@NESherv although it does look sexy, the newer turbos are much faster than the 959... its kinda like the 2.7 RS, was great when it came out in limited numbers.. but now they cost more than theyre worth
yeah screw jap cars do you see alot of jap cars in your area? probably yes i mean anywhere you find the foul things someware. how many well any car maker not jappanease/ korean cars would you see in jappan? probly like 1 every block what that tell you? all income no buying thats B.S. people
The NSX represents other values than the Porsche... The NSX is the samurai, the best Japanese supercar ever made... and Porsche is the ultimate German fighter... The NSX is a piece of Ayrton Senna's soul, but Porsche is the soul of car engineering... That two brands are playing in a different league. ...
you will be hard pressed to find anyone that would agree with you about the NSX. the R32 and R33 Skylines were the best cars Japan ever turned out by far. The current GT-R is far better than any NSX that ever ran. Not to mention the J2Z turbo Supra was better than an NSX also. If they ever built an NSX with more power and with decent handling then sure, it could be argued but that never happen and thus it is only a mediocre sports car at best.
You guys are all confused. There wasn't a harsh war between anyone but the Porsche family and CEO against the Piechs. VW welcomed the deal at first. Porsche bought up over 50% of VW over a period of time, but in doing so, almost ran itself into the ground, with 10 bil euros debt. As a result, they borrowed from a Qatar investment firm, and sold themselves in two stages to VW. It's not hard to find this info, don't know why you guys are arguing here.
porsche is an awesome marque. i've seen the factory in stuttgart. it's amazing. having worked for gm you simply can't compare. owning a porsche is also amazing. it's expensive but nothing else comes close. and i've had bmw and currently a benz as well.
yet porsche no longer bulds cars to set speed records to be amzaing more just to be a 911, the last great porsche was the 959 its like the f40 it was enzos last car and had the passion of a proper ferri the ferrari is now more seen as a midlife criss then anything else and porsche is seen just as another supercar. they dont push boundreys like the 959 did the 959 was the veyron of its day, porsche spent more money making it then they sold it for.
why is volkwagon puting money into bugatti instead of porsche preahaps we could of had a good looking luxury 400kmh porsche and it would have been beter than the veyron coz the veyron is ugly
Volkswagen bought Bugatti and used their design team.They put their w-16 in it. The cars sold out before they were built. They took over Lambo as well. They put their technologies in the engine and drive systems, in a short 3 years the lambos are hotter than the ferrari's because their engines are built with better tolerances, and will break down less. Old Lambo valve job= 25 to 30K.??
yeah but porsche still isnt trying hard enough they once had a great racing pedergere and were an amazing manufacture i still belive the last great car they made was the 993 gt2 ever since then i belive the car has strayed on a ferrari path of big faceless manufacture selling cars to the rich fat man. i still think porsche are amazing i just think for a car like the 959 that was built of 20 years ago (infact is it now 30 1989) to still be as quick as a new gt3 is disapointing on porsches behalf
yeah because it shows that back then the porsche enginers and designers pushed there boundries today they are not. today they are no more then intrested then entering a main stream supercar market which once again i have to complain about because wasnt a supercar about showing how far car manufactures could push there limits a supercar is not a car desigined to make the rich man feel like his 12 again it should be spartan dangerous fast. not user friendly i blam the nsx for the start of this
its not the NSX's fault, its the fact that most old fogeys that can afford these wonderful machines could get beaten on a downhill mountain road by kids like me in a 240SX when they have a 150-200 HP advantage, Ill upgrade to a 944, then 911(930) before Im 30 I hope.
so ur saying its because of old fogeys getting beaten by u in ur 240 ur going to buy a 944..what im getting at is that supercars have changed. look at the f40 there was nothing on it. it was made out of fiberglass had a twin turbo v8 and no driver adds. no flapy paddel gearbox. it was ferrari trying its best. i think what ur saying is old people are bad drivers so they put this stuff in to make it better?but u have missed my point. that isnt a technologyical achivement. veyron is the 959 of 2day
nah, I agree with you on the supercar thing, they put driver aids because most old people would crash without them, and its my friends 240. I personally think the veyron is whats wrong with modern supercars, its heavy and hella computers, the RUF CTR Yellowbird was perfection on wheels, and I would choose the 911GT1 over the Veyron anyday, I think you would agree, unless your a McLaren F1 guy and that car is equally as awesome as the 911GT1, I just think the 911GT1 looks better
no not a mclaren person lol. the point of the veyron is that it was an atempt to create something perfect at no limit of cost. it was vw doing there best to bulid something amazing. there is no car company around today like bugatti/vw that trys its hardest to bulid something great. i think everyone knows the carrera gt is shit. when the 959 has similar stats from over 2 decades ago. the carrera gt could have been amazing yet it was just another average supercar. why wasnt it the fasterst?
the 959 has similar stats to EVERY super car today. the veryon gets its hass handed to on the track by ANY decent supercar and not to mention the SCC ultimate aero is faster, better handling, half the cost and looks better. the vyeron is an overblown overengineered POS.
@jamesjdm ssc is a pos.. its a fiberglass death trap with a v8 in it. and its far from good lookin dude. it looks like a match box car.. n its no longer the fastest.. bugatti took back that honor with there veyron super sport..
VW won't put any money into Porsche. That's just straight out silly, because Porsche owns the majority of the VW-Audi Group.
Porsche make a lot of money with their cars right now and aren't short of money. I think Porsche should stay as they are now and from time to time release some insane cars like the GT. Also they should concentrate of racing like the ALMS and maybe develop a LMP 1 can and take it to Le Mans. They should leave the meaningless speed-peen comparing to others.
"ferdenan porscha built the VW bettle for adof hitler back in the 40s so how can you say that the cars did not come from the same co or the same man.but sstill i am not putting porscha or VW down. but audi them things r junk"
I guess a VW is justa cheap Mercedes then! Because Ferdinand designed multiple Mercedes race cars decades before he made the Beetle.
Ferdenand Porshe designed the type1 and 2 VW. It was his son who designed the first 356a coupe. It was always a seperate company, had nothing to do with VW. It was privately owned. VW was handed over to lower saxony in 1948 or so. VW Aquired Audi in he 60's fully, they were also a seperate company. Ferdinand never built the car for Hitler he built it for the masses, witch the 3rd reich exploited the desing during it's production stages.
i have drove one and owned a 911 i have nothin against a porsche or VW i wasnt putting neither brand down but thats all a porsche is a hight priced VW
i highly doubt that and maybe if thats so it wasnt one from this decade,the cars are masterpieces and this is coming from a meat and potatoes american who grew up on muscle cars ,they honestly are unbreakable works of art
No. You could maybe say that an Audi is just a high priced VW, but even that's arguable.
Porsche and Audi/VW are NOT the same company. They have a close relationship as german engineers with SLIGHTLY similar technologies, but they are NOT the same company.
It is a common misnomer to call Porsche a company of Audi/VW, and visa-versa. :)
And regardless. They are amazing automobiles. They are comfortable and luxurious, yet they have a raw, animalistic quality about them. :)
ferdenan porscha built the VW bettle for adof hitler back in the 40s so how can you say that the cars did not come from the same co or the same man.but sstill i am not putting porscha or VW down. but audi them things r junk
Ferdinand Porsche, father to Ferdinand (Ferry) Anton Ernst Porsche, was a highly respected engineer (he's in the hall of fame). He was contracted by Adof Hitler to create a small, affordable car, as Hitler's goal was to make German's "mobile".
Although Ferry Porsche was on the team of engineers for this project, Ferdinand was the one that really created the car. The 2 companies have had a close relationship since.
They are related... sure. But they are hardly the same company. And this statement: "a porsche is only a hight priced VW" is simply just an ignorrant thing to say.
That's like saying that Apple and Microsoft are the same company or that one is just a high priced version of the other. They are related, in fact, they copy each other all the time. Microsoft owns stock in Apple, and Microsoft and Apple both build software for each other's machines all the time. Dating back to the 70's.
You have successfully accepted ignorrance to this entire debate, by saying that.
Lexus IS Toyota.
Infiniti IS Nissan.
Audi IS Volkswagen.
Porsche IS NOT Volkswagen.
Porsche owns stock in Volkswagen, helping cement their relationship. However, Microsoft also owns a large stock in Apple. (The amount of stock they own obviously varies, as they buy and sell, riding the market) :/
Yep. Porsche controls the largerst european auto empire. Bentley, skoda , seat ,vw, audi, bugatti, and lambroghini. My mechanic used to say "the only thing that new (996 and onward) Porsche's have in common with beetles is that theor engines are in the rear and that Porsche uses vw engines to the fans at the factory's. Strictly that isn't true but Porsche controls vw not the other way aroundf. And subsequretly have a staake in the above manufacturers.
Porsche AG. tried to aquire the majority of VW shares 2 years ago but were met with opposition from the German Government, primarily from the lower Saxony share holder's who still owned 20%. VW will be run better, the people's car once again. It got too beurocratic and repetative. I'm glad Porsche controls the board now...
has anyone seen the car commercial where a guy wakes up from some coma type thing and then takes our his car which is now a vintage model and drives up tosomeone driving the new model and they both go "damn"???
когда-нибудь...
ewaaInnaya 3 months ago
Porsche is and has always been number one. The record speaks for itself. There is nothing else said.
hojuangiovanni 4 months ago
BEAUTIFUL
BM3Wsub 7 months ago
reminds me of NFS5 intro
idontknowwhatnicktou 7 months ago
According to quality surveys..Porsche makes the best made cars in terms of build quality..over any other car maker in the world.
The fact that they are such beautiful cars is the icing on the cake. =)
Nightbird 9 months ago
Is it Ferdinand Porsche? Or is it god?
frozel 1 year ago
@frozel I think its Ferry Porsche, his son...
DThaeman 1 year ago
One of the best car companies ever.
Yusep27 1 year ago
959... If only, if only...
NESherv 1 year ago
@NESherv although it does look sexy, the newer turbos are much faster than the 959... its kinda like the 2.7 RS, was great when it came out in limited numbers.. but now they cost more than theyre worth
DThaeman 1 year ago
PORSCHE Dream cars
kingupl 2 years ago 14
how dare You compare Porsche to nsx?
doppelacht88 2 years ago 30
yeah screw jap cars do you see alot of jap cars in your area? probably yes i mean anywhere you find the foul things someware. how many well any car maker not jappanease/ korean cars would you see in jappan? probly like 1 every block what that tell you? all income no buying thats B.S. people
gunny556fly 1 year ago
@doppelacht88 more like sex
vladx22 1 year ago
@doppelacht88
The NSX represents other values than the Porsche... The NSX is the samurai, the best Japanese supercar ever made... and Porsche is the ultimate German fighter... The NSX is a piece of Ayrton Senna's soul, but Porsche is the soul of car engineering... That two brands are playing in a different league. ...
AdamGuba 1 year ago
@AdamGuba
you will be hard pressed to find anyone that would agree with you about the NSX. the R32 and R33 Skylines were the best cars Japan ever turned out by far. The current GT-R is far better than any NSX that ever ran. Not to mention the J2Z turbo Supra was better than an NSX also. If they ever built an NSX with more power and with decent handling then sure, it could be argued but that never happen and thus it is only a mediocre sports car at best.
jamesjdm 1 year ago
@doppelacht88 agree
WindsurfLucas 1 year ago
@doppelacht88 I agree ..god forbid Acura/Honda EVER "build" a car "by hand" - and every car by hand ..nuff said !
jimP71 6 months ago
You guys are all confused. There wasn't a harsh war between anyone but the Porsche family and CEO against the Piechs. VW welcomed the deal at first. Porsche bought up over 50% of VW over a period of time, but in doing so, almost ran itself into the ground, with 10 bil euros debt. As a result, they borrowed from a Qatar investment firm, and sold themselves in two stages to VW. It's not hard to find this info, don't know why you guys are arguing here.
WildAnimalJack 2 years ago
porsche is an awesome marque. i've seen the factory in stuttgart. it's amazing. having worked for gm you simply can't compare. owning a porsche is also amazing. it's expensive but nothing else comes close. and i've had bmw and currently a benz as well.
07boxster2 2 years ago
Porsche has a majority stake in VW...not VW owning Porsche
my2006carrera 2 years ago
I'm afraid you are totally wrong, Unfortunately, after a harsh war, Porsche became few weeks ago part of VW group
328gts86 2 years ago
True
kingupl 2 years ago
I hope VW will not acquire Porsche
mityaandco 2 years ago 4
lol vw owns them....
manuelesaleta 2 years ago
959... sex
skannazio 2 years ago 3
It was very expensive...but this is supercar!!
Sortsylic 2 years ago
tribute to 959.. i will have you some day.. ill work so hard..
derfroa 3 years ago
Everything they do at Zuffenhausen, they do with pure class.
Rennpanzer 3 years ago 4
so nice,.,
carlyingreece 3 years ago
959 - oh baby! When that came out, nothing could touch it.
Icearnie 3 years ago
to bad it was illegal in the U.S.
cmattporter 3 years ago
I want that 959.
IloveAlexisBledel689 3 years ago 4
yet porsche no longer bulds cars to set speed records to be amzaing more just to be a 911, the last great porsche was the 959 its like the f40 it was enzos last car and had the passion of a proper ferri the ferrari is now more seen as a midlife criss then anything else and porsche is seen just as another supercar. they dont push boundreys like the 959 did the 959 was the veyron of its day, porsche spent more money making it then they sold it for.
Gummby69 3 years ago
why is volkwagon puting money into bugatti instead of porsche preahaps we could of had a good looking luxury 400kmh porsche and it would have been beter than the veyron coz the veyron is ugly
Gummby69 3 years ago
Volkswagen bought Bugatti and used their design team.They put their w-16 in it. The cars sold out before they were built. They took over Lambo as well. They put their technologies in the engine and drive systems, in a short 3 years the lambos are hotter than the ferrari's because their engines are built with better tolerances, and will break down less. Old Lambo valve job= 25 to 30K.??
2000boxter 3 years ago
yeah but porsche still isnt trying hard enough they once had a great racing pedergere and were an amazing manufacture i still belive the last great car they made was the 993 gt2 ever since then i belive the car has strayed on a ferrari path of big faceless manufacture selling cars to the rich fat man. i still think porsche are amazing i just think for a car like the 959 that was built of 20 years ago (infact is it now 30 1989) to still be as quick as a new gt3 is disapointing on porsches behalf
Gummby69 3 years ago
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johnkup 2 years ago
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@ Gummyby69
So you think it's disappointing that the old twin turbo engine can keep up with the current n/a engine? Apples to oranges man.
johnkup 2 years ago
yeah because it shows that back then the porsche enginers and designers pushed there boundries today they are not. today they are no more then intrested then entering a main stream supercar market which once again i have to complain about because wasnt a supercar about showing how far car manufactures could push there limits a supercar is not a car desigined to make the rich man feel like his 12 again it should be spartan dangerous fast. not user friendly i blam the nsx for the start of this
Gummby69 2 years ago
its not the NSX's fault, its the fact that most old fogeys that can afford these wonderful machines could get beaten on a downhill mountain road by kids like me in a 240SX when they have a 150-200 HP advantage, Ill upgrade to a 944, then 911(930) before Im 30 I hope.
buckyohare420 2 years ago
so ur saying its because of old fogeys getting beaten by u in ur 240 ur going to buy a 944..what im getting at is that supercars have changed. look at the f40 there was nothing on it. it was made out of fiberglass had a twin turbo v8 and no driver adds. no flapy paddel gearbox. it was ferrari trying its best. i think what ur saying is old people are bad drivers so they put this stuff in to make it better?but u have missed my point. that isnt a technologyical achivement. veyron is the 959 of 2day
Gummby69 2 years ago
nah, I agree with you on the supercar thing, they put driver aids because most old people would crash without them, and its my friends 240. I personally think the veyron is whats wrong with modern supercars, its heavy and hella computers, the RUF CTR Yellowbird was perfection on wheels, and I would choose the 911GT1 over the Veyron anyday, I think you would agree, unless your a McLaren F1 guy and that car is equally as awesome as the 911GT1, I just think the 911GT1 looks better
buckyohare420 2 years ago
no not a mclaren person lol. the point of the veyron is that it was an atempt to create something perfect at no limit of cost. it was vw doing there best to bulid something amazing. there is no car company around today like bugatti/vw that trys its hardest to bulid something great. i think everyone knows the carrera gt is shit. when the 959 has similar stats from over 2 decades ago. the carrera gt could have been amazing yet it was just another average supercar. why wasnt it the fasterst?
Gummby69 2 years ago
@Gummby69
the 959 has similar stats to EVERY super car today. the veryon gets its hass handed to on the track by ANY decent supercar and not to mention the SCC ultimate aero is faster, better handling, half the cost and looks better. the vyeron is an overblown overengineered POS.
jamesjdm 1 year ago
@jamesjdm ssc is a pos.. its a fiberglass death trap with a v8 in it. and its far from good lookin dude. it looks like a match box car.. n its no longer the fastest.. bugatti took back that honor with there veyron super sport..
Gummby69 1 year ago
then what is the best performance car company?
and what is the best affordable performance car company?
samsunit144 3 years ago
VW won't put any money into Porsche. That's just straight out silly, because Porsche owns the majority of the VW-Audi Group.
Porsche make a lot of money with their cars right now and aren't short of money. I think Porsche should stay as they are now and from time to time release some insane cars like the GT. Also they should concentrate of racing like the ALMS and maybe develop a LMP 1 can and take it to Le Mans. They should leave the meaningless speed-peen comparing to others.
rustyrusky 3 years ago
The 959 was astounding. However, one has to admit that the Carrera GT is pretty amazing and inovative as well.
Rennpanzer 3 years ago 3
"ferdenan porscha built the VW bettle for adof hitler back in the 40s so how can you say that the cars did not come from the same co or the same man.but sstill i am not putting porscha or VW down. but audi them things r junk"
I guess a VW is justa cheap Mercedes then! Because Ferdinand designed multiple Mercedes race cars decades before he made the Beetle.
ghettovet96 3 years ago
Exactly.
:)
MetroGeek7 3 years ago
Ferdenand Porshe designed the type1 and 2 VW. It was his son who designed the first 356a coupe. It was always a seperate company, had nothing to do with VW. It was privately owned. VW was handed over to lower saxony in 1948 or so. VW Aquired Audi in he 60's fully, they were also a seperate company. Ferdinand never built the car for Hitler he built it for the masses, witch the 3rd reich exploited the desing during it's production stages.
2000boxter 3 years ago
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a porsche is only a hight priced VW
12344bam 3 years ago
youre an idiot,until you drive or own one you wont ever understand so keep talking out of youre ass
ramairezslp 3 years ago 3
i have drove one and owned a 911 i have nothin against a porsche or VW i wasnt putting neither brand down but thats all a porsche is a hight priced VW
12344bam 3 years ago
i highly doubt that and maybe if thats so it wasnt one from this decade,the cars are masterpieces and this is coming from a meat and potatoes american who grew up on muscle cars ,they honestly are unbreakable works of art
ramairezslp 3 years ago
i know this i loved mine even tho it wasnt from this decade i had an 83 911
12344bam 3 years ago
What?
No. You could maybe say that an Audi is just a high priced VW, but even that's arguable.
Porsche and Audi/VW are NOT the same company. They have a close relationship as german engineers with SLIGHTLY similar technologies, but they are NOT the same company.
It is a common misnomer to call Porsche a company of Audi/VW, and visa-versa. :)
And regardless. They are amazing automobiles. They are comfortable and luxurious, yet they have a raw, animalistic quality about them. :)
MetroGeek7 3 years ago 2
ferdenan porscha built the VW bettle for adof hitler back in the 40s so how can you say that the cars did not come from the same co or the same man.but sstill i am not putting porscha or VW down. but audi them things r junk
12344bam 3 years ago
Ferdinand Porsche, father to Ferdinand (Ferry) Anton Ernst Porsche, was a highly respected engineer (he's in the hall of fame). He was contracted by Adof Hitler to create a small, affordable car, as Hitler's goal was to make German's "mobile".
Although Ferry Porsche was on the team of engineers for this project, Ferdinand was the one that really created the car. The 2 companies have had a close relationship since.
But, how does that make them the same company?
MetroGeek7 3 years ago
the cars still came from the same person so there for they are related
12344bam 3 years ago
They are related... sure. But they are hardly the same company. And this statement: "a porsche is only a hight priced VW" is simply just an ignorrant thing to say.
That's like saying that Apple and Microsoft are the same company or that one is just a high priced version of the other. They are related, in fact, they copy each other all the time. Microsoft owns stock in Apple, and Microsoft and Apple both build software for each other's machines all the time. Dating back to the 70's.
MetroGeek7 3 years ago
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what ever it is just like a luxas is a high priced toyota
12344bam 3 years ago
Except that its not.
You have successfully accepted ignorrance to this entire debate, by saying that.
Lexus IS Toyota.
Infiniti IS Nissan.
Audi IS Volkswagen.
Porsche IS NOT Volkswagen.
Porsche owns stock in Volkswagen, helping cement their relationship. However, Microsoft also owns a large stock in Apple. (The amount of stock they own obviously varies, as they buy and sell, riding the market) :/
MetroGeek7 3 years ago 3
Yep. Porsche controls the largerst european auto empire. Bentley, skoda , seat ,vw, audi, bugatti, and lambroghini. My mechanic used to say "the only thing that new (996 and onward) Porsche's have in common with beetles is that theor engines are in the rear and that Porsche uses vw engines to the fans at the factory's. Strictly that isn't true but Porsche controls vw not the other way aroundf. And subsequretly have a staake in the above manufacturers.
Porsche917LH 3 years ago 2
+10 you know what youre talking about
ramairezslp 3 years ago
Porsche AG. tried to aquire the majority of VW shares 2 years ago but were met with opposition from the German Government, primarily from the lower Saxony share holder's who still owned 20%. VW will be run better, the people's car once again. It got too beurocratic and repetative. I'm glad Porsche controls the board now...
2000boxter 3 years ago 2
Damn,I love Porsche.
cezarscs 4 years ago 3
has anyone seen the car commercial where a guy wakes up from some coma type thing and then takes our his car which is now a vintage model and drives up tosomeone driving the new model and they both go "damn"???
juicylover13 4 years ago
Yeah, one's got the modern Boxster and one's got a 550, I think. Good one.
Oreland32 4 years ago
I love the 959 what a car i saw one at Sears point one day.Zeaerson how rite you are there is no substitute!
Mr911cerrera 4 years ago
Ferdinand Porsche, il piu' grande genio della storia dell'automobilismo.... dopo Enzo Ferrari!!!
stexxx81 4 years ago 2
I couldn't find the sports car of my dreams, so I built it myself.
Ferdinand Porsche
memostuttgart 4 years ago 6
Ferdinand Porsche...a gineous
bugyg2000 4 years ago 3
Ever their ads are epic. There really is no substitute
zekerson 4 years ago 5
So cool
keithr726 5 years ago