Good news for Amiga fans! A new REAL Commodore Amiga is in the works and will be available soon. Why settle for a wanna-be-Amiga by some fly by night operation when you can have the real thing from Commodore? For more info just visit commodoreusa d o t net!
That's because most OS use journal. You still lose some data though... but mostly it isn't important (probably just cache).
Anyway, what if the OS postpones writing data do disk? That's not unusual and you can't know that by watching the hd led. Seriously, turning off a computer by hardware is not a good idea, no matter how well the system protects against data loss.
Most OSes have a delayed allocation feature. They try to write data to the disk at once, rather in pieces. A journal is used, to keep the disk consistent. I've switched off my Ubuntu PC many times writing to disk, and nothing bad has happened (though I wouldn't recommend it), ReiserFS would just fix the problem and be done with it.
hum... so? data can be lost anyway. If the computer is writing a large file to disk the it won't have enough time to write it all if you shutdown the computer by turning off.
Sorry untseac this is a multicomentary explanation:
Of course, and even worse, you may not notice it in your whole life.
Data loss scenarios by a shutdown:
1. Data cached,metadata cached,no journal - Filesystem gets corrupted,cached data lost,must do a filesystem check.Filesystem may not be recoverable (trash disk)
2. Data cached, metadata cached,journal - Filesystem is corrupted,cached data lost.Filesystem replays journal,files have correct or not size (data should be changed,never did)
3.- Data is cached, metadata is cached, journal lost: --- Filesystem is corrupted, journal also. Filesystem replays the journal until its corruption. Some files disappear or become 0, but not trash disk.
4.- Data is cached, metadata is not cached: --- If it is journaled and journal syncs, same as 2, if not journaled, same as 2, if journal not syncs, same as 3, if not journaled and metadata not syncs, same as 1.
4 is how Amiga worked. FFS NOT journaled, FFS2/PFS/SFS journaled ones.
The procedure is to wait until you are done writing to disk by looking at the HD lamp. In the old days, AmigaOS didn't have a swapping system (don't know today), so it was quite predictable, when disk writing was occurring. Some alternative file systems would allow you to shutdown anytime without damage, although there could be a little data loss from a missing write.
Thought they would of fixed the gui by now it still looks like shit. Good things about my computer is it would crush that, I dont have to jump through hoops to get it to do anything also all new harware will work not just some left over pc or mac junk. But I have to say it does boot faster than mine but once mines on it doesnt need to be reset every few hours it can work for months on end. Suppose reseting is the only thing this is good at. Nice OS bundled with a load of freeware.
AmigaOS is a toy-os?!? Maybe... But maybe you don't know what OS means... Microsoft toyOS is much more expensive and not so good. And I'm not only speaking about rebooting PC...And I have a good idea of what I'm talkng about since I have a PeeCee! Looks like 1995 OS? Oh,yeah! Class is not water... But does anyone of you censors used AmigaOS 4.1? B.T.S: Buy, Try, Say...
Yes, isn't it amazing that you can reboot a system with static hardware that cannot be changed or swapped out. Gosh, I'm so impressed, welcome to 1980.
Wow, a negative 5 on my comment! Are these Amiga guys having problems reading sarcasm? Boasting that an OS can reboot to a full desktop in mere seconds is nothing to shout about. Atari STs were doing that in 1980s with a reset button and 5 seconds. The point is - who cares about a reboot. How about usability? How about use in the Enterprise? Amiga is a TOY OS. That's all it is.
I'm sorry if i offended you, hip hop who listens to that Shite, intelligence? i am currently in collage completing a computer degree in computer maintenance, with i will have passed next May, but dude as for nerd doesn't that make me one? i mean i have 3 custom built computers in my bed room a MAC with 4.0.10 in my living room i even installed Linux on my PlayStation 3 for gods sake so please don't throw the intelligence remark ffs.
I am/was a die hard AMIGA user. I have been wearing Windoze shackles for some time - but once again have power in my hands with UNIX - using good 'Ol AMIGADOS commands. How? The NEXT machine, made long ago by Steve jobs, was modeled after the AMIGA Workbench. OSX Tiger is modeled after the NEXT machine - see why I feel so at home?
"Hyperion Entertainment, Inc., developers of the new AmigaOS 4 operating system, have announced that the final release version is available for download from their web site. The operating system is a free upgrade for registered users of any of the prerelease versions of OS4, which were bundled with every AmigaOne motherboard and assembled computer sold." A private link for the download was likely provided to registrants.
Laughing at your own jokes is the first sign of contracting fuckwits disease. It normally starts with copious amounts of hip hop being pumped through the ears and into the brain where it then starts to destroy vital brain cells that would otherwise be required to give an intelligent responses from an otherwise intelligent person, hence you are not that person.
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laysampson1231c 1 month ago
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lopezjackie515 2 months ago
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Good news for Amiga fans! A new REAL Commodore Amiga is in the works and will be available soon. Why settle for a wanna-be-Amiga by some fly by night operation when you can have the real thing from Commodore? For more info just visit commodoreusa d o t net!
MrAmiga1000 10 months ago
And thats without a SSD drive. ;-P
kjakobsen 10 months ago
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I have a mint Amiga 4000 040
Complete with SVGA monitor, keyboard, mouse, and loads of serious and games software.
It will be appearing on eBay soon.
duckgeezer 1 year ago
You're supposed to have enough sense
not to turn-off your computer
while the drive light is still lit. Also even on a Mac or PC I've experienced sudden power outages, and no harm was caused.
harleykman 2 years ago
That's because most OS use journal. You still lose some data though... but mostly it isn't important (probably just cache).
Anyway, what if the OS postpones writing data do disk? That's not unusual and you can't know that by watching the hd led. Seriously, turning off a computer by hardware is not a good idea, no matter how well the system protects against data loss.
untseac 2 years ago
Most OSes have a delayed allocation feature. They try to write data to the disk at once, rather in pieces. A journal is used, to keep the disk consistent. I've switched off my Ubuntu PC many times writing to disk, and nothing bad has happened (though I wouldn't recommend it), ReiserFS would just fix the problem and be done with it.
ubuntututorials 2 years ago
you forget to show in the vieo that the amiga not need a shootdown. you need just turn off the computer.
ice2642 2 years ago
lol? what if you are writing something in disk? won't data be lost?
untseac 2 years ago
data is not cached it is written directly to disk. metadata is journaled and cached.
claunia 2 years ago
hum... so? data can be lost anyway. If the computer is writing a large file to disk the it won't have enough time to write it all if you shutdown the computer by turning off.
untseac 2 years ago
Sorry untseac this is a multicomentary explanation:
Of course, and even worse, you may not notice it in your whole life.
Data loss scenarios by a shutdown:
1. Data cached,metadata cached,no journal - Filesystem gets corrupted,cached data lost,must do a filesystem check.Filesystem may not be recoverable (trash disk)
2. Data cached, metadata cached,journal - Filesystem is corrupted,cached data lost.Filesystem replays journal,files have correct or not size (data should be changed,never did)
claunia 2 years ago
3.- Data is cached, metadata is cached, journal lost: --- Filesystem is corrupted, journal also. Filesystem replays the journal until its corruption. Some files disappear or become 0, but not trash disk.
4.- Data is cached, metadata is not cached: --- If it is journaled and journal syncs, same as 2, if not journaled, same as 2, if journal not syncs, same as 3, if not journaled and metadata not syncs, same as 1.
4 is how Amiga worked. FFS NOT journaled, FFS2/PFS/SFS journaled ones.
claunia 2 years ago
The procedure is to wait until you are done writing to disk by looking at the HD lamp. In the old days, AmigaOS didn't have a swapping system (don't know today), so it was quite predictable, when disk writing was occurring. Some alternative file systems would allow you to shutdown anytime without damage, although there could be a little data loss from a missing write.
henrikmk 2 years ago
@untseac Yeh man! I ALWAYS wait untill all my programs are set up and running and then just shut my amiga for NO reason!
The point of the video is that, you are going to lose all your data anyway, the Amiga doesn't need to save a load of crap to HD just to restart.
Elegant and efficient.
djmc277711 1 month ago
I have a Win95 laptop and this Amiga GUI looks *nothing* like that primitive piece of ____.
I'd say the Amiga GUI is closer to how OS 9 on Mac, or XP on PC appears. Aged but still a modern OS.
TeensAreNotChildren 2 years ago 2
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Thought they would of fixed the gui by now it still looks like shit. Good things about my computer is it would crush that, I dont have to jump through hoops to get it to do anything also all new harware will work not just some left over pc or mac junk. But I have to say it does boot faster than mine but once mines on it doesnt need to be reset every few hours it can work for months on end. Suppose reseting is the only thing this is good at. Nice OS bundled with a load of freeware.
unknownorigin84 3 years ago
AmigaOS is a toy-os?!? Maybe... But maybe you don't know what OS means... Microsoft toyOS is much more expensive and not so good. And I'm not only speaking about rebooting PC...And I have a good idea of what I'm talkng about since I have a PeeCee! Looks like 1995 OS? Oh,yeah! Class is not water... But does anyone of you censors used AmigaOS 4.1? B.T.S: Buy, Try, Say...
moerislak 3 years ago
impressive!
AmiGamer 4 years ago 2
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Yes, isn't it amazing that you can reboot a system with static hardware that cannot be changed or swapped out. Gosh, I'm so impressed, welcome to 1980.
KenshinM4C 4 years ago
LOL, doesn't Apple make pretty un-upgradeable hardware?
jazzpsalti 3 years ago
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Wow, a negative 5 on my comment! Are these Amiga guys having problems reading sarcasm? Boasting that an OS can reboot to a full desktop in mere seconds is nothing to shout about. Atari STs were doing that in 1980s with a reset button and 5 seconds. The point is - who cares about a reboot. How about usability? How about use in the Enterprise? Amiga is a TOY OS. That's all it is.
KenshinM4C 3 years ago
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QUICK! Rank it negative! Stroke that ego!
KenshinM4C 3 years ago
I think I have to agree - the amiga os looks very 1995. gui needs coke.
mastifiorulamitongla 3 years ago
Please, don't make a fool of yourself.
ubuntututorials 3 years ago
Amiga fanboys can do that very well by themselves.
DevilMaster 3 years ago
KenshinM4C - Obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
laffer35 3 years ago 3
if this os can play crisis than fuck Vista
chrintov 4 years ago 3
You wish. It's a completely incompatible OS running exclusively on PowerPC-based hardware.
DevilMaster 3 years ago
That was before the standards, so you can't expect it to be really forward-compatible. I admit it would be nice however.
ubuntututorials 3 years ago
Now that is kick-ass reboot! :-D
Windoze Vista can't do that, even if they want, lol :)
trodas 4 years ago 8
Amiga OS4 Classic is out for PPC equipment machines. Hardware for OS4 is just around the corner.......wait and see.
foreye 4 years ago 8
what kind of Amiga machine are you using? The A4000???
wandov8 4 years ago
I'm sorry if i offended you, hip hop who listens to that Shite, intelligence? i am currently in collage completing a computer degree in computer maintenance, with i will have passed next May, but dude as for nerd doesn't that make me one? i mean i have 3 custom built computers in my bed room a MAC with 4.0.10 in my living room i even installed Linux on my PlayStation 3 for gods sake so please don't throw the intelligence remark ffs.
farcry79 4 years ago
Apple would feel shamed, if they saw this vid.
bub777 4 years ago 4
AMIGA rulez :D :D :D
amigaflame 4 years ago 2
I am/was a die hard AMIGA user. I have been wearing Windoze shackles for some time - but once again have power in my hands with UNIX - using good 'Ol AMIGADOS commands. How? The NEXT machine, made long ago by Steve jobs, was modeled after the AMIGA Workbench. OSX Tiger is modeled after the NEXT machine - see why I feel so at home?
lbrewer42 4 years ago
@lbrewer42 NeXTSTEP modeled on workbench? Put down the crackpipe and step away from the rock.
richardmaudsley77 1 year ago
"Hyperion Entertainment, Inc., developers of the new AmigaOS 4 operating system, have announced that the final release version is available for download from their web site. The operating system is a free upgrade for registered users of any of the prerelease versions of OS4, which were bundled with every AmigaOne motherboard and assembled computer sold." A private link for the download was likely provided to registrants.
ninjak 4 years ago
where can you get this damn 4.0??? noones selling it
Szturm303 4 years ago 2
Nah..it was 8.6423532 seconds. Christ, get a better stop watch.
kamaboko1 4 years ago 2
Ha ha ha ha haaa!
Number1BadBoyInnit 4 years ago
8.75 seconds lol...who's your geeky friend
mynamesforest 4 years ago
My AOS3.9 rebooted in 4.7 seconds :D
nutellajunkie 4 years ago 3
amiga rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
ematech 5 years ago 3
wish windows could reboot that fast. Amiga rulez!
asphixmx 5 years ago 2
good to hear OS4 final release came out this Christmas, looking forward to getting my hands on it
mynamesforest 5 years ago
N.E.R.D.S lmfao
farcry79 5 years ago
Laughing at your own jokes is the first sign of contracting fuckwits disease. It normally starts with copious amounts of hip hop being pumped through the ears and into the brain where it then starts to destroy vital brain cells that would otherwise be required to give an intelligent responses from an otherwise intelligent person, hence you are not that person.
blade004 4 years ago 7