I'm going to heaven because of the integrity of my heart (says the Arminian).
The good news of Jesus is salvation by grace (alone): boasting is excluded. A man cannot be saved by the "integrity of the heart" of him; Christ's integrity, Christ's righteousness, Christ's death on the cross is what saves. The man who thinks he is saved because God looks at the "integrity" of his heart does not believe in the gospel.
@Taltz911 That is not true in classical arminianism as held by many christian confessions. Those who agree with arminius believe in God's prevenient grace as the sole source of salvation. Any integrity of the heart is empowered by God's grace. Where we differ is between conditional election and unconditional election.
@StAugustine79 Granted. Classical Arminianism is not represented here. But the pop Arminianism which is represented does make such self-contradictory statements. But if you think that election to salvation is conditional upon your works (Pelagianism) or your acceptance of the gospel (Arminianism), if you think that salvation is of him who runs (Pelagianism) or of him who wills (Arminianism), then you are relying on your own co-operation with God for your salvation and have fallen from grace.
To ARMINIANS -Romans 11:32 "for God has shut up all to unbelief, that he might have mercy on all".
To CALVINISTS -1 Timothy 4:10"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of ALL MEN ESPECIALLY y of those believing."
DOUBTERS I Cor. 15:23-28"But every man in his own order:..For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet..last enemy...destroyed is DEATH... Son also Himself be subject unto Him..that God may be ALL IN ALL"
"Those who were ordained to eternal life believed" That's an odd way for God to say that those who he foresaw in the past that they believed and were therefore ordained.
The Gentiles with the Laws on their hearts are not talking about people without Christ, since "showing the work of the Law written on their hearts" is the evidence of the New Covenant in action -- he was rebuking Christian Jews for boasting in their knowledge of the Law and trying to teach Christian Gentiles how to live.
Although I have great respect for both my Calvinist and Arminian brothers in Christ, and the various Biblical arguments thereof (given in good faith), Rev. Steward seemed, in his manner of speech, debate, and interacting with others, patronizing and condescending. I am sorry to say that this seems to be far more common amongst my Reformed brothers than I would like. I also do not feel that the Reverend has ample scriptural authority to support a Complete denial of the gifts of the spirit today.
So if I robbed a bank, I can just tell the judge, "GOD MADE ME DO IT"! Remember, God hardened the heart of the Pharaoh! Therefore, he could tell Moses, "Hey, Dude, don't blame me...God made me do it!" See how dumb that sounds!
NO FREE WILL? So I guess that God already determined who is going to win the Super Bowl? God chose who is going to win American Idol? God Chose who won the chess game I played last night? God made me do it? God chose what I had for breakfast this morning, I had no choice at all? God predestined me to get a hair cut?
@chapmaned My friend you are making incorrect suppositions here. The doctrines of grace do not teach that God chooses everything that we do as far as just everyday decisions. In this respect man is a free agent. There are some hyper-Calvinists that believe this, but that is not true reform theology. The doctrines of grace simply say that salvation is completely of the Lord. God decreed that his elect will be saved and secured their salvation through the work of the cross.
@jwednall The Doctrine of Grace goes well beyond what you said. You are only partly right, that salvation is OF the Lord. Grace is UNMERITED favor, meaning that we cannot obtain salvation by obeying the law. Abraham did not have the Law. Neither do Christians. We are the children of Abraham. Grace is a FREE GIFT. The ELECT are "whosoever" wills. Revelation indicates that names in the ETERNAL book of life can be BLOTTED out. GOD, in the OT states, "CHOOSE THIS DAY ______".
@chapmaned Yes but why is the whosoever willing? Phil 2:13 -For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Also if salvation is totally of the Lord, and yet YOU make the choice, then salvation has to be at least a little bit of you because you cooperated. So the ultimately your salvation depends on you making the choice. Please explain how you can do this when you are dead in your sins? But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God.
@jwednall The deeds of the flesh profit nothing. In other words, God wills things to happen to fulfill his purpose, and yet, it has absolutely nothing to do with salvation or non salvation. If you don't think that the Pharaoh is in heaven with Moses, then you don't see the Grace of God. The Pharaoh wanted to let the people go, but God hardened his heart. God never said that the Pharaoh is NOT saved. The Calvinists do, but the Bible does not.
@chapmaned So are you saying that everyone is saved no matter what? Pharaoh is in heaven? I would really like to see your proof on this one. Pharaoh was a vessel of wrath. He worshiped idols. His heart was never changed by grace. The Lord destroyed him in the Red Sea. How can you make the case that he was saved?
@jwednall In regards to the Pharaoh, pertaining to needing to be saved, I would point you to the word IMPUTED in Romans chapters 4-7. Before the law, sin was in the world...When was "before the law"? Does the Pharaoh fall into this catagory? Yes. Sin is the transgression of the law. The Law is the KNOWLEDGE of sin. Before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is NOT IMPUTED (COUNTED) when there is no law. For where no law is, there is NO transgression....cont.
@jwednall For I was ALIVE (DEAD "TO" SIN) once without the law...BUT WHEN the commandment came, sin REVIVED, and I DIED (DEAD "IN" SIN). BLESSED IS THE MAN TO WHOM THE LORD WILL NOT "IMPUTE" SIN.
@jwednall In order to be dead in your sins, you must have first have been ALIVE without sin. Romans chapters 4-7 explain this, and now couple this with Deuteronomy 1:39. It is ONLY by knowledge of Good and Evil that you DIE in your sins. Until then, you are NOT accountable to your sins. For before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is NOT imputed where there is NO LAW. Who got to go to the promised land (Heaven)? Caleb and Joshua...and those who had NO knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. Deu 1:39
@chapmaned Psalm 51:5 -Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. We were all born in sin. We were all born in the image of Adam after the fall. The bible said that Adam had sons in his image. Let me ask you? Did anyone have to teach you how to get angry,lie,lust,and be greedy? You are right. Abraham did not have the law. He obey by faith. The Spirit of God was wrought faith in him so that he was obedient according Heb. 11
@jwednall In regards to Psalm 51:5, we ARE born IN SIN, NOT WITH SIN. Original Sin is a doctrine of Constantine, which Calvin and Luther brought forth from Catholicism. David and Solomon wrote Psalms, but yet it was God who spoke Deuteronomy 1:39. In Deu. 1:39, it shows that it is possible for people to have NO KNOWLEDGE (TREE OF KNOWLEDGE) of good and evil. Before Adam and Eve ate of the tree, THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE, and therefore, NO SIN could be accounted to them, UNTIL they got knowledge.
@jwednall You said, "So are you saying that everyone is saved no matter what?" What I am saying is that in order for you to be LOST, you were once NOT LOST. IN that case, when you were once NOT lost, there is NO NEED for salvation. Those who have NO KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil fall under this category, in which Deuteronomy 1:39 AND Romans 7:7-10 indicates. Now, couple this with the FACT that the Book of Life in Revelation, names are BLOTTED out, not ADDED TO. This indicates...Continued
@jwednall This indicates that everyone at one time was INDEED ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE, and that one at a time, NAMES ARE BLOTTED OUT. Notice that names are never added to the book of life. This shows that everyone's name at one time was written in the book of life. Names are then deleted, not added.
@jwednall In regards to Pharaoh, God only destroyed the Pharaohs life on this planet. That has nothing to do with his spirit. Example: the people that did not listen to Noah, Jesus went to preach to them, you will read this in the epistle of Peter. All of them were saved. And why? Because they were BEFORE THE LAW. Adam sinned. Do you think he is burning in hell too? NO! God restored the relationship by sacrificing the first animal, Just like he sacrificed the last animal (lamb).
@jwednall In regard to Adam's son in his image, it was NOT discussing sinful nature image. It was discussing that his kids look like him, rather than an ape, or dog, or pig, or fish, etc. When it is said that Adam was made in the image of God, it does not mean righteous, it means that man looks like God, and not an ape, or dog, or fish, or cattle, etc.
@jwednall When you say that Abraham obeyed by faith, God did not IMPUTE faith to him, God imputed RIGHTEOUSNESS to him because he had faith. God did not FORCE Abraham to believe. God does not FORCE anyone to have faith. I know Hebrews 11. God does not give faith to anyone. He gives eternal life to those of faith. Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is how we get eternal life...WE BELIEVE GOD. Who is forced to believe God?
@chapmaned Again, the reason that anyone believes is because they are of his sheep. John 10:26 states that the Pharisees could not believe because they were not sheep. Acts 13:48 states that as many as were ordained unto eternal life believed. Phil. 2:13 says that it is God who is at work in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do you believe that salvation is completely of God or not? If what you say is true than it is not, because you have to help God out to be saved.
@jwednall And I say "Again", that at one time, EVERYONE was his sheep...THEN you become lost. There is an order of events. You can't be LOST unless you were once OWNED. And AGAIN, I point you to the word "IMPUTED" in order to answer the second part of your question. You may find this in Romans Chapters 4-7, and Deuteronomy 1:39. Let the Bible speak for itself, rather than for me to give my opinion. What does the word "IMPUTED" mean? Read Romans Chapters 4-7, Deu 1:39, & then lets talk.
@jwednall Good works is what God ORDAINED for a Christian to do. Christians are ORDAINED to do good works. God ordained the CONDUCT of a Christian, for his good pleasure, as it is outlined by the Apostles as to what LOVE LOOKS LIKE.
@chapmaned That's not what the text says. It says as many a were ordained unto eternal life believed. This mentions nothing of anyone's works. I agree that obedience is ordained for us to walk in. However this good works cannot believe. People do.
@jwednall I know what the text states. But a book report is not summarized by one quote, now is it? I thought you people were into exegesis? Don't you take ALL of what is written into context before you make a report? Come on, now. Read "The Rest of the Story", as Paul Harvey would say.
@chapmaned So, I am asking you. There are people out there in the world today that commit sin. They are liars and cheaters and etc. Are you saying that these people are not guilty before God because they do not know what they are doing is sinful? Is this what you are saying or am I misunderstanding you?
@jwednall In addition, for those who have no knowledge of good and evil, they still have a conscience that makes them "feel" guilt. These are judged by their conscience, and NOT any Law of Moses. You can read this in Romans Chapter 2:12-16. This applies also to those who never heard of God, or Jesus. One Calvinist I spoke to tells me that these people are burning in hell, i.e. Amazon people with bones in their noses that carry spears that never heard, he indicated to me that they're ALL in hell.
@chapmaned We also have Acts13:48-And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Notice it did not say that because they believed that they were ordained to eternal life, it says as many who were ordained unto eternal life believed.
In Romans 7:18 Paul is talking about his flesh . In the ancient world the flesh can refer to your physical body but it can also refer to your weakness . The second meaning is what Paul has in mind (notice that Paul goes from saying "in myself" then clarifies it with "in my flesh") , he is saying that in "in my weakness there is nothing good , even if I desire to do good , I cannot carry it out . I hope this clear up the context of Romans 7:18 .
i fully support the british guy he was quoting and interpreting sciptures in harmony with other scriptures with no contradictive while the host and the other guy misinterpret the scriptures. they got served
calvinist think that where all zombies and we all doing gods decree ask a true calvinist if a rapist rapes someone did god decree that that have to say yes, in the bible god hates inquity and sin why would god decree sin and all the inquity in the world. its a contridiction God would be hateing his own plan. i know a few calvinist who continue to sin because they say god tells them to have fun, its a excuse for continue to sin and not be account able for it.
Yes. I agree with you that salvation is not a one time event in a person's life. It's in Hebrews 4. Sadly, this chapter is not seen by most people, even theologians.
Jerzey, you are correct that you are both commanded and must fulfill certain moral commands, but that does not mean you can will yourself to. The problem lies in the nature. Why do we do what we do? Conscious actions are dictated by the judgment, which itself is informed by expectations of gratitude derived from appetites of the nature. In short, we naturally choose whichever action we think will bring greater satisfaction. Our wills are not free, but are servants and reflections of our nature.
Calvinists often quote Romans 7 - but do not move on to Romans 8. The righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us - only if we walk after the spirit, and not the flesh! (See Romans 8v4) All around me I see people who claim to have asked Jesus into their hearts - but are committing adultery etc. "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12v14)
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1John 2v2) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. (1Timothy 4v10) Because Jesus died for everybody doesn't mean that all will be saved. We are saved by grace through faith. Man had freewill in the Garden of Eden. He still has freewill - choose you this day whom ye will serve!
"good thing I got to heaven because I chose, but not them. They never heard it, and aren't really guilty I guess but..." now that's not fair. What do you really have to be thankful for if God didn't save it in spite of our resistance to Him? Shouldn't you be glad that even when you knowingly resisted Him, he saved you anyway?
'For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.'
We all like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6.
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All have sinned so the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. It does not differ to say first all have gone astray then some have had their iniquity laid upon him.
Sometimes i just can't understand why calvinists make everything so complicated. It seems to me that once you accept calvinism it twist your mind so that you can't understand the plain meaning of the bible any more.
@cherubimX I beg to disagree. I find Calvinism very helpful in understanding the truth of Scripture. I believe many reject it because it brings out the truth that man is totally helpless without God and that man's free will is nothing apart from the saving grace of Jesus. This truth is foolishness and repugnant to man's sinful nature. The arminian believes that man has the final control of his destiny and that he, not God, decides whether he goes to heaven or hell.
It sounds to me that, according to Rev. Ramsay, Christ being the second Adam, all men have had their sins forgiven at the cross, man just has to accept and apply the blood of Jesus. What about people who don't accept and apply the blood of Jesus? Do they go to hell with their sins forgiven or does God punish sin twice, once in His son Jesus on the cross and again in the sinner who is cast into hell? God is perfect and His justice is perfect. In perfect justice sin can not be punished twice.
Calvinism is rock solid consistent. That's why I have to accept it. I wish a Calvinist would talk about the election of Israel via Abraham though. This is a perfect correlation to New Testament election. God could have chosen the Hittites or the Moabites or whomever, but he chose the Israelites via no merit of their own. Everything in the Old Testament is an exact correlation and reflection of the New Testament's message.
The only reason God did not chose Israel instead of the Hittites or Moabites is simply for the fact that God has to start "somewhere". Under your theology, you are making God the one to damn the Hittites and Moabites. Can you not logically think that it was God's will for Israel to be HIS AGENTS to TAKE the gospel to the world, including the Moabites, Hittites or whoever? We have many scriptural passages where God says that Israel was to be a blessing to ALL NATIONS!
God also sent Joshua into Israel to destroy the nations that were occupying it because he had given it to the Jews. He elected them from among the nations as his people. In the new Testament a new covenant was made extending this election to people of all nations, yes.
And I don't think any dedicated Calvinist believes this theology allows them to "do as you please," or that it's a "comfortable religion." Calvinists are perhaps the most pious and strict Christians there are.
Before Joshua conquered these nations, they were given an opportunity to repent. It would be too much for me to go into the details, but if you analyze all the stories carefully, Joshua cave them all opportunity. There was one story where a kingdom begged Joshua not to destroy them, and they asked to be part of them, and the request was granted, and they became a part of Israel.
The problem with Calvinism, is that it is a doctrine that appeals to the flesh. It is a comfortable religion, because if you feel God has elected you at one point, then the temptation arises that you can do as you please, and nothing can change that. No, you can choose to do wrong, U despise God's choosing of you. You can turn around and be lost if you choose. I don't want to hear anyone try to convince me otherwise. It is foolishness in His site. There are far more important things to discuss.
you are wrong buddy....a true Christian will desire to do God's will, to say that you feel you are comfortable and that you can do whatever want only means that you are deceived, and that you are not a christian. ;)
You miss my point. A true Christian will desire God's will, but he has to exercise that desire. Every single human being can choose to exercise that desire in them. But instead, the wicked choose to not have that desire. All the wicked will be guilty in the day of judgment. Everyone of them will see that they could have been saved. Under Calvinistic, semantic jugglary, the wicked have one-up on God, and will be able to accuse Him of predestining them to hell.
@daddysblessedgurl "I love how the calvinist debated with the "neutral" host more than he did with the armanian...lol"
lol yeah, well its because the "neutral" host kept questioning him, taking the position of the arminian. I feel bad for the armenian because, the host debated for him.
@bradsland the clarity and power of the "calvinist' position presented here by this brother trounces the arminianism of his two debaters.........i am will to bet your a white person, AND that 100 years ago you would not even debate these two black people, as 100 percent of all white churches in USA would not even let a black person into the church to worship, even the Pres and supreme court were against black people. do you see your arrogance and self righteousness?
@hemet92544 Turn your picture off and listen to their words. Your statement is racist and should be banned. Look at the debaters the way God looks at us. Look only at their hearts and not the color of their skin.
If there is no hope for those who came before Christ, then why have an idea of the Elect? What, only the elect came after Christ? MAKES NO SENSE! Calvinism is from Calvin, Christianity is from CHRIST who is GOD in the flesh. Why follow men like Calvin? Stupid! Sorry, I refuse to go the Calvin way. Are all Calvinists part of the elect? I bet they think so! Too bad, according to them, they can't be!
Exactly but keep in mind. Christ said he is the way. Not calvin NOR arminian. I just point this out because i noticed you didn't mention arminius. Don't let your personal feelings override the Bible brother. This is a good topic to discuss, but it shouldn't be a dividing issue nor should it cause you to be hostile to your calvinist brothers.
Passage in Genesis 20 is actually disproving FREE WILL of man :D
look it for yourself
How can a just married man to a very beautiful wife restrain himself with sleeping with her on the first night. Well that's how :
Genesis 20 6:Then God said to him in the dream, "Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her.
The "mediator" is so off base at the end of this video(part 5) that he is confusing himself. Even the arminian is trying to tell him that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God!
9:42 we were once sinners? wether you are saved or not you are a sinner and i am going too bring this up agian when Jesus died on the cross he didn't say i hope somone believes he siad it is finished! thier had too be elect that he would save
That dude is a terrible mediator. You can tell he hates Calvinism. Reminds me of myself before God opened my eyes to the Doctrines of Grace. He's saying it doesn't flow well in his spirit, but it flows beautifully in the Bible.
I know right, but you can't blame him though, overall the Calvinist view much more difficult to accept because of what we have been taught in modern day churches. I am in the middle right now, LOL.
Amen. I'm so thankful God opened my eyes also. This mediator is terrible! I thought he was supposed to be neutral? But hats off to Rev. Angus because he is backing everything up with Scripture.
So heart4moocows..do u believe that u poses what it takes to accept salvation?..and i see u wrote "we are not saved on the cross" which is heresy if christ did not atone for our sins of the elect then we would all die in go to hell cause the bible say's that the wages of sin is death romans 6:23..not to be rude but your theology sounds man centered like most arminian teachings..god did predestine and atone 4 his elect and it is completely biblical romans 8:28-30...
In all cases, which are only two, where God mentions predestined, it is referring to those who choose God. He predestines His will for those who Choose him.
Predestination, election, ordains are all the same. You are wrong when you say there are only 2. In almost all of Paul's letters he mentions it. Jesus says in John 6:44 "That NO ONE can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." (emphasis mine). Predestination is in Acts and Revelation. Be careful when you state "facts" if you haven't closely scrutinized the Bible.
Maybe you should finish the scripture, How are they drawn? through the hearing of the word. People in sin give no thought about God but when the Gospel is heard then God begins to work with them. Acts 25 Paul and King Agrippa, He was "almost Persuaded" yet resisted. But if you believe in Total depravity and irresistible Grace How do you explain Titus 2:11 The grace that bringeth forth salvation.....appeared unto all men." So why is the world not saved.
Then why don't you explain why the Pharisees never believed? They saw miracles. But Christ himself said that they don't believe, because they are DEAF and BLIND. Two things only a Sovereign God could heal. Almost persuaded does not mean salvation. Paul was convincing with what he said to Agrippa, but Agrippa was deaf and dumb to the Gospel. Titus 2:11. Ok, before you read Titus, you have to know who he was. He was a gentile who believed through Paul. "All men" in this context means Jew AND greek
I understand you what oyu are trying to say but ultimately the pharisees chose tonot believe, You are implying they had no choice to not even believe which limits Gods, according to your belief. When refering to King Agrippa, shere does it state he was dumb and blind? You are adding to the scipture.
Because Titus was a gentile, Paul being a Jew, wrote that grace has appeared unto all men, and not just Jews as the Jews claimed. That would explain the context of John 3:16. In that passage Jesus is teaching Nicodemus (a pharisee who believed the Messiah was only for Jews) that God loved the world (not ONLY Jews but ALSO gentiles). Context my brother context. Back to King Agrippa again. The parable of the Sower and Seed could explain why Agrippa didn't believe. Christ is the sower and chooses
All men is interpreted as universal. There is not specific type and the Context of the scripture is complete. Again it appears as if you are adding to the scripture. Christ was very clear when he states he came to both Jew and Gentile because His children refused Him. This implies a choice.
where to sow. If you are all about free will, then tell me why are you born into the family you are? Why did you never get to choose? Why did God choose the family you were going to be born into? Why were you not born into a third world country where some people don't get the privilege about hearing about the Grace of God? Tough questions that only God's word may answer and that answer is that God is sovereign over ALL of earth!
Didn't get this til this morning. But very well stated. Thanks be to my "LORD" for the eyes to see "HE" has given you. Hopefully "HE'LL" see fit to unblind and undeafen the arminiest.
Yet the questions are all philosohical non are criptual or benefit the doctrine of Salvation. Why didnt I choose my family? person it was I wasnt to do so. But my family did not choose me either. I was brought inot my family by chance. Are you implying that you were brought into the Family of God by chance as well? Well you may believe in Free Will too. Praise God! You dont believe God deals with the unsaved right? Them expalins Romas 1.? Your doctrine is based on Philosophy not bible.
You were brought into your family by chance? Are you serious???? You believe in God AND chance? And my words are spelled out. Go over your messages and correct your spelling because it is hard to understand. Soli Deo Gloria means "To God alone be the glory!" That was what the Reformers cried out against the Catholic church. And that is WHO gets the glory. Not you for salvation and not any other man. But you say that it is man who ultimately gets glory because man ultimately chooses. Blasphemy!
Of course! God knew I would be born but he did not predestine me to be born. Foreknowledge and your theory of predestination are two different things. Gods foreknowledge still leaves choice availabe to man, If God truly chose a selected people then you are saying He is unjust to all makind. You are changing Gods plan of Salvation. In John 3:16 "whosoever believeth" That is not the elect. God gets the Glory for sending Christ the propitiation -covering- for our sins, there is no election.
God's justice demands payment. We all deserve to die for our sins. Therefor if God forgives any it is because of his mercy in Jesus Christ. Jesus died for sin. If he died for all sin for everybody, does God now demand payment? According to Arminianism he does.
Your statement is not implied anywhere in the Bible, He does not demand payment, this is where you confuse true grace with irresistable grace. According to Calvinist he demands because he forces some to be saved. Grace is given to all men in the sense that he died for everyone, just because, and now they can choose. How can God demand payment when He PAID for our sins? again, your statement is twisting words and making implications that just not there.
I agree he paid for OUR sins. OUR is those who trust in Christ. If he paid for everyones sins then everyone would be saved. U and I both know that not everyone is saved. Why? Because some people are not forgiven or for another reason? If I forgive someone of their sin against me they are forgiven, they don't have to accept it, they just are. If my statement is not implied anywhere in the Bible then why did Christ die? He died because God demands payment for sin. It is implied all over the Bible.
But you should know that Christ dying for OUR sins implies the whole world. That means Everyone has the OPPORTUNITY to accept Him as Savior Romans 10:13. Your sin is not Paid until you accept Him. Why do you calvi's not accept the fact that when God say world or whososever he means mankind. Its in the greek lexicon.
1st off I am not a calvinist. I do appreciate discussion about the Bible. We can agree that whoever puts their faith in Christ is saved. The Bible clearly teaches that God however gives grace and he gives faith. He is the one that changes us. Its not the other way around. God is King not a Congressman. He doesn't have to OK anything with anybody other than himself.
The Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life.
Yes we are in agreement. I know The teaching of Faith and Grace are also Taught. He does change us as well. But not before Salvation. We have to willingly accept Him and that happens when He Draws us by the Teaching of the Gospel. But if you refuse Him then you are still in the same state. God does not change you unless you want to be changed and then accept Him.
I appreciate your comments, but I do disagree with the statement that God does not change us before we accept him. Do you suppose Saul (Paul) wanted to be changed before Jesus struck him down on the road to Damascus? Or the man beside Jesus on the cross who at first was joining with the other criminal in mocking Christ? Suddenly his heart was changed, and that by God.
In Romans Paul makes it very clear you have to believe in order to be saved. If Paul had not changed his way he would have remained blind and unsaved, but he did What God commanded him to do and that was to go and see Aaron. So there is a difference. God deals with man and some are motiviated to change and others are not. King Aripa made that clear when He told Paul, "Almost persuade me" God was dealing him but he went the other way.
"God was dealing him but he went the other way" ??
Do you seriously understand the implications of what you are saying here?
Was the King's will more powerful to overthrow the Will of God? If of course, God was infact dealing with him as you claim. Is this what you are proposing? Seriously ?
You need to seriously understand the Scripture. If you believe nobody can resist God then I recomend reading the Bible again. Isaiah 65 is a good Chapter. God stretchs out His hands to a rebellious people and they refuse to obey. Romans 1, God is dealing with the Wicked but then gives them up because they want to remain blind def. Why would God deal with a blind and def? Isaiah chapter 1, Israel turned against God. Its not a power issue with God, He wants people who want Him.
Just because God commands his creatures to carry out certain conditions, does not mean that they are capable of fulfilling this commands. Take the Ten Commandments for instance, do you seriously think that any man (except Christ) can fulfill the law? NO of course not, but this does not mean that therefore should not command these things from his subjects. Sin Prohibits man to obey God in any shape or form.
So you are saying God Can Not keep us from Sin, well that goes agains scripture psalms 19:13, 17:4, 119:11, I Peter 4:1 We are to cease from sin. Can a practicing sinful person enter heaven? I think you totally do not have a point. You make God weak whe you say we can not live by the rules He has given us. We have strength to not sin when we are in Christ. But can you answer my question inthe previous post. Why did God deal with people who rejected Him. Since they are not the Chosen?
Jersey, we can totally get carried away here w/the Arm/Calv debate, but what concerns me most is that we believe what the Bible teaches. I think you would agree this is what is important as well. My prayer is to become a biblical christian and I pray that for you too. Our main job as Christ followers is to go and share the gospel. In this we honor God showing him that we love him and we bring glory and honor to his name. Live the gospel and do the will of the Father. May God richly bless you.
I agree with your statement, but I have a problem with how you distribute Grace. This will sound like I am attacking but I am not, I believe when someone says they are saved by Gods irresistible Grace, they are legalizing salvation. God makes it clear in Scripture that the unsaved person has to acknowledge his wrong doing and turn from their wicked ways. Its not a work salvation but it is a requirement, repentance. If the unsaved do not believe they are that bad then it is not salvation.
@FirebrandNIRE Job did a good job lol (no pun intended lol). read 2 Peter 2:1 and 1 John2:2, This shows that Christ died for everybody, including false prophets. Also, we cannot boast about reaching Heaven by choosing Christ, just like a person cannot boast about being invited to a party. without the invitation to Heaven, it is not possible. well Arminiam or Calvinist we should consider ourself Christians first :) God Bless
@FirebrandNIRE Actually if you look at the word for keep in hebrew it literally means "cherish" and the word for disobey in those passages means "trample underfoot".
@Jerzey55 You must ask yourself, "What is the condition of man prior to conversion?" Is he dead, as the Bible says, or just very, very ill, as the Arminians say? If the Bible says dead, but we say not really dead, then maybe Lazarus wasn't really dead. Maybe Jesus just fainted on the cross. But the Bible says dead, and it means dead. That is why you need to be regenerated, born again, before you can even see the kingdom of God.
@Jerzey55 Yes&Paul also makes it very clear that man cannot believe apart from regeneration.People must repent, believe, trust.These are fruits of regeneration. Unregenerate cannot Rom8:7-8 Look at the story of Lazereth. He heard the call of Jesus,he chose to obey it, he came forward.Sounds alot like conversion right? But you are forgetting something. HE WAS DEAD!!! God had to make him alive(Eph 2:1-10)& with that new life he also gave him the desire & ability to hear, get up,& obey.
Regeneration prededes our coming to faith. We were dead in our trespasses and sins and were not able to seek God or have any desire for Him before that.
A dead man cannot resurrect himself; God does a prevenient work in the heart of the sinner, giving him the desire for God and thus comes to faith, which is alsio a gift of God.
You're right, God has to not only change the man but give him spiritual life as well.
God can and does change people without saving them, i.e. Pharoah.
mkalinyuk87 has answered u. u r lost. "GOD" IS HOLY and SOVEREIGN. u and the others (refuse) to give "HIM" "HIS" Praise and Honor "HE" most deserves.
u are of the spirit of those in LK 4:28-30. But i pray u find The Grace of "HIS" Love and Favor and that "HE" finds u worthy of "HIS" Choice as i do for all u love and hold dear.
But i will dialog with u no further for it is fruitless. my "LORD" has caused me to follow "HIM" in MATT 15:13-15
Your explaination of King agrippa is not true. How can you make yourself believe statements Paul never quoted. Calvinism, is a teaching that perverts the truth.
Even if you believe that you chose God, how is your free will that you were born with better than the Muslim's free will? Obviously not everyone is born with the same free will like you claim, because not everyone chooses Christ. It's not philosophy. It's called keeping the Bible logical. You claim that God is NOT omnipotent and cannot save people without them "choosing Him." Is God All-Powerful?????
Muslims believe in allah, not the God of Salvation. Most Religions teach Free will because it is correct as for their other doctrines, well thats another debate. God is all Powerful, saying you have the choice to follow Christ does not make him unpowerful, your doctrine does that. You Limit God by saying His salvation is limited by His elected. Why was it brought to the all man for Salvation? if it is only His favorites who get it? You are right not everybody Chooses Christ. Thank you.
Im sorry your words I dont understand they are capped and you dont completely spell words out. Perhaps can you type better. Please! These arent answers all the person does is assume God is talking to the elect. I understand alvinism is hard to defend but do not grasp at straws please. It makes the topic very unfruitful. I am Saved Because when I heard the Gospel I chose to Accept Christ as my Savior. I was not forced into salvation.
Guys" let us follow Jesus! Jesus said that flesh and blood did not reveal that Jesus is God's son unto peter" but it was God! do you believe? flesh did not reveal you this but God did!
this is ridiculous, this isn't debate. The moderator here has not asked the arminian a single question aside from the definition of arminianism and that was back in part one. completely lopsided and ridiculous. The arminian might as well kick of his shoes and take a nap. Too bad, this could have been really good.
I totally agree. I'm arminian so I'm not totally bothered (:P) but I had noticed that the guy said he was "neutral" at the start, but with an eeever so secret arminian streak in him.
The moderator was not neutral as he should have been. He took up the Arminian's side early on and kept saying "God Bless you" to the Arminian as he proceeded to argue with the Calvinist. Rev. Stewart , the Calvinist was clearly more knowledgable about the scriptures and even when the moderator tried to corner him he couldn't. The Calvinist clearly won this debate even against two Arminians. It wasn't even close!
Calvinists speak as if Jesus justified and saved the elect on the cross. This is not justification by faith, and salvation is a process. We aren't saved in the past -- we are "being saved" right now. And this understanding makes the resurrection irrelevant to our salvation, which Paul emphasized even more than the crucifixion. Arminians get into trouble when they adopt the thoroughly Calvinistic punishment view of Christ's atonement, which is not the view of the historic Church.
The idea that the elect were saved before the world was created is unbiblical nonsense. We are saved by grace through faith; however, in your view faith happens to people who are already saved, not a necessary condition for salvation.
We were NOT saved from eternity. We were NOT saved on the cross. We WERE saved when we placed our trust in Christ and received his Spirit. Calvinism (along with the penal substitution theory), by taking away "true" free will, renders the Biblical view nonsensical.
Ephesians 1:4 According as "HE" hath chosn us n "HIM" BEFORE the foundatn of the world, that we SHOULD BE holy and without blame before "HIM" n lv:
Ephesians 2:10 For we are "HIS" workmanship, created in "CHRIST JESUS" unto good works, which "GOD" hath B4 ORDAINED that we SHOULD WALK in them.
yr interpretations are drenched in humanism which REFUSES to put The "KING" of kings in "HIS" RIGHTFUL place. u sk 2 exalt man above "GOD". Plz Repent, study, pray & make sure yr salvtn w/ fear and tremblg.
I am not denying election. I am denying the Calvinist-Augustinian, hyper-individualistic interpretation of election, which is garbage. We are elect because we are IN Christ and Christ is elect.
Do you even hear yourself? You are claiming that salvation by faith is humanism! Gimme a freakin' break. Ugh. This is what consistent Calvinism leads to. In your view faith is just an "outcome" of salvation, like works; it does not save us.
I understand Ephesians. I don't think you understand Galatians.
As i said. u REFUSE to give THE "LORD" "HIS" Place in yr heart, mind and soul. Faith is the RESULT of "HIS" ELECTION, (not) of any work lest any of u should boast and we already see the challenges ur having with this alone.
But the (TRUE) THINGS of my "LORDS'" CROSS is foolishness to (all) those whom "HE" has blinded.
I just pray u come to the knowledge of the truth so u can be truly saved.
I appreciate your concern for my salvation, but I find it very offensive that you think you can criticize my personal relationship with Christ and assert that I'm not saved simply because I don't accept John Calvin's twisted views on election/predestination.
The gospel was not "lost" for the 300 years in between Paul and Augustine nor the 1200 years in between Augustine and Calvin. Faith is a gift of God, yes, but God has locked up all in disobedience in order that He can show mercy to ALL.
This is completely out of context, Paul stating what God has chosen christians "TO BE" not that he chose Paul before the foundation of the world. God knows what kind of people he wants in order to serve and worship him wants. Ephesians 2:10 is implying the samething, we are to be ordained unto good works. He is describing the characteristics of a good Christian and how those were ordained. Not people. Why would God create a person to send them to hell?
This comment alone identifies who you are. u replied to me. I've never heard from or dialogued with u before. But the spirit of the letter lets me know u and your god. I only wanted to understand u better and now I do.
The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination in the sight of God Prov. 15,7,8. So any good that a man does apart from regeneration only adds more wrath upon himself. Romans 2:5 said that if a man hasn't repented and trust the Saviors then none of the good deed mean anything to God. Not even a good thought.
If a drowning man is thrown a life preserver and he grabs onto it without being physically forced to do so, would anyone claim he is saving himself? Would you insist, "Aw, all his 'rescuer' did was give him the power to save himself..."? Of course not. And yet that is an objection Calvinists very frequently raise. It's ridiculous.
I guess, you're answering a question I asked someone else... who was rude to me for no apparent reason.
And so, I guess, you're answer is "no, you don't save yourself." Which was my point to him.
Your point doesn't make sense to me. Would I insist that "all the rescuer did was give him the power to save himself?" ??? What? You're making my point for me.... Did you mean to type "Arminianists" instead of "Calviinists"?
"The integrity of the heart is what God looks at"
I'm going to heaven because of the integrity of my heart (says the Arminian).
The good news of Jesus is salvation by grace (alone): boasting is excluded. A man cannot be saved by the "integrity of the heart" of him; Christ's integrity, Christ's righteousness, Christ's death on the cross is what saves. The man who thinks he is saved because God looks at the "integrity" of his heart does not believe in the gospel.
Taltz911 5 months ago
@Taltz911 That is not true in classical arminianism as held by many christian confessions. Those who agree with arminius believe in God's prevenient grace as the sole source of salvation. Any integrity of the heart is empowered by God's grace. Where we differ is between conditional election and unconditional election.
StAugustine79 1 week ago in playlist Calvinism vs Arminianism
@StAugustine79 Granted. Classical Arminianism is not represented here. But the pop Arminianism which is represented does make such self-contradictory statements. But if you think that election to salvation is conditional upon your works (Pelagianism) or your acceptance of the gospel (Arminianism), if you think that salvation is of him who runs (Pelagianism) or of him who wills (Arminianism), then you are relying on your own co-operation with God for your salvation and have fallen from grace.
Taltz911 5 days ago
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To ARMINIANS -Romans 11:32 "for God has shut up all to unbelief, that he might have mercy on all".
To CALVINISTS -1 Timothy 4:10"for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of ALL MEN ESPECIALLY y of those believing."
DOUBTERS I Cor. 15:23-28"But every man in his own order:..For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet..last enemy...destroyed is DEATH... Son also Himself be subject unto Him..that God may be ALL IN ALL"
motibi 6 months ago
"Those who were ordained to eternal life believed" That's an odd way for God to say that those who he foresaw in the past that they believed and were therefore ordained.
DerZanDa 6 months ago
1 john 2:2 a calvinist would complelty rip this verse out of their bible
bassett22 6 months ago
Does anyone know if I can get a transcript of these videos?
therampantscot 7 months ago
The Gentiles with the Laws on their hearts are not talking about people without Christ, since "showing the work of the Law written on their hearts" is the evidence of the New Covenant in action -- he was rebuking Christian Jews for boasting in their knowledge of the Law and trying to teach Christian Gentiles how to live.
1156511 7 months ago
Although I have great respect for both my Calvinist and Arminian brothers in Christ, and the various Biblical arguments thereof (given in good faith), Rev. Steward seemed, in his manner of speech, debate, and interacting with others, patronizing and condescending. I am sorry to say that this seems to be far more common amongst my Reformed brothers than I would like. I also do not feel that the Reverend has ample scriptural authority to support a Complete denial of the gifts of the spirit today.
WanderingOisin 7 months ago
So if I robbed a bank, I can just tell the judge, "GOD MADE ME DO IT"! Remember, God hardened the heart of the Pharaoh! Therefore, he could tell Moses, "Hey, Dude, don't blame me...God made me do it!" See how dumb that sounds!
chapmaned 8 months ago
NO FREE WILL? So I guess that God already determined who is going to win the Super Bowl? God chose who is going to win American Idol? God Chose who won the chess game I played last night? God made me do it? God chose what I had for breakfast this morning, I had no choice at all? God predestined me to get a hair cut?
chapmaned 8 months ago
@chapmaned My friend you are making incorrect suppositions here. The doctrines of grace do not teach that God chooses everything that we do as far as just everyday decisions. In this respect man is a free agent. There are some hyper-Calvinists that believe this, but that is not true reform theology. The doctrines of grace simply say that salvation is completely of the Lord. God decreed that his elect will be saved and secured their salvation through the work of the cross.
jwednall 6 months ago
@jwednall The Doctrine of Grace goes well beyond what you said. You are only partly right, that salvation is OF the Lord. Grace is UNMERITED favor, meaning that we cannot obtain salvation by obeying the law. Abraham did not have the Law. Neither do Christians. We are the children of Abraham. Grace is a FREE GIFT. The ELECT are "whosoever" wills. Revelation indicates that names in the ETERNAL book of life can be BLOTTED out. GOD, in the OT states, "CHOOSE THIS DAY ______".
chapmaned 6 months ago
@chapmaned Yes but why is the whosoever willing? Phil 2:13 -For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Also if salvation is totally of the Lord, and yet YOU make the choice, then salvation has to be at least a little bit of you because you cooperated. So the ultimately your salvation depends on you making the choice. Please explain how you can do this when you are dead in your sins? But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God.
jwednall 6 months ago
@jwednall The deeds of the flesh profit nothing. In other words, God wills things to happen to fulfill his purpose, and yet, it has absolutely nothing to do with salvation or non salvation. If you don't think that the Pharaoh is in heaven with Moses, then you don't see the Grace of God. The Pharaoh wanted to let the people go, but God hardened his heart. God never said that the Pharaoh is NOT saved. The Calvinists do, but the Bible does not.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@chapmaned So are you saying that everyone is saved no matter what? Pharaoh is in heaven? I would really like to see your proof on this one. Pharaoh was a vessel of wrath. He worshiped idols. His heart was never changed by grace. The Lord destroyed him in the Red Sea. How can you make the case that he was saved?
jwednall 6 months ago
@jwednall In regards to the Pharaoh, pertaining to needing to be saved, I would point you to the word IMPUTED in Romans chapters 4-7. Before the law, sin was in the world...When was "before the law"? Does the Pharaoh fall into this catagory? Yes. Sin is the transgression of the law. The Law is the KNOWLEDGE of sin. Before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is NOT IMPUTED (COUNTED) when there is no law. For where no law is, there is NO transgression....cont.
chapmaned 6 months ago
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chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall For I was ALIVE (DEAD "TO" SIN) once without the law...BUT WHEN the commandment came, sin REVIVED, and I DIED (DEAD "IN" SIN). BLESSED IS THE MAN TO WHOM THE LORD WILL NOT "IMPUTE" SIN.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall In order to be dead in your sins, you must have first have been ALIVE without sin. Romans chapters 4-7 explain this, and now couple this with Deuteronomy 1:39. It is ONLY by knowledge of Good and Evil that you DIE in your sins. Until then, you are NOT accountable to your sins. For before the law, sin was in the world, but sin is NOT imputed where there is NO LAW. Who got to go to the promised land (Heaven)? Caleb and Joshua...and those who had NO knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. Deu 1:39
chapmaned 6 months ago
@chapmaned Psalm 51:5 -Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me. We were all born in sin. We were all born in the image of Adam after the fall. The bible said that Adam had sons in his image. Let me ask you? Did anyone have to teach you how to get angry,lie,lust,and be greedy? You are right. Abraham did not have the law. He obey by faith. The Spirit of God was wrought faith in him so that he was obedient according Heb. 11
jwednall 6 months ago
@jwednall In regards to Psalm 51:5, we ARE born IN SIN, NOT WITH SIN. Original Sin is a doctrine of Constantine, which Calvin and Luther brought forth from Catholicism. David and Solomon wrote Psalms, but yet it was God who spoke Deuteronomy 1:39. In Deu. 1:39, it shows that it is possible for people to have NO KNOWLEDGE (TREE OF KNOWLEDGE) of good and evil. Before Adam and Eve ate of the tree, THEY HAD NO KNOWLEDGE, and therefore, NO SIN could be accounted to them, UNTIL they got knowledge.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall You said, "So are you saying that everyone is saved no matter what?" What I am saying is that in order for you to be LOST, you were once NOT LOST. IN that case, when you were once NOT lost, there is NO NEED for salvation. Those who have NO KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil fall under this category, in which Deuteronomy 1:39 AND Romans 7:7-10 indicates. Now, couple this with the FACT that the Book of Life in Revelation, names are BLOTTED out, not ADDED TO. This indicates...Continued
chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall This indicates that everyone at one time was INDEED ORDAINED TO ETERNAL LIFE, and that one at a time, NAMES ARE BLOTTED OUT. Notice that names are never added to the book of life. This shows that everyone's name at one time was written in the book of life. Names are then deleted, not added.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall In regards to Pharaoh, God only destroyed the Pharaohs life on this planet. That has nothing to do with his spirit. Example: the people that did not listen to Noah, Jesus went to preach to them, you will read this in the epistle of Peter. All of them were saved. And why? Because they were BEFORE THE LAW. Adam sinned. Do you think he is burning in hell too? NO! God restored the relationship by sacrificing the first animal, Just like he sacrificed the last animal (lamb).
chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall In regard to Adam's son in his image, it was NOT discussing sinful nature image. It was discussing that his kids look like him, rather than an ape, or dog, or pig, or fish, etc. When it is said that Adam was made in the image of God, it does not mean righteous, it means that man looks like God, and not an ape, or dog, or fish, or cattle, etc.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall When you say that Abraham obeyed by faith, God did not IMPUTE faith to him, God imputed RIGHTEOUSNESS to him because he had faith. God did not FORCE Abraham to believe. God does not FORCE anyone to have faith. I know Hebrews 11. God does not give faith to anyone. He gives eternal life to those of faith. Abraham BELIEVED God, and it was accounted to him for RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is how we get eternal life...WE BELIEVE GOD. Who is forced to believe God?
chapmaned 6 months ago
@chapmaned Again, the reason that anyone believes is because they are of his sheep. John 10:26 states that the Pharisees could not believe because they were not sheep. Acts 13:48 states that as many as were ordained unto eternal life believed. Phil. 2:13 says that it is God who is at work in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do you believe that salvation is completely of God or not? If what you say is true than it is not, because you have to help God out to be saved.
jwednall 6 months ago
@jwednall And I say "Again", that at one time, EVERYONE was his sheep...THEN you become lost. There is an order of events. You can't be LOST unless you were once OWNED. And AGAIN, I point you to the word "IMPUTED" in order to answer the second part of your question. You may find this in Romans Chapters 4-7, and Deuteronomy 1:39. Let the Bible speak for itself, rather than for me to give my opinion. What does the word "IMPUTED" mean? Read Romans Chapters 4-7, Deu 1:39, & then lets talk.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall Good works is what God ORDAINED for a Christian to do. Christians are ORDAINED to do good works. God ordained the CONDUCT of a Christian, for his good pleasure, as it is outlined by the Apostles as to what LOVE LOOKS LIKE.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@chapmaned That's not what the text says. It says as many a were ordained unto eternal life believed. This mentions nothing of anyone's works. I agree that obedience is ordained for us to walk in. However this good works cannot believe. People do.
jwednall 6 months ago
@jwednall I know what the text states. But a book report is not summarized by one quote, now is it? I thought you people were into exegesis? Don't you take ALL of what is written into context before you make a report? Come on, now. Read "The Rest of the Story", as Paul Harvey would say.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@jwednall Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@chapmaned Amen. We are created in Christ Jesus unto good works. I totally agree.
jwednall 6 months ago
@chapmaned So, I am asking you. There are people out there in the world today that commit sin. They are liars and cheaters and etc. Are you saying that these people are not guilty before God because they do not know what they are doing is sinful? Is this what you are saying or am I misunderstanding you?
jwednall 6 months ago
@jwednall In addition, for those who have no knowledge of good and evil, they still have a conscience that makes them "feel" guilt. These are judged by their conscience, and NOT any Law of Moses. You can read this in Romans Chapter 2:12-16. This applies also to those who never heard of God, or Jesus. One Calvinist I spoke to tells me that these people are burning in hell, i.e. Amazon people with bones in their noses that carry spears that never heard, he indicated to me that they're ALL in hell.
chapmaned 6 months ago
@chapmaned We also have Acts13:48-And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed. Notice it did not say that because they believed that they were ordained to eternal life, it says as many who were ordained unto eternal life believed.
jwednall 6 months ago
In Romans 7:18 Paul is talking about his flesh . In the ancient world the flesh can refer to your physical body but it can also refer to your weakness . The second meaning is what Paul has in mind (notice that Paul goes from saying "in myself" then clarifies it with "in my flesh") , he is saying that in "in my weakness there is nothing good , even if I desire to do good , I cannot carry it out . I hope this clear up the context of Romans 7:18 .
haibane13 8 months ago in playlist Calvinsim
I like what Rev. Ramsay said about the First Adam and Second Adam. Jesus is for everyone!
double91trouble 8 months ago
i fully support the british guy he was quoting and interpreting sciptures in harmony with other scriptures with no contradictive while the host and the other guy misinterpret the scriptures. they got served
TheMonetwork 11 months ago
calvinist think that where all zombies and we all doing gods decree ask a true calvinist if a rapist rapes someone did god decree that that have to say yes, in the bible god hates inquity and sin why would god decree sin and all the inquity in the world. its a contridiction God would be hateing his own plan. i know a few calvinist who continue to sin because they say god tells them to have fun, its a excuse for continue to sin and not be account able for it.
Xcom704 1 year ago
Lol - the host is probably from Rev Timothy's Church!
How can Rev Angus say HE IS SAVED if he still committs sin? Salvation is not a one time event in a person's life.
Jesus will come to judge in vengance those who do not know him and on those who do not obey the gospel.
Thus a believer still is obligated to make 'effort' to fulfill the obligatory teachings of the Gospel...
There is no harmony in the teachings of the Apostolic Orthodox and Universal Church of God on this matter
salilihabibi 1 year ago
@salilihabibi
Yes. I agree with you that salvation is not a one time event in a person's life. It's in Hebrews 4. Sadly, this chapter is not seen by most people, even theologians.
TalmidRoi 1 year ago
These guys are so arrogant.
Lazarus1213 1 year ago
Lol. They way Rev. Stewart says "yeah, uhuh" seems so pretentious and patronizing lol. not that he meant it that way
LiveRaidei 1 year ago
Jerzey, you are correct that you are both commanded and must fulfill certain moral commands, but that does not mean you can will yourself to. The problem lies in the nature. Why do we do what we do? Conscious actions are dictated by the judgment, which itself is informed by expectations of gratitude derived from appetites of the nature. In short, we naturally choose whichever action we think will bring greater satisfaction. Our wills are not free, but are servants and reflections of our nature.
ImputedRighteousnes 1 year ago
To be the best "talker" doesn't mean to be the winner and telling the truth
Happy are the modest of spirit
akkafietje 1 year ago
If Jesus wanted to save everyone,then why did He say He taught in parables so to veil the truth so that some wouldn't hear and be saved?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Calvinists often quote Romans 7 - but do not move on to Romans 8. The righteousness of the law will be fulfilled in us - only if we walk after the spirit, and not the flesh! (See Romans 8v4) All around me I see people who claim to have asked Jesus into their hearts - but are committing adultery etc. "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12v14)
Peace777able 1 year ago
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1John 2v2) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. (1Timothy 4v10) Because Jesus died for everybody doesn't mean that all will be saved. We are saved by grace through faith. Man had freewill in the Garden of Eden. He still has freewill - choose you this day whom ye will serve!
Peace777able 1 year ago
"good thing I got to heaven because I chose, but not them. They never heard it, and aren't really guilty I guess but..." now that's not fair. What do you really have to be thankful for if God didn't save it in spite of our resistance to Him? Shouldn't you be glad that even when you knowingly resisted Him, he saved you anyway?
100Versityle 1 year ago
'For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.'
Romans 9:15 + 16
Seems like even the Apostle Paul agrees with the Calvinist on this one.
wargamingpastor 2 years ago
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We all like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:6.
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All have sinned so the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. It does not differ to say first all have gone astray then some have had their iniquity laid upon him.
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Is this true?
Dejavu12321 2 years ago
w0w Arminians get pwnd..
0jericurl0 2 years ago
Sometimes i just can't understand why calvinists make everything so complicated. It seems to me that once you accept calvinism it twist your mind so that you can't understand the plain meaning of the bible any more.
cherubimX 2 years ago
@cherubimX I beg to disagree. I find Calvinism very helpful in understanding the truth of Scripture. I believe many reject it because it brings out the truth that man is totally helpless without God and that man's free will is nothing apart from the saving grace of Jesus. This truth is foolishness and repugnant to man's sinful nature. The arminian believes that man has the final control of his destiny and that he, not God, decides whether he goes to heaven or hell.
mpenaco 2 years ago
It sounds to me that, according to Rev. Ramsay, Christ being the second Adam, all men have had their sins forgiven at the cross, man just has to accept and apply the blood of Jesus. What about people who don't accept and apply the blood of Jesus? Do they go to hell with their sins forgiven or does God punish sin twice, once in His son Jesus on the cross and again in the sinner who is cast into hell? God is perfect and His justice is perfect. In perfect justice sin can not be punished twice.
FaithfulAndTrue100 2 years ago
Calvinism is rock solid consistent. That's why I have to accept it. I wish a Calvinist would talk about the election of Israel via Abraham though. This is a perfect correlation to New Testament election. God could have chosen the Hittites or the Moabites or whomever, but he chose the Israelites via no merit of their own. Everything in the Old Testament is an exact correlation and reflection of the New Testament's message.
higgolini 2 years ago
Calvinism is the most confusing doctrine that has ever existed on the face of the planet, and it is also the most inconsistent.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lol sorry it confuzed you maine
0jericurl0 2 years ago
The only reason God did not chose Israel instead of the Hittites or Moabites is simply for the fact that God has to start "somewhere". Under your theology, you are making God the one to damn the Hittites and Moabites. Can you not logically think that it was God's will for Israel to be HIS AGENTS to TAKE the gospel to the world, including the Moabites, Hittites or whoever? We have many scriptural passages where God says that Israel was to be a blessing to ALL NATIONS!
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
God also sent Joshua into Israel to destroy the nations that were occupying it because he had given it to the Jews. He elected them from among the nations as his people. In the new Testament a new covenant was made extending this election to people of all nations, yes.
And I don't think any dedicated Calvinist believes this theology allows them to "do as you please," or that it's a "comfortable religion." Calvinists are perhaps the most pious and strict Christians there are.
higgolini 2 years ago
Before Joshua conquered these nations, they were given an opportunity to repent. It would be too much for me to go into the details, but if you analyze all the stories carefully, Joshua cave them all opportunity. There was one story where a kingdom begged Joshua not to destroy them, and they asked to be part of them, and the request was granted, and they became a part of Israel.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
The problem with Calvinism, is that it is a doctrine that appeals to the flesh. It is a comfortable religion, because if you feel God has elected you at one point, then the temptation arises that you can do as you please, and nothing can change that. No, you can choose to do wrong, U despise God's choosing of you. You can turn around and be lost if you choose. I don't want to hear anyone try to convince me otherwise. It is foolishness in His site. There are far more important things to discuss.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
you are wrong buddy....a true Christian will desire to do God's will, to say that you feel you are comfortable and that you can do whatever want only means that you are deceived, and that you are not a christian. ;)
0jericurl0 2 years ago
@0jericurl0
You miss my point. A true Christian will desire God's will, but he has to exercise that desire. Every single human being can choose to exercise that desire in them. But instead, the wicked choose to not have that desire. All the wicked will be guilty in the day of judgment. Everyone of them will see that they could have been saved. Under Calvinistic, semantic jugglary, the wicked have one-up on God, and will be able to accuse Him of predestining them to hell.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
I love how the calvinist debated with the "neutral" host more than he did with the armanian...lol
daddysblessedgurl 2 years ago 17
well i kind of think its a good thing because he probably answered a large part of questions for believers watching
dominicano0226 2 years ago
I agree. Of course he's going to have an opinion, but he's acting far from neutral.
browneyedgrl89 2 years ago
that's because he was convinced at the begining of the "debate"...The Calvinist is extremely gracious in spite of this obvious "ambush"
christologist 2 years ago
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@daddysblessedgurl "I love how the calvinist debated with the "neutral" host more than he did with the armanian...lol"
lol yeah, well its because the "neutral" host kept questioning him, taking the position of the arminian. I feel bad for the armenian because, the host debated for him.
semajgnik 1 year ago
the clarity and power of the "calvinist' position presented here by this brother trounces the arminianism of his two debaters
bradsland 2 years ago 5
@bradsland the clarity and power of the "calvinist' position presented here by this brother trounces the arminianism of his two debaters.........i am will to bet your a white person, AND that 100 years ago you would not even debate these two black people, as 100 percent of all white churches in USA would not even let a black person into the church to worship, even the Pres and supreme court were against black people. do you see your arrogance and self righteousness?
hemet92544 10 months ago
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2000agc 9 months ago
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@hemet92544 Turn your picture off and listen to their words. Your statement is racist and should be banned. Look at the debaters the way God looks at us. Look only at their hearts and not the color of their skin.
2000agc 9 months ago
If there is no hope for those who came before Christ, then why have an idea of the Elect? What, only the elect came after Christ? MAKES NO SENSE! Calvinism is from Calvin, Christianity is from CHRIST who is GOD in the flesh. Why follow men like Calvin? Stupid! Sorry, I refuse to go the Calvin way. Are all Calvinists part of the elect? I bet they think so! Too bad, according to them, they can't be!
koldkase77 2 years ago
Exactly but keep in mind. Christ said he is the way. Not calvin NOR arminian. I just point this out because i noticed you didn't mention arminius. Don't let your personal feelings override the Bible brother. This is a good topic to discuss, but it shouldn't be a dividing issue nor should it cause you to be hostile to your calvinist brothers.
dominicano0226 2 years ago
Passage in Genesis 20 is actually disproving FREE WILL of man :D
look it for yourself
How can a just married man to a very beautiful wife restrain himself with sleeping with her on the first night. Well that's how :
Genesis 20 6:Then God said to him in the dream, "Yes, I know you did this with a clear conscience, and so I have kept you from sinning against me. That is why I did not let you touch her.
Who kept him from sinning?
Who did not let him touch her
Was Abimelech aware of God keeping him
S1nApS3 2 years ago
I like that Irish man :)
He talks amazing.
God bless him and his opponents(both of them) :)
S1nApS3 2 years ago
is it just me or is the host not know what he is talking about?
mcheng400 2 years ago
I think the host should be the debater, HE KNOWS A LOT IT SEEMS!
koldkase77 2 years ago
1. God is sovereign
God made Adam and allowed him toe CHOOSE he could have chosen NOT to sin
2. Sin passed to 100% of men
There is no sin that is available to one and not another
3. In Adam all died 100% die physically(actually no, Enoch and Elijah did not die) , but not 100% spiritually (some went to the bussom of Abraham)
4. in Christ 100% will be made alive again, but many will experience the 2nd death
buzzbbird 2 years ago
The "mediator" is so off base at the end of this video(part 5) that he is confusing himself. Even the arminian is trying to tell him that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God!
mvilland 2 years ago
9:42 we were once sinners? wether you are saved or not you are a sinner and i am going too bring this up agian when Jesus died on the cross he didn't say i hope somone believes he siad it is finished! thier had too be elect that he would save
100yearsofhalo 2 years ago
That dude is a terrible mediator. You can tell he hates Calvinism. Reminds me of myself before God opened my eyes to the Doctrines of Grace. He's saying it doesn't flow well in his spirit, but it flows beautifully in the Bible.
rayshores 2 years ago
Very Well Said.
FirebrandNIRE 2 years ago
As someone who sides more with the Arminian side I have to agree. The guy is a terrible mediator and was completely impartial!
takethepain 2 years ago
Don't you mean he was completely Partial ? :-)
FirebrandNIRE 2 years ago
I know right, but you can't blame him though, overall the Calvinist view much more difficult to accept because of what we have been taught in modern day churches. I am in the middle right now, LOL.
luiszimb 2 years ago
Amen. I'm so thankful God opened my eyes also. This mediator is terrible! I thought he was supposed to be neutral? But hats off to Rev. Angus because he is backing everything up with Scripture.
twalk4ever 2 years ago
man you got indoctrinated lol....
prophetelijah 2 years ago
Yep. 2 vs 1.
Arminian vs Calvinism.
geneUA 2 years ago
So heart4moocows..do u believe that u poses what it takes to accept salvation?..and i see u wrote "we are not saved on the cross" which is heresy if christ did not atone for our sins of the elect then we would all die in go to hell cause the bible say's that the wages of sin is death romans 6:23..not to be rude but your theology sounds man centered like most arminian teachings..god did predestine and atone 4 his elect and it is completely biblical romans 8:28-30...
Younghustle1107 2 years ago 2
I agree!
cjc1242 2 years ago
In all cases, which are only two, where God mentions predestined, it is referring to those who choose God. He predestines His will for those who Choose him.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
Predestination, election, ordains are all the same. You are wrong when you say there are only 2. In almost all of Paul's letters he mentions it. Jesus says in John 6:44 "That NO ONE can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." (emphasis mine). Predestination is in Acts and Revelation. Be careful when you state "facts" if you haven't closely scrutinized the Bible.
mkalinyuk87 2 years ago
Maybe you should finish the scripture, How are they drawn? through the hearing of the word. People in sin give no thought about God but when the Gospel is heard then God begins to work with them. Acts 25 Paul and King Agrippa, He was "almost Persuaded" yet resisted. But if you believe in Total depravity and irresistible Grace How do you explain Titus 2:11 The grace that bringeth forth salvation.....appeared unto all men." So why is the world not saved.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
Then why don't you explain why the Pharisees never believed? They saw miracles. But Christ himself said that they don't believe, because they are DEAF and BLIND. Two things only a Sovereign God could heal. Almost persuaded does not mean salvation. Paul was convincing with what he said to Agrippa, but Agrippa was deaf and dumb to the Gospel. Titus 2:11. Ok, before you read Titus, you have to know who he was. He was a gentile who believed through Paul. "All men" in this context means Jew AND greek
mkalinyuk87 2 years ago
I understand you what oyu are trying to say but ultimately the pharisees chose tonot believe, You are implying they had no choice to not even believe which limits Gods, according to your belief. When refering to King Agrippa, shere does it state he was dumb and blind? You are adding to the scipture.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
Because Titus was a gentile, Paul being a Jew, wrote that grace has appeared unto all men, and not just Jews as the Jews claimed. That would explain the context of John 3:16. In that passage Jesus is teaching Nicodemus (a pharisee who believed the Messiah was only for Jews) that God loved the world (not ONLY Jews but ALSO gentiles). Context my brother context. Back to King Agrippa again. The parable of the Sower and Seed could explain why Agrippa didn't believe. Christ is the sower and chooses
mkalinyuk87 2 years ago
All men is interpreted as universal. There is not specific type and the Context of the scripture is complete. Again it appears as if you are adding to the scripture. Christ was very clear when he states he came to both Jew and Gentile because His children refused Him. This implies a choice.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
where to sow. If you are all about free will, then tell me why are you born into the family you are? Why did you never get to choose? Why did God choose the family you were going to be born into? Why were you not born into a third world country where some people don't get the privilege about hearing about the Grace of God? Tough questions that only God's word may answer and that answer is that God is sovereign over ALL of earth!
mkalinyuk87 2 years ago
Didn't get this til this morning. But very well stated. Thanks be to my "LORD" for the eyes to see "HE" has given you. Hopefully "HE'LL" see fit to unblind and undeafen the arminiest.
marcsimac 2 years ago
Yet the questions are all philosohical non are criptual or benefit the doctrine of Salvation. Why didnt I choose my family? person it was I wasnt to do so. But my family did not choose me either. I was brought inot my family by chance. Are you implying that you were brought into the Family of God by chance as well? Well you may believe in Free Will too. Praise God! You dont believe God deals with the unsaved right? Them expalins Romas 1.? Your doctrine is based on Philosophy not bible.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
You were brought into your family by chance? Are you serious???? You believe in God AND chance? And my words are spelled out. Go over your messages and correct your spelling because it is hard to understand. Soli Deo Gloria means "To God alone be the glory!" That was what the Reformers cried out against the Catholic church. And that is WHO gets the glory. Not you for salvation and not any other man. But you say that it is man who ultimately gets glory because man ultimately chooses. Blasphemy!
mkalinyuk87 2 years ago
Of course! God knew I would be born but he did not predestine me to be born. Foreknowledge and your theory of predestination are two different things. Gods foreknowledge still leaves choice availabe to man, If God truly chose a selected people then you are saying He is unjust to all makind. You are changing Gods plan of Salvation. In John 3:16 "whosoever believeth" That is not the elect. God gets the Glory for sending Christ the propitiation -covering- for our sins, there is no election.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
God's justice demands payment. We all deserve to die for our sins. Therefor if God forgives any it is because of his mercy in Jesus Christ. Jesus died for sin. If he died for all sin for everybody, does God now demand payment? According to Arminianism he does.
hambone425 2 years ago
Your statement is not implied anywhere in the Bible, He does not demand payment, this is where you confuse true grace with irresistable grace. According to Calvinist he demands because he forces some to be saved. Grace is given to all men in the sense that he died for everyone, just because, and now they can choose. How can God demand payment when He PAID for our sins? again, your statement is twisting words and making implications that just not there.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
I agree he paid for OUR sins. OUR is those who trust in Christ. If he paid for everyones sins then everyone would be saved. U and I both know that not everyone is saved. Why? Because some people are not forgiven or for another reason? If I forgive someone of their sin against me they are forgiven, they don't have to accept it, they just are. If my statement is not implied anywhere in the Bible then why did Christ die? He died because God demands payment for sin. It is implied all over the Bible.
hambone425 2 years ago
But you should know that Christ dying for OUR sins implies the whole world. That means Everyone has the OPPORTUNITY to accept Him as Savior Romans 10:13. Your sin is not Paid until you accept Him. Why do you calvi's not accept the fact that when God say world or whososever he means mankind. Its in the greek lexicon.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
1st off I am not a calvinist. I do appreciate discussion about the Bible. We can agree that whoever puts their faith in Christ is saved. The Bible clearly teaches that God however gives grace and he gives faith. He is the one that changes us. Its not the other way around. God is King not a Congressman. He doesn't have to OK anything with anybody other than himself.
The Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life.
hambone425 2 years ago
Yes we are in agreement. I know The teaching of Faith and Grace are also Taught. He does change us as well. But not before Salvation. We have to willingly accept Him and that happens when He Draws us by the Teaching of the Gospel. But if you refuse Him then you are still in the same state. God does not change you unless you want to be changed and then accept Him.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
I appreciate your comments, but I do disagree with the statement that God does not change us before we accept him. Do you suppose Saul (Paul) wanted to be changed before Jesus struck him down on the road to Damascus? Or the man beside Jesus on the cross who at first was joining with the other criminal in mocking Christ? Suddenly his heart was changed, and that by God.
hambone425 2 years ago
In Romans Paul makes it very clear you have to believe in order to be saved. If Paul had not changed his way he would have remained blind and unsaved, but he did What God commanded him to do and that was to go and see Aaron. So there is a difference. God deals with man and some are motiviated to change and others are not. King Aripa made that clear when He told Paul, "Almost persuade me" God was dealing him but he went the other way.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
"God was dealing him but he went the other way" ??
Do you seriously understand the implications of what you are saying here?
Was the King's will more powerful to overthrow the Will of God? If of course, God was infact dealing with him as you claim. Is this what you are proposing? Seriously ?
FirebrandNIRE 2 years ago
You need to seriously understand the Scripture. If you believe nobody can resist God then I recomend reading the Bible again. Isaiah 65 is a good Chapter. God stretchs out His hands to a rebellious people and they refuse to obey. Romans 1, God is dealing with the Wicked but then gives them up because they want to remain blind def. Why would God deal with a blind and def? Isaiah chapter 1, Israel turned against God. Its not a power issue with God, He wants people who want Him.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
You've totally missed the point in all this.
Just because God commands his creatures to carry out certain conditions, does not mean that they are capable of fulfilling this commands. Take the Ten Commandments for instance, do you seriously think that any man (except Christ) can fulfill the law? NO of course not, but this does not mean that therefore should not command these things from his subjects. Sin Prohibits man to obey God in any shape or form.
FirebrandNIRE 2 years ago
So you are saying God Can Not keep us from Sin, well that goes agains scripture psalms 19:13, 17:4, 119:11, I Peter 4:1 We are to cease from sin. Can a practicing sinful person enter heaven? I think you totally do not have a point. You make God weak whe you say we can not live by the rules He has given us. We have strength to not sin when we are in Christ. But can you answer my question inthe previous post. Why did God deal with people who rejected Him. Since they are not the Chosen?
Jerzey55 2 years ago
Jersey, we can totally get carried away here w/the Arm/Calv debate, but what concerns me most is that we believe what the Bible teaches. I think you would agree this is what is important as well. My prayer is to become a biblical christian and I pray that for you too. Our main job as Christ followers is to go and share the gospel. In this we honor God showing him that we love him and we bring glory and honor to his name. Live the gospel and do the will of the Father. May God richly bless you.
hambone425 2 years ago
I agree with your statement, but I have a problem with how you distribute Grace. This will sound like I am attacking but I am not, I believe when someone says they are saved by Gods irresistible Grace, they are legalizing salvation. God makes it clear in Scripture that the unsaved person has to acknowledge his wrong doing and turn from their wicked ways. Its not a work salvation but it is a requirement, repentance. If the unsaved do not believe they are that bad then it is not salvation.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
@FirebrandNIRE Job did a good job lol (no pun intended lol). read 2 Peter 2:1 and 1 John2:2, This shows that Christ died for everybody, including false prophets. Also, we cannot boast about reaching Heaven by choosing Christ, just like a person cannot boast about being invited to a party. without the invitation to Heaven, it is not possible. well Arminiam or Calvinist we should consider ourself Christians first :) God Bless
StrayCloud 1 year ago
@FirebrandNIRE Actually if you look at the word for keep in hebrew it literally means "cherish" and the word for disobey in those passages means "trample underfoot".
So....
TheCarydal 1 year ago
@Jerzey55 You must ask yourself, "What is the condition of man prior to conversion?" Is he dead, as the Bible says, or just very, very ill, as the Arminians say? If the Bible says dead, but we say not really dead, then maybe Lazarus wasn't really dead. Maybe Jesus just fainted on the cross. But the Bible says dead, and it means dead. That is why you need to be regenerated, born again, before you can even see the kingdom of God.
Halloranhill 1 year ago
Honestly, Firebrand.
As if man could thwart the will of God!
Lol.
I have noticed the arbiter says "God Bless you" after Pastor Ramsay speaks, but only "Okay" when Pastor Stewart does.
It is two on one and yet Angus is clearly the winner here.
silmalila 2 years ago
@Jerzey55 Yes&Paul also makes it very clear that man cannot believe apart from regeneration.People must repent, believe, trust.These are fruits of regeneration. Unregenerate cannot Rom8:7-8 Look at the story of Lazereth. He heard the call of Jesus,he chose to obey it, he came forward.Sounds alot like conversion right? But you are forgetting something. HE WAS DEAD!!! God had to make him alive(Eph 2:1-10)& with that new life he also gave him the desire & ability to hear, get up,& obey.
all4Hisgloryalone 1 year ago
Hambone:
Regeneration prededes our coming to faith. We were dead in our trespasses and sins and were not able to seek God or have any desire for Him before that.
A dead man cannot resurrect himself; God does a prevenient work in the heart of the sinner, giving him the desire for God and thus comes to faith, which is alsio a gift of God.
You're right, God has to not only change the man but give him spiritual life as well.
God can and does change people without saving them, i.e. Pharoah.
silmalila 2 years ago
Amen. I agree.
Keep fighting the good fight of faith silmalila.
hambone425 2 years ago
You have no idea how much I needed to hear an encouraging word, hb.
My cheeks are sore and I am so tired of wiping spit off my face.
I truly do love my fellow man, but he is often not very nice to me.
God bless you! I needed to hear a kind word and it was right on time, as usual.
He never lets me down.
: )
silmalila 2 years ago
mkalinyuk87 has answered u. u r lost. "GOD" IS HOLY and SOVEREIGN. u and the others (refuse) to give "HIM" "HIS" Praise and Honor "HE" most deserves.
u are of the spirit of those in LK 4:28-30. But i pray u find The Grace of "HIS" Love and Favor and that "HE" finds u worthy of "HIS" Choice as i do for all u love and hold dear.
But i will dialog with u no further for it is fruitless. my "LORD" has caused me to follow "HIM" in MATT 15:13-15
marcsimac 2 years ago
Amen. And SOLI DEO GLORIA!!!!!!!!!!!
mkalinyuk87 2 years ago
Your explaination of King agrippa is not true. How can you make yourself believe statements Paul never quoted. Calvinism, is a teaching that perverts the truth.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
Even if you believe that you chose God, how is your free will that you were born with better than the Muslim's free will? Obviously not everyone is born with the same free will like you claim, because not everyone chooses Christ. It's not philosophy. It's called keeping the Bible logical. You claim that God is NOT omnipotent and cannot save people without them "choosing Him." Is God All-Powerful?????
mkalinyuk87 2 years ago
Muslims believe in allah, not the God of Salvation. Most Religions teach Free will because it is correct as for their other doctrines, well thats another debate. God is all Powerful, saying you have the choice to follow Christ does not make him unpowerful, your doctrine does that. You Limit God by saying His salvation is limited by His elected. Why was it brought to the all man for Salvation? if it is only His favorites who get it? You are right not everybody Chooses Christ. Thank you.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
Im sorry your words I dont understand they are capped and you dont completely spell words out. Perhaps can you type better. Please! These arent answers all the person does is assume God is talking to the elect. I understand alvinism is hard to defend but do not grasp at straws please. It makes the topic very unfruitful. I am Saved Because when I heard the Gospel I chose to Accept Christ as my Savior. I was not forced into salvation.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
Guys" let us follow Jesus! Jesus said that flesh and blood did not reveal that Jesus is God's son unto peter" but it was God! do you believe? flesh did not reveal you this but God did!
finepaid 2 years ago 2
I think the debate was really between Stewart and that hard-headed host.
rcarrillo7 2 years ago 2
This moderator is dense.
Pormilous 2 years ago 2
this is ridiculous, this isn't debate. The moderator here has not asked the arminian a single question aside from the definition of arminianism and that was back in part one. completely lopsided and ridiculous. The arminian might as well kick of his shoes and take a nap. Too bad, this could have been really good.
HeWhoWasDead 2 years ago 3
I totally agree. I'm arminian so I'm not totally bothered (:P) but I had noticed that the guy said he was "neutral" at the start, but with an eeever so secret arminian streak in him.
iilwjcanc 2 years ago
The moderator was not neutral as he should have been. He took up the Arminian's side early on and kept saying "God Bless you" to the Arminian as he proceeded to argue with the Calvinist. Rev. Stewart , the Calvinist was clearly more knowledgable about the scriptures and even when the moderator tried to corner him he couldn't. The Calvinist clearly won this debate even against two Arminians. It wasn't even close!
NewDirection4us 2 years ago
I completely agree with you! God bless you! lol
rcarrillo7 2 years ago
Calvinists speak as if Jesus justified and saved the elect on the cross. This is not justification by faith, and salvation is a process. We aren't saved in the past -- we are "being saved" right now. And this understanding makes the resurrection irrelevant to our salvation, which Paul emphasized even more than the crucifixion. Arminians get into trouble when they adopt the thoroughly Calvinistic punishment view of Christ's atonement, which is not the view of the historic Church.
heart4moocows 3 years ago
This is incorrect the elect were saved before the world was created. Though Salvation is a continual process, the outcome is already determined.
marcsimac 2 years ago 3
The idea that the elect were saved before the world was created is unbiblical nonsense. We are saved by grace through faith; however, in your view faith happens to people who are already saved, not a necessary condition for salvation.
We were NOT saved from eternity. We were NOT saved on the cross. We WERE saved when we placed our trust in Christ and received his Spirit. Calvinism (along with the penal substitution theory), by taking away "true" free will, renders the Biblical view nonsensical.
heart4moocows 2 years ago
Ephesians 1:4 According as "HE" hath chosn us n "HIM" BEFORE the foundatn of the world, that we SHOULD BE holy and without blame before "HIM" n lv:
Ephesians 2:10 For we are "HIS" workmanship, created in "CHRIST JESUS" unto good works, which "GOD" hath B4 ORDAINED that we SHOULD WALK in them.
yr interpretations are drenched in humanism which REFUSES to put The "KING" of kings in "HIS" RIGHTFUL place. u sk 2 exalt man above "GOD". Plz Repent, study, pray & make sure yr salvtn w/ fear and tremblg.
marcsimac 2 years ago
I am not denying election. I am denying the Calvinist-Augustinian, hyper-individualistic interpretation of election, which is garbage. We are elect because we are IN Christ and Christ is elect.
Do you even hear yourself? You are claiming that salvation by faith is humanism! Gimme a freakin' break. Ugh. This is what consistent Calvinism leads to. In your view faith is just an "outcome" of salvation, like works; it does not save us.
I understand Ephesians. I don't think you understand Galatians.
heart4moocows 2 years ago
As i said. u REFUSE to give THE "LORD" "HIS" Place in yr heart, mind and soul. Faith is the RESULT of "HIS" ELECTION, (not) of any work lest any of u should boast and we already see the challenges ur having with this alone.
But the (TRUE) THINGS of my "LORDS'" CROSS is foolishness to (all) those whom "HE" has blinded.
I just pray u come to the knowledge of the truth so u can be truly saved.
marcsimac 2 years ago
I appreciate your concern for my salvation, but I find it very offensive that you think you can criticize my personal relationship with Christ and assert that I'm not saved simply because I don't accept John Calvin's twisted views on election/predestination.
The gospel was not "lost" for the 300 years in between Paul and Augustine nor the 1200 years in between Augustine and Calvin. Faith is a gift of God, yes, but God has locked up all in disobedience in order that He can show mercy to ALL.
heart4moocows 2 years ago
The offend comes from the pride and arrogance that refuses to acknowledge "GOD" for "WHO" "HE" IS and What "HE" has and WILL do.
Don't really care about john calvins view. he is a man just as you and i. The View i care about is "GOD'S".
The all @ the end of your reply is for (all) "HE" has Chosen.
marcsimac 2 years ago
This is completely out of context, Paul stating what God has chosen christians "TO BE" not that he chose Paul before the foundation of the world. God knows what kind of people he wants in order to serve and worship him wants. Ephesians 2:10 is implying the samething, we are to be ordained unto good works. He is describing the characteristics of a good Christian and how those were ordained. Not people. Why would God create a person to send them to hell?
Jerzey55 2 years ago
Sorry. Could you clear this up a little. Please. The wording appears off to me and run together. I cannot understand your point. Thanks
marcsimac 2 years ago
Forgive me not pretending this is an english class. If you are that ignorant then I suggest you stay out of the conversation.
Jerzey55 2 years ago
This comment alone identifies who you are. u replied to me. I've never heard from or dialogued with u before. But the spirit of the letter lets me know u and your god. I only wanted to understand u better and now I do.
marcsimac 2 years ago
The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination in the sight of God Prov. 15,7,8. So any good that a man does apart from regeneration only adds more wrath upon himself. Romans 2:5 said that if a man hasn't repented and trust the Saviors then none of the good deed mean anything to God. Not even a good thought.
Creationcreed 3 years ago
confused or 2 Timothy 2:15. You must study more. Them too.
marcsimac 3 years ago
clap, clap. hail marcsimac! the most learned of us all!
melvdman 3 years ago
The "HOLY SPIRIT" is helping the calvanists in this 1 on 2 debate.
marcsimac 3 years ago
lol
iilwjcanc 2 years ago
How
pungadoo 3 years ago
excuse me, but I asked you a question... And here's another: Did you save yourself?
Vaekkrinhart 3 years ago
If a drowning man is thrown a life preserver and he grabs onto it without being physically forced to do so, would anyone claim he is saving himself? Would you insist, "Aw, all his 'rescuer' did was give him the power to save himself..."? Of course not. And yet that is an objection Calvinists very frequently raise. It's ridiculous.
heart4moocows 3 years ago
I guess, you're answering a question I asked someone else... who was rude to me for no apparent reason.
And so, I guess, you're answer is "no, you don't save yourself." Which was my point to him.
Your point doesn't make sense to me. Would I insist that "all the rescuer did was give him the power to save himself?" ??? What? You're making my point for me.... Did you mean to type "Arminianists" instead of "Calviinists"?
Vaekkrinhart 3 years ago