Wow, that was awesome. I've driven on Laguna Seca, Watkins Glen, etc, but this track is amazing. I would love to drive it. Albeit a little slower. My nuts aren't that big.
in the team car to Jacky Ickx (while Ickx was careful at the start buckling in falling nearly off the pace) in 1969, Dave and his co-driver spent pretty much of the race running solid ahead of Ickx and Hermann until a clutch failure stumbled upon the Ford GT40 and in the time the team looked at it, fixed it, and took it out again, Hobbs went from 1 lap in front of Ickx to 1 or 2 laps behind him, leaving Ickx to contend with Hermann for the rest of the race.
talk about bad luck - same with the 2 Audi in 2007 - the team didn't get the tire on correctly 1 hour before the wheel nut failed and spun the 2 out as the Audi exited Indianapolis into the sharp left hander before Arnage - that car had a nice lead and it's teammate was second then just like that the car was out, the 1 won of course good for Audi again; damn - one small mistake can cost you anything - this is a true test of engineering right here ladies and gentleman at Le Mans
You know what's funny? Derek Bell had all the luck, but poor David Hobbs didn't - excellent driver but just couldn't show it at the top of the overall finish at Le Mans rather car wasn't fast enough or mechanical failure
Fliparoo, you've got the egines and cars a bit mxed up. 1500HP figure is a qualifying rating for 1973 turbocharged 5.3 litre engine from 917/30, raced in Can-Am only. The group-4 917's, raced at Le Mans had 570 to 590 hp, in 1970, depending on whether the car was equipped with 4.5 or 4.9 litre engine. These were normally aspirated units, because you were not allowed to run turbos at Le Mans in group-4 back then.
Also, ten years later, standard ratings for 956s were about 620 hp.
@Haribo211 Spot on. There's so much wishful thinking in some of these posts you wonder who's actually got a grip on reality and who's got a grip on their dick. I wish you luck Haribo because I've told these idiots the same thing over and over and they don't want to know.
Thanks for posting this. I'm sitting in my little log cabin in Alaska tonight, where it's -44F outside and I will be dreaming tonight of 956's, 917's, and 512's chasing each other around LeMans. Great way to fend off Old Man Winter. Cheers!
Damn nice video! That is one hot lap. Speed looks amazing. But driving one hand @ 215+? Geeze, just weird to even think about. Real courage. Love the car, love porsche, love the history...thanks for sharing!
I know they said on the original video that these cars did 246 in the 1983 race but it's not true. They didn't have enough power for that. Top speed for a 1983 956 was under 230mph. The highest speed a 956/962 was ever clocked at was 391 kmh (243) but that was with more power in practice in 1988. Only Peugeot and Sauber have gone faster. Both topped 400. 350 - 370 (215-225) is more realistic..
Why would a commentator state that in the 1983 race a 956 was timed at 246 down the Mulsanne Straight if it was not true.
I know the cars only had around 700Hp which compared to the earlier 917 was half the power but it was all dependant on the final drive differential a particular car was given for a given cercuit.
With the early LeMan cercuit without todays chicanes the majority of Group C racers 956 included touched in excess of 240 down Mulsanne.
Why? Motor Racing Myth. I don't know where he got the information but it's wrong. Go to Mulsanne's Corner website and check the section on maximum speeds attained there. These figures are the official ones from the Le Mans speed trap which are published every year. The 917 only produced those massive horsepower figures in Can Am and never at Le Mans because they didn't use turbos for Le Mans in those days. Don't take those figures too seriously. The velocity squared law rules.
Vern Schuppan, who won the 1983 race with Al Holbert and Hurley Haywood, says they were "only" doing 215, which is still plenty fast.
No car has done 240 since the introduction of the chicanes. See the correct figures at Mulsanne's Corner.
As far as power figures are concerned, the Group 5 Porsche 917s had 630HP. The Croup C Porsche 956/962 had 650-700. They had similar drag coefficients but the 956/962 had slightly more frontal area which offsets the extra power.
No Le Mans car has ever produced that much power. Never. You're confusing this with the 917 Can Am car which was "only" good for 1100, though it pulled more than that on the test bech. It couldn't be done on the track because of crank case flex.
"the 956 still hold the fastest le mans record"
Which record are you referring to? Not for distance (917 until last year) and not for top speed either (Peugeot in 1989, 405 kmh). Lap record? The track has changed a lot.
No the Le Man 956 racers were pushing out around 670hp but when the Porche 956 competed in the CanAm series in America some of those 12cylinder engines were developing over1400hp.
The engine was always tailored to the track and race the car was entered into.
The final drive differentials chosen for Le Man were also crucial for outright speed with acceleration out of the tight corners that LeMan is famous for.
@llandudnoboy I think you'd have a hard time finding a 917/30 with 1400hp. I don't know what they ran in qualifying and they probably don't either but it was just about impossible to run them at above 1100 in race trim. That is still a colossal amount of power. Beyond that point it's almost a pissing contest (something motor sport seems notorious for!).
Porsche have never claimed otherwise. As I said, the limitation was the crankcase.
Having read reliable books on both Porche 966 and the 962 variants in the CanAm race series where 956 cars competed the works cars were pushing out close to 1400bhp from their engines.
I do not know a great deal about the history and development of the earlier 917 so i cannot reliably comment on how powerfull their v12 engines became but photographs in the history of the Porche 956 actually show the super powerfull 1000+ hp engines being assembled in the factory.
@llandudnoboy If any of these books has the name "Ian Bamsey" cited as the author, I'd be suspicious. He's been responsible for some fairly outlandish claims over the years and I have evidence of it - two articles in one book! Otherwise, well, not having seen what you've read I can't make any call on it. Maybe you could provide your sources for me. I may not be able to find them though.
This clip is from 1983, and it is Derek Bell driving a Rothmans Porsche 956. The onboard angle from the shots from Richard Lloyd's 956B the next year was slightly different. Also, the "Porsche 956 In-Car" video from which this was taken was released at the end of 1983.
Guy, I don't know what the driver. But in the end of the vídeo I agree, in very low sound, a man narrated " Derek Bell in Porsche 956 at Le Mans 1983 ". Velol agree about this vídeo: Richard Lloyd, Cannon Porsche 956, Le Mans 1984. But now, I don't know what the driver. Thanks and sorry for my poor english.
But the 956's Top speed was seriously 365 kph (228 mph) with the standard engine setup. The could only reach more with higher Turbo pressure but usually the didnt put the pressure higher as this car was made for lap records and distance and not for speed records.
I have this on a video tape I bought called In Car 956, and this vid is clearly sped up a wee bit...lol...it is a fast car, and not sure why this was posted like this...hmmmmmm????
Just can't stop watching this video. On Mulsanne straight, it's just like in Star Wars Millenium Falcon going into lightspeed - little SWOOOOSH and it's 300 km/h already.
The acceleration pause in the exit of the corner is caused by delayed sound! There is nothing wrong with the gearbox or Derek Bell, the sound just a bit slower than the video.
But recall they topped over 380 in a 7 miles long straight (I think)- a 25 years later F1 topped over 380 in practice days at Monza,coming out from parabolica turn at over 260,smoking a 1,5 miles long straight in a while,topping 380,braking at 150 mt.,decreasing over 250 Kmh speed, and turning into the chcane at about 120 ....
Those were times,but may be we had different eyes!
teh fasted ever speed down the mulsanne was set by a WMP in 1988 at 251 mph. there were no records of anytthing going faster. I think the old straight should be brought back so that the speeds can be as high as 250 instead of today's 210 like figures.
Incredible footage and ball the size of...I used to work for a guy who raced Cosworth Spices at Le Mans (he was there x7 times, but only completed 2 or 3) and he said that the early morning stint was his favourite, although judging the braking point on the old Mulsanne straight was tricky in the fog!
Hummm...it happens two or three times so it should really be a gearbox problem (Bell could miss a gear downshifting of course,but three times in the same lap
Another thing, i find it very amusing that you think that a Haynes manual is some sort of automotive bible. How about you get some experience in the automotive industry before you make such stupid remarks.
You offensive little twat.You clearly know nothing cos you won't get technical.Keep your mouth shut.I've spent a lifetime studying sportscar racing,dickhead.
I think I have worked it out now! Your an 11 year old not an English teacher like I first thought. "studying sportscar racing" means nothing. That just sounds like you know the results from each race or something, think you meant you follow the technical side of sportscar racing. But that can't be right because you appear to know very little. Maybe you should have spent your "lifetime" studying something that you can understand, time has evidently been completely wasted.
Oh and I really don't know what im supposed to be getting technical about, I said Derek Bell WAS a good driver and it looked like a solid lap. Besides I wouldn't even try and explain anything technical to stubborn know-it-alls like you. Was trying to work out what the 00001 stood for in your nickname, think it must be your IQ number what with all these stupid replies you keep posting.
If you blow a tyre at 230 on the mullsanne straight,then you weren't going fast enough!We now have 250mph road cars,so why slow down a purpose-built racer?You should not be cheated,by the powers that be,of the spectacle of a 280mph Jaguar holding off a 280mph Merc or Porsche.Only the bravest of the brave need apply.Take the money,take the risk!
it would be safer with no chicanes because alot of cars go through the gravel and spin ect at the chicanes and also there are not as many sudden braking zones.
These are low-speed (relatively) crashes. That's what chicanes do, control the speeds. Otherwise, there's sudden slowing from Mulsanne-like speeds just at the pits, and what happens then. Searching Le Mans 1955 will tell you what happens without chicanes to improve the safety.
All things are relative and driving a race car is a dangerous game.Man does these things bacause he is a thrill seeker.If you want to play safe,go eat a bannana instead but mind you don't trip on the skin.Get rid of the chicane!!And the driver in this vid is rubbish.
Your an idiot, how can you call the driver rubbish?? Sure he was fighting it a bit but it looked pretty good to me. And btw the sound is well out of sync
Even if the sound is out of sync,he is still over-revving.Letting the tail step out also loses speed.Sloppy!!If you want to see how it should be done,check"Megabusa lap of Nurburgring"(and it's you're an idiot.Please check your grammar before posting an insult to someone's intelligence)
Oh and I suppose you know where the redline is on that particular car do you?? and its so obvious from the video that he is exceeding it. dont talk crap and pretend to know more than you do.
oh and btw i didnt realise my grammer was getting analysed on a COMMENTS BOARD, heres me thinking it was just casual on here. also if you dont want people insulting your intelligence dont come out with duff comments, simple!
To llChrisPhyll.You don't need a rev counter,listen to the valves bouncing and is there any chance of you reading a Haynes manual,teaching yourself exactly what a valve is and getting back with something intelligent,instead of your usual personal insults?
It's, "Here I was, thinking...." and there should have been a full-stop after BOARD.
LOL! Now you have outdone yourself. Stating that Derek Bell of all people is a rubbish driver is one thing but to claim that you can hear the valves bouncing is just ridiculous. You really have lost all credibility now. You sound like an english teacher trying to blag his way out of a stupid commment that everyone appears to disagree with.
what doesnt make sence is the Chrysler ME-412 only goes 248 "suposed" to only using a womping V12 Quad Turbo engine pumping ONLY 850HP somthing isnt right there? a V10 Twin Turbo goes faster than a V12 Quad Turbo i guess it could be possable
252 eh but what was the top speed of it.the Dodge Hennesy Viper 1000TT Venom SRT10(sorry for spelling) is "suposed" to go 255 using only a V10 TT at 1001hp
PLEASE DON'T READ THIS you will die in seven days if you don't post this comment on 10 videos in the next hour. if you do, tomorrow will be the best day of your life
everytime I watch this I'm amazed how the hell the drivers could keep the concentration in high level on this loooong straight, especially when driving at night.
That;s insane, definitely almost screws up a few times. I don't really get this emphasis on reducing the top speed on courses. I mean, these are professional racing drivers who know how to drive a vehicle. I can understand safety barriers and such, but all these chicanes and such seem to really underestimate the capabilities of the driver.
It is a 956. I just saw Derek Bell speak at the Amelia Island Concours, and he specifically was referring to this video. He also said that his top speed was around 225mph, and that the 917 would reach about 246mph.
Ok Mike. This car is really Porsche 956 at Le Mans 1983 ( qualifying ). In the end of the vídeo, voice in minimum volume says : " 1983 Le Mans, Porsche 956, Derek Bell ". Sorry for my poor english.
In the 1970's To 1989,many GroupC cars on the mulsanne straight hit at a top speed at about over 400Km(250MPH)with that kind of speed,It wasn't safe so they added the two chicanes in 1990.If they didn't add the chicane, many prototypes today would have reached at a NEAR 260+mph!!!Great video Though.
It's almost like watching someone driving in fast forwards. The 956 must be tuned for almost no low end torque with some tall ratios... he steps on the throttle after exiting-- and nothing happens for several seconds.
The engine was a 2.8 Flat 6 producing about 650HP. The car was designed with different body parts to achieve 240-246MPH at Lemans. If you can see it in the video, just above his left hand, that is the Turbo gage. The car had low torque being only a 2.8, but once the turbos built up, the car would fly. At lemans, they could average 4 MPG, pretty good when Turbo Champ cars and F1 cars are around 1.6-2MPG.
I just watched again - audio is lagging behind the video. You can hear him shift the car, but his right hand is still on the steering wheel because the video shows him shifting a few seconds earlier.
There is another video of the lap after the one pictured in thus video. You can find it by doing a yahoo or google search.
Definitely seemed like he was driving beyond the cars limits on some parts of the lap, for example, where he nearly hit the wall in Indianpolis corner. Also, he seems to wait a very long time to get on the throttle exiting a corner, or the audio is not synched up with the video.
Derek Bell is one of my favorite sportscar racer. A 5 time Le Mans winner second only to Jacky Ickyx. But thanks for posting this video. I stil want to see more footages of Bell. Thanks!
Man, 1min10s flat is crazy, chicanes sucks!
mktin72 1 month ago
this shit looks wayyy cooler backin the day
NeeKroVal 5 months ago
Wow, that was awesome. I've driven on Laguna Seca, Watkins Glen, etc, but this track is amazing. I would love to drive it. Albeit a little slower. My nuts aren't that big.
MrMopar400 7 months ago
Whoever the driver may be, what a breathtaking drive!
danwarwic 11 months ago
Not 240mph.
SICKJ0KER 1 year ago
slipstreaming at 240mph, love it
roywhiteo5 1 year ago
TGV on the road
TopT432 1 year ago
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FlyingSchwabe 1 year ago
gr8 job
TAHIRGURGURI 1 year ago
Seems like the difference between Driving a Porsche and Posing in a Porsche !!
manofweed1 1 year ago
Looks like footage of me on the way to work in my diesel Escort estate.
stuntpea 1 year ago
@stuntpea hahaha
kyberforce 1 year ago
the old version without chicanes was so much better
Merto6 1 year ago 4
in the team car to Jacky Ickx (while Ickx was careful at the start buckling in falling nearly off the pace) in 1969, Dave and his co-driver spent pretty much of the race running solid ahead of Ickx and Hermann until a clutch failure stumbled upon the Ford GT40 and in the time the team looked at it, fixed it, and took it out again, Hobbs went from 1 lap in front of Ickx to 1 or 2 laps behind him, leaving Ickx to contend with Hermann for the rest of the race.
ratzinator1 1 year ago
@ratzinator1
talk about bad luck - same with the 2 Audi in 2007 - the team didn't get the tire on correctly 1 hour before the wheel nut failed and spun the 2 out as the Audi exited Indianapolis into the sharp left hander before Arnage - that car had a nice lead and it's teammate was second then just like that the car was out, the 1 won of course good for Audi again; damn - one small mistake can cost you anything - this is a true test of engineering right here ladies and gentleman at Le Mans
ratzinator1 1 year ago
You know what's funny? Derek Bell had all the luck, but poor David Hobbs didn't - excellent driver but just couldn't show it at the top of the overall finish at Le Mans rather car wasn't fast enough or mechanical failure
ratzinator1 1 year ago
Ding bell (was his real neam) he now works in amazon as a picker
knutfheifer 1 year ago
Things sure get blurry at those speeds. How fast do you think he was going on the Mulsanne? Great video. Great car. Great driver.
masstrkiller 1 year ago
Fliparoo, you've got the egines and cars a bit mxed up. 1500HP figure is a qualifying rating for 1973 turbocharged 5.3 litre engine from 917/30, raced in Can-Am only. The group-4 917's, raced at Le Mans had 570 to 590 hp, in 1970, depending on whether the car was equipped with 4.5 or 4.9 litre engine. These were normally aspirated units, because you were not allowed to run turbos at Le Mans in group-4 back then.
Also, ten years later, standard ratings for 956s were about 620 hp.
Haribo211 1 year ago
this car doesnt sound NA
asianmovement 1 year ago
@Haribo211 Spot on. There's so much wishful thinking in some of these posts you wonder who's actually got a grip on reality and who's got a grip on their dick. I wish you luck Haribo because I've told these idiots the same thing over and over and they don't want to know.
Camerameister 11 months ago
this is the old guard
modern cars are sick compare to this
joelmafonso 2 years ago
Well since this is the fastest lap ever set on the le mans track i beg to differ
fliparoo1234 1 year ago
So it`s Tiff aaah?always wondered who had that brief and tight line over there:)
chucksterrr 2 years ago
Car in front at 3:05 is the EMKA Aston Martin driven by Tiff Needell, respected British driver and presenter of Top Gear and Fifth Gear on television.
Co driver was Steve O'Rourke, manager of Pink Floyd and owner of EMKA Racing.
Camerameister 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this. I'm sitting in my little log cabin in Alaska tonight, where it's -44F outside and I will be dreaming tonight of 956's, 917's, and 512's chasing each other around LeMans. Great way to fend off Old Man Winter. Cheers!
activ8now 2 years ago
so many comments
818inlovewithu818 2 years ago
bring back the straight!
Awesome!
pimpedvw 2 years ago
man group c was absoutly insane.. i wish i had been alive to see it in person
spiritcrusher923 2 years ago
1:36 like dropping out of warp!
idontcare80 2 years ago
thats before both chicanes!! so good
macmacma 2 years ago 3
SPEED!!!!! wow
boyimell 2 years ago
Damn nice video! That is one hot lap. Speed looks amazing. But driving one hand @ 215+? Geeze, just weird to even think about. Real courage. Love the car, love porsche, love the history...thanks for sharing!
metsu962 2 years ago 3
Imagine the concentration to beable to drive at 246mph with cars wanting to pass you at equally insane speeds.
Total respect to Bell,Ickx,Schupp and the quickest of them all the late Stephan Belloff
llandudnoboy 2 years ago 3
@llandudnoboy
I know they said on the original video that these cars did 246 in the 1983 race but it's not true. They didn't have enough power for that. Top speed for a 1983 956 was under 230mph. The highest speed a 956/962 was ever clocked at was 391 kmh (243) but that was with more power in practice in 1988. Only Peugeot and Sauber have gone faster. Both topped 400. 350 - 370 (215-225) is more realistic..
Camerameister 2 years ago
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llandudnoboy 2 years ago
@Camerameister
Why would a commentator state that in the 1983 race a 956 was timed at 246 down the Mulsanne Straight if it was not true.
I know the cars only had around 700Hp which compared to the earlier 917 was half the power but it was all dependant on the final drive differential a particular car was given for a given cercuit.
With the early LeMan cercuit without todays chicanes the majority of Group C racers 956 included touched in excess of 240 down Mulsanne.
llandudnoboy 2 years ago
@llandudnoboy
Why? Motor Racing Myth. I don't know where he got the information but it's wrong. Go to Mulsanne's Corner website and check the section on maximum speeds attained there. These figures are the official ones from the Le Mans speed trap which are published every year. The 917 only produced those massive horsepower figures in Can Am and never at Le Mans because they didn't use turbos for Le Mans in those days. Don't take those figures too seriously. The velocity squared law rules.
Camerameister 2 years ago
@llandudnoboy
Vern Schuppan, who won the 1983 race with Al Holbert and Hurley Haywood, says they were "only" doing 215, which is still plenty fast.
No car has done 240 since the introduction of the chicanes. See the correct figures at Mulsanne's Corner.
As far as power figures are concerned, the Group 5 Porsche 917s had 630HP. The Croup C Porsche 956/962 had 650-700. They had similar drag coefficients but the 956/962 had slightly more frontal area which offsets the extra power.
Camerameister 2 years ago
Dude the 956 ran 1500 Hp at le man
the 917 ran that same amount in qualifying circumstances is the 60's but was heavier. the 956 still hold the fastest le mans record
fliparoo1234 1 year ago
@fliparoo1234
No wonder poor Stephan Bellof made such a mess of his 956 during his crash at Le Man.
The video footage clearly shows the huge impact the car suffered.
With a 1000+ Hp under your foot any mistake would be serious.
llandudnoboy 1 year ago
@llandudnoboy "With a 1000+ Hp under your foot any mistake would be serious." Probably would be if it were true.
They didn't.
Camerameister 11 months ago
@fliparoo1234 Not even close.
No Le Mans car has ever produced that much power. Never. You're confusing this with the 917 Can Am car which was "only" good for 1100, though it pulled more than that on the test bech. It couldn't be done on the track because of crank case flex.
"the 956 still hold the fastest le mans record"
Which record are you referring to? Not for distance (917 until last year) and not for top speed either (Peugeot in 1989, 405 kmh). Lap record? The track has changed a lot.
Camerameister 11 months ago
@Camerameister
No the Le Man 956 racers were pushing out around 670hp but when the Porche 956 competed in the CanAm series in America some of those 12cylinder engines were developing over1400hp.
The engine was always tailored to the track and race the car was entered into.
The final drive differentials chosen for Le Man were also crucial for outright speed with acceleration out of the tight corners that LeMan is famous for.
llandudnoboy 11 months ago
@llandudnoboy I think you'd have a hard time finding a 917/30 with 1400hp. I don't know what they ran in qualifying and they probably don't either but it was just about impossible to run them at above 1100 in race trim. That is still a colossal amount of power. Beyond that point it's almost a pissing contest (something motor sport seems notorious for!).
Porsche have never claimed otherwise. As I said, the limitation was the crankcase.
Camerameister 11 months ago
@Camerameister
Having read reliable books on both Porche 966 and the 962 variants in the CanAm race series where 956 cars competed the works cars were pushing out close to 1400bhp from their engines.
I do not know a great deal about the history and development of the earlier 917 so i cannot reliably comment on how powerfull their v12 engines became but photographs in the history of the Porche 956 actually show the super powerfull 1000+ hp engines being assembled in the factory.
llandudnoboy 11 months ago
@llandudnoboy If any of these books has the name "Ian Bamsey" cited as the author, I'd be suspicious. He's been responsible for some fairly outlandish claims over the years and I have evidence of it - two articles in one book! Otherwise, well, not having seen what you've read I can't make any call on it. Maybe you could provide your sources for me. I may not be able to find them though.
Camerameister 11 months ago
Talking Crap @ Camerameister
FIRSTWINNER 2 years ago
@FIRSTWINNER
Prove me wrong and then we'll talk.
Quote me some decent references and then we'll see who's "talking crap".
Come on sonny, let's see what you've got.
Camerameister 2 years ago
That's not Derek Bell. It is a Porsche guy that lives in NYC.
porchfly80 2 years ago
this men were men back then with big balls
brakeexpress 2 years ago
How km/h at 1:10 plz?
flothelover 2 years ago
350+, as the designated top speed of 956 is 355kph . Furthermore,
the later group C cars were going way over 380kph. ;)
KrVoLoK 2 years ago 5
2:21 that was close!
ljguitar91 2 years ago
i wouldn't want to crash at that speed he's doing down the mulsanne, that's for sure
hmdwgf 2 years ago
Amen!!! really really fast!! 350km/h? or maybe 400km/h??
Salu2
Manuel7002 2 years ago
If my memory is good, a little bit more than 400, something like 406 or 407...with a flat6 engine 3.0L twinturbo from 1984.....I love Porsches.....
Kheops63 2 years ago
Does anyone know the chassis number of this 956?
DARTCG 2 years ago
cant say that for sure but i think its 956-006
bavarianbass 2 years ago
heres another vid from the same car and driver now on famous nordschleife
xXRocketToUranusXx 2 years ago
It's a spare car. OK. DBell 1983.
Velol 2 years ago
This clip is from 1983, and it is Derek Bell driving a Rothmans Porsche 956. The onboard angle from the shots from Richard Lloyd's 956B the next year was slightly different. Also, the "Porsche 956 In-Car" video from which this was taken was released at the end of 1983.
vikirad 2 years ago
1984?? omg......greetings
glorys6 2 years ago
White boys getting it done, as usual.
equinoxranch 2 years ago
haha amen brother
freedomsoldier187 2 years ago
The Cannon Porsche 956 is a realy fast car.
I,m love it.
very good video.....5/5stars
MotorsportFreak09 2 years ago 2
This was Derek Bell, not Richard Lloyd
JOHNCURLEY47 2 years ago 3
Guy, I don't know what the driver. But in the end of the vídeo I agree, in very low sound, a man narrated " Derek Bell in Porsche 956 at Le Mans 1983 ". Velol agree about this vídeo: Richard Lloyd, Cannon Porsche 956, Le Mans 1984. But now, I don't know what the driver. Thanks and sorry for my poor english.
eversonabreu 2 years ago
Ok. Check the new text. Thank you.
eversonabreu 2 years ago
You´re welcome.
Velol 2 years ago
Derek Bell wasn´t in 1984 Le Mans. He was 2nd in 1983 Le Mans with 956 Rothmanns, also Ickx.
However, the red windshield, was common on Cannon Porsche 956, Richard Lloyd Racing.
Velol 2 years ago
Richard Lloyd Racing, 1984
the car was driven by Richard Lloyd
Velol 2 years ago
Thanks !!!
eversonabreu 2 years ago
the video and the sound are misaligned
awesome lap with 956
ViniciusLimaRS 3 years ago
hand off wheel at 230 mph very dangerous
BEATHROKZ 3 years ago
I think he still had one hand on but it was out of camera altho that would be crazy
burritomaker69 3 years ago
that's awsome.
looked like he nearly lost it at indy and Arnage exits.
slartibartfast69 3 years ago
This video is slightly sped up, that's why the sound doesn't match the action. Check my comparison video.
Dethmeister 3 years ago
But the 956's Top speed was seriously 365 kph (228 mph) with the standard engine setup. The could only reach more with higher Turbo pressure but usually the didnt put the pressure higher as this car was made for lap records and distance and not for speed records.
ScarfaceHood 3 years ago
Truly amazing, Mulsanne is just stunning.
monkeypoo1 3 years ago
That looks like it has been speed up, but I know that it hasnt been. THat is freakin awsome.
Drake730 4 years ago
holy balls
UFOMAN618 4 years ago
Hunaudieres straight line: whaooo !
ntphong999 4 years ago
I have this on a video tape I bought called In Car 956, and this vid is clearly sped up a wee bit...lol...it is a fast car, and not sure why this was posted like this...hmmmmmm????
canericankev 4 years ago
The car go over 395 km/h
gtonelmp 4 years ago
Just can't stop watching this video. On Mulsanne straight, it's just like in Star Wars Millenium Falcon going into lightspeed - little SWOOOOSH and it's 300 km/h already.
deggis4 4 years ago
this is circuit de la sarthe 2
Westonci 4 years ago
The acceleration pause in the exit of the corner is caused by delayed sound! There is nothing wrong with the gearbox or Derek Bell, the sound just a bit slower than the video.
FUSELFTWICE 4 years ago
380 km h over o my good
ilbeytopcugizay 4 years ago
theres somthing wrong with his 2nd gear. (NOT HIM!!!!)the gear
vivaSchumi7 4 years ago
einfach nur tierisch geil der wagen!
porsche 4 life
Clizzix 4 years ago
Well those were times...as we usually say -
But recall they topped over 380 in a 7 miles long straight (I think)- a 25 years later F1 topped over 380 in practice days at Monza,coming out from parabolica turn at over 260,smoking a 1,5 miles long straight in a while,topping 380,braking at 150 mt.,decreasing over 250 Kmh speed, and turning into the chcane at about 120 ....
Those were times,but may be we had different eyes!
indigoblue555 4 years ago
now thats what im talkin about! 246 mph woo!
zep4003 4 years ago
jackie oliver still holds the top speed record on the mulsane at 256+mph driving the gulf-porsche 917 longtail in 1971
tomandwat 4 years ago
teh fasted ever speed down the mulsanne was set by a WMP in 1988 at 251 mph. there were no records of anytthing going faster. I think the old straight should be brought back so that the speeds can be as high as 250 instead of today's 210 like figures.
golfer0000001 4 years ago
Incredible footage and ball the size of...I used to work for a guy who raced Cosworth Spices at Le Mans (he was there x7 times, but only completed 2 or 3) and he said that the early morning stint was his favourite, although judging the braking point on the old Mulsanne straight was tricky in the fog!
TheRussianA 4 years ago
How about those brakes at the end of the Mulsanne Sraight? That thing goes from 200+ MPH to 50 or so in about 3 seconds..?? Wow!!!!!!!!
PA28140 4 years ago
This was real racing.
944turb0 4 years ago
Sounds to me like he is having gear selection problems in the slower corners, maybe 2nd ?.
adrenachrome1964 4 years ago
Hummm...it happens two or three times so it should really be a gearbox problem (Bell could miss a gear downshifting of course,but three times in the same lap
....there's no human mistake) =
indigoblue555 4 years ago
The audio is lagging the video. It happens a lot when Youtube converts the file after it has been uploaded.
787Bisurdaddy 4 years ago
Another thing, i find it very amusing that you think that a Haynes manual is some sort of automotive bible. How about you get some experience in the automotive industry before you make such stupid remarks.
llChrisPyll 4 years ago 2
Youtube,mycomment does not contain any prohibited material so,WHAT'S YER FUCKING PROBLEM !!!!
zid00001 4 years ago
You offensive little twat.You clearly know nothing cos you won't get technical.Keep your mouth shut.I've spent a lifetime studying sportscar racing,dickhead.
zid00001 4 years ago
I think I have worked it out now! Your an 11 year old not an English teacher like I first thought. "studying sportscar racing" means nothing. That just sounds like you know the results from each race or something, think you meant you follow the technical side of sportscar racing. But that can't be right because you appear to know very little. Maybe you should have spent your "lifetime" studying something that you can understand, time has evidently been completely wasted.
llChrisPyll 4 years ago
Oh and I really don't know what im supposed to be getting technical about, I said Derek Bell WAS a good driver and it looked like a solid lap. Besides I wouldn't even try and explain anything technical to stubborn know-it-alls like you. Was trying to work out what the 00001 stood for in your nickname, think it must be your IQ number what with all these stupid replies you keep posting.
llChrisPyll 4 years ago
And I've realised something about you. You're an insulting prick,who has nothing to add.Nothing of any value anyway.
zid00001 4 years ago
derek bell is one of the greatest racers of all time! google him
krtRocket 4 years ago
If you blow a tyre at 230 on the mullsanne straight,then you weren't going fast enough!We now have 250mph road cars,so why slow down a purpose-built racer?You should not be cheated,by the powers that be,of the spectacle of a 280mph Jaguar holding off a 280mph Merc or Porsche.Only the bravest of the brave need apply.Take the money,take the risk!
zid00001 4 years ago
because there arn't any cars, even racing cars, that go that fast.
mrgiggles247 4 years ago
Those were the days!! Today is like driving to the supermarket in a mini.
ccanaves 4 years ago
lol that driver is very good he is not rubbish
hihicarsrule1212 4 years ago
do you no how dangerous it would b with no chicanes
krtRocket 4 years ago
it would be safer with no chicanes because alot of cars go through the gravel and spin ect at the chicanes and also there are not as many sudden braking zones.
golfer0000001 4 years ago
These are low-speed (relatively) crashes. That's what chicanes do, control the speeds. Otherwise, there's sudden slowing from Mulsanne-like speeds just at the pits, and what happens then. Searching Le Mans 1955 will tell you what happens without chicanes to improve the safety.
stens 4 years ago
All things are relative and driving a race car is a dangerous game.Man does these things bacause he is a thrill seeker.If you want to play safe,go eat a bannana instead but mind you don't trip on the skin.Get rid of the chicane!!And the driver in this vid is rubbish.
zid00001 4 years ago
Your an idiot, how can you call the driver rubbish?? Sure he was fighting it a bit but it looked pretty good to me. And btw the sound is well out of sync
llChrisPyll 4 years ago
Even if the sound is out of sync,he is still over-revving.Letting the tail step out also loses speed.Sloppy!!If you want to see how it should be done,check"Megabusa lap of Nurburgring"(and it's you're an idiot.Please check your grammar before posting an insult to someone's intelligence)
zid00001 4 years ago
Oh and I suppose you know where the redline is on that particular car do you?? and its so obvious from the video that he is exceeding it. dont talk crap and pretend to know more than you do.
oh and btw i didnt realise my grammer was getting analysed on a COMMENTS BOARD, heres me thinking it was just casual on here. also if you dont want people insulting your intelligence dont come out with duff comments, simple!
llChrisPyll 4 years ago
To llChrisPhyll.You don't need a rev counter,listen to the valves bouncing and is there any chance of you reading a Haynes manual,teaching yourself exactly what a valve is and getting back with something intelligent,instead of your usual personal insults?
It's, "Here I was, thinking...." and there should have been a full-stop after BOARD.
zid00001 4 years ago
LOL! Now you have outdone yourself. Stating that Derek Bell of all people is a rubbish driver is one thing but to claim that you can hear the valves bouncing is just ridiculous. You really have lost all credibility now. You sound like an english teacher trying to blag his way out of a stupid commment that everyone appears to disagree with.
llChrisPyll 4 years ago
Valves bouncing?
U mean the turbos dump valve whistle when lifting the throttle?
Jyllenberg 4 years ago
what if u blew a tire @ 230? its worse than going off @ 100> Der de der!
krtRocket 4 years ago
I wish the ACO would get rid of one of the chicanes on the Mulsanne Straight.
LolaJudd 4 years ago
i got derik's autograph at magny course a couple years ago
carrierform 4 years ago
i wish Forza 2 had sarthe on it :(
penguin471 4 years ago
could u imagine goin 240+ (mph) and blow a tire on that straight, that would be friggenscary.
penguin471 4 years ago
If anyone is interested in trap speeds for Le Mans...
mulsannescorner . com / maxspeed. htm
csdiasio 4 years ago
The fastest car down the Mulsannne was the WM Peugeot P88 in 1988 (251mph), the Peugeot 905 didn't race until 1991
kevy888 4 years ago
what doesnt make sence is the Chrysler ME-412 only goes 248 "suposed" to only using a womping V12 Quad Turbo engine pumping ONLY 850HP somthing isnt right there? a V10 Twin Turbo goes faster than a V12 Quad Turbo i guess it could be possable
SGWolf222 4 years ago
252 eh but what was the top speed of it.the Dodge Hennesy Viper 1000TT Venom SRT10(sorry for spelling) is "suposed" to go 255 using only a V10 TT at 1001hp
SGWolf222 4 years ago
dude that shit can handle for shit
carrierform 4 years ago
I'm sorry my last comment was wrong. the fasted thing ever down that straight was a peugeot 905 in 1988 at 251MPH
golfer0000001 4 years ago
Porsche 956 driven by Derreck BELL, fu.. me man !!! AMAZING
bigrigou 4 years ago
I wonder if this was the Rothmans Porsche
777west 4 years ago
it was. I downloaded the original movie. it does a 246 mp/h at the straight..seriously not normal. It was in 1983 btw
Slayer1989 4 years ago
The 956 was able to get about 365 kph.
The WM Peugots were even able to reach 400 kph.
So 246 mph (320 kph) is "normal"
ScarfaceHood 4 years ago
246 mph isn't 320.. 246 mph is 396 kmh dude
Slayer1989 4 years ago 6
Yeah just realized. :P Made a mistake there.
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JURZEYGURL5295 4 years ago
I have this video on a tape somewhere and it said that the 956s were timed at 252mph down the mulsanne.
golfer0000001 4 years ago
Actually he said "Perhaps the most famous racing circuit in the world, Circuit de la Sarthe, Le Mans"
jezroller3 4 years ago
everytime I watch this I'm amazed how the hell the drivers could keep the concentration in high level on this loooong straight, especially when driving at night.
deggis2 4 years ago
i am not sure i would want to drive that fast..would love to drive the car at a lower speed tho :)
runatrain 4 years ago
That;s insane, definitely almost screws up a few times. I don't really get this emphasis on reducing the top speed on courses. I mean, these are professional racing drivers who know how to drive a vehicle. I can understand safety barriers and such, but all these chicanes and such seem to really underestimate the capabilities of the driver.
vansoth 4 years ago
h o l y s h i t
PretentiousFilms 5 years ago
It is a 956. I just saw Derek Bell speak at the Amelia Island Concours, and he specifically was referring to this video. He also said that his top speed was around 225mph, and that the 917 would reach about 246mph.
aphand 5 years ago
That seems backwards. The 956 was definitely capable of over 240. I think the 917 could reach somewhere around 230.
evan1005 4 years ago
This same video is on the Google website and it says that this car is a Porsche 917. That would put this video around 1970.
So which car is it really???? LOL
Mike11234 5 years ago
Ok Mike. This car is really Porsche 956 at Le Mans 1983 ( qualifying ). In the end of the vídeo, voice in minimum volume says : " 1983 Le Mans, Porsche 956, Derek Bell ". Sorry for my poor english.
eversonabreu 5 years ago
thanks, i heard a F1 driver say the difference between
F1 and Lemans is that the F1 is technical and responsive,
and that at Lemans backstraight he was doing 243MPH and
looked to his right side and was getting passed!
superraver 5 years ago
In the 1970's To 1989,many GroupC cars on the mulsanne straight hit at a top speed at about over 400Km(250MPH)with that kind of speed,It wasn't safe so they added the two chicanes in 1990.If they didn't add the chicane, many prototypes today would have reached at a NEAR 260+mph!!!Great video Though.
deadmanCLR 5 years ago
god what a bunch of criminals Porsche were to design this car. It claimed so many talents because of their attempt for maximum ground effects
funkydan123 5 years ago
It's almost like watching someone driving in fast forwards. The 956 must be tuned for almost no low end torque with some tall ratios... he steps on the throttle after exiting-- and nothing happens for several seconds.
orbassasin 5 years ago
The engine was a 2.8 Flat 6 producing about 650HP. The car was designed with different body parts to achieve 240-246MPH at Lemans. If you can see it in the video, just above his left hand, that is the Turbo gage. The car had low torque being only a 2.8, but once the turbos built up, the car would fly. At lemans, they could average 4 MPG, pretty good when Turbo Champ cars and F1 cars are around 1.6-2MPG.
Twin540i 5 years ago
I thought it would be something like that. Porsche has a long history of turbo charging, especially with big ones. But, that you for the knowledge.
orbassasin 5 years ago
Sorry no. It would appaer the sound/video is'nt in sync.
jfromfive 5 years ago
Le Mans circuit is ruined because of all the changes.
Its not the Le Mans circus.
Trex1980 5 years ago
cool vid, like the one where Derek Bell goes around the ring in the 956.
Porsche911GT1 5 years ago
i so wish they had never put the chicanes on the straight. Amazing cars group C racing was the best
Cygnum 5 years ago
every time I watch this video I get a smile on my face, it's incredible
Slayer1989 5 years ago
I just watched again - audio is lagging behind the video. You can hear him shift the car, but his right hand is still on the steering wheel because the video shows him shifting a few seconds earlier.
evan1005 5 years ago
There is another video of the lap after the one pictured in thus video. You can find it by doing a yahoo or google search.
Definitely seemed like he was driving beyond the cars limits on some parts of the lap, for example, where he nearly hit the wall in Indianpolis corner. Also, he seems to wait a very long time to get on the throttle exiting a corner, or the audio is not synched up with the video.
evan1005 5 years ago
very nice!but I would fear doing the Hunaudières nearly to 380 kph.!
YassineSaidi 5 years ago
Thank's Yassine.
eversonabreu 5 years ago
Derek Bell is one of my favorite sportscar racer. A 5 time Le Mans winner second only to Jacky Ickyx. But thanks for posting this video. I stil want to see more footages of Bell. Thanks!
farley528 5 years ago
Thank's for your comment Farley.
eversonabreu 5 years ago
hoagy your right that is very fast
charlie2g 5 years ago
Thank's for you comment, Charlie. Sorry for my horrible english, ok ?
eversonabreu 5 years ago