on ice and he would catch the pavement while sideways. Good way to flip, cannot believe he was so stupid.

[Davaith]

bravo!

i see many dumb shits speeding on the highway with vehicles like these. Doesnt matter if you do have the tsc on, it wont help at speeds in excess of 70mph

[mgospeed31]

Actually here is a video to show how effective stability control is at highway speeds. watch?v=AHvoPJrXIMU

[NikkoCharger]

i would be scared if i was driving that but now i know what those bars are on there for

[dodge69874]

I'm going to put those bars on my truck. lol

[Richboy219]

Hey dumbasses!!! American cars aren't the only ones that have vehicles that tip up like this. Remember back in 2001 the mitsubishi montero was rated as unsafe cuz it tip up doing an emergency avoidance test. Same with the isuzu trooper and nissan xterra.

[nelson4568]

yeah seriously people are fucking narrow minded ...any suv weather its german jap or american can roll over if you swerve at high speeds

[Richboy219]

I know right, all suvs have a high rollover risk cuz of their center gravity and top heavy weight. Now whether it American or foreign. People always trying to down talk American cars like their so bad and like the foreign cars are so fuckin perfect when their just as bad. Most foreign cars probably out perform some American cars in a way, but in my opinion, most foreign cars are ugly ass hell and very small.

[nelson4568]

i like alot of the american suv's hate the bmw x3 and x5, their girls cars, the benz and hondas, suzukis all suck...my sister has a 4 runner which i dont even like haha..my fj is alright i couldnt fit in the wrangler cause my head came over the roll bar so i got this but as for anything outta the us..theyre all too small and ugly

[Richboy219]

I agree, i hate most german and jap suvs but i must say the only foreign suv that i would drive is the nissan armada. Everything else sucks! The armada has a lot power, it's roomy, reliable, and very upscale compared to other foreign suvs. On the American side i prefer the dodge durango, gmc yukon denali, chevy tahoe, and the escalade.

[nelson4568]

i like the tahoes alot..my dad got a land cruiser instead which i fucking hate if anything he should have gotten the sequoia...the god damn thing has no leg room , im 6 5 and hate all these small ass jap cars cause i cant fit in em haha...i allmost got the xterra instead of the fj besides the wrangler, idk i always iked the look of the thing since concept cause they kept its looks old school

[Richboy219]

OMG my mom owned a 2002 sequoia but she traded it in last year for the Chrylser aspen. Honestly i prefer the durango cuz they both look very similar it's just that the aspen is a more luxury upscale version while the durango is more sporty. I'm not that much into luxury like my mom but i still love the aspen. And it's 5.7L V8 HEMI with 330hp. That thing is fast! You won't get that from a foreign suv. And im 6'1 so im glad she still stuck with the full-size suvs. lol

[nelson4568]

luxury isnt something i care about in a car lol ...the new sequoias are the ones i like we have an 06 landy the new ones are a bit better looking but i like the new sequoia alot...the durango now is huge compared to early 2000's

[Richboy219]

That's why i like them. They are huge and have lots of room. But i do miss my moms sequoia though. When we first got it we got lots of compliments and head turners. Plus it was a beast when we took it off-roading. That's one thing i do like about foreign suvs is that they have great off-road capability.

[swedishiron]

But Volvo SUVs roofs don't flatten like pancakes like most if not all American SUVs. The roof strength to weight ratio for American SUVs are a joke.

[nelson4568]

if a crane lands on a volvo your gunna survive haha...theyre the best for accidentss

[pictsidhe]

@nelson4568 they are indeed, a much higher than average accident rate...

[Tboninator]

You're hilarious. If only the truth was so funny

[NitroGadvRules]

yeah but many of fords crossovers and newer SUV's platform share with volvo so they will behave similarly.

[Rlnthndr]

@swedishiron actually modern american suvs have roofs built to hold 3 times their weight. Do some research and stop talking out of your ass.

[swedishiron]

@Rlnthndr WHICH IS STILL BELOW IIHS (private industry vs weak govt recommendations) of 4X - why the HELL WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE ROOF THAT CAN ONLY SUPPORT 3X its WEIGHT ???? SPEND SOME TIME READING IIHS RECOMMENDATIONS - You must have an ASS for your BRAIN.

[Rlnthndr]

@swedishiron Uh, no its not. IIHS is actually only required to have it support it self. I dont think I can think of an accident where you would need a roof built to withstand more than 21,000 pounds since my suv is 7000 pounds. And If you did, you would have a hell of alot more to worry about than your roof.

[swedishiron]

@Rlnthndr How many TEENAGERS can AFFORD MODERN SUVS ??? Their parents are putting them in older Ford Explorer, Tahoes, Isuzus that don't even support 3X their weight in a rollover. Tell the mother of the young lady (23 years old0 I know that died when her Ford Explorer flipped over a few years ago that I am talking out my ass and yes she was wearing her seatbelt.

[Rlnthndr]

@swedishiron a tahoe is the safest suv you can buy. I gaurentee you, if I crashed in to you in my yukon Xl, I would walk, and you would be killed.

[pictsidhe]

@nelson4568 mine never did, I got two wheels off the ground after tripping it sliding into a kerb once though, nobody could keep up with me down country lanes. Oh, Fiat Panda 4x4 if you are wondering, no fancy shit, just a low centre of gravity

[nelson4568]

@pictsidhe a panda??? i was watching 5th gear i think and that thing is amazing off road i did the same too once in my fj ive grown far from it over time lol im looking to trade in for something alittle better on gas a vw scirocco but they wont bring it to the us

[FromSweden1]

and the Mercedes-Benz A-klass :) and that's ain't a SUV, it's german crap :P

[Richboy219]

Yeah i know, Mercedes trucks are ugly ass hell anyway and the only people who buy them obviously wants to compensate for something. lol

[deepthoughtsofdeath]

It's not so much turning hard in one direction that gets you, it's turning hard then suddenly whipping the steering in the opposite direction, the weight transfer too suddenly and the weight transfer overcomes the tires' adhesion. It can happen to cars, too.

[idiot1299]

typical chevy

[426rwhpC5]

and your a typical idiot

[idiot1299]

it was a fuckin joke calm the hell down

[426rwhpC5]

hahaha...not funny

[WeAllGonnaDieAlive]

typical american car.. that would never happend to a volvo !

[rangerover06sc]

sure it would,if you turned off the electronics

[itbeshowinlikeamotha]

wtf

what volvo sits up that high? and carries that much stuff, and has that towing capacity?

[horseeboy2]

tht is so awesome!

[grahamboy1010101010]

take those bars off!

[raulwarrior]

@grahamboy1010101010 I could regain the control..... its just you turn to the side the car is sliding..... at this video for example, turn left ;)

[SPLBeast]

lmao @ johanjohanjohanl

[stealthsniper96]

damn thatd be fun as hell

[viktord1]

wow that thing has jelly for suspension

[johanjohanjohanl]

Those girders are silly.. They could kill someone on the sidewalks FFS ;P Very Unsafe!

[BoredTrucker1902]

It is only for this particular test to avoid rollover. It will not be attached to the SUV when driving in public road.

[johanjohanjohanl]

;)

Do you really mean that?

[disbsam333]

this should be why not to buy an SUV

[Memphis35]

ESP also provides an opportunity for manufacturers to make poor handling cars. They just add non-switchable ESP so that the electronic aids will give the impression that the car will handle well. God save the driver should the ESP fail.

[deepthoughtsofdeath]

The system is set up to display a light on the dash if the system fails, just like ABS. And all manufacturers put a statement on a warning sticker that says "This vehicle equipped with stability control that attempts to maintain control of the vehicle in case of a skid or rollover. However it cannot overcome the laws of physics. Practice safe driving maneuvers at all times."

[CA3B20A3G]

lol they should install ones that pop out like that so when the thing rolls over, they pop out and save the day haha

[Memphis35]

And parents carry their children in these vehicles. Suvs are very dangerous as evident by this video but misguided morons think that they are safe as houses. A passenger car would simply slide out if anything.

[rangerover06sc]

suvs can only be as dangeruois as the people driving them

[Memphis35]

true, and alot of morons drive them.

[mercman8888]

People who don't know how to drive properly drive them.

[RocafellaAF1]

@Memphis35 So i drive one... what do you drive a fucking honda ricer

[Bo3azozq8]

@Memphis35 that only happens when you try to do this, but if you know how to drive this will never happen =] i have 2005 gmc yukon, and it's great, i can drift with it ;p

[04Wenban]

Do it again, only this time without the stabilizer's!!

[MacPhisto73]

My 06 Suzuki GranD Vitara is without ESP and i love my car, just adjust the speed and the car wold not roll over!:)

Dumbass drivers whit too much speed in to the curves, that whats goes wrong!

[alscort93]

This was a demonstration of what can happen when a vehicle with a HIGH CENTER OF GRAVITY. PERIOD. Forget about the stability control. Stop picking on SUV's, I don't drive one but I drive a truck, the same platform.

[Memphis35]

Truck and SUV. Same shit.

[motocross70]

Lets see who would rather buy a car/SUV without ESC??? Anyone... anyone...?

[dainger15]

I wouldn't buy a car without it. Rather be in control than skid out of control with a car without ESC. However, some people I guess are "special" and don't apply to the laws of physics... and don't need ESC apparently.

[Memphis35]

No, some people just are better drivers and don't rely on all these gizmos to save their ass in a crash avoidance. The people will all the safety gear loaded into their cars are usually crap drivers. They probably tailgate thinking the ABS will save them or chat away on their cell phone thinking the ESP will save them if they have to swerve suddenly because they weren't concentrating on the road. Safety systems = poor drivers.

[unknownunknowns]

Memphis, yes, it will make them poorer drivers, but those "crap drivers" are more likely to survive based on statistics. It seems to promote riskier driving while being safer. I think that's why more delivery trucks are becoming Dodge Sprinters (with ESP), while moving away from the Ford and GM vans, that don't have ESP.

[Memphis35]

Um, so you're agreeing with me then. Safety systems equals poor drivers.

[Memphis35]

You have to be out of control for ESP to be in control. Here's my advice, learn how to drive, be alert and you won't need ESP. We have done without it for many years.

[unknownunknowns]

Great advice but why don't you try to convince NHTSA? Here's my advice: learn how to drive, be alert, and don't take ESP forgranted. If this is done seriously, it should decrease accidents even more than just learning how to drive and being alert.

[unknownunknowns]

Here's another thing, too. We're living in a culture where "we don't have time" so I'd rather have them use it because it'll prevent them from skidding and cause an accident. As I said before, ESP is designed to be capable of riskier safer driving. I don't think you'll be convinced so get a car without one.

[Memphis35]

And um...fuck you all you bunch of fucking jew sheep. Just forgot to add that in.

[rangerover06sc]

ya but what if someone loes control and ram you rear side panel

[bbyguy5]

Hey motocross70 I wouldn't buy a car without ESP!

[ThrottlesUp]

Gents, I think what JFC (man, what a username) is referring to is possibly misplaced confidence in these devices. There is no free lunch when you take away a good amount of what the driver can put into the system. But I digress...I agree more that motocross70 needs more people on the road not w/ ESP (or whatever it's called), but more drivers w/ brains. I've worked a safety job for the DoD, and I've lost count of the # of times 4WPOV's and 2WPOV's have met with less than satisfactory contact.

[ThrottlesUp]

JFC, you sound more "anti-American-styled-SUV" than anything, but Citroen now makes an SUV...w/ that variable height the U.S. makers are considering, if that's what you meant. In 2WD, it's low, like a car. Engage 4WD, and you get the traction; lock it in, and you get a nearly half-foot increase in gnd clearance. In short, you only get the "bad" high CG only when you are already driving slowly in poor road conditions (or "lack of road" conditions!).

[Memphis35]

Yes, but you are a shit driver so it's understandable.

[JELH]

Explorer4x4.

-You are a fucking idiot.

[dainger15]

JELH- I agree. Explorer 4x4 is obviously ignorant in more than one area, ESP and homosexuals. He's obviously not thinking because he states that people have been fine without ESP. Well if that's true then I ask him this, have people been fine without other safety features such as ABS, Traction control, air bags, safety belts?

[Explorer4x4]

ESP is for fags. And increases danger in reality. It gets drivers to relaxed causing a false sense of safety.

[devin6687]

you've obviously never fishtailed a car before.  I did it once and I've never been so scared in my entire life. After seeing how big of a difference stability control can make, I've decided it's a feature I don't want to live not having in my car. My new car has it and I'm glad. It's already saved me from one accident, too.

[Explorer4x4]

I have been in, and seen, more wrecks and near wrecks then (probably) your entire family. We have never, ever needed ESP or other useless toys. People managed just fine without them before the 1990's. And if you don't want to roll over, stop buying fucking yachts (SUV's)

[surferyo]

i have 2 second with that! its almost like vehicle companys are promoting bad driving habits with that system! if u have it then great, but dont substitute it for poor judgment!

[JangoFettaCheeze]

It works for idiots who don't have a good visual scan, but it made primarily for use on dry, hard surfaced roads. It is not evaluated, tested or developed for that day you drop two wheels off the shoulder.

[dainger15]

I think you need to do more research. ESP is also designed for wet/icy roads and actually it will help you get back on the road when you "drop two wheels off the shoulder" as you put it. ESP is not always going to save you, but it does help give the driver control in situations where the vehicle otherwise would lose control without it.

[dainger15]

Yeah I think you said it. It wouldn't be a SUV with all those changes you listed. I still don't think you really know what you're talking about with today's ESP on vehicles. ESP works for both cars and SUVs and I think again you need to do more research. And all the techno babble isn't going to make you right. You probably read that somewhere from an unreliable source no doubt.

[JangoFettaCheeze]

No, I'm a software engineer. You wouldn't believe what mechanical engineers come up with to make these things not roll over. You sometimes end up with 4 to 10-d matrices (I knew that 4th-year calculus would come into use some day) to map the inputs the CAR has to do to keep itself upright in spite of the driver!

[JangoFettaCheeze]

Just when we think we've got the vehicle to behave itself, you enable the ABS (only test and eval one variable at a time, if you can), and it's okay until the driver applies the brakes....you sometimes end up with ABS and ESC "fighting" what should be the same perturbation... If vehicles used active suspension (like Citroen does)I wouldn't be a slave to the Mech E's.

[dainger15]

Make sure that the variables have been entered into the vehicles computer so that when the y-axis is off your car won't have the suspension problem or "chit chat" and the matrices have to be turned off so that the driver can drink his cappuccino!!! Or you can just drive your Citroen!!!

[bbyguy5]

Hahaha! Hilarious dainger15!!! Bottom line is that ESP/ESC or ABS or whatever safety system is put into a car is there to help the driver in moderate to extreme situations compared to vehicles without them. I'll just leave it at that.

[JangoFettaCheeze]

He is hilarious. He thinks that the toughest engineering challenges we face are SUV stability targets. The toughest challenges we face are keeping the stylists and marketing from getting corporate to constantly take their side and sell that "cushy, soft ride" that "American car buyers crave" (that's a direct quote from someone in our company). It's sickening. We use electronic band aids to fix deficient mechanical design. Form is supposed to follow function.

[JangoFettaCheeze]

You end up with a vehicle that can't turn well in an emergency situation (at least dainger15 will be upright when he crashes into what he was trying to avoid in the first place....gotta love ESP, LOL...you're soooo safe with that beautiful piece of kluge...NOT. We're just now trying to fight our way out of a lawsuit with ESP awarded partial fault in the accident settlement.)

[dainger15]

Wouldn't it be better to hit the object trying to be "avoided" while the car is upright rather than the car flipping over and over? (Considering that the object is unavoidable by either a car or SUV) I think so. What do you mean that the car can't turn very well? Do you even know what you're saying? ESP will help a car stay on the road in a turn that's what is for!!! And about the lawsuit... please... people sue everything and anything these days.

[bbyguy5]

JangoFettaCheeze, I think you need to do a search on youtube with the tag words "bosch" and "ESP" then watch thoose videos and then you will see what dainger15 is talking about.

[JangoFettaCheeze]

dainger15, a little designed-in understeer is a GOOD thing in an SUV, whether we achieve it electronically or mechanically. BTW, I'm a truck owner, too (it's a real truck). Also, the object this guy hit was a vertical concrete overpass abutment, offset collision, driver's side. Tragedy is, w/o ESC he would've sideswiped it and stayed upright. Then again, we can't model all scenarios when we dumb down suspension reactivity to keep a tall CG vehicle upright.

[JangoFettaCheeze]

...and (LOL), you won't find me driving a Citroen unless it's a 1973 US-spec SM w/ the Maserati Merak V-6...but we like the way they think (vary height to suit). It's in the works w/ us Big 3 (well, our software-e group is contracted, non-UAW), something simpler than what's on the Cayenne/Touareg.

[dainger15]

Wow, who's has ever heard of Citroen before you came along. Not many people I can tell you that! (LOL) Who are you anyways, the anti ESC/ESP organization? And NO I don't need you to answer that. (It was a joke)

[dainger15]

When did I say: "that the toughest engineering challenges we face are SUV stability targets"? I want to make it clear; SUVs are here for now and will be for at least several more years. Nothing, not even ESP, Anti-Roll Mitigation, or other Traction Control technologies are going to equal the stability OR agility of a CAR. Cars do benefit, if not more than SUVs, from Electronic Stability Programs because it helps them stay on the road rather than going off because of over steer/under steer.

[bbyguy5]

Explorer4x4 go roll your SUV and then tell me you still don't think ESP is something you would like to have on your car. Oh wait; you probably would say something like that after you roll your car because you are that ignorant.

[CoolstartGO]

haha, i tested a X3 (ESP OFF) suv and he is 10x more stabel than my vw golf4 when changing fast from left to right. (ESP OFF) this is no suv, but steel on wheels.