@blandbrothers With a lot of mics it doesn't sound like a drum from the inside. It sounds like beating on a can or something. You would want to put dynamic mics closer that what I have those condensers.
Our most recent track (the video's on our channel) was recorded in a classroom in a college, with some clip ons and two SM57s for overheads. That wasn't fucking fun.
dont you get unwanted sounds from your floor microphones? like for example i think the reason your crashes are so long is cuz your floor condensers are meant for over heads and they are capturing signals from your cymbals, but still good job
@NINJAX2X2X I used a box recorder for this because it was before I got a DAW setup and interface. I use FL studio producer edition now though. I use that because the full version is cheap, it has a great piano roll for programming and it's east to use.
@JGEW33 I think he just means "too much" compression sucks. Because that would take out all accents and create a robotic, monotone sound, which would take out a lot of emotion in the music. That's my guess..
@stratomaster134 yea, i was thinking that, but it just seemed like a weird thing to say, i personally love compression on drums it just makes them sit better in the mix, vox on the other hand can get out of control with too much.
I actually really likes the sound here. it's open. most low-end drum recordings are dry in a really bad way that doesn't do it for me. I'll definitely try this setup sometime.
yo! nice video, i love the way your drums sound and you gave me some help on kick drum tuning for metal music a while back and my kick drum sounds awesome now :D i've just bought some much needed new tom and snare heads; Aquarian Response II ones to be precise and i'm again having trouble getting the right punchy sound with no overtones for metal D: your advice worked before so i was wondering if you could help me out again, thanks :)
Compression is just a tool, just like anything else. It only sucks in the wrong hands. In the right hands, it is a extremely valuable audio tool. I'd say that triggers on the kick drums suck far more than any compressor. I'm sorry, but you can't say compression sucks when it's been used to wonderful effect on a million classic recordings. Take your drum recording and tastefully run it through an LA-2A and come back and tell me compression sucks.
The distance you have from OH-OH is about one meter (from what i see) and at them height that setup cut most of the mid range freq. of the drum. You can probably (and teorically) try to keep the mics nearest the drum maintaining the same distance from each other or keep the height you have and put the two mics really close each other pointing like this: The right mic to left and the left to right, making a kind of V above the drums.
The pickup from the kick mic sounds really good here. Way better than the way most metal music is mixed. I really prefer a natural sounding kick rather than the overly-processed stuff in mainstream music, which is more like electronic thumps.
This sounds good but you could also buy a real nice used drum set for the cost of those mics and i think it would sound better. but its all personal prefeerence!
@dismaus82 Nope. Most everything I listen to has about 4db of compression or less on it. And what does a gate have to do with anything? Most records have silences edited out manually.
@andy15m374l I've been in some studios that record metal and they more often than not mic snare bottoms and gate them so that the other parts of the drumset and the snare itself are not making the snare rattle throughout the take. How's 4 decibels of 'fuck you' sound? I'm going to go tell every metal band to stop using compression on their recordings so that every china hit is drasticallylouder than the rest of the kit. meanwhile, have fun recording through the line in on your expensive laptop.
@andy15m374l 4db of compression on drums is quite a dramatic effect. Most jazz drummers will start to complain to the engineer/producer if they hear any more than about 2db average compression. Plus the master peak limiting that is applied to most albums nowadays squashes the drums even more, especially in the overheads...but you are right in that most records are manually gated. However, gating (even manually) on drums gives a very processed sound, one I am not fond of...
@lagiator Did you not notice how extremely sarcastic I was being? Of course I know that. I have a studio with several tube compressors that I use on every recording. Maybe it's just the internet talk that makes it hard to tell, but I was being quite sarcastic.
Glyn Johns only used to mic John Bonham's kit with 3 mics and one over head up on the first floor balcony of the stairwell...and look how mighty his drum sound was!
@lombardezeeJR Yes. I recently changed the head on that snare and then sampled it. I put on ear protection and did rimshots that may have been louder than gunfire.
@Drummerkid74 It depends on what style of music it was. This is a super old school technique that has a lot of space. Two more mics ten feet out front and a close snare mic to pick up the punch and ring would add a lot to it. But then again nothing really beats having an elaborate setup in most situations.
@RyanPlummer14 (I hate the new comment system) It's best to use a mic on each drum and have overheads too. Most big studios mic each drum, mic the cymbals in pairs and have overheads and sometimes room mics for ambiance.
One important point you're missing is the fact that this is a Tama set. I've found they tend to be a bit louder than most kits out there. Which translates to good levels.
Nice to see you don't use compression. Really excellent dude. What components are in your signal chain?
Hey andy thanks for the vid, I think the real value in a vid like this is creating a forum for people to swap ideas and opinions. It is use a dry recording obviously so negative comments are a bit naff. I think your placement is sound.
Ya not putting you down or anything but get some dynamic kick mics and place the about 4 centimeter from the top or bottom and about 6 away from the head from a nice sharp attack... cause I know you like that
First, Awesome Snare Sound what head? what would i need if i had your setup but with another floor tom and snare. Also i need a mixer that you got or if you could help me. Thanks
Thanks dude. It's an evans of some sort. I think it's a reverse power dot or something like that. It came on the snare. If you're getting into recording computer based systems are the way to go. I'm currently using fl studio producer edition and the now discontinued Tascam US-1641 interface.
I was testing out my dynamics today, and decided to put them in a setup similar to this, and they picked up everything. I'm a noob at recording drums so is that supposed to happen?
Nice sound mate, very clear. Cymbals sound like there might be some slight phase alignment issues, but nothing huge. It certainly isn't hurting the sound of the drums at all.
Some TASTEFUL Compression would make those kicks really hit home.
how do i get that wet, slappy sound from my powerstroke 3 bass drum head? its a clear one. what would a coated powerstroke 3 sound like? and how can i get that wet slappy sound? would a coated one or a clear one be better?
@GermanEaglePatriot Go with the clear. The cating is a dampener. I have no tension on the batter head. It's just on there. That is how the high pitched attack is achieved.
Clear . Coated would make it dryer sounding and you can tune it like he does by having the batter a lil over finger tight and haveing the reso tigher but not so tight the bass rings also if thats not wet enough try an emad 1 or 2 with jaw tuning
I don't have condenser mics, so wil normal voice microphones work? Also, If I use this placement, will it be able to pick up 3 crashes, a ride, 2 chinas, and 2 splashes? And last, if I raise the low end a little and put the overheads at a little lower position, will I get a sound good enough for recording albums on? Please help I'm a noob at recording drums
@drummertristan1997 you will be able to get the sound that's in thi video, and better with eq. If you are about to record a metal album I recommend miking every drum. A lot of styles of music don't need anything other than what you see in the video. It really depends on a lot of things. If you get the condensers and need something more, then get more. You'll need condensers for any configuration you decide on as they are necessary for the overheads.
mine are still in the making. however, if you watched any sort of drum recording vid, you would notice no one uses small diaphragm condensers on the bass drum. if you used your ears you would know why. your kick drum sounds hollow, shallow, and has a big low end drop off, while a real kick drum is supposed to sound full, and deep, ephasizing the lows.
It's ok to not like how I did this, but there is no wrong way. Use condensers on kicks is a more common practice than you realize. Most how to stuff will tell you a lot of things that you really don't need to take so seriously. People still record guitar with dynamic mics because that's what they're supposed to do, but it sounds bad. That's why most records today have a terrible guitar sound. Few will break away from tradition, the few that do become highly sought after.
it's not tradition to record guitars with a dynamic mic. sm57 is standard on amps for lots of great reasons. i typically use an sm57, neumman 193 and a U87 on guitars. the 193 and 57 close mic and U87 a few feet away. it's a matter of what sounds best and there are plenty of times when a $99 sm57 will sound better and i'll throw out the track with the $3,500 U87. there are not a lot of rules but in all the time and people i've worked with i've never seen a small condenser on a kick...
Condensers capture sound better than any dynamic mic for any purpose. Why use the sm57? A lot of people do it because a guitarists tone is harsh and is compensated for by mic positioning. Placing a large diaphragm condenser right up on the grill pointed at the voice coil is the most accurate representation of the actual guitar tone you can get. It sounds almost like you're hearing the amp in person at ear level.
it's not true at all that condensers capture sound better than any dynamic. it's not a matter of how much it captures. if that's the case then it comes to mic pre-amps. i agree that it's good to use a large diaphragm on an amp in ADDITION to an sm57 but it all comes down to tonal quality. there's a very goood reason the sm57 is used as frequently as it is. sounds better on an amp than a $3,500 U87.
actually alot of studios will use multiple mics on the kick. Including a pencil. That way they can get the click and low end. Sides, in metal you end up cutting out most of the low end. otherwise the phasing would get all jack up and it would sound like trash.
I'll tell you what I don't like: kick drum mics for kick drums. They have an insanely cut and boosted response and miss all of the attack. Metal bands that record without triggers usually use condensers.
not on a kick. thats why you use a mic like the d6 which is KNOWN for picking up attack, then you boost around 5 khz and 9.5 khz, drop the low mids to get the boxy tones out and crank up the lowsa few db around 80
look at the frequency curve of a D6 or an m88, i won't lie... mics like the d112 aren't too punchy at all but there are kick mics out there that will pick up the attack 87327823 times better than a small diaphragm condenser will. you just have to know how to EQ. the problem with the small condensers is that they'll neglect everything else good about the kick sound
hey man, i don't even have a drum set but i am just wondering how the mics pickup the toms, i can understand how they pick up the cymbals, but wouldn't the toms sound out of place because they are farther away from the mics?
Okay ive been thinking of recording like this overheads and bass only but if i buy these will they come with the wires to plug into an 8 track recorder. PLZZ answer
Ok so two questions. Are the cables called xlr inputs or cables or something like that? And im assuming the cables have 2 ends(duh) but im also assuming one end for the mic and the other end is for a recorder right?
Mic cables are called XLR cables. One end is male and the other is female. One fits the recorder and the other fits the mic. Condenser mics need phantom power to run so if you're planning on using those check your recorder to see if it has that(almost everything does).
btw condenser mics use batteries too in case your mixer/recorder doesn't have phantom power. take that audio technica mic you have and twist it apart and there should be a nine volt inside
You're the first person to notice that. I just looked into what happened. I listened here and then listened to the original video file which also contains the clipping sound. Then I listened to the original audio before it was synced to the footage and it sounds fine. The video compression pushed the level up or added noise. Lately I've been doing video editing with .WAV instead of mp3 files and it seems to yield better results. I guess 1411kbps survives better than 320kbps when converting.
I went and checked out your stuff. It was pure pwnage and certainly puts you in a position to leave negative comments on peoples videos and promote yourself. Keep up the great work.
It's a self contained system with a mixer cd burner mic inputs etc. built in one box. An example of one of these is a Korg D3200. Mine is a way older outdated model.
Thanks. I don't know how long I've been playing because I plaed around on someone elses drums that were at my house when I was a kid. I only started getting serious with it at the end of 2007.
this helpful considering i have similar mics. why'd you choose to keep the bass mics outside instead of inside?
blandbrothers 1 month ago
@blandbrothers With a lot of mics it doesn't sound like a drum from the inside. It sounds like beating on a can or something. You would want to put dynamic mics closer that what I have those condensers.
andy15m374l 1 month ago
Our most recent track (the video's on our channel) was recorded in a classroom in a college, with some clip ons and two SM57s for overheads. That wasn't fucking fun.
The kicks in this sound absolutely sweet.
ScrapBrainMusic 6 months ago
is that sound changewith EQ, or is it original, raw sound??
teogajsek 7 months ago
If you trigger your kick, is it wise to still use 3 or 4 mic? Or would 2 overheads be enough?
DrumsOfAPredator 8 months ago
dont you get unwanted sounds from your floor microphones? like for example i think the reason your crashes are so long is cuz your floor condensers are meant for over heads and they are capturing signals from your cymbals, but still good job
Daiphantus 9 months ago
what are you using to record this as far as programs go?
NINJAX2X2X 10 months ago
@NINJAX2X2X I used a box recorder for this because it was before I got a DAW setup and interface. I use FL studio producer edition now though. I use that because the full version is cheap, it has a great piano roll for programming and it's east to use.
andy15m374l 10 months ago
That was sweet as fuck
LATURBAN 10 months ago
Man, how do you tune your kick like that? Do you have something like a pillow or towel inside it?
CanadianMuscleJym 10 months ago
@CanadianMuscleJym There is on medium tshirt against the front head and that's it. I have a video about how I tune my kicks.
andy15m374l 10 months ago
nice snare
CrackCatNip 11 months ago
I want to get a Ringo Starr kinda sound. Can't get it right though. =/
Think you can help me with that mate??
ninenine909 11 months ago
@TheMrleomon Get a good head (I like the Evans Genera Dry), tighten it up a bit, and then use moon gels or some sort of muffling,
RedSandStudios 11 months ago
how did u adjust your sare to sound like that??
MarvelousChickz 1 year ago
What interface you use for recording?
singyuk 1 year ago
honestly with some eq that could sound pretty decent
ScorchinBeats 1 year ago
what is the device under your hi hat?
singyuk 1 year ago
@singyuk That is a Roland TD3 module which I wasn't using in the video. I used to use it for kick drum triggering.
andy15m374l 1 year ago
how come you think compression sucks?
JGEW33 1 year ago
@JGEW33 I think he just means "too much" compression sucks. Because that would take out all accents and create a robotic, monotone sound, which would take out a lot of emotion in the music. That's my guess..
stratomaster134 1 year ago
@stratomaster134 yea, i was thinking that, but it just seemed like a weird thing to say, i personally love compression on drums it just makes them sit better in the mix, vox on the other hand can get out of control with too much.
JGEW33 1 year ago
@JGEW33 Agreed completely.
stratomaster134 1 year ago
I actually really likes the sound here. it's open. most low-end drum recordings are dry in a really bad way that doesn't do it for me. I'll definitely try this setup sometime.
breakfastroute 1 year ago
yo! nice video, i love the way your drums sound and you gave me some help on kick drum tuning for metal music a while back and my kick drum sounds awesome now :D i've just bought some much needed new tom and snare heads; Aquarian Response II ones to be precise and i'm again having trouble getting the right punchy sound with no overtones for metal D: your advice worked before so i was wondering if you could help me out again, thanks :)
TheHappyGilmour 1 year ago
kicks sound huge, great job man =]
danmarcelino 1 year ago
i find those mics only good for hi hats...
jdogg288 1 year ago
Compression is just a tool, just like anything else. It only sucks in the wrong hands. In the right hands, it is a extremely valuable audio tool. I'd say that triggers on the kick drums suck far more than any compressor. I'm sorry, but you can't say compression sucks when it's been used to wonderful effect on a million classic recordings. Take your drum recording and tastefully run it through an LA-2A and come back and tell me compression sucks.
strangersound 1 year ago
at first i thought you had 1 bass and i was like HOW THE HELL HIS FOOT GO SO FAST?
bombercat123 1 year ago
I'm not sure how you have your bass drums set up, muffled and whatnot, but they have way, way, way to much treble and attack,.
madpaintbalerx 1 year ago
double bass drumming is so annoying lol, ur a great drummer though
MayonaiseKing100 1 year ago
that kick sound like crap upgrade your mic game but if thats all you can afford make it work drum skills are nicccccccce
leshawn1977 1 year ago
Superb quality..!!!
tarini84 1 year ago
Sound good to me thanks for the demo! i'm going to try this.
jonniewebb 1 year ago
The distance you have from OH-OH is about one meter (from what i see) and at them height that setup cut most of the mid range freq. of the drum. You can probably (and teorically) try to keep the mics nearest the drum maintaining the same distance from each other or keep the height you have and put the two mics really close each other pointing like this: The right mic to left and the left to right, making a kind of V above the drums.
ApocalisseOra 1 year ago
you sped up in a few spots, but other than that it sounded good!
MATTlovesDRUMS 1 year ago
i think the quality sounds pretty good, i am thinking about making a home studio for my band
seventhanime 1 year ago
The pickup from the kick mic sounds really good here. Way better than the way most metal music is mixed. I really prefer a natural sounding kick rather than the overly-processed stuff in mainstream music, which is more like electronic thumps.
madpaintbalerx 1 year ago
How did u tune ur drums?
If u used a drum dial or (tama tension watch) wht are the tensions on the lugs?
minion08onxboxlive 1 year ago
This sounds good but you could also buy a real nice used drum set for the cost of those mics and i think it would sound better. but its all personal prefeerence!
sushiquad 1 year ago
cool demo what cymbals do u use espicialy the hi hats they sound really good
JDRUMMER95 1 year ago
oh yeah compression really sucks SO BAD... even though all the metal i assume you listen to is recorded with heavy compression and gate
dismaus82 1 year ago
@dismaus82 Nope. Most everything I listen to has about 4db of compression or less on it. And what does a gate have to do with anything? Most records have silences edited out manually.
andy15m374l 1 year ago 17
@andy15m374l I've been in some studios that record metal and they more often than not mic snare bottoms and gate them so that the other parts of the drumset and the snare itself are not making the snare rattle throughout the take. How's 4 decibels of 'fuck you' sound? I'm going to go tell every metal band to stop using compression on their recordings so that every china hit is drasticallylouder than the rest of the kit. meanwhile, have fun recording through the line in on your expensive laptop.
dismaus82 1 year ago
@andy15m374l 4db of compression on drums is quite a dramatic effect. Most jazz drummers will start to complain to the engineer/producer if they hear any more than about 2db average compression. Plus the master peak limiting that is applied to most albums nowadays squashes the drums even more, especially in the overheads...but you are right in that most records are manually gated. However, gating (even manually) on drums gives a very processed sound, one I am not fond of...
MastersfortheMaster 1 year ago
@dismaus82 compression sucks? note that every guitar distorted tone is compressed ;) distortion is used on everything on every album ;)
lagiator 1 year ago
@lagiator Did you not notice how extremely sarcastic I was being? Of course I know that. I have a studio with several tube compressors that I use on every recording. Maybe it's just the internet talk that makes it hard to tell, but I was being quite sarcastic.
dismaus82 1 year ago
yeah,can you record with singing mic?
oaa8195 1 year ago
haha dumb question but can you record with singing mics ?
SuicideXiXsilence 1 year ago
how much are the mics?
yoshiskato 1 year ago
your kit sounds amazing!!! Which snare head is that and how tight is it?
daj19972 1 year ago
that sounded like shit dude... compression sucks? wtf are you talking about
poonter31 1 year ago
ur kit is just like mine in sound... snare is pitched high and the toms low
awesomesuperbeast3 1 year ago
Glyn Johns only used to mic John Bonham's kit with 3 mics and one over head up on the first floor balcony of the stairwell...and look how mighty his drum sound was!
stewielad 1 year ago
your snare would sound so much more nicer if you did rim shots :)
lombardezeeJR 1 year ago
@lombardezeeJR Yes. I recently changed the head on that snare and then sampled it. I put on ear protection and did rimshots that may have been louder than gunfire.
andy15m374l 1 year ago
@andy15m374l Could i do this with only four mics?
the mics that i want to use are "Nady SP1 Microphone" cause i am on a low budget
slaughteredband 1 year ago
If I EQ it from this position and add reverb, would it be good to use on recordings?
Drummerkid74 1 year ago
@Drummerkid74 It depends on what style of music it was. This is a super old school technique that has a lot of space. Two more mics ten feet out front and a close snare mic to pick up the punch and ring would add a lot to it. But then again nothing really beats having an elaborate setup in most situations.
andy15m374l 1 year ago
Sounds a lot like a Lamb of God drum tone with a little bit of EQing
Nameless164 1 year ago
Kicks are monster
DiobloHunter 1 year ago
where do you connect the mics to??
TheNoobie33 1 year ago
youre snare sounds so thin,,
keyblade09 1 year ago
wat kind of remo tom heads are yours?
sk8maggot77 1 year ago
@sk8maggot77 pinstripes
AmbitiousMOnkey1 1 year ago
like it
yabbapcdfg 1 year ago
What kind of mics is it. Are they all overhead mics
UnknownDrummerDP 1 year ago
the drum example is cool dude!
TipsAndTricksGuy 1 year ago
Is it better to use overhead mics or mic each individual drum?
RyanPlummer14 1 year ago
@RyanPlummer14 both
andy15m374l 1 year ago
@RyanPlummer14 (I hate the new comment system) It's best to use a mic on each drum and have overheads too. Most big studios mic each drum, mic the cymbals in pairs and have overheads and sometimes room mics for ambiance.
andy15m374l 1 year ago
One important point you're missing is the fact that this is a Tama set. I've found they tend to be a bit louder than most kits out there. Which translates to good levels.
Nice to see you don't use compression. Really excellent dude. What components are in your signal chain?
TheWitchOvAgnesi 1 year ago
stuiped question, but what do u plug the mics into?
666AHEAD666 1 year ago
nice recording dude......
SuperFuryAnimaL001 1 year ago
i would definitely mic the bass with different mics but i prefer a different sound than you i guess. still sounds good
standxdown 1 year ago
reminds me of chris adler
drummerdog80 1 year ago
Hey andy thanks for the vid, I think the real value in a vid like this is creating a forum for people to swap ideas and opinions. It is use a dry recording obviously so negative comments are a bit naff. I think your placement is sound.
animalsofsteel 1 year ago
Wut kind of drum is this ? , btw amazing sound.!
111ryryalex111 1 year ago
i think their pearl.
AVorderline 1 year ago
its tama rockstar or superstar :D
igorvazcorreia 1 year ago
@111ryryalex111 theyre tama, and the cymbals are zildjian ^^
runescapeispie 1 year ago
nice sticks
alleypuppy 2 years ago
your better off putting the kick mics closer and off axis.
m4tt3h 2 years ago
man, nice capture, but a tasteful amount of compression, with perhaps some eq and exciter can really bring the sound of your kit alive.
mattholland990 2 years ago
whats the snare?
starwarsfreak1997 2 years ago 13
@starwarsfreak1997 Tama Metalworks 6 1/2x13. The heads are the stock Evans tuned as tight as they can go.
andy15m374l 1 year ago
@starwarsfreak1997 Tama metalworks snare 6 1/2x13
JesseTorresrules 10 months ago
Ya not putting you down or anything but get some dynamic kick mics and place the about 4 centimeter from the top or bottom and about 6 away from the head from a nice sharp attack... cause I know you like that
cattfischh 2 years ago
First, Awesome Snare Sound what head? what would i need if i had your setup but with another floor tom and snare. Also i need a mixer that you got or if you could help me. Thanks
MLGstealthdrums 2 years ago 5
Thanks dude. It's an evans of some sort. I think it's a reverse power dot or something like that. It came on the snare. If you're getting into recording computer based systems are the way to go. I'm currently using fl studio producer edition and the now discontinued Tascam US-1641 interface.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
Those are Remo Encore heads for the toms, right? :D
kssael 2 years ago
@kssael Remo Pinstripe
andy15m374l 2 years ago
@andy15m374l Thanks. They almost sound the same to Encore heads. :D
kssael 2 years ago
was this video audio or recorded onto a computer???
beyonce50 2 years ago
@beyonce50 no an old multitrack.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
how did you get the mutitrack into the computer
beyonce50 2 years ago
I didnt I just burned the audio to a cd and ripped it.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
okay i see...thanks
beyonce50 2 years ago
I was testing out my dynamics today, and decided to put them in a setup similar to this, and they picked up everything. I'm a noob at recording drums so is that supposed to happen?
drummertristan1997 2 years ago
PLEASE!! CHANGE RACKTOM'S HEAD!
orsopunk 2 years ago
@orsopunk why?
KvSwooo 2 years ago
If I use a dynamic for the bass will it still work?
drummertristan1997 2 years ago
Oh yes. It will actually give you better isolation. Might want to put the mics slightly closer though with dynamic mics.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
Ok thanks!
drummertristan1997 2 years ago
@andy15m374l Oh and when I move, I'm going to put my electric set with my acoustic. Will the overheads pick up the pad hitting?
drummertristan1997 2 years ago
@drummertristan1997 yeah it does and doesnt sound nice.
captsensible23 2 years ago
i know you are playing metal but your snare sounds pathetic, hit it harder or detune slightly
airsoftguitardrum900 2 years ago
I agree.... and the kick drum is weak too. Bugs the hell out of me. but its not bad. Needs work though. Maybe its the youtube quality too
findyourway19 2 years ago 2
Nice sound mate, very clear. Cymbals sound like there might be some slight phase alignment issues, but nothing huge. It certainly isn't hurting the sound of the drums at all.
Some TASTEFUL Compression would make those kicks really hit home.
Well done indeed.
MARSHOMEWORLD 2 years ago 2
that rack tom sounds badass
TheSchoolsux345 2 years ago
Dude that sounds great! did you do any mixing or compression or is that dry signle?
clayton5150 2 years ago
dry
andy15m374l 2 years ago
how do i get that wet, slappy sound from my powerstroke 3 bass drum head? its a clear one. what would a coated powerstroke 3 sound like? and how can i get that wet slappy sound? would a coated one or a clear one be better?
GermanEaglePatriot 2 years ago
@GermanEaglePatriot Go with the clear. The cating is a dampener. I have no tension on the batter head. It's just on there. That is how the high pitched attack is achieved.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
Clear . Coated would make it dryer sounding and you can tune it like he does by having the batter a lil over finger tight and haveing the reso tigher but not so tight the bass rings also if thats not wet enough try an emad 1 or 2 with jaw tuning
wiirluvenit 2 years ago
I don't have condenser mics, so wil normal voice microphones work? Also, If I use this placement, will it be able to pick up 3 crashes, a ride, 2 chinas, and 2 splashes? And last, if I raise the low end a little and put the overheads at a little lower position, will I get a sound good enough for recording albums on? Please help I'm a noob at recording drums
drummertristan1997 2 years ago
Dynamic mics won't pick everything up. You'll need condensers.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
Okay, so I found some cheap condensers. Will I be able to get a studio sound with this placement?
drummertristan1997 2 years ago
@drummertristan1997 you will be able to get the sound that's in thi video, and better with eq. If you are about to record a metal album I recommend miking every drum. A lot of styles of music don't need anything other than what you see in the video. It really depends on a lot of things. If you get the condensers and need something more, then get more. You'll need condensers for any configuration you decide on as they are necessary for the overheads.
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drummertristan1997 2 years ago
If I use computer mics for my drums, can I still get a decent sound if I record with a good program?
drummertristan1997 2 years ago
good video dude, but what the fuck is with your left hand? letting it rest on the snare head between strokes like that is seriously poor form...
RoR0RoRoR0RoR0R0 2 years ago
That snare is so dead sounding that it doesn't really affect the tone. It's probably just more comfortable for him.
MichaelBradus 2 years ago 2
poor form hahaha let me guess you read modern drummer don't ya hahahaha poor form..... man you sound great on those drums
checkabreak 2 years ago
mine are still in the making. however, if you watched any sort of drum recording vid, you would notice no one uses small diaphragm condensers on the bass drum. if you used your ears you would know why. your kick drum sounds hollow, shallow, and has a big low end drop off, while a real kick drum is supposed to sound full, and deep, ephasizing the lows.
hardcore1151 2 years ago
It's ok to not like how I did this, but there is no wrong way. Use condensers on kicks is a more common practice than you realize. Most how to stuff will tell you a lot of things that you really don't need to take so seriously. People still record guitar with dynamic mics because that's what they're supposed to do, but it sounds bad. That's why most records today have a terrible guitar sound. Few will break away from tradition, the few that do become highly sought after.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
it's not tradition to record guitars with a dynamic mic. sm57 is standard on amps for lots of great reasons. i typically use an sm57, neumman 193 and a U87 on guitars. the 193 and 57 close mic and U87 a few feet away. it's a matter of what sounds best and there are plenty of times when a $99 sm57 will sound better and i'll throw out the track with the $3,500 U87. there are not a lot of rules but in all the time and people i've worked with i've never seen a small condenser on a kick...
texdaddy123 2 years ago
Condensers capture sound better than any dynamic mic for any purpose. Why use the sm57? A lot of people do it because a guitarists tone is harsh and is compensated for by mic positioning. Placing a large diaphragm condenser right up on the grill pointed at the voice coil is the most accurate representation of the actual guitar tone you can get. It sounds almost like you're hearing the amp in person at ear level.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
it's not true at all that condensers capture sound better than any dynamic. it's not a matter of how much it captures. if that's the case then it comes to mic pre-amps. i agree that it's good to use a large diaphragm on an amp in ADDITION to an sm57 but it all comes down to tonal quality. there's a very goood reason the sm57 is used as frequently as it is. sounds better on an amp than a $3,500 U87.
texdaddy123 2 years ago
Although I do like SM57s, I must say that even "cheap" condenser mics to a great job at capturing life-like tone.
rrussell21 2 years ago
actually alot of studios will use multiple mics on the kick. Including a pencil. That way they can get the click and low end. Sides, in metal you end up cutting out most of the low end. otherwise the phasing would get all jack up and it would sound like trash.
sunderrock 2 years ago
small diaphragm condensers on a kickdrum has to be the worst idea ive seen in a long time
hardcore1151 2 years ago
small diaphragm condensers on 2 kicks. i've seen it all now. $199 audix D6, $99 sm57 snare, EQ, compression, expansion = drummer's best friend.
texdaddy123 2 years ago
I'll tell you what I don't like: kick drum mics for kick drums. They have an insanely cut and boosted response and miss all of the attack. Metal bands that record without triggers usually use condensers.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
not on a kick. thats why you use a mic like the d6 which is KNOWN for picking up attack, then you boost around 5 khz and 9.5 khz, drop the low mids to get the boxy tones out and crank up the lowsa few db around 80
texdaddy123 2 years ago
look at the frequency curve of a D6 or an m88, i won't lie... mics like the d112 aren't too punchy at all but there are kick mics out there that will pick up the attack 87327823 times better than a small diaphragm condenser will. you just have to know how to EQ. the problem with the small condensers is that they'll neglect everything else good about the kick sound
texdaddy123 2 years ago
Great sound!
LOVE the bassdrums!!!
EILIVdrummer 2 years ago
Compression sucks? You don't know anything.
benrosett 2 years ago
Sure don't.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
hey man, i don't even have a drum set but i am just wondering how the mics pickup the toms, i can understand how they pick up the cymbals, but wouldn't the toms sound out of place because they are farther away from the mics?
zach7000 2 years ago
Condenser mics are very sensitive and pick up everything about the same way you would hear it if your ear was there.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
yeah! tama superstar! that drums are awesome I have them!
RoiKaleya 2 years ago
Okay ive been thinking of recording like this overheads and bass only but if i buy these will they come with the wires to plug into an 8 track recorder. PLZZ answer
HaloAssassian 2 years ago
No, cables usually are not included with the mics. When they are the place you are buying them will explicitly state they are.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
Ok so two questions. Are the cables called xlr inputs or cables or something like that? And im assuming the cables have 2 ends(duh) but im also assuming one end for the mic and the other end is for a recorder right?
HaloAssassian 2 years ago
Mic cables are called XLR cables. One end is male and the other is female. One fits the recorder and the other fits the mic. Condenser mics need phantom power to run so if you're planning on using those check your recorder to see if it has that(almost everything does).
andy15m374l 2 years ago
btw condenser mics use batteries too in case your mixer/recorder doesn't have phantom power. take that audio technica mic you have and twist it apart and there should be a nine volt inside
GregoryGraveyard 2 years ago
ha ha very funny.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
Can someone tell me if remo's powerstroke 4 are good for toms ? ( I have a pearl vision vx=birch shells,Toms sizes are 12x9, 13x10 and 16x16 inch.)
Jay.
jayrois 2 years ago
try remo ebony pinstripes
jtn2895 2 years ago
I'm using pinstripes for the toms. If you like the way mine sound go for those. And like jtn2895 said they are available in black.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
the toms sound amazing, I don't know how you don't have that much snare vibrations, lucky
BurntTreeProduct 2 years ago
Thanks man. My snare wires are really tight. My snare is also tuned very tight. It never rattles.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
lol, nice double pedal
Kickflipkid687 2 years ago
Wat Double Pedal?
camarofan101 2 years ago
its 2 single Axis longboards
IronCobraFTW 2 years ago
is this ur room..?? u must av a lot of money to afford all this stuff!!
JordanWhitney2006 2 years ago
great vid. really try to break out of using only single strokes though...
AdamScadAdam 2 years ago
thats pretty decent
blackpoopshadowfear 2 years ago
O.K. Now let's hear it without clipping on every mic.
MichaelBradus 2 years ago 2
You're the first person to notice that. I just looked into what happened. I listened here and then listened to the original video file which also contains the clipping sound. Then I listened to the original audio before it was synced to the footage and it sounds fine. The video compression pushed the level up or added noise. Lately I've been doing video editing with .WAV instead of mp3 files and it seems to yield better results. I guess 1411kbps survives better than 320kbps when converting.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
My thoughts Exactly!
michzimmerman 2 years ago
i love the sound of your kick drum mics how do u have them set up?
ericthedrummer1 2 years ago
rofl it shows it in the video!
Dontgetclose914 2 years ago 2
same example like in you kick drum bla bla video ... boring
o0metalrecords0o 2 years ago
Hey, I already apologized.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
okay okay ^^ :)
but drumming is okay so far ;) look at my channel and my vids :)
o0metalrecords0o 2 years ago
I went and checked out your stuff. It was pure pwnage and certainly puts you in a position to leave negative comments on peoples videos and promote yourself. Keep up the great work.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
thanks dude :)
i look formawd to axis to get the speed of george kollias xDD
thanks =)
o0metalrecords0o 2 years ago
argh... too much stuff... i cant afford and take with me everywhere! Any cheaper way to dampen bass drum sounds?
ronniegana2 2 years ago
Dampen bass drum sounds? Wha-
andy15m374l 2 years ago
Where are the mics connected? To a pc or your big studio console things? i know those are hella expensive.
ronniegana2 2 years ago
I'm using an all in one box recorder.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
Sorry, i don't know what that is... Please expound.
ronniegana2 2 years ago
It's a self contained system with a mixer cd burner mic inputs etc. built in one box. An example of one of these is a Korg D3200. Mine is a way older outdated model.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
love ur tuning and great druming how long u been playin
mmdmcknight 2 years ago
Thanks. I don't know how long I've been playing because I plaed around on someone elses drums that were at my house when I was a kid. I only started getting serious with it at the end of 2007.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
what pedal beaters did u switch out the Axis beaters with
nephilim13x 2 years ago
Iron cobra beaters. I have been using the same two beaters for a couple of years. I highly recommend them.
andy15m374l 2 years ago
thx
nephilim13x 2 years ago