Steven Soderbergh on Red One

[joshkim22]

COME ON BRO, WHY U DISRESPECTING ME BRO?

[manganzoncineymusica]

Lean nuestra entrevista en español con Steven Soderbergh, director de “Contagion” y de joyas como “Traffic” y “Che”!

[jasedotcom]

The Ari Alexa in ARRIRAW 3.5K bayer 12bit trump

[xevious2501]

If you are a real film maker and not some prosumer or hobbyist then 40k is very affordable considering the simple fact that an independent can own a 4+ k

Digital camera opposed to renting a stock film based cam which includes purchasing and developing film itself. Longer production times = higher costs etc etc

[xevious2501]

I agree but image quality goes a long way to supporting the story as does great audio. For instance micheal Jackson made great music but the quality of his music was far beyond industry standards for top artist.

[JordoSummach]

Story is king, not camera.

[bakernator08]

Everyone labors on about Film being better! Ofcourse its better to look at geeze its film. But we're not all Michael Bay or SS. Digital, and RED is the best next option for the rest of the industry who dont have million dollar budgets...

I'm starting to think haters, dont use their brains.. they just have a 'hater' switch that ignores logic or reason.

[rebeccaskye]

we are just as glad - hey maybe you r a red one lol

[13watchman]

Hes an idiot

no gives a shit about Cine anymore its all desposible now

no one will view all the crap that will acumulate .

Its all just like the music biz BS BS BS good luck America

I am so glad i dont live inthat shit hole.

Fewwwyyy

[pnd813]

@13watchman Those of us who do are glad you don't as well.........

[helpdonate1]

Red epic footage just released!!!

watch?v=LpAoMDuQFgs

[egg246]

@helpdonate1 Troll. xD

[helpdonate1]

@egg246 great footage huh? lol

[Ben1238]

I still like film. Even though Believe digital has come a long way and looks really good. I cut my teeth on film. I am learning digital with this camera and finding in the right conditions it's good.

[Harrisabd]

is that steve jobs long lost brother?

[shaywalton08]

There will always be the film vs video argument but too me the largely subjective quality of video and especially well lit or RED RAW footage wins hands-down and for one reason: affordability.... The fact that I, as a film maker with small budgets can with ease shoot makes me question the practicality of film. Especially when RED is going to get better and more affordable with years to com.

[jmrleroy]

He's a processor- like nearly any engineer. Clearly he is better suited behind the camera, but remember he won an Academy Award at 26 and was nominated in the same year for Best Director of the year twice- 2 films ( Traffic and Erin Brockovich). This is the only second time in history that this has happened. So cut some slack.

[withaspoon94]

his movies look great BUT they are sooooooooooo boring

[thunderbirdscarlett]

My MoMMA Says Obama

[mikeklein888]

Its not magic Stevie, just a good big sensor...

Keep to making features and dont let them interview you again....sorry just fell asleep....

[SkepticalMetalArts]

I'd really like to get my hands on the Red Epic.

[bklyntigr]

i didn't know that steven paints too!.... very talented

[jasonhdvideoman]

the new camera look like film but better the old camera look like video not like film

[misanthr0pe]

Film itself has a limit to resolution.

"Unlike a digital sensor, a film frame does not have a regular grid of discrete pixels. Rather, it has an irregular pattern of differently sized grains. As a film frame is scanned at higher and higher resolutions, image detail is increasingly masked by grain, but it is difficult to determine at what point there is no more useful detail to extract. Moreover, different film stocks have widely varying ability to resolve detail."

[WhoopMQ]

Some of the arguments on here don't make too much sense in my opinion. Digital technology provides so much more convenience at a rapidly decreasing (and largely subjective) loss in quality. 240 frames per second? Why? That kind of upgrade would probably be imperceptible... not to mention the fact that that doesn't present any advantage for 35mm. Past a certain point res. upgrades will also be pointless. Film is nice but don't be so romantic and stubborn about it. Welcome new technology.

[Peterade]

Movies aren't just for now. They are forever. Stick to film.

[geoffreyofedwards]

1080p = 2,073,600 pixels.

4k = 12,582,912 pixels.

The Red One is about 6 times the resolution of current Blu-Ray technology.

The problem with filming using the Red One is that 30 years from now when everything has a resolution of 200,000,000 pixels with 60 billion colors (instead of the 16 million we have today) and 240 frames per second files shot using the Red One will be locked in at the resolution they were made at while films shot using 35mm will be able to be up converted.

[izdotcarter]

Wouldn't it be likely that there'd be a way to scale up?

[geoffreyofedwards]

you can't upscale digital information. it is either a 1 or a 0. unless maybe if you had an artificial intelligence that was able to "watch" the video and then redraw the movie at a higher resolution. but even then I am sure the AI would prefer to watch a 35mm that contains a lot more information.

Red One will look great on current technology. Probably better then 35mm which is scanned. But 35mm will have the last laugh.

[ChainGangPictures]

We just shot a feature with the Red One and the footage looked fantastic.

[DeliciousCassiopeia]

This guy is so boring to listen to, I actually enjoyed reading the comments ... more informative :)

[xelism]

1K is Full HD (1920x1080) 1080 = 1K! So 4K is 4 x the resulution of Full HD! Spitze yeah!

[reticulan5]

Wrong way.HD is actually 1.9 k as in 1080x1920.

it's actually meausured across.The Red shoots

4096 pixels across so thats why it is rated at 4K resolution.Super 16 film is about 2.5K 35mm is over 4K.Standard Digital is about .5k(1/2).

[HatroVille]

What's the difference between the Ks? 1K 2K 3K 5K

[filmmaker31892]

there the diffrent resolutions the camera shoots at

[kisauer]

The 5D competes in so many ways, and its so so so much cheaper. The new 24p firmwire update is going to be comeing out soon. the 5D cmos sensor is also bigger then the red.

[avooslwuthoqquan]

The 5D is not in competition with the RED. The 5D shoots highly-compressed H.264 in 1080p. This isn't even acceptable for most HDTV broadcast. Yeah, the 5D and 7D are great for amateur filmmakers who want decent footage with a shallow depth of field, but it's not really a professional quality camera by any stretch. Look at a res chart between a RED and a 5D. No comparison.

You get what you pay for.

[kisauer]

But even with the red camera, you only exporting the footage to 1080p for HD video and Blue ray in most cases. it not like your watching it in theaters at 4k, plus you also have to think of the bang for the bug, plus the 5d cmos sensor is bigger then the red. im not saying its a better camera altogether, but the 5d, if put together right can compete in many ways.

[avooslwuthoqquan]

I guess it came off like I was dumping on the 5D, which isn't the case. Bang for buck it's very good indeed. But don't forget the advantages of downscaling 4k footage to 2k and 1080p for release. The noise is DRASTICALLY reduced from what you'd get shooting natively in 1080p, and it gives you a lot of framing options in post you wouldn't otherwise have. Also, the CMOS might be (slightly) physically bigger than the RED's but it doesn't have more pixels. :)

[kisauer]

true true, but i worked for a commercial production company this summer and i have seen several things from the red and 5D, and i didnt feel like there was a whole lot of difference. Both the projects were large spots to. nothing small. I guess each to own. But yes the red is still very nice indeed.

[apatheticzealot]

Absolutely Avoo.

The RED runs at about 2GB per minute, whilst the 5D runs at something like 1/8th of that in a reduced colour space and with line skipping scanning.

Put the 2 up on a big hi resolution screen and you will soon see the differences.

[slimeball6969]

this guy sounds like ben stein. he can make an inmate bored even if hes talking about pussy

[sonne5]

Another thing that makes this cheaper is that you don't need FILM! For a mere 10 minutes of color 35mm film is over 600 bucks. Considering you need 9 times that (for a 90 minute picture), plus 9 times or more than that for screw-ups (shooting ratio), this is a great bargain! Not including, as with film, you also need to have it processed and all that stuff, too. Welcome to the world, RED ONE

[jess3a3]

SODERBERGS SUCKS WITH RED CAMERA

[ibanezgr]

This guy really knows how to get someone to fall asleep.

[skytoast1]

God I wish I can get one of these at more affordable prices. Perhaps someday. Maybe several. If only consumer level technology would get this good. I love the modular setup of the camera.

[markomanius]

This is really cheap as it can get, for what it offers. You still have HDV format and true 24 fps progressive video for less than 800$.... but for Scarlet camera with 3K resolution for around 3500$ is really affordable for most users.

[jacksonofalltrades]

Not affordable if you can't buy it! C'mon already RED.

[BloodXHawk]

There is a 3k version of the camera soon. Its called the RED Scarlet. It should be out early 2010.

[marioatik]

okey guyz everybody talking about this camera and saying its affordable can some 1 please tell us how much the bundle cost or the package for the red one 2k or 4k thanks in advance to all and steve

[CentralVisionStudios]

The 2k and 4k settings are both in the same camera, the body alone is $17,500 USD, prime lens pack is $19,000 USD

[marioatik]

so in total is more then $36,000.00.

mmmmmmmmhhhh is that affordable???

lololol

not for me!!!!

[CentralVisionStudios]

You dont have to buy the Prime Lens pack, you can get a nikon mount and use SLR lens's with it, you could probably get away with spending $25,000 US and getting a kick arse system, but remember Digi Betacam cameras (one fifth the resolution) go for about 70k plus lens's, so this is a dream

[marioatik]

yeah u r right !!!

but still we are in 2009 so some technology needed to be less then that amount .

all what i am saying its not for us (Students)

its for pros

thanks for you reply m8

[markomanius]

It is, trust me... comparing with the other cameras for shooting features this is soooo mush cheaper! 19.000$ for lenses is something that will not change for a very long time... quality lens is always "expensive".

[lazlobass]

I agree with your statement that good lenses last a long time but the quality of the red primes is somewhere between "less then average" and "waste of money" this, of course, is just my opinion

[temsi]

When you compare it with what its competition is, then yes, it's a fucking bargain.

Its competitors are not $5000 pro-sumer video cameras. Its competitors are $200,000+ professional digital cinema cameras.

You can rent a decent RED package for a weekend for about a grand.

[lazlobass]

I really think that it falls into the middle ground. In reality it cannot compete with the very high end cinema cameras, people talk of the RED ONE as if it is the ultimate camera, it is not it just make digital cinema available for lower budget productions (as you said).

[temsi]

In terms of it not competing with the high end cameras...

Here's a frame from the new RED Mysterium-X sensor, shot by David Fincher.

Subject: Leonardo DiCaprio.

Key Light: A single match.

go to tinyurl slash y9mp2f4 to see it.

no noise reduction at all - ISO 2000, T1.3

[lazlobass]

not to mention the EVF, rod support, matte box, follow focus, batteries, hard drives/cards, and $1000 worth of cables you need.

[johnnondrowsyd]

where did you get the whole holocaust thing?

[Leonnidik]

Hey Steven Soderbergh, I guess the holocaust didn't happen, right?

[petro1986]

I can't take any more of his babbling!!! Got to try out a REDone last weekend at a film festival (similar waffling on coming from the tech peoples) and even though the confuguration is was in made if a heavy old thing and hard to work without an extra pair of hands it was amazing just to use the camera. If anyone is wondering what the camera is like to work with, well I haven't shot a single foot of real film but it's just like using a Digital SLR in my narrow eyes. All I know is I love it!

[depotdollars]

The Lost City with Andy Garcia was a great movie

[Thejbirdy]

Because i met him and told him I loved his work and gave him all kinds of congratulations and he just sneered at me, didn't say a word. I wasn't even bothering him, just a few kind words and I was leaving as I understand celebrity, nothing more. He still had to be uncool....fuck that, he's a douchebag.

[newacepro]

be that as it may his work is still great

[Thejbirdy]

I met this douche in person, what a dick.

[rewards1rocksman]

why do u think hes a douche

[sanacore4643]

He uses words like "magic" which reveals his ignorance. Interesting that the hype of 4K was never mentioned. I want to know if he thinks he shot a movie in 4K on a camera that has a limit of 2.5K in 1.78:1. Che is

in scope reducing it to 1.8K. The industry is pushing a digital cult. Knowning the actual science is dismissed and disregarded. What the industry calls 4K digital post is in fact 2K and what they call 2K digital post is in fact 1K.

Everybody knows the hype few know the science.

[x6Griffin9x]

But 2K is still twice as good as 1K. Tho you're right, then it's a commercial lie.

But gasp a company lied to pushed sales & create hype, that's never happened before.

[sanacore4643]

In cinema/TV during the analogue age people were honest about tech spec. Digital is more like a cult with a quasi-religious blind faith.

Imagine a colleague borrows $2000 from you.

Then gives you back $1080 telling you that 80bucks above a grand is the same as 2 grand.

Same with say Blu-ray which we know is 1080

but people call it 2K.

[bloodonthesnow]

People have been using 2k and 4k and ___k to refer to horizontal resolution for a long time. It's not something red did to 'push a digital cult.'

Also Soderbergh himself asked red to provide an anamorphic option for Che while he was working on the first half. They delivered and he shot the 2nd half in scope. So it's hard to classify him as 'ignorant' to this! :)

[mitch0cumstein]

a guy has figured out a way to make any type of movie he wants in hollywood, no matter the genre and you think his ignorance is revealed b/c he uses the word magic?

are you familiar with the concept of projection?? no, not digital but psychological

[ponchobarragan123]

i cant wait to get my hands on this camera, this gives me and all other filmmakers who could not afford to shoot in film, the chance to tell our stories, with quality, and a camera that we can afford. thank you all,

to all the staff that red camera employs,

and whoever came up with marvelous idea.

alfonso barragan. latino filmmakers

[TheRealBladeRunner]

Exactly.

[theinsane102]

yeh but you still dont get the quilty of film, image making a movie in 75 mm film stock

[mitch0cumstein]

@theinsane102 - you say this as if the cost of making a movie on 75mm film is equal to that of the red one, i believe that was the point of original comment

[ilovepanslabyrinth]

@ponchobarragan123

I love directors in hollywood shooting on digital as well

Saw Inception today, I'm pretty sure it was shot on HD

So beautiful, I'm sold on it

[terrythemovie2]

@ilovepanslabyrinth

Nope it was shot on 35 mm anamorphic and 65 mm. Only the slow motion scenes were shot with HD cams

[ilovepanslabyrinth]

@terrythemovie2

Yeah, you're right

I saw the making of featurette yesterday and I was like ah well

But that scene with LEO coming out of the bath and stuff, yeah that would've been

[shitIMGOINGPOSTAL]

@ponchobarragan123 completely agree. this is the equal playing field.

[hueymax]

@ponchobarragan123 thank Oakley sunglasses!

[zZrEtRiBuTiOnZz]

@ponchobarragan123 Doesn't the body alone cost like 40 grand? That's a lot better than 250, but I still wouldn't call it affordable.