Great trapp BUT i realy think that you want youre snare to be on top of your baitstick. * the path of least resistance* otherwise your baitstick might mess up your snare when it triggers.
Dave, the tree spring noose trap is a great trap. i have used this trap several times for raccoon, rabbits, oposums and even coyotes. But i was woundering if you could make a video on how to make natural cordage you can find in the woods of north carolina, if in a survival situation where parcord or any other cordage is not avalable
for the tree spring noose trap u the trap u made after the pauite deadfall u should put the snare on top of the bait stick or the snare may catch on the bait stick
most of the time people will be on a plane or in a car driving threw woods.......and they wont have knifes or snares or tools to help them maybe you should make a video on how to survive if you only have the cloths on your back....
Just a suggestion, i dont know much about this sort of thing but wouldnt it be a good idea to have more than one noose? if you have about 3 nooses which are all in different spots but all overlaping eachother wouldnt there be a much bigger chance of catching it? you might even get a noose over one leg and another noose over another leg or something like that, good idea or not?
You probably know this, it's kinda hard to explain but you can make a clove hitch by making two loops on the end of your cordage and putting the first loop through the second. It's faster than tying a clove hitch so you can set up numerous traps.
i do have a question, on the other trap, the spring trap, the two y sticks.shouldnt they be pointed the other way so the ends of the y's dont get caught on the loop? just was thinkin it might be more idiot proof that way.
beautiful piute deadfall set up. the distance between the supporting stick from the deadfall is great. no sticks will end up under the deadfall when it falls. great video thanks.
@wildernessoutfitters u could snare a deer easy..but u want to run your cordage all the way down the saplin to the base,,or wrap on the base of a bigger tree..cause big deer can break spring snare traps easily
@wildernessoutfitters please check out my channel the first video on the list is the first survival episode of many, this one is on boiling water and making tea on a dakota fire hole. And maybe subscribe thanks!
this was the exact same trap you would see in booby traps, the ones that flip you into the trees, except instead of a sapling, it's a weight on a pulley system that pulls you up, also, the trigger would be in a shallow pit and the noose over the release stick.
But putting the bait closer up the trigger stick would give the game less distance to ccover to get out of the trap. One thing that works great is snickers mushed on the trigger. Try it it attracts everything.
One question about placement of the trigger. I know it would probably be personal preference and I'm going to try it out myself a bit, but wouldn't it be bad to have the bait set back too far because the rock or log wouldn't gain the more optimal velocity it would reach if it were baited further forward where the rock is higher off the ground?
I grew up using this type of trap. Easy way to double your chances, add another loop, put one on the left and one on the right. Have them hang so that the prey must enter the loop in order to get the treat. I would also reccomend using the wire that should be in your kit.
I saw a diagram of this trap and i think it would be more beneficial to put the noose on top of the bait stick to guarantee a neck grab since their head with already be near the bait stick when they trigger it.
Just out of curiosity, in your video at about 3.08, can you stop there with the trigger? I know it goes UNDER the string but do you have to wrap it one full time around the upright?
Just out of curiosity, how come the loop goes under the trigger stick instead of over it, wouldn't the stick get in the way of wraping around the animal?
chrissept21, the answer to your question depends on a number of variables. For instance, in my state of Indiana, I can set this trap on any private land, during trapping season, as long as I have a trapping permit, and permission from the owner of the land. I suggest looking up your local laws. Do extensive research, talk to a local DNR representative. If still in doubt, don't do it. But, remember, this is for survival education purposes. In survival situations, all bets are off. Stay alive.
If you pass your snare line through a loop in the trip line, rather than attaching it directly as you demonstrated, you can then tie the other end to a root or other anchor on the ground. Then the loop acts like a pulley, and for every inch of rise on the trip line, your snare line gets pulled up two inches. It also doubles the speed of the jerk, increasing the chances of a kill.
i like your version of the fig 4 trap there dave it is a bit easier to learn than the old classic....it has been that reason that i have never used fig 4 but instead use a tumble stone w/ my triggers for dead falls....good job and great luck
I have seen a similar trap in the army survival manual. However, i think a better positioning for the noose would be draped over the bait stick. As you can probably see in the video, the noose didn't catch the stick used to trip the trap. If an animal is gnawing on something that is on the bait stick, its head is already directly above the noose and it is almost certain that it will catch it around the head, maybe arm or body. Great vid anyway, plenty of detail, thanks
That might well be the case for catching it around the neck but I figure that for general percentage of catching any part of the animal you have a much greater success rate with the noose catching around it's leg or upper body with this configuration.
I do wonder how much of a chance it'd have to gnaw on the paracord witht his though...
vary good.... but still have a qwestion about. how manny times should you be cheeking your traps... cause you don't want to be leaving your sent all the time do you?... oh and how long is that animal going to be adible.. hanging from a trap ing the summer time?
I suspect that unless another predator gets it, the animal in this particular trap would likely still be alive when you checked on it.
If you do it right (and maybe tie a little something to the branch to make it easy to see) you can check to see if the trap has been triggered without actually approaching the trap, just by seeing if the bow is still down or if it's up. So check it very regular, but from a difference.
Dave, it's not a figure four deadfall, it's a paiute deadfall, the difference is in the use of cordage instead of wood.
figure four only uses wood for the trap and the paiute replaces one piece of wood with a piece of cordage that goes the same way as yours does, please correct yourself.
Love your work, sir, and I'm very happy about your recent turn "back to basic". Excellent decision!
I believe, however, that no-kill traps have no place. They are instruments of torture. I can see why you would use it in a prolonged survival situation, but meat would be my last priority. Shelter, fire, water are far more important.
I expect to be butchered by the others :) but felt compelled to share my opinion.
Still looking forward to the next video - thank you very much for sharing!
How many and how far apart, depends on how much time you want to spend setting them.Along game trails,just setting them at random in the woods is going to be a waiste of time.
Well I don't know about the first question but yes the figure 4 does only consist of 3 sticks, the reason it is called figure 4 is because when you look at it when it is set up it looks like a 4.
your right, I corrected him already, the paiute deadfall uses the cordage the same way as he does, the figure 4 consists of only wood carved to fit together until triggered.
Very good video. I like how all of your videos show the most important key aspects very clearly, the trigger mechanism for an example. Once again Great Job!!!
Good stuff. How spread out should you have traps like this or how close together should they be ? Also, how many of these should one have set in a given area ?
i tryed this on wild boar using a 900 pound cement parking block and made the supports out of rebar and man dose it fuck a pig up some hard....
nitroexpress700 2 days ago
Hi Dave y like your video's y also have this second trap on my video's very good trap... Paiute is also good deadfall
Aldin295 2 days ago
I am loving these vids! Thanks again Dave!!
geelsman 1 week ago
Nice. Great explanation...
jorge325 3 weeks ago
I can't find the part one...
demoniack81 3 weeks ago
Dave how much weight is needed for this trap.
mogges1 4 weeks ago
Great trapp BUT i realy think that you want youre snare to be on top of your baitstick. * the path of least resistance* otherwise your baitstick might mess up your snare when it triggers.
TommyStokke 4 weeks ago 2
DAVID COPERFILD
HUNTERonUJIKI 1 month ago
great video, now I will be using this trigger mechanism rather then the one i have been using
KIngAragorn100 1 month ago
could you show what knot did you use?
cekinxxx 2 months ago
I cant find part 1, Sorry to be a pain but can anyone link me??
Joshtube911 2 months ago
PM me if you use kunai puppetmaster techniques to kill animals, cuz ive forgotton which knot you use to tie the 3rd and 4th line pieces
darkdisked 3 months ago
Friction? Don't you mean tension
blackopsman999 4 months ago
learn to build modern day traps with natural material, easy and more efficient.
onthecuttingedge2005 5 months ago
Have you ever caught anything with this?
kodisilver 5 months ago
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where is part 1?
squathacker 5 months ago
where is part 1?
xMrjamjam 5 months ago
wheres the first one?
MrTaurus000 5 months ago
isn't better to put the loop on top of the baitstick?
sniffi10 5 months ago
ya i like that trap but i prefer the trigger on the parracord on the other side i dont think it makes a difference but yea lol good deatel
ivanababiii 5 months ago
That is a freakin AWESOME snare trap...good on you Dave!
minimalistsurvival 5 months ago
Indeed a paiute deadfall...not to be the term police or anything :)
minimalistsurvival 5 months ago
wheres part 1 lol?
and Mr canterbury, could you post a video of how to spearfish and how to make traps with nothing but a knife?
PeterandGarrett 6 months ago
Dave, the tree spring noose trap is a great trap. i have used this trap several times for raccoon, rabbits, oposums and even coyotes. But i was woundering if you could make a video on how to make natural cordage you can find in the woods of north carolina, if in a survival situation where parcord or any other cordage is not avalable
COLTfordTY5 7 months ago
is that dave from dual survival?
aberam1 7 months ago
@aberam1 Yes, this is the same person.
blindwit 6 months ago in playlist Primitive Skills
Where can I get the 550 cord bracelet you were wearing? I know the potential usages and yours was sick.
bigisnjr 8 months ago
@bigisnjr There are a ton of places that sell braided 550 bracelets.
blindwit 6 months ago in playlist Primitive Skills
used the deadfall trap. Works like a charm! Great video.
RandomServerStudios 8 months ago
for the tree spring noose trap u the trap u made after the pauite deadfall u should put the snare on top of the bait stick or the snare may catch on the bait stick
TheNewfiesniper 9 months ago
OMG DAVE FROM DUAL SURVIVAL !!!
Kiki2KDawgTV 9 months ago
i have never seen this trap in action thank you
THESLICKNESSEDM 9 months ago
Would'nt the noose get snaged under the Y branches ?
shuzzbutts 10 months ago
@shuzzbutts it will more then likely
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TheNewfiesniper 9 months ago
@shuzzbutts it will more then likely
TheNewfiesniper 9 months ago
Trigger Time.
primoknoxville 11 months ago
This guys off duel survival o:,
MrAssViolater 11 months ago
most of the time people will be on a plane or in a car driving threw woods.......and they wont have knifes or snares or tools to help them maybe you should make a video on how to survive if you only have the cloths on your back....
mrstarkiller88888 11 months ago
how can i make it for humans, i want to prank a friemd =)
Estebanfuturo 11 months ago
you can go out there and grow your weed =)
MrDank420PurpKush 1 year ago
I was surfing through vides and saw the tattoos and had to watch it.
jackclark1981 1 year ago
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wrongadeee wrong
its a paiute Deadfall
AmericaConserves98 1 year ago
are you the guy from tv with that other dude from arizona?
smileymann2 1 year ago
@smileymann2 yes thats him
JUSTTHEBEST12 1 year ago
That was very helpful Dave, thank's man
GuyTatt 1 year ago
holy shit thats the dude from the tv show
crittergetter54 1 year ago
Love your video's man think you and love the show to!!!!
killergames187 1 year ago
dual survival on dicovery!!!! love IT keep up the good work
BUSHMASTER159 1 year ago
Just a suggestion, i dont know much about this sort of thing but wouldnt it be a good idea to have more than one noose? if you have about 3 nooses which are all in different spots but all overlaping eachother wouldnt there be a much bigger chance of catching it? you might even get a noose over one leg and another noose over another leg or something like that, good idea or not?
MadnessSnarf 1 year ago
weres part1
survivalgun 1 year ago
I love dual survival Dave, best show iv seen in long time. Keep up the good work dude, im a big fan
joehav0in 1 year ago
i knew this guy looked fimiliar, he's the guy from dual survival.
RazorIndie 1 year ago
Lol I love your vids Dave, always very useful info to know! Thanks for sharing brother!
Ghillieinthebush 1 year ago
dave i worship your new show dual survival on dicovery!!!!
PoliteCheese1414 1 year ago
great vid nice detail im made the spring one and so far 3 squrrils and counting yum
trapper830 1 year ago
You probably know this, it's kinda hard to explain but you can make a clove hitch by making two loops on the end of your cordage and putting the first loop through the second. It's faster than tying a clove hitch so you can set up numerous traps.
ktsurvivalist 1 year ago
u are cool
EnkushStrife1996 1 year ago
DUAL SURVIVAL!!!!!!
pupustinki 1 year ago
what happened to part 1?
MrVoiceofreason123 1 year ago
Heh! This was uploaded on my birthdate. Lol. ^_^
AshotU 1 year ago
the second one is called a tree spring noose trap.its commonly shown in movies showing a person or animal being pulled up a tree
bclskateteam45 1 year ago
w call the spring snares
there effective if u track them right
bushcraftourway 1 year ago
i do have a question, on the other trap, the spring trap, the two y sticks.shouldnt they be pointed the other way so the ends of the y's dont get caught on the loop? just was thinkin it might be more idiot proof that way.
kaz2664 1 year ago
beautiful piute deadfall set up. the distance between the supporting stick from the deadfall is great. no sticks will end up under the deadfall when it falls. great video thanks.
kaz2664 1 year ago
Nooo thats not a figure 4 deadfall thats a Paiute Deadfall
studdgage 2 years ago 4
@studdgage That's correct Sir
wildernessoutfitters 2 years ago 6
@wildernessoutfitters u could snare a deer easy..but u want to run your cordage all the way down the saplin to the base,,or wrap on the base of a bigger tree..cause big deer can break spring snare traps easily
5tonyvvvv 1 year ago
@wildernessoutfitters would i have to worry abot the squirrel chewing threw the rope or cordage
bushcraft11 6 months ago
@wildernessoutfitters please check out my channel the first video on the list is the first survival episode of many, this one is on boiling water and making tea on a dakota fire hole. And maybe subscribe thanks!
megapatch80 2 weeks ago
i know how to do that brod. nice vid /phil
redbackeagle 2 years ago
Thanks Dave, your lessons are always well explained and thorough. Keep 'em coming!
RedDawn63 2 years ago
put the neuse on top of the bait stick so the bait stick dosen't get in the way
trombonezrule 2 years ago
somthing that works good is to tie baby carrots to the bait stick for the 2nd trap
ramalotnum5 2 years ago
cool traps allready knew about the first one but not the second thanks =)
ramalotnum5 2 years ago
this was the exact same trap you would see in booby traps, the ones that flip you into the trees, except instead of a sapling, it's a weight on a pulley system that pulls you up, also, the trigger would be in a shallow pit and the noose over the release stick.
good job.
flamedrag18 2 years ago
Thanks very good vid!
D0cTerG0nZ0 2 years ago
Yet another great vid. I am confident that I could perform that in the woods. Thank you Dave!
Chao5INcarnate 2 years ago
But putting the bait closer up the trigger stick would give the game less distance to ccover to get out of the trap. One thing that works great is snickers mushed on the trigger. Try it it attracts everything.
SurvivalWithBushcraft
SurvivalWithBushcraf 2 years ago
One question about placement of the trigger. I know it would probably be personal preference and I'm going to try it out myself a bit, but wouldn't it be bad to have the bait set back too far because the rock or log wouldn't gain the more optimal velocity it would reach if it were baited further forward where the rock is higher off the ground?
516N4L 2 years ago
I grew up using this type of trap. Easy way to double your chances, add another loop, put one on the left and one on the right. Have them hang so that the prey must enter the loop in order to get the treat. I would also reccomend using the wire that should be in your kit.
arctxbushman 2 years ago 2
I saw a diagram of this trap and i think it would be more beneficial to put the noose on top of the bait stick to guarantee a neck grab since their head with already be near the bait stick when they trigger it.
naugotwolf 2 years ago
Yeah u whanna see you catch someting in youre traps :D
tomasla 2 years ago
man i would love that you would show what u catch in this :)
rastderb 2 years ago 2
Who is Iris? saw your tattoo
EnergyDog23 2 years ago 3
Shouldn't the peices of branch, you hammered into the ground. Have the hook part facing away from the noose. So as not to foul it, when triggered
mercedescamper308 2 years ago 2
Just out of curiosity, in your video at about 3.08, can you stop there with the trigger? I know it goes UNDER the string but do you have to wrap it one full time around the upright?
Bushpuukko 2 years ago
very good consistant videos. Awesome job Dave.
rd231982 2 years ago
Thanks for sharing all your knowledge Dave, Les doesnt have anything on you. Hope to see you on the tv.
japattk 2 years ago
Just out of curiosity, how come the loop goes under the trigger stick instead of over it, wouldn't the stick get in the way of wraping around the animal?
ericwitt04 2 years ago
The Hits just keep on comin'!! Thanks again Dave.
axishans 2 years ago
oh =) its genious in its simplicity
dreamthinker79 2 years ago
Quick question. Are you using a K-Bar now, or do you still use your Tom Brown Tracker? Keep making the videos. I enjoy being able to learn. Thanks.
ksheper 2 years ago
I know int eh last few videos he had a Busse custom knife. I'd assume he's still carrying that.
Tendrax 2 years ago
good stuff i like the second one alot
is it true that if you did use this it would be poaching
chrissept21 2 years ago
chrissept21, the answer to your question depends on a number of variables. For instance, in my state of Indiana, I can set this trap on any private land, during trapping season, as long as I have a trapping permit, and permission from the owner of the land. I suggest looking up your local laws. Do extensive research, talk to a local DNR representative. If still in doubt, don't do it. But, remember, this is for survival education purposes. In survival situations, all bets are off. Stay alive.
screamingmeanie 2 years ago
i think what im going to do is make some and set them off just to practice because i live in a pretty public place lol
thanks for the advise
chrissept21 2 years ago
I agree...better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.
thanks
M
skillsofold 2 years ago
that's a ballen trap DAVE!
desertcamelbak 2 years ago
If you pass your snare line through a loop in the trip line, rather than attaching it directly as you demonstrated, you can then tie the other end to a root or other anchor on the ground. Then the loop acts like a pulley, and for every inch of rise on the trip line, your snare line gets pulled up two inches. It also doubles the speed of the jerk, increasing the chances of a kill.
Great demo, Dave!
gypcdave 2 years ago
Hell yeah i like that. If nothing else it keeps from ya from having bending over as far, that can be quite a comfort at times.
Keep 'em comin.
Brethrenunited 2 years ago
nice video dave
littletobykeith 2 years ago
Dave..
Another awesome series Bro! Keep up the good work...
BushcraftOnFire 2 years ago
i like your version of the fig 4 trap there dave it is a bit easier to learn than the old classic....it has been that reason that i have never used fig 4 but instead use a tumble stone w/ my triggers for dead falls....good job and great luck
slopemonkey 2 years ago
another great trap you make setting them look so easy 5*
godsend420 2 years ago
would it be better to use a bushier stick for the bait stick? To increase it's area of effect?
thanson77 2 years ago
Always wondered how those things work. Not much use out here in my state... Not many small critters around, but still good knowledge.
Arelak 2 years ago
I have seen a similar trap in the army survival manual. However, i think a better positioning for the noose would be draped over the bait stick. As you can probably see in the video, the noose didn't catch the stick used to trip the trap. If an animal is gnawing on something that is on the bait stick, its head is already directly above the noose and it is almost certain that it will catch it around the head, maybe arm or body. Great vid anyway, plenty of detail, thanks
trekkerpsr 2 years ago 4
I think you are right as far as percentage of catching animals head-Great comment.
wildernessoutfitters 2 years ago
@trekkerpsr
That might well be the case for catching it around the neck but I figure that for general percentage of catching any part of the animal you have a much greater success rate with the noose catching around it's leg or upper body with this configuration.
I do wonder how much of a chance it'd have to gnaw on the paracord witht his though...
88Kamikaze69 4 months ago
what knife are you using
gibsonsrock369 2 years ago
vary good.... but still have a qwestion about. how manny times should you be cheeking your traps... cause you don't want to be leaving your sent all the time do you?... oh and how long is that animal going to be adible.. hanging from a trap ing the summer time?
zeddarain 2 years ago
I suspect that unless another predator gets it, the animal in this particular trap would likely still be alive when you checked on it.
If you do it right (and maybe tie a little something to the branch to make it easy to see) you can check to see if the trap has been triggered without actually approaching the trap, just by seeing if the bow is still down or if it's up. So check it very regular, but from a difference.
Foxer604 2 years ago
Sorry - that should be 'from a distance'
Foxer604 2 years ago
yet again, anothr successful video!
huronhorde 2 years ago 2
as always amazing advice
GlockAnimal 2 years ago
Dave, it's not a figure four deadfall, it's a paiute deadfall, the difference is in the use of cordage instead of wood.
figure four only uses wood for the trap and the paiute replaces one piece of wood with a piece of cordage that goes the same way as yours does, please correct yourself.
flamedrag18 2 years ago
You are correct Sir-See Old dogs can learn new tricks! Awesome!
wildernessoutfitters 2 years ago 2
@wildernessoutfitters u are from dual survival on discovery channel
TheWallie2k 1 year ago
@flamedrag18 you're a dick
jay020289 1 year ago
@jay020289 for what reason? I corrected him........
you'd be the dick in this situation for insulting someone for helping another.
flamedrag18 1 year ago
Love your work, sir, and I'm very happy about your recent turn "back to basic". Excellent decision!
I believe, however, that no-kill traps have no place. They are instruments of torture. I can see why you would use it in a prolonged survival situation, but meat would be my last priority. Shelter, fire, water are far more important.
I expect to be butchered by the others :) but felt compelled to share my opinion.
Still looking forward to the next video - thank you very much for sharing!
georgkrohg 2 years ago
this is my favorite type of trap. what did you use to make the cordage? i use sage brush bark to make my cordage.
slamfire69 2 years ago
likely dogbane, he's been using it lately
flamedrag18 2 years ago
How many and how far apart, depends on how much time you want to spend setting them.Along game trails,just setting them at random in the woods is going to be a waiste of time.
Cragdwella 2 years ago
Nice trap! Have you ever caught an animal with it, Dave?
kaziklu79 2 years ago
Dave, luv the primitive stuff !
QuitePatriot 2 years ago
Great vids Dave. Will you be doing some on how to prep the sort of things we might catch with them for eating? Cheers.
interlinga 2 years ago
isnt this also known as a paiute deadfall trap? doesnt the figure 4 consist of only 3 sticks? not critsizing you dave just asking.
johnboyrebel27 2 years ago
Well I don't know about the first question but yes the figure 4 does only consist of 3 sticks, the reason it is called figure 4 is because when you look at it when it is set up it looks like a 4.
Mattrocks1231 2 years ago
your right, I corrected him already, the paiute deadfall uses the cordage the same way as he does, the figure 4 consists of only wood carved to fit together until triggered.
flamedrag18 2 years ago
Very good video. I like how all of your videos show the most important key aspects very clearly, the trigger mechanism for an example. Once again Great Job!!!
TimeToReap 2 years ago
Good stuff. How spread out should you have traps like this or how close together should they be ? Also, how many of these should one have set in a given area ?
mojsmg 2 years ago
nice demonstration never made this type of trap i've only ever read shaddy discriptions but sure enough i'll give it a go now
wolfbrother2501 2 years ago
great video dave and thanks for clarifying the trigger setup
wop2k6 2 years ago
nice one
bricardiff1969 2 years ago
Probably the best explanation Ive seen 5/5*
irishguy80 2 years ago 2