This test should have been done by the GOV Don't Ya Think !!! LMAO they think were stupid and thats a serious misasumption Did I just invent a word ? LOL I know I've never written it before is it supposed to have 2 S's? LOL sorry have to be able to laugh at this crap once in awhile because to understand the whole scope of all this and combine it with patriot act and now S1867!! 1867 has a fire under my ass!We and they are in real trouble
Maybe the speed of the impact and fuel actually touching the air caused it to burn off so fast. If you watch flame throwers on youtube, your see a simular effect, the flame in the air vanishes but only when it touches the ground does it actually burn. Maybe thats why the fireball burn off so quick is because it was spread out in the air. Someone do a test to find out. Fly a model plane with jet fuel into a structure to simulate and see how it would burn off. A fast jet one to prove things.
@benjyboba Ok mass/weight vs material,I'm an ex ironworker,I have seen the vids where an ALUMINUM plane Goes thrugh a steell structure this is impossible sorry all this is just impossible the gov't story is BS!Stomp an aluminum can it will not penetrate your boot this may be pretty accurate proportions
@Ancientmirrors1 There is lot more to the physics than just simplicity but I do believe the weaker material would get it, ok we have shape too but as you say aluminum against steel. Maybe I should get a aluminum model plane and build a steel tower and crash it into it to see what happends. pulse jet model so its mega fast. I heard from others that it shouldnt penitrate. All makes us wonder.
@Ancientmirrors1 I think we should be a scale replica model of a jet, put a pulse engine on it and fly it flat out in a steel replica of tower and see how much damage it does to the steel. I bet your right. i'm sure there isnt much on board that is stronger than steel. People allways say the weight but forces work both ways and the weaker one breaks.
Had UA 175 been a real airliner, loaded with fuel for a cross country trip, the explosion would have taken place at the point of impact on the OUTER steel framed wall of WTC 2. Instead the videos show UA 175 flying THROUGH the outer wall without crashing into it and the explosion occurring INSIDE the tower.
@Oz1976 Go pitch it to all 7 of your subs. Another cowardly psyops agent carrying out the agenda of his masters, threats of physical harm and condoning the murder of children. Go lie in the tomb and whack off with your sodomite buddies. 911 was an inside job carried out by US Brit and Israeli intell. To ignite the wars between Jews and Muslims so that Rome might benefit in the end. You still have not answered me. WHERE is the wreckage?
@Oz1976 YOUR BJJ? You really are a joke. Unless your name is Gracie, its not now, never was and never will be YOUR BJJ. You are sticking to nothing but stupidity and arrogance. You dont even have the faintest foggiest notion about the philosophical side of empty hand. You still think its about destruction. I can already see your weakness from here.
@Oz1976 Im aware there are compressed containers in aircraft. However to suggest that this was enough to oxidize 13,000 gallons of jet fuel instantaneously is laughable. Try again.
@Oz1976 No you only state how you would put me in the hospital fuck me up etc. You cant guarantee squat. Nor can I. You only prove your delusional ignorance in empty hand by your comments. PLEASE keep these idiotic statements re: steel construction and combat coming. Any one who has exp can see them for what they are. LMAO!!! Did you get stuck with the swing shift again? LOL! So tell me... In Muay Thai what is the inner shield? Dont know? That's what I thought.
@Oz1976 Again and again you prove what utter lack of knowledge you have on the subject. I e-mailed the AWS ANSI and even ASCE in reference to their 911 bs and they wouldnt even respond to my questions. HMMM? Ask ANY ironworker. In fact I urge ANY that view this thread to do the same. Its laughable to suggest an alum ribbed and skinned airliner will penetrate steel and concrete weighing 25x as much. Check out my down the barrel vid $10,000 says you cant prove the bull you speak.
@izzysykopth You're an idiot that doesn't understand the constructuion of the WTC. A) not solid steel walls, they were PANELS dipshit. 2) NO CONCRETE on the outter walls. dipshit. 3) THE ONLY CONCRETE was 4 inch and 6 inch slabs for floors. dipshit.
You're a no planer...you only get ridicule from here on out. YOURE A FUCKING RETARD.
47 year old, wants me to come to socal daring me to say shit to his face, hey fuckwad I'd put you in the hospital...come to NY faggot.
@Oz1976 I dont huh? I studied the towers after the 93 bombing and have been climbing highrises for 23 years. Even if it were the ALUM CLADDING ALONE on the perimeter columns we would expect to see some resistance to the impact. Yet with cladding over steel we see ribs and skin slicing like butter. LMAO!!!
@Oz1976 Sure you would. Im not the one making the threats. Come to L.A. Im laughing my ass off. Im schooled in 29 forms. My trainers wrote the book on Navy Seal empty hand. I have two IMAC West Regional Championships. I have fought thru broken ribs, spar continuously for hours at full speed. I'll be a guest instructor at this years JKD seminar in Isabella Ca. Stay right there behind your monitor like the keyboard Rambo you are. Let fear and common sense keep you from ruining your life.
@Oz1976 Oh first its 20,000 cu ft of o2 now its contained. Cmon man! In part 11 of my docu there is a side by side of 911 broadcasts. One w/airplane one w/o airplane. HMMMM? 5 f-bombs in one comment? You really are beginning to look pathetic and undermining the credibility of your argument. Cant you think of anything intelligent in the way of an insult? I really am trying to see your point but I refuse to stick my head up my ass!!! LOL!!!! Find the links yourself. Google is an amazing tool.
@Oz1976 LMAO!!!! Like I said yadayadayada... Still wont address the sources? Real keyboard Rambo huh? Please!!!! Let me know if you are in So Cal. Talk all you want from behind your monitor. Keep the f-bomb tyrade coming. It shows who needs to grow up. Very dignified and confident you are! LMAO!!!! U saw the plane? I guess they must have removed it from the NBC footage. LOL!!!
@Oz1976 11 and 77 never existed Source Bureau of Trans Stats Evidence implicating Bin Laden: zero Source FBI. Pathetic cartoon airliners abundant. Source: Live news Archives. Next!!!
@Oz1976 It cant ignite all at once because there is not enough oxidizer to do so. Its you that is too stupid to understand this. Do you even know what the fire triangle is? I didnt think so. Why dont you go kill some more innocent children? Justify it by this hideous lie and under your false cloak of patriotism. That takes real courage. You dont have any clue about the world you live. Are they going to sodomize you AGAIN if you dont parrot their story?
@izzysykopth You're an idiot. What does the fuselage of a sealed 767 contain in it? Here's a hint moron, about 20,000 cubic feet of pressurized.....what? Come on....you think you're so fucking smart...what's in it? That got immediately thrown into all that mess on impact? Hmmm...here's another hint.....
@Oz1976 Nice try. Pressurized? NO. Only at altitude. Pure o2. Again NO!!!! You're grasping at straws now. Just like the copy machines causing the explosions!!! LMAO!!! Well? Address the sources I presented. Oh you cant? Have to stick to personal attacks? OK! Isnt your shift about up? Better send in the second team.
@Oz1976 I'm the stupid one?!!! LOL!!! yadayadayada same troll shit. Jet fuel is NOT EXPLOSIVE. Period. Have you ever worked with structural steel? I didnt think so. You dont have the faintest foggiest notion the amount of energy it would require to weaken the support structures. I do. I have been a journey ironworker and cert st weldor since June of 88. NO EVIDENCE BIN LADEN BEHIND 911 Source: FBI
@Oz1976 Lets see... EACH FLOOR of the towers weighed 4100 tons. A fully loaded and fully fueled 767 weighs less than 150 tons. Aluminum ribs and skin. Its not even a solid tube vs steel and concrete? LMAO!!! If growing up means accepting authority as truth as opposed to truth as authority I'll stay right where I am at.
@Oz1976 Oh I get it... the fuel magically became explosive because there was resistance? LMAO!!! I guess the NBC footage that doesnt show an airliner is faked huh? What happened? Did you kill too many kids over there and refuse to believe you were duped into doing so? Tell me this: Why is there NO credible evidence of ANY airliner wreckage from 911 even though they pulled over 90% of flight 800 from the BOTTOM OF THE ATLANTIC? AFTER IT EXPLODED and hit the surface at speeds where water=concrete
they keep whinning about the fuel, the fuel would have been flash burnt on impact because of the speed the supposed jets hit the towers, vapors instantly, anyone knows gas doesnt burn its the fumes,and i never seen a heap of liquid fuel come out of the plane impact, so wtf, not to mention jet fuel is very tame and hardly combustable, next to kerosene the higher the octane the slower the burn, but you know this izzy im just rambling!great vid
@METALLICA6547 Actually gas burns but gas vapors can explode> However kerosene or jet fuel vapors ARE NOT explosive unless compressed and vaporized. Think about the idea of having a kerosene heater in your house if the vapors could explode. Notice how slow the jet fuel burns? What we should have seen at the towers if this were a jet fuel fireball is a river of flames pouring down out of the building and towards the ground.
@izzysykopth gas will actually burn yes but what i was trying to get at was what you just said about the vapors exploding, sorry for my offbeat thinking tonight, and your correct there should have been a river of fuel pouring out of the towers,so where did it all go? i really need sleep dude im not thinking straight tonight, thanks for the correction!
@izzysykopth Careful brother, that will become the new official story. "Uh, that wasn't thermate, that was jet fuel pouring down the building!" Yep, what we saw was a rapid burn, or deflagration. Even if it was fuel, it shows there was not enough left to cause the so called structural failure. Sorry I have been away. My new phone does not have the same net capabilities. My home projects are about wrapped up and should be on more soon. Much respect.
@ShootBlueHelmets No one says the jetfuel caused the collapse moron, it was the fire initiator...there were litterally 1000's of tons of combustibles in those towers to fuel the fires after initiation. Stupid 8 year old long debunked meme...jetfuel fires...sigh
@Oz1976 Wow, this must be why I rarely check for replies. No one says jet fuel caused the collapse? Where have you been? It is called the official story, "moron." It is what National Geographic and government agencies used to try a mock-up. You are correct on the office fires existing after the fuel. Now get the government to say that as the official reason. Now tell me how office fires, which burn even cooler (explaining darker smoke) brought down a steel frame structure. Oh wait, 3 structures.
@ShootBlueHelmets Check out this retards comments a few pages back and you'll see this dude doesnt have the critical thinking skills of a doorknob. I really think he is that stupid. Since he has no argument his M.O. seems to be clog the comment board so logical discussion is obfuscated or missed. I think he needs to inform his supervisors he lacks the intellectual capacity to perform this type of work. Next team... LOL!!!
@ShootBlueHelmets Uh, no it's not the official story at all you dipshit. THE FIRE, initiated by the jet fuel, and structural damage to teh twin towers caused the collapse. Welcome to 10 years ago you idiot sheep of a twoofer. Suggest you read the NIST reports, none of them say the jetfuel was the cause, not one. The fires resulting, yes, but each NIST report says the fuel burned up within minutes...suggest you fucking read and get off youtube.
This test should have been done by the GOV Don't Ya Think !!! LMAO they think were stupid and thats a serious misasumption Did I just invent a word ? LOL I know I've never written it before is it supposed to have 2 S's? LOL sorry have to be able to laugh at this crap once in awhile because to understand the whole scope of all this and combine it with patriot act and now S1867!! 1867 has a fire under my ass!We and they are in real trouble
Ancientmirrors1 2 months ago
Maybe the speed of the impact and fuel actually touching the air caused it to burn off so fast. If you watch flame throwers on youtube, your see a simular effect, the flame in the air vanishes but only when it touches the ground does it actually burn. Maybe thats why the fireball burn off so quick is because it was spread out in the air. Someone do a test to find out. Fly a model plane with jet fuel into a structure to simulate and see how it would burn off. A fast jet one to prove things.
benjyboba 4 months ago
@benjyboba Ok mass/weight vs material,I'm an ex ironworker,I have seen the vids where an ALUMINUM plane Goes thrugh a steell structure this is impossible sorry all this is just impossible the gov't story is BS!Stomp an aluminum can it will not penetrate your boot this may be pretty accurate proportions
Ancientmirrors1 2 months ago
@Ancientmirrors1 There is lot more to the physics than just simplicity but I do believe the weaker material would get it, ok we have shape too but as you say aluminum against steel. Maybe I should get a aluminum model plane and build a steel tower and crash it into it to see what happends. pulse jet model so its mega fast. I heard from others that it shouldnt penitrate. All makes us wonder.
benjyboba 2 months ago
@Ancientmirrors1 I think we should be a scale replica model of a jet, put a pulse engine on it and fly it flat out in a steel replica of tower and see how much damage it does to the steel. I bet your right. i'm sure there isnt much on board that is stronger than steel. People allways say the weight but forces work both ways and the weaker one breaks.
benjyboba 2 months ago
Had UA 175 been a real airliner, loaded with fuel for a cross country trip, the explosion would have taken place at the point of impact on the OUTER steel framed wall of WTC 2. Instead the videos show UA 175 flying THROUGH the outer wall without crashing into it and the explosion occurring INSIDE the tower.
This defies basic crash physics.
lmfecher 8 months ago 2
@Oz1976 Go pitch it to all 7 of your subs. Another cowardly psyops agent carrying out the agenda of his masters, threats of physical harm and condoning the murder of children. Go lie in the tomb and whack off with your sodomite buddies. 911 was an inside job carried out by US Brit and Israeli intell. To ignite the wars between Jews and Muslims so that Rome might benefit in the end. You still have not answered me. WHERE is the wreckage?
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 YOUR BJJ? You really are a joke. Unless your name is Gracie, its not now, never was and never will be YOUR BJJ. You are sticking to nothing but stupidity and arrogance. You dont even have the faintest foggiest notion about the philosophical side of empty hand. You still think its about destruction. I can already see your weakness from here.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Im aware there are compressed containers in aircraft. However to suggest that this was enough to oxidize 13,000 gallons of jet fuel instantaneously is laughable. Try again.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 No you only state how you would put me in the hospital fuck me up etc. You cant guarantee squat. Nor can I. You only prove your delusional ignorance in empty hand by your comments. PLEASE keep these idiotic statements re: steel construction and combat coming. Any one who has exp can see them for what they are. LMAO!!! Did you get stuck with the swing shift again? LOL! So tell me... In Muay Thai what is the inner shield? Dont know? That's what I thought.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 HMMM? Impact at 900' above sea level. Not 5000'.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Is it shift change yet? Next!
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Again and again you prove what utter lack of knowledge you have on the subject. I e-mailed the AWS ANSI and even ASCE in reference to their 911 bs and they wouldnt even respond to my questions. HMMM? Ask ANY ironworker. In fact I urge ANY that view this thread to do the same. Its laughable to suggest an alum ribbed and skinned airliner will penetrate steel and concrete weighing 25x as much. Check out my down the barrel vid $10,000 says you cant prove the bull you speak.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@izzysykopth You're an idiot that doesn't understand the constructuion of the WTC. A) not solid steel walls, they were PANELS dipshit. 2) NO CONCRETE on the outter walls. dipshit. 3) THE ONLY CONCRETE was 4 inch and 6 inch slabs for floors. dipshit.
You're a no planer...you only get ridicule from here on out. YOURE A FUCKING RETARD.
47 year old, wants me to come to socal daring me to say shit to his face, hey fuckwad I'd put you in the hospital...come to NY faggot.
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 I dont huh? I studied the towers after the 93 bombing and have been climbing highrises for 23 years. Even if it were the ALUM CLADDING ALONE on the perimeter columns we would expect to see some resistance to the impact. Yet with cladding over steel we see ribs and skin slicing like butter. LMAO!!!
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Sure you would. Im not the one making the threats. Come to L.A. Im laughing my ass off. Im schooled in 29 forms. My trainers wrote the book on Navy Seal empty hand. I have two IMAC West Regional Championships. I have fought thru broken ribs, spar continuously for hours at full speed. I'll be a guest instructor at this years JKD seminar in Isabella Ca. Stay right there behind your monitor like the keyboard Rambo you are. Let fear and common sense keep you from ruining your life.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Oh first its 20,000 cu ft of o2 now its contained. Cmon man! In part 11 of my docu there is a side by side of 911 broadcasts. One w/airplane one w/o airplane. HMMMM? 5 f-bombs in one comment? You really are beginning to look pathetic and undermining the credibility of your argument. Cant you think of anything intelligent in the way of an insult? I really am trying to see your point but I refuse to stick my head up my ass!!! LOL!!!! Find the links yourself. Google is an amazing tool.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 LMAO!!!! Like I said yadayadayada... Still wont address the sources? Real keyboard Rambo huh? Please!!!! Let me know if you are in So Cal. Talk all you want from behind your monitor. Keep the f-bomb tyrade coming. It shows who needs to grow up. Very dignified and confident you are! LMAO!!!! U saw the plane? I guess they must have removed it from the NBC footage. LOL!!!
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 11 and 77 never existed Source Bureau of Trans Stats Evidence implicating Bin Laden: zero Source FBI. Pathetic cartoon airliners abundant. Source: Live news Archives. Next!!!
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 It cant ignite all at once because there is not enough oxidizer to do so. Its you that is too stupid to understand this. Do you even know what the fire triangle is? I didnt think so. Why dont you go kill some more innocent children? Justify it by this hideous lie and under your false cloak of patriotism. That takes real courage. You dont have any clue about the world you live. Are they going to sodomize you AGAIN if you dont parrot their story?
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@izzysykopth You're an idiot. What does the fuselage of a sealed 767 contain in it? Here's a hint moron, about 20,000 cubic feet of pressurized.....what? Come on....you think you're so fucking smart...what's in it? That got immediately thrown into all that mess on impact? Hmmm...here's another hint.....
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Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Nice try. Pressurized? NO. Only at altitude. Pure o2. Again NO!!!! You're grasping at straws now. Just like the copy machines causing the explosions!!! LMAO!!! Well? Address the sources I presented. Oh you cant? Have to stick to personal attacks? OK! Isnt your shift about up? Better send in the second team.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 I'm the stupid one?!!! LOL!!! yadayadayada same troll shit. Jet fuel is NOT EXPLOSIVE. Period. Have you ever worked with structural steel? I didnt think so. You dont have the faintest foggiest notion the amount of energy it would require to weaken the support structures. I do. I have been a journey ironworker and cert st weldor since June of 88. NO EVIDENCE BIN LADEN BEHIND 911 Source: FBI
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Lets see... EACH FLOOR of the towers weighed 4100 tons. A fully loaded and fully fueled 767 weighs less than 150 tons. Aluminum ribs and skin. Its not even a solid tube vs steel and concrete? LMAO!!! If growing up means accepting authority as truth as opposed to truth as authority I'll stay right where I am at.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Oh I get it... the fuel magically became explosive because there was resistance? LMAO!!! I guess the NBC footage that doesnt show an airliner is faked huh? What happened? Did you kill too many kids over there and refuse to believe you were duped into doing so? Tell me this: Why is there NO credible evidence of ANY airliner wreckage from 911 even though they pulled over 90% of flight 800 from the BOTTOM OF THE ATLANTIC? AFTER IT EXPLODED and hit the surface at speeds where water=concrete
izzysykopth 8 months ago
they keep whinning about the fuel, the fuel would have been flash burnt on impact because of the speed the supposed jets hit the towers, vapors instantly, anyone knows gas doesnt burn its the fumes,and i never seen a heap of liquid fuel come out of the plane impact, so wtf, not to mention jet fuel is very tame and hardly combustable, next to kerosene the higher the octane the slower the burn, but you know this izzy im just rambling!great vid
METALLICA6547 8 months ago
@METALLICA6547 Actually gas burns but gas vapors can explode> However kerosene or jet fuel vapors ARE NOT explosive unless compressed and vaporized. Think about the idea of having a kerosene heater in your house if the vapors could explode. Notice how slow the jet fuel burns? What we should have seen at the towers if this were a jet fuel fireball is a river of flames pouring down out of the building and towards the ground.
izzysykopth 8 months ago
@izzysykopth gas will actually burn yes but what i was trying to get at was what you just said about the vapors exploding, sorry for my offbeat thinking tonight, and your correct there should have been a river of fuel pouring out of the towers,so where did it all go? i really need sleep dude im not thinking straight tonight, thanks for the correction!
METALLICA6547 8 months ago
@izzysykopth Careful brother, that will become the new official story. "Uh, that wasn't thermate, that was jet fuel pouring down the building!" Yep, what we saw was a rapid burn, or deflagration. Even if it was fuel, it shows there was not enough left to cause the so called structural failure. Sorry I have been away. My new phone does not have the same net capabilities. My home projects are about wrapped up and should be on more soon. Much respect.
ShootBlueHelmets 8 months ago
@ShootBlueHelmets No one says the jetfuel caused the collapse moron, it was the fire initiator...there were litterally 1000's of tons of combustibles in those towers to fuel the fires after initiation. Stupid 8 year old long debunked meme...jetfuel fires...sigh
Oz1976 8 months ago
@Oz1976 Wow, this must be why I rarely check for replies. No one says jet fuel caused the collapse? Where have you been? It is called the official story, "moron." It is what National Geographic and government agencies used to try a mock-up. You are correct on the office fires existing after the fuel. Now get the government to say that as the official reason. Now tell me how office fires, which burn even cooler (explaining darker smoke) brought down a steel frame structure. Oh wait, 3 structures.
ShootBlueHelmets 7 months ago
@ShootBlueHelmets Check out this retards comments a few pages back and you'll see this dude doesnt have the critical thinking skills of a doorknob. I really think he is that stupid. Since he has no argument his M.O. seems to be clog the comment board so logical discussion is obfuscated or missed. I think he needs to inform his supervisors he lacks the intellectual capacity to perform this type of work. Next team... LOL!!!
izzysykopth 7 months ago
@ShootBlueHelmets Uh, no it's not the official story at all you dipshit. THE FIRE, initiated by the jet fuel, and structural damage to teh twin towers caused the collapse. Welcome to 10 years ago you idiot sheep of a twoofer. Suggest you read the NIST reports, none of them say the jetfuel was the cause, not one. The fires resulting, yes, but each NIST report says the fuel burned up within minutes...suggest you fucking read and get off youtube.
Oz1976 7 months ago
I like how the plane disappears as it gets closer, its hard to make good CGI when you just have five minutes
IranContraScumDid911 8 months ago