Large Frame Backpacks: Kelty Super Tioga Part 1

[1911aces]

No one that I can find has this pack, or the 5000. what would be next in line?

[Twisted86]

How much does your pack weigh? I currently have a full-sized back with external frame and I have 80 pounds packed. I weigh 220 pounds and 6'3 and I wonder if its too much?

Mine is a Carson.....can't find the model # but Bass Pro sold it and it only comes in blue now (mine is a dark blue)

[kunstsein]

Does anybody knows where i can get those in Europe? No store i have ever been to(?) has them and i found no online shops ether. Amazon.com doesn't ship them for some reason. Dang that sucks big time.

[Rush64A]

LOL. That light does have some issues!

[Bill11812]

Nut, have you ever used the military issue Alice packs? Either the medium or large with the fame? I have both, and for what I paid and how much I can stick in them or attach to them they do me right. Once you attach the molle straps in place of the issue straps that is.

[monkadelic13]

i modded a medium alice pack on a coleman external frame with the molle II shoulder straps and kidney pad..... what a blessing i still had that old piece of shit pack from boy scouts 20 years ago. i LOVE externals.. bah bah internal frames- they suck and dont hold up to the stress

[myantispambox]

The largest external frame backpack on the Kelty site currently is the Trekker 65 (3950 cu in). Seems like the internal frame packs are winning.

[campcomp00]

In my opinion "bigger" isn't always better. I find that sure I carry more, but can pack too much and mule myself. a little smaller pack makes you more careful with what you load up. just FYI

[TLNoir]

I'm a complete and utter noob to the backpacking world. I plan on backpacking the states (and possibly beyond) soon, and your insights on which aspects of a pack to take into consideration are very helpful.

[HellFire46]

you should check out the ILBE 2nd gen ruck sack equivalent system

[ruckpack5]

people! - The only Backpack you need is the molle-126

from CheaperThanDirt

Travel light and Tactical!

[thecjc97]

do they still make this pack anymore

[JohnTheRipper723]

Note. Guys don't look for just this pack, look at what it has as feature because as i found out from buying my REI 40 liter pack is they are like boots you want them to fit well and feel well, or else they will be really annoying to wear once you have that weight in them. Because I tried the redwing and put 40 pounds in it and it didn't feel good and weight seemed to bear onto my shoulder a lot. This was do to the fact it wasn't a get size and fit of pack for my body shape and type.

[BOBSAGATification]

i`m Pretty sure that you can Fit you`re dog in that backpack,nutnfancy.

[5dognight1]

Bought this identical pack on ebay for myself and a brand new tioga 5500 for my wife after watching this review about a year ago. These are awesome packs. I'm happy I got them, especially considering they're not being sold presently. You were also right about the sawvivor, sog flash ll, cs recon scout, and so many other purchases. I'm not a TNP'er or even a subscriber but, you've made our family hiking trips more fun and safe due to reliable equiptment. Thank you.

[jarhiker]

back up light, I love it

[jakesnake237]

last year i loved kelty but now their colors are ugly and i was really disappointed when they did away with the tioga ( i think that this is the size) 5500 and that really made me mad because i was going to buy one but i guess i'll have to get a used one or one from an overstock place

[kevin22212]

external frame pack are more fore short hard hikes with heavy loads, internal are for longer hikes.

[bones020694]

Nutnfancy, you are both a scholar and a gentleman, keep up the good work

[willsk8zero]

really wish they would bring back the Super Tioga or at least a version very similar to it.For now i'm settling with a Jansport Carson external frame pack, i'm happy with it so far.

[kabah088]

I just picked up the Kelty Trekker 3950. Im loving every bit of it!

[loadedlongboardlover]

to bad the super tioga is discontinued

[ranger1172]

I'm buying a new external frame pack and the only offering that interests me on the kelty site is the trekker 65...no large tioga right now. Ant comments on the trekker

[jbono731]

Your dog is gorgeous!

[BIILYBOB999]

lol your backup light is brighter than your primary light

[keeperscombine]

great job on the review is this pack the up grade to the camp kitchen pack by

kelty

[Greatbloke]

Great review. I have to agree with you on external frame packs often being better than internal frame packs..at least on well defined tracks..where there's no jumping and scrambling over boulders ect.. I love the way that the weight sits on your hips and is directed down your legs...almost floating there if you adjust it to take all the weight off your shoulders and back.. but you can tighten it up while walking to put more weight on your shoulders and rest your hips for a while.

[intosh0812]

Timber. LOL

[wingman115]

Kick ass review Fancy thanks for sharing! I loved it so much I went out and purchased one from REI!...

[jarhead2966]

i have a kelty redcloud 5600. its great, makes 70 pounds feel like 15. hugs the body perfectly and you can even bend the frame to you shape. ive had if for 5 years and i will always buy kelty ( if this pack ever "breaks", very unlikely ), the pack weighs 6 pounds alone, but its made for long trips and the weight distribution makes it feel like nothing. great packs

[SleepyFox79]

where can i find those timbuktu camera pouches? i have one that isnt timbuktu but it's built the exact same way from eastsports and i love it, i want to get a few more but im having no luck finding them!

[SleepyFox79]

i found them! they are called the timbuktu 2 way case they come in small and medium, i just ordered two mediums in hunter orange and grey!

[andrisig33]

@nutnfancy / Veri

A somewhat strange questions perhaps. What are the dimensions of the Kelty Tioga 5500 without stuff. Normally of course you would add stuff, but I have to get it first :-)

I'm trying to make an estimate of the costs when ordering this backpack and need to know what the packaging dimensions are to calculate the freight costs and have it send to The Netherlands. The same applies for the Kelty Trekker 3950 External Frame, that one I would like to have also.

[nutnfancy]

@andrisig33 I would be glad to ask Nutn to check it for you but he is putzing around out in the great wide open. Have you tried asking Kelty? Their customer service may have the answer at hand. If that doesn't work, lemme know, and I will ask Nutn as soon as he checks in. -- Veri

[XCritonX]

I wish they still made them in that green color.

[iamtheclay]

Nutnfancy, you are such an inspiration to a fat, suburban, lazy bastard! I am about to go camping for the first time thanks to you. You are such a great dad! Should be so proud of yourself and "Suspect"! God Bless! And thanks for your vids! They are life changing!

[Xarcas]

Does anyone know of any retailers that sell these in europe? Or maybe a european manufacturer of external frame packs? Been looking for hours without succes

[suzukitard]

hey dude like ur vids i have the same kelty pack my dad gave it to me but i thought about it and the tunnel from the back to the inside would be perfect to run the hydration tube through again dont know if u knew that

[MrVoiceofreason123]

Do you put your sleeping bag inside the bag or lash it to the outside? If you put it outside, how do you deal with rain? Just get a waterproof stuff sack?

[XdannyandfriendsX]

Nutn you should make a new backpack review video when u get the time. it would be a really nice change in pace.

by the way keep up the good work i think you are the best person on youtube

[basspunk83]

osprey makes some great internal frame packs! with lots of versatility, so does gregory! they are nice packs! i have the newest version on the tioga cause it was cheaper with 5300 ci

[darren669williams]

Love the review.I am Looking for a Large External Frame pack. I have always preferd them to the internal frame sacks But i can find a good external frrame antwhere. All the shop in the UK seem to only stock internal frames.

[XCritonX]

I prefer to lash my big knife to the outside of the pack to get at it easily.

My small knife is always at hand, as well as fire making stuff.

[enzo83sr]

'...back up light *boom.' ? you are so fucking ready for the shit to go down huh! lol.

[RootBoot22]

I carry a Kelty Trekker 3950 cubic inch external framepack, and its way more comfortable than the internals in my opinion. I tried both on, I prefer the external. I like the weight up high, (im tall) so it helps. Go with what fits best, not what the industry pushes on ya =)

May your boots meet every mile.

[NoTheocracy2008]

RootBoot22, do you find using a large external frame backpack is more difficult to maneuver with. I hear its supposedly harder to maneuver with an external frame pack, is this true?

[RootBoot22]

NoTheocracy2008, I dont think its hard to maneuver my 3950 at all. I havent used the Tioga 5000 or a pack as big as that, but the overall size is not too much larger than what I carry now. The only problem I ever had was when I tried to go underneath a fallen tree, my pack got caught. But any pack would there lol otherwise its been awesome all around.

[streetpunk99]

funny you should say about biased sales people. I was in an REI store last week and asked why they did not have any external frame packs. the salesmen kind of smerked and laughed under his breath and was like " dude, no one has carried them since the 70's" i almost felt embarassed but then remembered how bad internal frame packs suck, which just proved to me how ignorant the salesmen was. so i wrote him off asap and went about my buisness.

[acorn1754]

You mentioned that this is a 4750 cu-in backpack, while the new Tiogas are 5500 cu-in, but isn't that more of a function that the Super Tioga pack you are showing doesn't have a sleeping bag compartment while the newer ones do? I can see a sleeping bag compartment having 750 cu-in of space, so I doubt this pack is any smaller than the new Tiogas, it's more a function they put a sleeping bag compartment in to say that their pack is much larger.

[bobpopo23]

cute dog

awesome name

[coyotebrown93]

I got this pack for christmas thanx to this review. it is much more updated than nutnfancy's. i luv this pack! great review on a great pack.

[GMperformance309]

nuntnfancy im gonna ask you for a knife check. right now. lol jk

[EvilEstacado]

hell yeah, that's exactly what i was looking for after i saw your backpacking tent vid. thanks nutnfacy

[AndrewXAnarchy]

Have your knife on your belt.

[KBARBRAT]

Good Review! Thanks for saving me time.

V/r,

Chris

[whitenite007]

So what does everyone think of Jansport gear? I'm trying to keep the costs of my gear down but has anyone had there packs fall apart on them?

[Cr0cket20]

I bought a small Jansport about 13 years ago. Used it through school, now it is my climbing bag. After 13 years still in great shape.

[whitenite007]

Lol I think the lighting is better after the main one starts smoking haha.

[pkray07]

the weight of a pack seems ridiculously heavier with an external frame than the internal frame. i too prefer and internal frame but for some it is different.

[tesatejp]

An external frame backpack is LESS heavy than an internal frame. My fancy internal backpack is pretty light at about 2.8kg. Still my 40 years old external aluminium frame pack of the same size weighs less than 1.8kg. That's more than 1kg off, and it is made of canvas, not light ripstop nylon. It is also much better to carry, it does not bulge, and your back is ventilated. What is development, really?

[screamingshadowaxeXD]

Dude those are kick ass guns! Do you hunt for fun? Suscribe me. My favorite gun that I use is an old fashion M-48A-1 rifle. It's my dad's but when we go deer hunting we use it. Tell me what ur guns are.

[Ggreenvideos]

Great review man. Very informative.

[grinninggnome]

Very nice review...I think these mfg. need to start giving you this stuff for free just for the advertising. You got me thinking about the external frame pack. I haven't used one for 24 years now and other than the ALICE pack for the service I haven't used or even seen anyone using one for years. This isn't much of a news flash I'm sure but I thought they were a thing of yester year till this view.

[knightwazhere]

no internal frame packs are alot better to me

[KennyIsNotDeadYet]

nice dog

[HelmerandRawlins]

Hahah 13:18 the dramatization reinactment of water bottle help from a buddy, nutnfancy you are a character I love it

[skatingtagger]

i have this pack i am only using it for philmont my top load will be around 55.

im thinkin it might be to big for me though

[ITheHeadlessMan]

sorry dude i know you said its your opinion but on later videos put in some good points for internal frame packs. you make it sound like internal frame packs suak. they really dont. again its opinion

[ITheHeadlessMan]

extremely cute dog. btw u got urself another sub

[lynusluver]

You're dog is so cute. Great videos, thanks for posting.

[LaneMaddox00]

i just got there day pack last week and i really like it !!  :D

[scargill8]

does anyone know where you can buy bags like this for people in the UK

[Futil3]

buy online

[WesMerc]

Great video. I think you should point out what someone would use a pack like this for as opposed to an internal frame.

[HelmerandRawlins]

Nutnfancy you have me pretty sold on external frame, I like your philosophy on this one bro

[88gunslinger88]

Good info, well done!

[OregonBackpacker]

do you guys now how much a super tioga costs

[cfmb4]

You sold me on this pack, Nutn. Just bought one from campmor.

[anarky4321]

one of the best review videos ive ever seen; great job mate

[gasdorf]

Hey NuT: how much weight can you load on that pack without hurting yourself walking a mile or soo?

[richOtyrant]

probally alot just because a mile realisticly isnt that long

[ihateyotube11]

I recently bought a super tioga, not very familiar with it yet. Can someone enlighten me to the purpose of the small aluminum U inside the main part of the pack? is it just to make it proportional when gear is in it? Can't figure out why it pivots and looks like it is supposed to be fastened. ???

[grapple69]

THANK YOU!!!!!

[IsolationIsolation]

Your dog is shiny =)

[jetfuel545]

Thanks Nuntnfancy for this review, I know a while back I mentioned backpacks and this series has been worth the wait.

I have always been a fastpacker and a minimalist, and a couple months back I picked up a Golite Quest, internal frame. Good pack for the POU, with a couple of exceptions.

After seeing the reviews you have done on backpacking I am seeing the light on going fully loaded. The Benefits are big. I can see myself this spring trying out your style.

Thanks again for everything, Jet

[iceman01232]

instead of useing two pads, you should look in to big agnes. i have 2 and they are awsome. i perfer the new insulated ones they are just that much better, and they are 2.5" thick too.

[sten1945]

awesome

[sogsailor]

Great Job,I might add some pointers:(1)use large garbage bag inside the pack and put everything inside the garbage bagged area. Everything will stay nice n dry in a bad down pour-especially food.(2)use bungee cords n extra bag full of bungees for whatever comes up.(3)para-cord extra length would be a good idea as well.(4)wrap that sleeping bag with your waterproof groundcloth.(5) First aid kit should be packed where it's best accessible and everyone should know where everyone's kit is packed!

[jeepnicc]

Awesome video Nutn! I've had my Kelty Radial Light XLT external frame pack for years now. If I remember correctly, it is just over 7000 cubes! Sounds too big for most trips, but I have found just the opposite to be true. On shorter trips of say, 3-4 days, after you load it, ya just start yankin' on cinch straps (it's got eight of 'em) and everything stays very put. I totally agree w/ you on the external pocket issue. A must for propper organization. Thanks again Nutn!!

[JERMBUGS]

I have a CFP-90 military pack (it's internal), and now I am kinda thinking I should have gone with an external frame pack. Do the MOLLE II frame military back packs work well, or do you think that I need to get an after market? I will still keep my CFP-90 because it seems to work alright, but mine is a knock off from the military version, it is made by Rothco. I don't like it because the shoulder straps meet to close together and choke the back of my neck.

[drewglynn]

LOL your backup light! Your the most prepared person i know of...lol

[gochip79]

@drewglynn I thought the same thing...totally awesome!

[Shadowlord4]

Lol lights

[irishguy80]

you could put a grommet in the center of the top flap and run some paracord from the frame to the watter bladder hook.

[PossiblePouchPete]

That's one contented dog.

Mine also have certain key words, can't even mention 'boots' , all hell breaks loose.

Great videos!

Pete.