But the mythical scots irish despite all factual evidence - like to (have to) believe the Irish all came from Britain first.
Americans invented this BS, most of them were poor Irish emigrants with no religion just looking for a living. Religion was imposed on them and later a new invented race so called Scots Irish.
Scots is a Roman word and means Irish
So these fools are in historical fact calling themselves Irish-Irish
Most scots are ethically Irish, and the vast bulk of the Scots who emgirated were highlanders who were DNA Irish and Irish speaking as well. Religion is just a temporary badge held up most by those who are not genuinely religious.
Scot is Latin for the Irish race. Scots and Scotland would not exist if it were not for Irish emigrants.
The Ulster Scots were not fiercely any religion. All bullshit invented in the last 50 years. Getting drunk and wearing a orange sash (another totally invented bit of history) is not religion.
I should add that Scots and the Ulster scots dialect have offical status."But it has been claimed that the recent "Ulster-Scots language and heritage cause has been set rolling only out of a sense of cultural rivalry among some Protestants and unionists, keen to counter-balance the onward march of the Irish language movement".If Scotinulster contends that there is no truth in the preceding satement,I will respect his position.
@saoirse2011 There is truth in what you say. Unionists did want to counter-balance the funding given to the Irish language but they did not invent Ulster-Scots. It was around then that they started promoting it for the first time as it never received funding before. The point is that Scots was widely spoken here and if Scotland had become a separate independent nation then Scots would have been seen as different from English as Swedish is to Danish. Sorry for the slightly late reply!
There were no political entities such as scotland or Ireland 10,000 tears ago,a wandering people from central europe migrated through germany,france,england,scotland,and then to ireland(all modern entities).So by unionist reasoning if all Irish are scots,then all scots are english,all french are german and so on.It was the political and religous climate of the last 600 years that has most influenced who we are today.Ulster scots dialect is a recent invention.
I would advise you to aquire your history education somewhere else rather than here,some people here have a narrow definition of history and a hidden political agenda,get your knowledge from a wide range of sources and from different perspectives and then formulate your own opinions.Taiginator should be ignored(taig is a derogotary and offensive term for a catholic)he hides behind his racist persona on this website but in reality he is a sad and lonely bag of bile.
Americians should remember that alotof Scots/Irish were on the british side during the American war of independence and were staunch supporters of the slave states in the civil war,their bigotry and obstinance were traits they keenly guarded,their so called culture is a mix of ancient Irish culture and a recently invented history espoused by neo unionist revisionists.They even had the audacity to claim that a couple of hundred slang words they use should be declared a language.Total rubbish.
@saoirse2011 The large majority of Scots-Irish fought on the American side during the War of Independence. They were only 6% of the population in America but made up around 30% of the Revolutionary Army. You say the scots-irish supported the 'slave states' of the south during the Civil War. That's because they lived in the southern states! Remember that a high number of new Catholic Irish immigrants in New York were against emancipation of slaves because they would compete with them for jobs.
@saoirse2011 You also state that Scots-Irish / Ulster-Scots is a recent invention by Unionist revisionists! Did the Scots-Irish in USA just start calling themselves that ten years ago? The term Ulster-Scot has been in use from the 1600's and there were Ulster-Scot anti-home rule posters in early 1900's. Scots has been held to be an independent sister language since the 1600's and is recognized as a minority language by Europe and Ulster-Scots is a dialect of it. Hardly a Unionist invention then!
I just traced my family tree and found out my ancestor's came from northern Ireland.It feels good to know who my people are and who I am.All my relatives live in the Ozarks.I don't know if I have any Scott in me I have not traced that far.I finally know who I am :)But I don't understand why when my people got here help wanted signs said Irish need not apply for jobs?Do yall know why?
@ohno2112 I think it was mostly a matter of religion. The Ulster-Scots were fiercely Protestant Calvinists. Faced with the prospect of living in an independent Ireland strongly under the heel of the Roman Catholic church or siding with a Protestant United Kingdom, they chose to stay with there cousins from Scotland, England & Wales.
The Ulster Scots were not fiercely any religion. All bullshit invented in the last 50 years. Getting drunk and wearing a orange sash (another totally invented bit of history) is not religion.
The Irish who went to America were mixed bunch. This is Bullshit.
They went as Irish and that is what they considered themselves.
@irishaware actually no modern irish and scottish gaelic are derived from middle irish language like swedish and Norwegian from old norse the highlanders are not and were not irish. Thats why they were called Gallowglass of foreign gaels in ireland. Being a gael is not specifically to be irish that would be like saying all scandinavians are danish! All english speakers or anglophones are English! Gael are an ethnic term including Irish, Scottish and Manx peoples not to mean all Irish.
@irishaware no most scots are a mix of (Pictish, Brythonic British, Gael, Viking, some Norman and saxon). Not just Irish and Scots speak the sister language of irish Scottish Gaelic. The Irish are not a race and the gaels didnt think of themselves as Irish, ireland didnt exist as a country till the Norman invasion of the island and its many petty kingdoms united. They were Dal Riadans try not puting national pride against history not some psudo historical quackology nationalistic one.
@irishaware Actually most Scots are NOT ethically Irish. The Highlands, where most irish settled were very sparsely populated compared to the Lowlands. The Highland culture was also adopted by Pictish peoples of the Highlands who weren't ethnically Irish. There was also a mass migration of Irish to the Glasgow region of Scotland during the Irish famine years but in total no more than 20% of Scots are ethnically Irish.
@irishaware Also the bulk of Scots who emigrated to the USA were overwhelmingly Lowlanders NOT Highlanders... And there were more Scots emigrants from Ulster to the USA than from Scotland itself. The population of Ulster at that time was greater than the population of Scotland as a whole. During the time of the American Revolution Ulster-Scots were the fourth largest ethnic group in America after the English, German & African (slave population). Scottish were fifth & Irish sixth.
@irishaware No they are not. Fact is that most people on the Isles of Britain & Ireland are are descended from the original indigenous neolithic people of 14,000 to 10,000 years ago. These people crossed from Scotland to Ireland to become Ireland's first inhabitants. Most of Scotland's ethnic Irish came to the country during the famine era. The Irish influence in the Scottish Highlands originated with the invasion by the Scotti around 400AD but the Highlands have always been sparsely populated.
The claim in the video that the scots-irish 'intensely hated' the english is a bit of an exageration. The scots presbyterians were discriminated against by the english because they wouldn't conform to the Church of England. However, they still sided with the english against the catholic irish. Today in northern ireland the scots-irish are still in a battle for survival against the catholic irish and they are highly pro-British/English. They are also much more pro-USA than the catholic irish
thanks 4 this clip as I fear too little is known or has been 4gotten by the ulster-scots still in Northern Ireland about or cousins who helpd build America
IRISH AND SCOTTISH ARE BOTH DESCENDENTS OF THE CELTS !!!! THEY HAVE FOUGHT SIDE BY SIDE IN BATTLE TOGETHER AND HONESTLY THERE THE SAME! SOME TRADITIONS ARE DIFFERENT BUT THERE THE SAME..... VERY SIMILIAR HISTORY!!! HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN IRELAND ARE SCOTTISH AND HALF OF PEOPLE IN SCOTLAND ARE IRISH!! WILLIAM WALLACE WAS IRISH!!!!! HIS PARENTS WERE BOTH BORN AND RAISED IN IRELAND!!!!!!!!!! (((((( AN ENEMY OF THEE IS AN ENEMY OF ME..BROTHERS FOREVER WE BE, SCOTLAND AND IRELAND)))))))
@XxAlecXxDuinchinnxX well that depends if you mean the Highland Scots and the Irish, if so then they are very similar. but The Lowland Scots were descended from the Picts, Anglo-Saxons, and Danes. They speak a variant of English called Scots and had a more English culture than a Celtic one
Nationalism is a 19th century ideal. People have more in common based on things like religious belief, and class, rather than anything else. Scot-Irish, just means the people lived closer to Scotland, traded with them, had contact, inter-married, and picked up some of the same Protestant religious views. They're just a type of irish, seperated by religion mostly. Otherwise it's the same thing!
@belmontsmild The Scots-Irish are so-called because they originally emigrated from Scotland to the Irish province of Ulster in the mass migrations of the early 1600's. Although there has been migration between Scotland & Ulster for thousands of years as both lands are only 13 miles apart.
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Simplistic in extreme. The oft quoted Davy Crockett of the mythical Scots Irish is a good example of simplistic history, written to suit ignorance. Davy Crockett's family were in fact French in origin
The fact of history is that Irish Roman Catholics were so completely discrimated against, that until the mid 19th c. and large scale forced emmigration, the Irish were absorbed, their culture re-written into others.
A seperate Scots Irish race is fantasy, written by those who choose to be ignorant.
That shows how little you know. Scot Irish people were heavily discrimanted against in history. Most could not afford to have slaves. The majority of slave holders on America land was by the English and French. But lets don't forget where it started. Hispanics started the slave trade and had slaves long before the English and French did. But regardless that is in the past.
@Reginastar28 We Spaniards has slaves long before English and Frenchies because we settled and created a new society in America long before them. But the most slave trading nations from 16th to 18th centuries were United Kingdom and Portugal.
@Reginastar28 Wrong. Slave trade was Portugese, not Spanish. And the Africans were already slaves in Africa, sold to the Portugese by other Africans. The Portugese merely bought them, they did not enslave them.
@hyzercreek I said Hispanic which means people from Iberian peninsula. That would include the Portuguese. Portuguese didn't enslave Africans? Huh. How about Brazil. Portuguese enslaved Africans in Brazil.
@Reginastar28 No, the Portugese brought them to Brazil. They were enslaved in Africa by other Africans. Usually there was tribal warfare in Africa and the winner of the war would bring the conquered people to the sea ports to sell them to the Portugese. But the Portugese never went into Africa to enslave anybody, they just bought them at the ports and they were already in chains. The Portugese never left the ship.
@Reginastar28 maybe they had few slaves in the USA but they certainly made up for slave ownership in the Caribbean you only have to take a look at the surnames present in Jamaica today, but yes lots were discriminated against, many Irish in the beginning went over to the new world as slaves! thanks to Cromwell
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Ironic that the so called Scots Irish are all Irish DNA anyway.
Scotland was founded by the Irish.
Scot is Roman Latin for Irish people. So Scots Irish literally means - Irish Irish
Not a thing regarded as Scots, kilt (more English) whiskey (Irish) bagpipes (Older in Ireland) was theirs in origin.
The Highland Scot spoke Irish. the English called them Erse (a corruption of Irish)
Even the so called Scots Irish - border reivers bullshit. Border reivers are descended from Irish mercenaries.
irishaware 2 weeks ago
It's Scotch-Irish, not Scots-Irish. The name was coined when Scotch was the spelling for the adjective and Scots was a noun.
hyzercreek 2 months ago
the irish and their descendants are genetically basque
MiamiDolphinsClyde10 2 months ago
@MiamiDolphinsClyde10
That is correct according to factual DNA stuides.
But the mythical scots irish despite all factual evidence - like to (have to) believe the Irish all came from Britain first.
Americans invented this BS, most of them were poor Irish emigrants with no religion just looking for a living. Religion was imposed on them and later a new invented race so called Scots Irish.
Scots is a Roman word and means Irish
So these fools are in historical fact calling themselves Irish-Irish
irishaware 2 weeks ago
@irishaware
WTF does a papist know about Ulster/Scots?
Go back to sucking your priest's cock and mind your own fucking business.
Pikey cunt.
Irishrogue61mak3 2 weeks ago
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Scots are not Irish.
segano1 3 months ago
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The Irish who went to America were mixed bunch.
They went as Irish considered themselves Irish.
Most scots are ethically Irish, and the vast bulk of the Scots who emgirated were highlanders who were DNA Irish and Irish speaking as well. Religion is just a temporary badge held up most by those who are not genuinely religious.
Scot is Latin for the Irish race. Scots and Scotland would not exist if it were not for Irish emigrants.
irishaware 6 months ago
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The Ulster Scots were not fiercely any religion. All bullshit invented in the last 50 years. Getting drunk and wearing a orange sash (another totally invented bit of history) is not religion.
irishaware 6 months ago
I should add that Scots and the Ulster scots dialect have offical status."But it has been claimed that the recent "Ulster-Scots language and heritage cause has been set rolling only out of a sense of cultural rivalry among some Protestants and unionists, keen to counter-balance the onward march of the Irish language movement".If Scotinulster contends that there is no truth in the preceding satement,I will respect his position.
saoirse2011 7 months ago
@saoirse2011 There is truth in what you say. Unionists did want to counter-balance the funding given to the Irish language but they did not invent Ulster-Scots. It was around then that they started promoting it for the first time as it never received funding before. The point is that Scots was widely spoken here and if Scotland had become a separate independent nation then Scots would have been seen as different from English as Swedish is to Danish. Sorry for the slightly late reply!
scotinulster 1 month ago
There were no political entities such as scotland or Ireland 10,000 tears ago,a wandering people from central europe migrated through germany,france,england,scotland,and then to ireland(all modern entities).So by unionist reasoning if all Irish are scots,then all scots are english,all french are german and so on.It was the political and religous climate of the last 600 years that has most influenced who we are today.Ulster scots dialect is a recent invention.
saoirse2011 7 months ago
@1Littleagger
I would advise you to aquire your history education somewhere else rather than here,some people here have a narrow definition of history and a hidden political agenda,get your knowledge from a wide range of sources and from different perspectives and then formulate your own opinions.Taiginator should be ignored(taig is a derogotary and offensive term for a catholic)he hides behind his racist persona on this website but in reality he is a sad and lonely bag of bile.
saoirse2011 7 months ago
Americians should remember that alotof Scots/Irish were on the british side during the American war of independence and were staunch supporters of the slave states in the civil war,their bigotry and obstinance were traits they keenly guarded,their so called culture is a mix of ancient Irish culture and a recently invented history espoused by neo unionist revisionists.They even had the audacity to claim that a couple of hundred slang words they use should be declared a language.Total rubbish.
saoirse2011 7 months ago
@saoirse2011 The large majority of Scots-Irish fought on the American side during the War of Independence. They were only 6% of the population in America but made up around 30% of the Revolutionary Army. You say the scots-irish supported the 'slave states' of the south during the Civil War. That's because they lived in the southern states! Remember that a high number of new Catholic Irish immigrants in New York were against emancipation of slaves because they would compete with them for jobs.
scotinulster 7 months ago
@saoirse2011 You also state that Scots-Irish / Ulster-Scots is a recent invention by Unionist revisionists! Did the Scots-Irish in USA just start calling themselves that ten years ago? The term Ulster-Scot has been in use from the 1600's and there were Ulster-Scot anti-home rule posters in early 1900's. Scots has been held to be an independent sister language since the 1600's and is recognized as a minority language by Europe and Ulster-Scots is a dialect of it. Hardly a Unionist invention then!
scotinulster 7 months ago
I just traced my family tree and found out my ancestor's came from northern Ireland.It feels good to know who my people are and who I am.All my relatives live in the Ozarks.I don't know if I have any Scott in me I have not traced that far.I finally know who I am :)But I don't understand why when my people got here help wanted signs said Irish need not apply for jobs?Do yall know why?
1Littleagger 7 months ago
I value my scots-irish heritage. But indian fighting isn't something to be proud of.
allisonforfornsed 8 months ago 3
@thecrusades2
Ever heard of the phrase load of crap.
Pseudo science written by british freaks you mean
That is no more credible than the kj bible.
irishaware 9 months ago
Still can't figure out why they stayed loyal to the english in north of Ireland.
ohno2112 10 months ago 3
@ohno2112 I think it was mostly a matter of religion. The Ulster-Scots were fiercely Protestant Calvinists. Faced with the prospect of living in an independent Ireland strongly under the heel of the Roman Catholic church or siding with a Protestant United Kingdom, they chose to stay with there cousins from Scotland, England & Wales.
scotinulster 8 months ago
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@scotinulster
The Ulster Scots were not fiercely any religion. All bullshit invented in the last 50 years. Getting drunk and wearing a orange sash (another totally invented bit of history) is not religion.
The Irish who went to America were mixed bunch. This is Bullshit.
They went as Irish and that is what they considered themselves.
irishaware 7 months ago
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mrmagicroundcircle 10 months ago
You do not know what you are talking about. No idea of real history.
Most scots are ethically Irish, and the vast bulk of the Scots who emgirated were highlanders who were DNA Irish and Irish speaking as well.
Religion is just a temporary badge held up most by those who are not genuinely religious.
Scot is Latin for the Irish race. Scots and Scotland would not exist if it were not for Irish emigrants.
Try picking up a independent history book and shock your inherited ignorance.
irishaware 1 year ago
@irishaware actually no modern irish and scottish gaelic are derived from middle irish language like swedish and Norwegian from old norse the highlanders are not and were not irish. Thats why they were called Gallowglass of foreign gaels in ireland. Being a gael is not specifically to be irish that would be like saying all scandinavians are danish! All english speakers or anglophones are English! Gael are an ethnic term including Irish, Scottish and Manx peoples not to mean all Irish.
seonidh 10 months ago
@seonidh
You do not know what you are talking about. No idea of real history.
Most scots are ethically Irish, and the vast bulk of the Scots who emgirated were highlanders who were Irish speaking as well.
Religion is just a temporary badge held up most by those who are not genuinely religious.
Scot is Latin for the Irish race. Scots and Scotland would not exist if it were not for Irish emigrants.
Try picking up a independent history book and shock your inherited ignorance.
irishaware 9 months ago
@irishaware no most scots are a mix of (Pictish, Brythonic British, Gael, Viking, some Norman and saxon). Not just Irish and Scots speak the sister language of irish Scottish Gaelic. The Irish are not a race and the gaels didnt think of themselves as Irish, ireland didnt exist as a country till the Norman invasion of the island and its many petty kingdoms united. They were Dal Riadans try not puting national pride against history not some psudo historical quackology nationalistic one.
seonidh 9 months ago
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You do not know what you are talking about. No idea of real history.
Most scots are ethically Irish, and the vast bulk of the Scots who emgirated were highlanders who were Irish speaking as well.
Religion is just a temporary badge held up most by those who are not genuinely religious.
Scot is Latin for the Irish race. Scots and Scotland would not exist if it were not for Irish emigrants.
Try picking up a independent history book and shock your inherited ignorance.
irishaware 1 year ago
@irishaware Actually most Scots are NOT ethically Irish. The Highlands, where most irish settled were very sparsely populated compared to the Lowlands. The Highland culture was also adopted by Pictish peoples of the Highlands who weren't ethnically Irish. There was also a mass migration of Irish to the Glasgow region of Scotland during the Irish famine years but in total no more than 20% of Scots are ethnically Irish.
scotinulster 8 months ago
@irishaware Also the bulk of Scots who emigrated to the USA were overwhelmingly Lowlanders NOT Highlanders... And there were more Scots emigrants from Ulster to the USA than from Scotland itself. The population of Ulster at that time was greater than the population of Scotland as a whole. During the time of the American Revolution Ulster-Scots were the fourth largest ethnic group in America after the English, German & African (slave population). Scottish were fifth & Irish sixth.
scotinulster 8 months ago
@scotinulster
More than 80% of Scots are ethnically Irish.
irishaware 7 months ago
@irishaware No they are not. Fact is that most people on the Isles of Britain & Ireland are are descended from the original indigenous neolithic people of 14,000 to 10,000 years ago. These people crossed from Scotland to Ireland to become Ireland's first inhabitants. Most of Scotland's ethnic Irish came to the country during the famine era. The Irish influence in the Scottish Highlands originated with the invasion by the Scotti around 400AD but the Highlands have always been sparsely populated.
scotinulster 7 months ago
Hispanics didn't start the slave trade!
Arabs had been slave trading for centuries before and still do today!
1234guitardaddy 1 year ago
The claim in the video that the scots-irish 'intensely hated' the english is a bit of an exageration. The scots presbyterians were discriminated against by the english because they wouldn't conform to the Church of England. However, they still sided with the english against the catholic irish. Today in northern ireland the scots-irish are still in a battle for survival against the catholic irish and they are highly pro-British/English. They are also much more pro-USA than the catholic irish
unforkedtongues 1 year ago
As usaul the english put the scots to fight there wars...
ranbrent 1 year ago
thanks 4 this clip as I fear too little is known or has been 4gotten by the ulster-scots still in Northern Ireland about or cousins who helpd build America
Sammy1234568910 1 year ago
IRISH AND SCOTTISH ARE BOTH DESCENDENTS OF THE CELTS !!!! THEY HAVE FOUGHT SIDE BY SIDE IN BATTLE TOGETHER AND HONESTLY THERE THE SAME! SOME TRADITIONS ARE DIFFERENT BUT THERE THE SAME..... VERY SIMILIAR HISTORY!!! HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN IRELAND ARE SCOTTISH AND HALF OF PEOPLE IN SCOTLAND ARE IRISH!! WILLIAM WALLACE WAS IRISH!!!!! HIS PARENTS WERE BOTH BORN AND RAISED IN IRELAND!!!!!!!!!! (((((( AN ENEMY OF THEE IS AN ENEMY OF ME..BROTHERS FOREVER WE BE, SCOTLAND AND IRELAND)))))))
XxAlecXxDuinchinnxX 1 year ago
@XxAlecXxDuinchinnxX lol... True, the only people that aren't good are the English, and the Ulster Scots...
Ian74263 1 year ago
@XxAlecXxDuinchinnxX well that depends if you mean the Highland Scots and the Irish, if so then they are very similar. but The Lowland Scots were descended from the Picts, Anglo-Saxons, and Danes. They speak a variant of English called Scots and had a more English culture than a Celtic one
nitrate88 1 year ago
Nationalism is a 19th century ideal. People have more in common based on things like religious belief, and class, rather than anything else. Scot-Irish, just means the people lived closer to Scotland, traded with them, had contact, inter-married, and picked up some of the same Protestant religious views. They're just a type of irish, seperated by religion mostly. Otherwise it's the same thing!
belmontsmild 1 year ago
@belmontsmild The Scots-Irish are so-called because they originally emigrated from Scotland to the Irish province of Ulster in the mass migrations of the early 1600's. Although there has been migration between Scotland & Ulster for thousands of years as both lands are only 13 miles apart.
scotinulster 8 months ago
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Simplistic in extreme. The oft quoted Davy Crockett of the mythical Scots Irish is a good example of simplistic history, written to suit ignorance. Davy Crockett's family were in fact French in origin
The fact of history is that Irish Roman Catholics were so completely discrimated against, that until the mid 19th c. and large scale forced emmigration, the Irish were absorbed, their culture re-written into others.
A seperate Scots Irish race is fantasy, written by those who choose to be ignorant.
irishaware 1 year ago
That shows how little you know. Scot Irish people were heavily discrimanted against in history. Most could not afford to have slaves. The majority of slave holders on America land was by the English and French. But lets don't forget where it started. Hispanics started the slave trade and had slaves long before the English and French did. But regardless that is in the past.
Reginastar28 2 years ago 10
all true
mixmasterlees 2 years ago
@Reginastar28 We Spaniards has slaves long before English and Frenchies because we settled and created a new society in America long before them. But the most slave trading nations from 16th to 18th centuries were United Kingdom and Portugal.
pinquifrustri 1 year ago
@Reginastar28 Wrong. Slave trade was Portugese, not Spanish. And the Africans were already slaves in Africa, sold to the Portugese by other Africans. The Portugese merely bought them, they did not enslave them.
hyzercreek 2 months ago
@hyzercreek I said Hispanic which means people from Iberian peninsula. That would include the Portuguese. Portuguese didn't enslave Africans? Huh. How about Brazil. Portuguese enslaved Africans in Brazil.
Reginastar28 1 month ago
@Reginastar28 No, the Portugese brought them to Brazil. They were enslaved in Africa by other Africans. Usually there was tribal warfare in Africa and the winner of the war would bring the conquered people to the sea ports to sell them to the Portugese. But the Portugese never went into Africa to enslave anybody, they just bought them at the ports and they were already in chains. The Portugese never left the ship.
hyzercreek 1 month ago
@Reginastar28 maybe they had few slaves in the USA but they certainly made up for slave ownership in the Caribbean you only have to take a look at the surnames present in Jamaica today, but yes lots were discriminated against, many Irish in the beginning went over to the new world as slaves! thanks to Cromwell
Britcenturion 1 month ago
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it does not matter about the idea to divide peoples and put out
so called educated film sterile and not the whole picture
of the truth.
yoyodal 2 years ago
excellent video! Thanks for the upload!
napalm69 2 years ago 5
Very interesting video. Thanks for posting this.
AbcSchoolOfPolish 2 years ago 9