I am against Stalinism and his policies but sometimes I think even his Russia was better than the Russia we see today. Poverty, crime, murder, drunks, prostitution.
Any Briton who believes this man to be other than a complete psychopath is directed to Tucker's Stalin: the Revolution from Above. Perhaps the real reason fro your Miltonian apologetica for this bastard is it helps obfuscate the fact two very unassuming Midwestern American patriots, Geo. F. Kennan and Harry S. Truman, understood the truth about this demon long before any of you who wonderful Oxonian manor born. Oh, and De Gaulle well understood him too -- to add insult to injury! The UK -- stil
"It cannot be said that the purge was not accompanied by grave mistakes. There were unfortunately more mistakes than might have been expected. Undoubtedly, we shall have no further need of resorting to the method of mass purges. Nevertheless, the purge of 1933-36 was unavoidable and its results, on the whole, were beneficial."
-Stalin(1939)
(J.V. Stalin. Works Vol. 14. London: Red Star Press Ltd. 1978. p. 401.)
The shot for cowardice incident was very sad. I consider it one of his darker incidents. It is estimated that about 100,000 Red Army soldiers were shot for deserting. I can tell you that few in the USSR, including the Supreme Soviet, the Central Committee, the Red Army, or the Politburo, cared about the deserters very much. I am sure that this reflects that most high ranking Soviet officials agreed with the policy.
For the famine(Holodomor), research a man named Lazar Kaganovich.
Many people don't really understand what Stalinism is. I only respect the man because of his political philosophies, otherwise I believe he was just a Machiavellian.
Stalinism states that there should be Socialism in One State, a Mutual Language, a single Soviet race, Collectivism, a strong Central Government, and Industrialization(which was Modernism by 1920s standards).
I believe in the same things, but I oppose Collectivism and a strong Central Government.
I also believe it is fair to compare people like Ronald Reagan to Stalin. If people critique Reagan like they do Stalin, they can easily find that Reagan's policies and actions cost at least 5-10 million deaths worldwide. People also don't talk about his international purge against Communists and Socialists.
Have you ever wondered why South America hates the USA, or why South America is dominated by Communist/Socialists?
I have discussed this topic before with other people, so I will send you a message with everything I wrote to them.
I acknowledge that many people died under Stalin's reign, but I only blame the Great Purge and the Military Purge on him, along with a few other cases.
A good book on this topic is called Another View of Stalin. This book was written by a man named Ludo Martens.
The Gulags were filled with the same types of murderers, rapist, anti-government activists, etc, as the USA. Perhaps the anti-Government portion was far larger in the USSR, but it is a fair comparison. The Gulags are far too blamed on Stalin, when the masterminds were the NKVD.
Anyway, I didn't intend to compare the USSR to the USA. I rather wanted to show how hypocritical Americans are.
If you knew anything about Stalin, you would know that he killed roughly 600,000-800,000.
@philchelt you are right. "Unintelligent" was most likely intended as an insult. Frustration overwhelms me when people make a conscious decision to ignore the atrocities of that man.
@eleminatus For reals! Can you imagine? That young man who adores Stalin doesn't have a clue. What if his family was murdered and he was sent to a concentration camp? How wonderful would Stalin be then?
@blueguitarblue there was recently a debate on one Russian news channel between supporters of new democratic and partially capitalistic Russia, and adherents to old communistic and socialistic values, headed by Stalin. Public voting was enabled. To my shock, people in favor of Stalin and his rule outvoted the democracy supporters with 1:3 ratio. This shows how uneducated and unintelligent young Russia is!
@eleminatus You have got to be kidding me? It's like Generation X in Germany not knowing about Hitler. I can understand the economic advantage to communism--though the philosophy makes me ill. So does capitalism. People don't learn from the past or each other it seems. Here in the USA, we're reaping the negative backlash to the Me-ism of capitalistic consumerism beginning in the 1950s until the early 1990s. And it's having a domino effect in the East. Ug!
I like how you Americans talk about the Gulags and how horrible they were. Yet,at the same time, America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. 25% of all people in prison in the world, are imprisoned in the USA. According to the International Centre for Prison Studies, King's College London. (% by population of significant countries) 1st USA- .743% 2nd Russia- .577% 27th Israel- .325% 47th Brazil .253% 53rd Iran .233% 61st Mexico .2% 99th UK .141% 117th China .12% 152nd Germany .88%
@havee3333333 Is that a per capita statistic? Because if its not, those stats are invalid for this argument. Second of all, lets not forget that in the States, the police ACTUALLY care to do their job and stop crime. I've been to all the other countries youve listed except for Iran and Israel, and I can say that in those places both the police presence and will to do things is so low, that they can not compare to the USA. Part those countries are controlled by other factors other than the state
The country with the highest total is China, with well over a million. But with their high population, that evens out to .12% of their population.
The thing that astonishes me about this is that the USA isn't supposed to be a big government(according to its constitution), but obviously with the massive debt, law enforcement, incarcerated population, America is far from a limited government.
You also admitted that the US is a police state, thanks.
@havee3333333 that doesn't necessarily make our country worse, it could just mean that we're harder on criminals. of course our drug laws are a bit out of date, but i imagine it to be much easier to prosecute abuse in america as opposed to russia.
Oh please, America is just as Authoritarian as any other nation. The minimal difference is that the USA has a Bill of Rights, which is continually being chipped apart by bureaucrats and other government criminals.
If America ever wants to recapture the podium for the world's freest, they will need to readopt libertarianism which made it so great to begin with.
Just because the USA has a Bill of Rights doesn't mean its free, since the ones endorsing your freedom are dead.
Man my Grandfather was put into a Gulag for almost 7 years. My great grandmother was put into a Gulag cause she was accused of being a spy by her neighbour. She stayed there for 10 years. Pretty horrific shit if you ask me.
@dreicemoney That's true that Stalin was homicidal, but you don't know him like those Russians do! He was a Georgian! Unless you're a Georigan who has to run a fricken empire that speaks a language that's his second language, you wouldn't understand him!
To me he is one of the greatest men without any morals at all! Sorry that's how I feel, I don't care! Russia calls the shots, not the west or America! I can't even call the shots!
Some Russians may liek to forget Marshal Stalin, but without his fanatical industrialism and technocratic policies, Russia would be far less powerful than it is today. Russians may have even not been able to hold off the 3rd Reich without his massive industrial revolution.
I want all the russians to answer this and by russians I mean true patriots who don't visit synagogue every saturday. Mr.Stalin said that jews were going to poison the water supply of USSR. He also said they were responsible for murdering several soviet officials. Makes sense when you consider what Irgun did.
Words. Meaningful words. Small talk. You understand nothing if you don't contextualize and dive into the time of the facts. Binoculars alone help nothing. Just one tip: the country had a total blocus around, no diplomatic ties with Europe, the so-called "civil war" was in fact a Western invasion and aggression...
PEOPLE, TRY Please to read ALTERNATIVE LITERATURE about STALIN! IT is very IMPORTANT because the PRICEwhich all PEOPLE in a WORLD will pay is very HIGH!HERE is theANTI-STALIN PROPAGANDA which has NOTHING to do with STALIN himself BUT it is the FIGHT for your FUTURE because STALIN gave a HOPE to the WORLD by founding the ALTERNATIVE COUNTRY-USSR which was MUCH MORE FAIR and ruled by the FOLK than the CAPITALISTIC of USA,UK that is why the WORLD MAFIA is afraid that PEOPLE WILL one day WAKE UP!
Brilliant film and analysis. I was very pleased to see that Mr Effemov is still alive (or was when the film was made). Mr Glaser still has a strong South African accept despite the 70+ years since leaving!
@seonidh when it comes to having a leader of a nation judging them depends on the nations goals yes stalin was worse than hitler cause he personally killed (with his signature) millions of russians and made millions more suffer but he did make his country great through military power and put russia on the map as a global power so as nation people need to decide what is more important perception of power abroad or domestic peace and happiness
@chokoboy5578 domestic peace as power at the expense of killing millions of your own people is too high a price having your people living ontheir knees while you lord it on an international stage is the way of the dictatorship. These societies fade away as the people rise up and remove those in power.
@seonidh actually they werent his people stalin wasnt russian he was georgian also again it depends on the goals of the nation often to make history many people must die theres a price to greatness and you have to decide if you are willing to pay that price and the russians at that time were
@chokoboy5578 yes I know stalin was Georgian not Russian. Also the path to greatness does not have to kill people or intentionally kill. Ghandi, Martin Luther King are two men with great power or respect and never killed. The motives of the CCP to kill was based on tyranical control. Also the system was on its knees by the early 90s so the country was far from great it bluffed the USA. Russians didnt decide to pay a price in blood, tyrants and maniacs in the polit beauro maintained a hard line.
@seonidh well when i said that i didnt mean you have to kill to be great but for the most part people must die honestly i dont know much about ghandi but i do about MLK and yes he didnt kill but many people (blacks even whites) had to die many killed by lynchings shootings and in other fashions and i am greatful for that because if those events didnt happen MLK would not have advanced the progression of blacks and he would not have been worth mentioning in the history books
@seonidh also with everything comes a price especially when it comes to the progression of a particular people and rarely comes with out a form of suffering which often manifest itself in the loss of life the question is are the people willing to pay that price and if they are then why not pay it if it means a better tommorow
@chokoboy5578 only a better tomorrow for those in power while ordinary people suffer. Remove everything you say about russia here and replace it with Nazi Germany. Sound as good a cause as what you say?
@seonidh do you listen at all i keep saying if the people decide they are willing to pay that price than why not if you want to buy an item with your money you decide if you want to pay the particular price and if you do you buy it if you think its to much then you dont simple
@chokoboy5578 "you dont simple" what the hell does that mean? You say people are willing to pay a price, well willingness is a form of consent and that was not the option to those butchered by Stalin, the Soviet system and the CCP. Try telling that also to the Czechs, Poles, Romanians also interred and you'll see your comments of so-called greatness are assinine. Frankly if you cant see he was a butcher then you're in denial its that simple.
@seonidh wow you are ignoring half of what i type i said from the beginning that stalin was even worse than hitler but just because killing people in part help make the soviet union along with other empires doesnt mean its not horrible and the people that do it are butchers but wheather you like it or not stalin killed for a purpose wheater you think its good or bad its still a purpose
@seonidh also the people that were apart of the soviet union were for the regime mostly if they werent the october revolution would have never happend and the czar would still be in power because all revolutions need the masses to be on there size or else the present regime would crush the revolt wheather you agree or not those things are historical fact
@chokoboy5578 I think most people would have been opposed to the Tsar and the new regime had a certain level of popularity - if not it would not have won the civil war. Nonetheless it lost that popularity and Stalin became far more brutal than the Tsars had ever been.
@alanheath kinda true but they mostly lost popularity in the later years when the soviet people became more and more exposed to the life of there western enemys and relized that the soviet system (atleast the way russia did it) was not effective
@seonidh well i guess you see it my way sense you have not responded now you finally understand and got it through your thick skull (no offense) so you get it atleast some people were for the regime and were willing to pay the price or honestly were not aware but none the less stalin was a mass murderer on an unpresidented scale and made many people suffer but atleast the end result made his nation great and a world power and now you finally get that
Look at all of those old people; products of Soviet brainwashing. Much like the Western children on youtube who pretend to be socialist revolutionaries.
@preemptivestrike20 Also notice the insecurity of Russians. The statue of Stalin at 4:30 is larger than Churchill and Roosevelt, when in reality Stalin was much smaller than either one of them. Russians do everything to modify history to preserve their 'strongman' image.
Can some of you russians explain why Stalin had such deep hatred towards the chinese. I mean Mao hated americans so why not brotherly love. Stalin refused to help Mao in the civil war. Soviet leaders after Stalin continued this hostily unfriendly policy and attitude towards China.
maybe Stalin didnt like competition. he installed his papet governments th. the Europe. brotherly love ? idk about that. its more like about Power not love.
I think there was some kind of conflict around 1920, that made stalin look like fool. he didnt like that much either
Not all jews though. He was going to take care of rest of them but mysteriously died. Russia is still less aggressive world power than China and America though.
These fools are sad because socialism is not there to take care of their sorry asses anymore. OMG, we've got to fend for ourselves?! Weaklings that never, ever, learned how to be responsible for their own upkeep, should be pitied, but are detestable for supporting a sadist. Socialism ruins generations to come and stands in stark contrast to a muscular compassionate capitalism offering hope and individual initiative. Survival of the fittest? Communism dies because it's weak.
@chickenwretch Yeah, that's why the country must have been destroyed isn't it? Hitler thought other races were WEAK, and destroyed millions of people. Survival of the fittest. That's your anglo-saxon logic is coming from the deepness of ages. Socialism had flaws but it was betrayal of our own goverment. Think to youself if your goverment will terminate the USA for separating on independent states without your permission and will.
@Virtuon777" Survival of the fittest " I referred to sarcastically, not a Anglo Saxon notion but a Marxist quip apeing Darwin, who btw, couldn't prove his own theory. Much in keeping with socialisms own inadequicies and inconsistencies, socialist apologists could only dream of remaining cohesive, post American Civil War. Constitutional order and veracity are now being destroyed by the very socialists that wrap themselves in the Constitution; America is too corrupt and effeminate to halt this.
@chickenwretch Excuse me, sir, but it seems you do not qualify to speak about the evolution theory -which has nothing to do with socialism by the way- because you are not really informed about the subject. The evolution theory applies to a race which developes different sets of genes to adapt to the environment over a great period of time. However, Virtuon777 talks about the theory which has been put forward by Adam Smith where he pathetically bitches about english superiority over other people.
@TheBlindPowerslave Pardon the hell out of me, but your self-appointed qualifications as to who or what, is formatted here on YT, is rubbish. Secondly, Marxist theory and Darwinianism have historically and academically always been linked, thus "evolutionary" process an integral discipline in all communist countries. A shameful, irrational arrogance has also mandated evolution as fact, much like the medieval scholastics superstition and inflexable dogma, have blinded generations.
@chickenwretch "Marxist theory and darwinism (not darwinianism ffs) have historically and academically always been linked" Well fuck me how did I miss that. What has been done in Socialist countries so far -or at least countries that identified themselves as socialists- is STATE ATHEISM. Marx didn't even talk about socialism that much. In his most famous book 99% of the time he criticized capitalism. Your accusation is invalid. You compared science to medieval dogma... Dude go die, seriously.
@TheBlindPowerslave So what's your point, or can't you connect the dots? Are you defending a failed archaic system or just your own ignorance? What you call "science" is an unproven, childish faith in unsupportable presuppositions based on a belief and not evidence. You're shy a few decades of data and have yet to distinguish fact from theory, not to mention an undiscerning oaf that is unfit to be entrusted with independent thinking. Really, stop believing what you conclude when you get high.
@chickenwretch So why don't you trash your computer, leave the city and continue your life in a cave? Since you reject science that's the way you should take. If not, then accept the facts and benefit from what human kind can achieve with science.
"What you call "science" is an unproven, childish faith in unsupportable presuppositions based on a belief and not evidence." That's the definition of religion not science you stupid fuck. And your english sucks.
@TheBlindPowerslave So 20 years of nose-picking pot-smoking assumptions have distracted your comprehension to that of an imbecile? Stay focused Smokey. Science isn't absurd but evolutionary theory is. Natural selection is verifiable but endless millions of years for all to evolve is simply magical, like the mystery tour you go on every time you attempt to reason. Big boy Marxist huh? You're a little behind the times aren't you. Modern science was founded in a Christian milieu and abandoned.
@chickenwretch Contradiction: "Evolution theory is absurd not science.", "Natural selection is verifiable but endless millions of years for all to evolve is simply magical", "Modern science was founded in a Christian milieu and abandoned"...
Can you write a single paragraph without contradicting yourself and without demonstrating how to suck at english grammer?
@TheBlindPowerslave You mean grammar? Check your spelling moron. Easy to criticize what you don't agree with, now state your case. Expound on your contradiction accusation, otherwise go suck Lenin off. Ever think of a substitute for your all-embracing "suck"? Come on Mr. Marx, let's see your proof. Publicly schooled rhetoric doesn't cut it. Learn first then opine.
@chickenwretch Evolution theory IS science which means if you reject it you also reject science. And if you want to prove it wrong then you will have to do it by scientific methods. In both cases your argument is a contradiction. You can't say "I don't blieve in evolution but I blieve in science". This is absurd.
@TheBlindPowerslave What makes it science, the burden of proof is on those espousing this nonsense. Arbitrary pronouncements are worthless. Demonstrate how anyone knows anything when something came from nothing, and then exploded in manifest intricacy. Absurd.
@chickenwretch Evolution theory is based on many scientific evidence and there is not a single evidence that supports that the theory is wrong. You can expand it but you cannot dismiss it. This is a theory and a theory means the best way to explain something in science which means this may not be completely true but this is the best answer we have for now UNLIKE a fucking god spawning an entire race. God is magical, not science.
@TheBlindPowerslave Your apriori "evidence" is best explained by transcedence. What you reject out of hand in a naturalistic form you clearly embrace on a level that you say is non-existant. You reject faith put inference it at every turn.
@chickenwretch "Modern science was founded in a Christian milieu and abandoned." This a fucking stupid one. If it was abandoned where the fuck does our scientific knowledge comes from? I mean I don't even understand what the fuck did you mean with that. This is a fucking contradiction.
@TheBlindPowerslave You obviously know nothing of historical context, that's on you, study up. Obfuscation is a cop out, not an intellectual issue but clearly a moral one.
@TheBlindPowerslave Put the bong down and follow; Christianity was abandoned. Newton, Copernicus, Gallileo, etc. were all from a Christian context. A rational God created man with a rational brain to discover an orderly universe. Modern interpretation of this statement is usually loaded with moral overtones, pro or con. What's hardest to believe is that we're here in the first place; nihilism easier to fathom.
@chickenwretch So you think god just magically put us here for some reason that we don't know? I think we are done here. Thank you for the conversation though.
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@admoonhermiz he was hero then and he is hero now. Why? People trusted him, he was a symbol, as a hope for better future for better life. And he was a creator, creator of great land, land, that was able to crush might nazy army, land that created atomic bomb, land that launched a human in space. And he builded land, where no existed
such kapitalism thing such social unequality and unjustice...
@admoonhermiz Of course people that trusted him knew nothing about his crimes... But land were builded, and many people were happy...
But lets see what we have now, when we know it. Has became our life better? In many ways, what we see, only unjustice - it is everywhere, in our life. The land, that was in past great, now is dieng. And it is not amazing, that people remember Stalin as a hero...
Pfff, the arguments fail here just as this discussion under me. You guys are seriously discussing about Stalin on YouTube? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't noticed it was a political forum!!
both lenin & stalin via their secret police ruined russian culture and its values that had been cherished for centuries.
methodically they instilled their new faith into russian people via the fear and conformity;
scripts for schools / unis / factories etc . had been importantly changed that would suit stalin's cunning and selfish itch. great stalin?? then why so many russian people had lost their lives comparing to german's? he had always had a bigger fish in his mind disdaining the cost.
Anti Stalin propaganda continues long after the man's death. So many lies invented to blacken the man. Stalin was hero and will remain a hero in people's memory.
Glória e reconhecimento ao povo soviético e ao seu líder Estaline pelas conquistas sociais, políticas e científicas, assim como pela destruição da hidra nazista.
Do you dare to speak bad about the country i was born in?If you dare,visit an ex-USSR country named Latvia,and find me.Stalin wasn't killing people himself.They deserved it.They were the deserters of motherland,and dishonest people.Stalin was a good man and i Admire Joseph Vessarionovich Dzhugashvili(Stalin) As the greatest leader of the greatest Union of nations and relegions,the Soviet Union of Comunistic Countries.
Yes, we dare to speak bad about country that you weren't born in, Your profile says you are 16 years old so at the time when you were born soviet union didn't exist anymore. You should see LATVIAN made documentary "soviet story". I hope it opens up your views about "how good man" stalin was.
@MustaSurma666 One death is a tragedy one meillion is a statistic is not a quote of stalin.
he did kill of course, noone says that he didnt kill...he did order the death of 600 000 people, most during the great war or the years leading to it...that was a hard time for a single socialist country surrounded by imperialist forces.
as for the imprisionment in the gulags...the total number never exceeded 2.5 million...USA has more prisioners this day...
@Rabican030 Bullshit! My Grandfather was arrested in 1946. Never found out what for. Never was charged with anything, never mind tried or convicted of anything. Never found out what happened to him. KGB simply lost track of him somewhere in Gulag. They couldn't even count ALL the prisoners they had. Their bookkeeping system couldn't cope with volume of people in entire Gulag.
USA is just as bad as Soviet union back then. And don't get me wrong, Im only against the leaders of the Soviet union (as im agains the leaders of other countries aswell) becose power corrupts, and absolute power corruptes absolutely. Stalin was a mass murderer and i don't think we ever gonna get the true numbers of his terrors victims. Communism itself is not bad (pursuing equality), But it can't be done by humans. We are greedy bastards with no exceptions.
@MustaSurma666 I am almost agree with you about communism. But STALIN was exactly not corrupted and was caring about his people. He was an exception in the government structure. He never killed millions of people. Yoa are brainwashed by ANTI-STALIN propaganda.When he died in his posessions were found 3 jackets and trousers, and couple of shoes, one of them were new. It is unbelievable, I know, but it is true!
I am brainswashed by propaganda? Actually it just might be other way around, There are plenty of proofs about Stalins crimes, Even some russian historians can't deny it. Only thing is, They don't dare to speak about it in public. Besides, I bet there's not many people who could recognize the war crimes their nation did. My nation did crimes against soviets, and soviets did against us and every other nation they had war with. (Mass rapes in Berlin, Katyn, Holodomor etc)
@MustaSurma666 Give demographical data that confirms massive loss of life , not some dissidents fairy tales. 10 million , 20 million , 40 million , 60 million ..... make up your mind.
Mass rapes in Berlin wow....... it would not have been a crime if we executed half of the German population. Even the Germans prayed that if we did 1/10 of what they did in the USSR none of them would have been left alive.
Im not a book that can be read about all the historical facts in the world, Go to a library and read about those that i meantioned in my earlier comment. And besides books, Talk with some old people who lived back then, They are usually more that ready to tell us what happened. And by the way, Even if germans did their crimes in bigger scale, It doesn't give you the right to search vengeance by killing and raping their civillians. Bring justice to only those who are to blame.
@MustaSurma666 Black book of Communism ? Gulag Archipelago? Read them , i find them the same as Alice in the Wonderland. You go talk to some old people who lived then i have done my part and i know the truth. You go try and stop an army that saw their country destroyed , that saw endless lines of hanged civilians, that saw city after city destroyed or starved to death from killing every single German they saw. The rape was a merciful act.
i am well aware of what happened during the operation barbarossa. I know about german war crimes and i think you did the right thing by killing them to the last man. There can be no justification to what they did to you. But i still think that it doesn't give you the right to punish innocents. It's like killing a murderers family becose the murderer was bad, Even if the family members of the murderer couldn't do anything to help his victims.
Yes i know that those quotes wasn't his own invented, But the fact that he believed in them showes already what kind of man he was. And i know that the great patriotic war (as you russians call it) wasn't just like any other war. It was the most horrible thing that man has ever done, Becose of the cruelty that took its place in the hearts of those who fought it. And i hope that no nation will have to face such destruction never again.
@MustaSurma666 There is no proof about Stalin crimes. You should read the books about those times first and try to understand whyt was going on there. It was the time after the civil war, everything was destroyed and brought into chaos. In such situation , the crimes can not be controlled. The cleaning which happened was launched by Trotzky followers who were then punished for this by Stalin. It was the 5th coloumn which was detsroyed by Stalin, you mean thisprobably.
@MustaSurma666 But every person was prosecuted in a frame of the Soviet law, the most moral at those times and even now. About KATYN- it was the crime made by NATZI, no government prosecution was done by Russia except USSR, only satements by betrayer Gorbachev, Elzin;Rapes in Berlin, it is a agin a fairy tail weaved y WESTERN PROPAGANDA, it was absolutely impossible within the strict SOVIET laws and discipline,the people could have been shot for this or brought into prison.
If Katyn was made by nazis, Then why on earth did Russian state duma admitted that it was planned by stalin and carried out by NKVD? And there are still women in berlin that remember what soviet soldiers did to them, Although nearly half of them committed suicide after raping. There's even a movie about it, Basing on a book written by Marta Hillers, Who was among those raped women.
@MustaSurma666 Because they are lying for some reasons, the fact is that there was no official prosecution of KATYN'.. The duma is lobbying the western interests, it is the 5th COLOUMN who is trying to recut the world map made after th2nd WW.Gorbachev did it because he was a betrayer of USSR. The were a lot of bookswhich were sponsored by rockefeller, Moore and so on but they have nothing to do with the reality. If some women were raped then it does not mean that the whole army raped them !!
@MustaSurma666 As somebody had written , rapes was a mercy act compared to the burning, torture and so on.. Imagine that your sister was raped by NATZI officer then it is possible that you would try to do that to the german women. It is only a hypohesis....Some cases are not excluded but this is only an exclusion !! I am sure that guys from FINNLAND could rape too.The soviet culture was great , it was highly moral. You'd better talk about the soviet solder who rescued the small german girl !!?
You are entitled to your opinion but im still not changing mine. Have you ever been raped? Do you understand what mental process those women had to go through after they got raped? If someone would rape my sister i would kill him and that's it. I would not rape his sister becose she wasn't the one to be held responsible. And yes i belive that some finnish soldiers raped soviet women too and i think that they deserve to die too.
@MustaSurma666 You are entitled to your opinion as well. I mean it is a terrific act for any woman! If this happened then the guys must be punished for this and they were. These crimes can not be excluded but it does NOT mean that it was the policy of USSR!! USSR liberated EUROPE from NAZIS and payed >25 millions of lives for this!! The highes price which can be paid for the peace !! Do not talk about this bullshit please any more! It is the typical IMPERIALISTIC PROPAGANDA !
Chill out will you? Im not getting my information from propaganda posters. I actually read stuff and belive it only if i find convincing evidence. I know that red army had it's policy about how to act and what kind of image to give themselves in occupied countries, But the supervising of these rules often failed. It's true that soviets drived nazis out but they only brought their own dictator in place. If soviets liberated them, then why didn't they leave after liberation?
@MustaSurma666 Good, that you verify the stuff you read! No, the heroitic acts which the soviet soldiers made are incompatible with what you are saying ! The soldiers were dreaming to come back home as soon as possible to their families and rebuild the destroyed houses, schools, hospitals! Which dictator? They liberated the Europe! STALIN said: The Hitlers come and go but the german volk stays forever, they must be together and neutral!.
What western countries wanted was to eradicate national socialism from amongst the people, They didn't want to make the same mistake they made after 1WW, So ever major nation of the allied forces got their piece of berlin to watch over. And it was the soviets who builded up the berlin wall, Not western allies.
@MustaSurma666 the key point is not about the wall as a cement building it is about the devision of Germany b/w USA and USSR although STALIN was AGAINST this division but the wetsern block blocked this. They wanted to devide Germany to more than 2 parts !!! I am repeating : The wetsern block is still there and Russia is NOT!!!
Of course the country was divided, Allies in the west knew that stalin would not leave from Germany and they didn't want to give all of it to him, So they occupied the west, Cold war began etc.. What do you mean with "western block"? I know there are some american bases there as the country has made a deal with United States. Similar kind of bases are made in other countries aswell, Like in Japan.
@MustaSurma666 I am sorry there is no logics in your word ! From your words follows : Stalin then knew too that the western countries will not leave and occupied the east part! So, what is the problem then !? I am repeating: STALIN said: "The Germany must remain as a whole and be neutral !!!" He pushed this but the western countries blocked this !!! What is not clear to you here ??No, they did not make a deal they just gave a hint to the Germany that they should do what Americans are suggesting!
Yes stalin knew western countries would not leave and west knew stalin was not gonna leave, And neither wanted to give all of germany to other. So naturally, The country was divided. That's what i've tried to say... And yes germans made a deal with the U.S. They also are member of nato, Which too explains alot. U.S. has military bases in coutries like: Germany, Bulgaria, Netherlands, Spain, Japan, Australia etc.
@MustaSurma666 NO, YOU DO NOT understand ! The country LEADERS DO NOT throw their words away in such world meetings. I repeat STALIN was for a UNITED and NEUTRAL GERMANY ! What if the western countries would have said : "Yes, it is the great idea Lets' let them be as a one neutral country!" Then STALIN would have lost his EAST Part, according to your logics. The german PARLAMENT is under USA. It isthe well known fact. Why ?Because their army is there and they do everything USA tells them to do!
Stalin for neutral germany my ass.. If he would have been, He would have moved his troops back to Russia out of Germany and out of baltia. If Stalin would have backed down, So would have western allies, But the 2 million soviet soldiers in east europe, made them nervous about the future, So of course they stayed. And saying that Germany is under USA is same thing as saying Russia is Sri Lanka's bitch. Both are independent nations.
@MustaSurma666 He could not move because the western countries did not want to let Germany be neutral and occupied the western part,that is why he had to play their game in order not to let them to take their positions in Germany!The same number of western soldiers were there. It should be clear now, I guess !! The fact that Germany is under Americans is well known. I have a lot of friends there, that is what tehy say,and if you look at their parties CDU/FDP they are all pro-american parties !!
Stalin himself agreed with western allies in Yalta that Germany would be divided into occupied zones, So why you keep repeating yourself about how stalin was for neutral Germany? If he wasn't, then why on earth did he agree with western allies? And saying that soviets had same amount of soldiers as U.S. in Germany is not true. U.S. had about 125,000 soldiers and soviets had 300,000 soldiers in Germany. And please, Give me some proof about Germans being under U.S. goverment.
@MustaSurma666 STALIN had to accept this because he was not alone there: there were USA, UK and some european countries behind them. Number of voices was not enough. He had to accept this. USSR could not afford a NEW WAR because the country was destroyed to the grounds. Immediately after the 2nd WW after the Churchill speech they started the cold war and there was a plan in early 50th to bombard USSR with the nuclear WEAPONS ! That's why STALIN gave an order to work on a nuclear Weapon !
Then maybe he should have kept his head instead of just to nod to everything western allies said. Everyone agreed about the conditions of the yalta conference, So now it's too late to cry about the results. Germany got divided, But now they are united. The end. And where have you found any proof that there was a plan to bomb USSR with nuclear weapons in early 50's?
@MustaSurma666 I am repeating : STALIN could not afford a NEW WAR with the Western countries that is why he had to accept theit decision !! Germany is united but they are STILL NOT INDEPENDENT !! About the bombarding of 200 USSR major cities with the neuclear Weapons: It is the well known fact. It had started with TRUMAN. You should do some reasearch.
Stalin could not afford new war eh..? Cold war says otherwise. Soviet union used more money to military than ever. Building nuclear weapons is not free, Not to mention about re-arming all of the soviet army. (developing new weapons, mass produce them etc.) No matter how you hate it, Germany is independent. They have their own flag, Language, borbers and goverment chosen by fair election. You with you "well know fact's", Not giving a damn evidence.
@MustaSurma666 WAR means that there are 2 or more struggling sides. So, USSR was spneding only 10 % of the Budget on the military sphere. EVven if USSR was so armed, USSR never attacked any peaceful country in comparison with USA who detsroyed IRAK, VIETNAM and so on.. I never told that I hate Germany's Independence, it is you who writes this. I have a lot of friends in Germany. There are a lot of Left- Germans who have Nostalgie about DDR.
Soviet union's official defence bubget in cold war was about 15-17% rising 4 to 7 % per year (though U.S. estimated that real numbers could be even twice as much). After USSR collapsed the defence bubget plunged to 2.7 %. USSR never attacked a peaceful country...? You are forgetting something here.. Besides, There are brainwashed leftist's all over the world. Germany or Russia are not the only countries.
@MustaSurma666 "U.S. estimated ..."? U.S. published so many disinformation books that you should not refer to them !! It is you who "discovers" something new about USSR !! USSR NEVER ATTACKED ANY COUNTRY !!USSR was HELPING a lot other developing COUNTRIES who owe a lot to USSR: atomic, hydro- stations, hospitals, a great number of educated people who paid NOTHING for their education and were getting scholarships, Industrial factories, NEW technologies, EVERYTHING just for FREE! !
And like i said: "U.S. estimated", It does not mean it's fact carved in the stone, It was just an estimation, And should be react as such. And USSR did attack atleast one country. My country, Finland. Have you ever heard about winterwar? And no, USSR wasn't helping anyone, Atleast not in eastern europe. Look at them now, and compare them to countries that did not fall under USSR. Finland is in top 5 of best countries of the world, And Russia is not even in top 100..
@MustaSurma666 "In top 5-100 whatever" judging which criteria? Does Finland have nuclear armory? Weighty word in Security Council? Big territory?
May I recall how the US and theirs satellites are living so well (on top) comparing to Russia and so on? About Iraq, about Levan? Why they canned they own resources and consuming developing countries? Don't you understand that world is changing?
Do you understand that wealth of a nation is not measured by it's territorys or militarys size, But in the wealthfare of it's people's. (check legatum prosperity index) And again you started to talk about U.S., You have somekind of need to make them look worse than Russia in other people's eyes? Atleast they are doing better than Russia.
@MustaSurma666 "wealth of a nation is not measured by it's territorys or militarys size" — In the mind of the elfs it is so. In real world it's just a bit else.
"You have somekind of need to make them look worse than Russia in other people's eyes? Atleast they are doing better than Russia." — I don't need "to make them look". I guess people know themselves how good they look NOW.
Oh i have seen how "good" Russia looks, And i wish i don't ever have to visit there anymore. "In the mind of the elfs it is so. In real world it's just a bit else." How so? If you are not about to start wars with other countries then why put military expences before better education and healthcare?
@MustaSurma666 Because onetimes some bustard like Sarkozi or Hitler have decided "Why do not kill you and your people and put the country into chaos and anarchy?" The main rule of this world always been "Who's strong, he's right". World is changing. Powerful countries and old-Europe don't want if the developing countries become as strong and wealth as they are. Just think to youself if China declare "we want live as well as US, we want two house
I am against Stalinism and his policies but sometimes I think even his Russia was better than the Russia we see today. Poverty, crime, murder, drunks, prostitution.
Kommunist93 1 week ago
@Kommunist93
How are drunks or prostitution bad? Unless you're a moralist you see it as problem. Oh and only 13% of Russians live under poverty line. (USA 15.5%)
D3adtrap 1 week ago
"killing tens of millions of people" LOL
Why tens? Hundreds and hundreds and thousands of millions innocent people :D
read the f..ng manual (real statistics)
YengStvol 2 weeks ago
People need a hero and propagandas always work in every country. Stalin is a lot worse than Hitler I think :(
nurz33 2 weeks ago
we all wait you ТОВАРИЩ Сталин !!!
TheSylq 4 weeks ago
Any Briton who believes this man to be other than a complete psychopath is directed to Tucker's Stalin: the Revolution from Above. Perhaps the real reason fro your Miltonian apologetica for this bastard is it helps obfuscate the fact two very unassuming Midwestern American patriots, Geo. F. Kennan and Harry S. Truman, understood the truth about this demon long before any of you who wonderful Oxonian manor born. Oh, and De Gaulle well understood him too -- to add insult to injury! The UK -- stil
flagascaro 1 month ago
''tens of millions of people''
yet the soviet archives that were recently made public shows otherwise
''he turned russia into a giant concentration camp''
wrong, concentration camps were created to kill undesirables, Gulags however were simply very strict labour camps
many survived the gulags..not saying they came out unscathed but they survived
they were mistreated, and stripped of their rights
but they were not murdered
0elmir0 2 months ago
"It cannot be said that the purge was not accompanied by grave mistakes. There were unfortunately more mistakes than might have been expected. Undoubtedly, we shall have no further need of resorting to the method of mass purges. Nevertheless, the purge of 1933-36 was unavoidable and its results, on the whole, were beneficial."
-Stalin(1939)
(J.V. Stalin. Works Vol. 14. London: Red Star Press Ltd. 1978. p. 401.)
havee3333333 2 months ago
@philchelt
There is a forum called RevLeft, and on there you can probably find any information you need to know about Stalin and Communism.
It is also a nice place to share views.
havee3333333 2 months ago
@philchelt
The shot for cowardice incident was very sad. I consider it one of his darker incidents. It is estimated that about 100,000 Red Army soldiers were shot for deserting. I can tell you that few in the USSR, including the Supreme Soviet, the Central Committee, the Red Army, or the Politburo, cared about the deserters very much. I am sure that this reflects that most high ranking Soviet officials agreed with the policy.
For the famine(Holodomor), research a man named Lazar Kaganovich.
havee3333333 2 months ago
@philchelt
Many people don't really understand what Stalinism is. I only respect the man because of his political philosophies, otherwise I believe he was just a Machiavellian.
Stalinism states that there should be Socialism in One State, a Mutual Language, a single Soviet race, Collectivism, a strong Central Government, and Industrialization(which was Modernism by 1920s standards).
I believe in the same things, but I oppose Collectivism and a strong Central Government.
havee3333333 2 months ago
When I said that South America is dominated by Communist/Socialists, I meant to say that they dominate politically.
havee3333333 2 months ago
@Phil
I also believe it is fair to compare people like Ronald Reagan to Stalin. If people critique Reagan like they do Stalin, they can easily find that Reagan's policies and actions cost at least 5-10 million deaths worldwide. People also don't talk about his international purge against Communists and Socialists.
Have you ever wondered why South America hates the USA, or why South America is dominated by Communist/Socialists?
havee3333333 2 months ago
@philchelt
I have discussed this topic before with other people, so I will send you a message with everything I wrote to them.
I acknowledge that many people died under Stalin's reign, but I only blame the Great Purge and the Military Purge on him, along with a few other cases.
A good book on this topic is called Another View of Stalin. This book was written by a man named Ludo Martens.
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havee3333333 2 months ago
@philchelt
The Gulags were filled with the same types of murderers, rapist, anti-government activists, etc, as the USA. Perhaps the anti-Government portion was far larger in the USSR, but it is a fair comparison. The Gulags are far too blamed on Stalin, when the masterminds were the NKVD.
Anyway, I didn't intend to compare the USSR to the USA. I rather wanted to show how hypocritical Americans are.
If you knew anything about Stalin, you would know that he killed roughly 600,000-800,000.
havee3333333 2 months ago
@philchelt you are right. "Unintelligent" was most likely intended as an insult. Frustration overwhelms me when people make a conscious decision to ignore the atrocities of that man.
eleminatus 2 months ago
Stalin annihilated millions of his own people, yet some idiots want him to come back! Talk about brain deficiency.
eleminatus 2 months ago
@eleminatus For reals! Can you imagine? That young man who adores Stalin doesn't have a clue. What if his family was murdered and he was sent to a concentration camp? How wonderful would Stalin be then?
blueguitarblue 2 months ago
@blueguitarblue there was recently a debate on one Russian news channel between supporters of new democratic and partially capitalistic Russia, and adherents to old communistic and socialistic values, headed by Stalin. Public voting was enabled. To my shock, people in favor of Stalin and his rule outvoted the democracy supporters with 1:3 ratio. This shows how uneducated and unintelligent young Russia is!
eleminatus 2 months ago
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resist4resist 2 months ago
@eleminatus You have got to be kidding me? It's like Generation X in Germany not knowing about Hitler. I can understand the economic advantage to communism--though the philosophy makes me ill. So does capitalism. People don't learn from the past or each other it seems. Here in the USA, we're reaping the negative backlash to the Me-ism of capitalistic consumerism beginning in the 1950s until the early 1990s. And it's having a domino effect in the East. Ug!
blueguitarblue 2 months ago
In Soviet Russia, movie play you
baloons4satanists 3 months ago
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@havee3333333 Is that a per capita statistic? Because if its not, those stats are invalid for this argument. Second of all, lets not forget that in the States, the police ACTUALLY care to do their job and stop crime. I've been to all the other countries youve listed except for Iran and Israel, and I can say that in those places both the police presence and will to do things is so low, that they can not compare to the USA. Part those countries are controlled by other factors other than the state
lakers6902 3 months ago
@Lakers
Yes, those are per capita statistics.
The country with the highest total is China, with well over a million. But with their high population, that evens out to .12% of their population.
The thing that astonishes me about this is that the USA isn't supposed to be a big government(according to its constitution), but obviously with the massive debt, law enforcement, incarcerated population, America is far from a limited government.
You also admitted that the US is a police state, thanks.
havee3333333 3 months ago
@havee3333333 that doesn't necessarily make our country worse, it could just mean that we're harder on criminals. of course our drug laws are a bit out of date, but i imagine it to be much easier to prosecute abuse in america as opposed to russia.
lunaelarvae 1 month ago
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@lunaela
Oh please, America is just as Authoritarian as any other nation. The minimal difference is that the USA has a Bill of Rights, which is continually being chipped apart by bureaucrats and other government criminals.
If America ever wants to recapture the podium for the world's freest, they will need to readopt libertarianism which made it so great to begin with.
Just because the USA has a Bill of Rights doesn't mean its free, since the ones endorsing your freedom are dead.
havee3333333 1 month ago
@havee3333333 75% of the people in American jails are from other countries.
TH7596 3 weeks ago
@TH7596 Every American is basicly from another country.
BadassBigBoss 2 weeks ago
@BadassBigBoss I'm talking about illegal immigrants from Asia, South America and Eastern Europe.
TH7596 2 weeks ago
@TH7596 People who killed the natives and stole their land can hardly be qualified as legal themselves.
BadassBigBoss 1 week ago
Turn on closed captioning (audio transcribe) at 6:05
DeLorean4 4 months ago
Man my Grandfather was put into a Gulag for almost 7 years. My great grandmother was put into a Gulag cause she was accused of being a spy by her neighbour. She stayed there for 10 years. Pretty horrific shit if you ask me.
artem2510 4 months ago
STOP DISCUSSING RUSSIA. YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE OVER YOUR BORDER
dangar45 4 months ago
If you haven't lived during those times and especially if you never lived in Russia you really have fuck all to say.
qaziomo91 5 months ago
There are a lot of dumbass russians,Stalin was a brutal homicidal dictator
dreicemoney 5 months ago
@dreicemoney That's true that Stalin was homicidal, but you don't know him like those Russians do! He was a Georgian! Unless you're a Georigan who has to run a fricken empire that speaks a language that's his second language, you wouldn't understand him!
To me he is one of the greatest men without any morals at all! Sorry that's how I feel, I don't care! Russia calls the shots, not the west or America! I can't even call the shots!
mamc1986 4 months ago
Some Russians may liek to forget Marshal Stalin, but without his fanatical industrialism and technocratic policies, Russia would be far less powerful than it is today. Russians may have even not been able to hold off the 3rd Reich without his massive industrial revolution.
PrimeConsciousness 5 months ago
I want all the russians to answer this and by russians I mean true patriots who don't visit synagogue every saturday. Mr.Stalin said that jews were going to poison the water supply of USSR. He also said they were responsible for murdering several soviet officials. Makes sense when you consider what Irgun did.
BENNYSIEGEL90 5 months ago
Words. Meaningful words. Small talk. You understand nothing if you don't contextualize and dive into the time of the facts. Binoculars alone help nothing. Just one tip: the country had a total blocus around, no diplomatic ties with Europe, the so-called "civil war" was in fact a Western invasion and aggression...
MrCarlosRoso 5 months ago
PEOPLE, TRY Please to read ALTERNATIVE LITERATURE about STALIN! IT is very IMPORTANT because the PRICEwhich all PEOPLE in a WORLD will pay is very HIGH!HERE is theANTI-STALIN PROPAGANDA which has NOTHING to do with STALIN himself BUT it is the FIGHT for your FUTURE because STALIN gave a HOPE to the WORLD by founding the ALTERNATIVE COUNTRY-USSR which was MUCH MORE FAIR and ruled by the FOLK than the CAPITALISTIC of USA,UK that is why the WORLD MAFIA is afraid that PEOPLE WILL one day WAKE UP!
physikerin76 6 months ago
Brilliant film and analysis. I was very pleased to see that Mr Effemov is still alive (or was when the film was made). Mr Glaser still has a strong South African accept despite the 70+ years since leaving!
alanheath 6 months ago
it seems like most of the people who lived during Stalin's reign loved him.
ryler05 6 months ago
@montezoma I agree completely.
jerrykobelakers 6 months ago
does journeymanpictures ever say anything positive about russian. seonidh is an idiot
the0th 6 months ago
long live Russia!
trupoed14 6 months ago
Stalin was a monster worse than Hitler enough said
seonidh 6 months ago
@seonidh when it comes to having a leader of a nation judging them depends on the nations goals yes stalin was worse than hitler cause he personally killed (with his signature) millions of russians and made millions more suffer but he did make his country great through military power and put russia on the map as a global power so as nation people need to decide what is more important perception of power abroad or domestic peace and happiness
chokoboy5578 6 months ago
@chokoboy5578 domestic peace as power at the expense of killing millions of your own people is too high a price having your people living ontheir knees while you lord it on an international stage is the way of the dictatorship. These societies fade away as the people rise up and remove those in power.
seonidh 6 months ago
@seonidh actually they werent his people stalin wasnt russian he was georgian also again it depends on the goals of the nation often to make history many people must die theres a price to greatness and you have to decide if you are willing to pay that price and the russians at that time were
chokoboy5578 6 months ago
@chokoboy5578 yes I know stalin was Georgian not Russian. Also the path to greatness does not have to kill people or intentionally kill. Ghandi, Martin Luther King are two men with great power or respect and never killed. The motives of the CCP to kill was based on tyranical control. Also the system was on its knees by the early 90s so the country was far from great it bluffed the USA. Russians didnt decide to pay a price in blood, tyrants and maniacs in the polit beauro maintained a hard line.
seonidh 6 months ago
@seonidh well when i said that i didnt mean you have to kill to be great but for the most part people must die honestly i dont know much about ghandi but i do about MLK and yes he didnt kill but many people (blacks even whites) had to die many killed by lynchings shootings and in other fashions and i am greatful for that because if those events didnt happen MLK would not have advanced the progression of blacks and he would not have been worth mentioning in the history books
chokoboy5578 6 months ago
@seonidh also with everything comes a price especially when it comes to the progression of a particular people and rarely comes with out a form of suffering which often manifest itself in the loss of life the question is are the people willing to pay that price and if they are then why not pay it if it means a better tommorow
chokoboy5578 6 months ago
@chokoboy5578 only a better tomorrow for those in power while ordinary people suffer. Remove everything you say about russia here and replace it with Nazi Germany. Sound as good a cause as what you say?
seonidh 6 months ago
@seonidh do you listen at all i keep saying if the people decide they are willing to pay that price than why not if you want to buy an item with your money you decide if you want to pay the particular price and if you do you buy it if you think its to much then you dont simple
chokoboy5578 6 months ago
@chokoboy5578 "you dont simple" what the hell does that mean? You say people are willing to pay a price, well willingness is a form of consent and that was not the option to those butchered by Stalin, the Soviet system and the CCP. Try telling that also to the Czechs, Poles, Romanians also interred and you'll see your comments of so-called greatness are assinine. Frankly if you cant see he was a butcher then you're in denial its that simple.
seonidh 6 months ago
@seonidh wow you are ignoring half of what i type i said from the beginning that stalin was even worse than hitler but just because killing people in part help make the soviet union along with other empires doesnt mean its not horrible and the people that do it are butchers but wheather you like it or not stalin killed for a purpose wheater you think its good or bad its still a purpose
chokoboy5578 6 months ago
@seonidh also the people that were apart of the soviet union were for the regime mostly if they werent the october revolution would have never happend and the czar would still be in power because all revolutions need the masses to be on there size or else the present regime would crush the revolt wheather you agree or not those things are historical fact
chokoboy5578 6 months ago
@chokoboy5578 I think most people would have been opposed to the Tsar and the new regime had a certain level of popularity - if not it would not have won the civil war. Nonetheless it lost that popularity and Stalin became far more brutal than the Tsars had ever been.
alanheath 5 months ago
@alanheath kinda true but they mostly lost popularity in the later years when the soviet people became more and more exposed to the life of there western enemys and relized that the soviet system (atleast the way russia did it) was not effective
chokoboy5578 5 months ago
@seonidh well i guess you see it my way sense you have not responded now you finally understand and got it through your thick skull (no offense) so you get it atleast some people were for the regime and were willing to pay the price or honestly were not aware but none the less stalin was a mass murderer on an unpresidented scale and made many people suffer but atleast the end result made his nation great and a world power and now you finally get that
chokoboy5578 5 months ago
Look at all of those old people; products of Soviet brainwashing. Much like the Western children on youtube who pretend to be socialist revolutionaries.
preemptivestrike20 6 months ago
@preemptivestrike20 Also notice the insecurity of Russians. The statue of Stalin at 4:30 is larger than Churchill and Roosevelt, when in reality Stalin was much smaller than either one of them. Russians do everything to modify history to preserve their 'strongman' image.
preemptivestrike20 6 months ago
Can some of you russians explain why Stalin had such deep hatred towards the chinese. I mean Mao hated americans so why not brotherly love. Stalin refused to help Mao in the civil war. Soviet leaders after Stalin continued this hostily unfriendly policy and attitude towards China.
BENNYSIEGEL90 6 months ago
@BENNYSIEGEL90
maybe Stalin didnt like competition. he installed his papet governments th. the Europe. brotherly love ? idk about that. its more like about Power not love.
I think there was some kind of conflict around 1920, that made stalin look like fool. he didnt like that much either
dharmaatdawn 6 months ago
Look at your fuck Roosevelt!!!
nopropaganda20 6 months ago
Glory to Stalin! Viva Stalin! Слава Сталину!
nopropaganda20 6 months ago
@nopropaganda20 мдаа, Сталин миллионы свох уничтожел а его сейчас придурки хвалят.. молодец!
eleminatus 2 months ago
Pobre Rússia, nas mãos de bêbados e bandidos, da estirpe de yeltsin.
Armando1735 7 months ago
Slava Stalin
He's a true patriot who purged Trotsky and his gang of Jews.
He did not kill 50 million which is impossible ,
American propaganda made for mentally unstable people.
CCCPSovietSoldier 7 months ago
@CCCPSovietSoldier
Not all jews though. He was going to take care of rest of them but mysteriously died. Russia is still less aggressive world power than China and America though.
BENNYSIEGEL90 6 months ago
@BENNYSIEGEL90
Stalin was Ossetian Orthodox and killed mostly Jewish Trotsky Zionists.
He died because he planne another purge but this time against people such as Beria which ended up murdering him.
CCCPSovietSoldier 6 months ago
what is the name of thesong in the beginning???
antoniohernandez92 7 months ago
So fucking nice seeing a discussion of two intelligent people.
Virtuon777 7 months ago
Yes, magic is Amazing...go figure.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
These fools are sad because socialism is not there to take care of their sorry asses anymore. OMG, we've got to fend for ourselves?! Weaklings that never, ever, learned how to be responsible for their own upkeep, should be pitied, but are detestable for supporting a sadist. Socialism ruins generations to come and stands in stark contrast to a muscular compassionate capitalism offering hope and individual initiative. Survival of the fittest? Communism dies because it's weak.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch Yeah, that's why the country must have been destroyed isn't it? Hitler thought other races were WEAK, and destroyed millions of people. Survival of the fittest. That's your anglo-saxon logic is coming from the deepness of ages. Socialism had flaws but it was betrayal of our own goverment. Think to youself if your goverment will terminate the USA for separating on independent states without your permission and will.
Virtuon777 7 months ago
@Virtuon777" Survival of the fittest " I referred to sarcastically, not a Anglo Saxon notion but a Marxist quip apeing Darwin, who btw, couldn't prove his own theory. Much in keeping with socialisms own inadequicies and inconsistencies, socialist apologists could only dream of remaining cohesive, post American Civil War. Constitutional order and veracity are now being destroyed by the very socialists that wrap themselves in the Constitution; America is too corrupt and effeminate to halt this.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch Excuse me, sir, but it seems you do not qualify to speak about the evolution theory -which has nothing to do with socialism by the way- because you are not really informed about the subject. The evolution theory applies to a race which developes different sets of genes to adapt to the environment over a great period of time. However, Virtuon777 talks about the theory which has been put forward by Adam Smith where he pathetically bitches about english superiority over other people.
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
@TheBlindPowerslave Pardon the hell out of me, but your self-appointed qualifications as to who or what, is formatted here on YT, is rubbish. Secondly, Marxist theory and Darwinianism have historically and academically always been linked, thus "evolutionary" process an integral discipline in all communist countries. A shameful, irrational arrogance has also mandated evolution as fact, much like the medieval scholastics superstition and inflexable dogma, have blinded generations.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch "Marxist theory and darwinism (not darwinianism ffs) have historically and academically always been linked" Well fuck me how did I miss that. What has been done in Socialist countries so far -or at least countries that identified themselves as socialists- is STATE ATHEISM. Marx didn't even talk about socialism that much. In his most famous book 99% of the time he criticized capitalism. Your accusation is invalid. You compared science to medieval dogma... Dude go die, seriously.
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
@TheBlindPowerslave So what's your point, or can't you connect the dots? Are you defending a failed archaic system or just your own ignorance? What you call "science" is an unproven, childish faith in unsupportable presuppositions based on a belief and not evidence. You're shy a few decades of data and have yet to distinguish fact from theory, not to mention an undiscerning oaf that is unfit to be entrusted with independent thinking. Really, stop believing what you conclude when you get high.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch So why don't you trash your computer, leave the city and continue your life in a cave? Since you reject science that's the way you should take. If not, then accept the facts and benefit from what human kind can achieve with science.
"What you call "science" is an unproven, childish faith in unsupportable presuppositions based on a belief and not evidence." That's the definition of religion not science you stupid fuck. And your english sucks.
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
@TheBlindPowerslave So 20 years of nose-picking pot-smoking assumptions have distracted your comprehension to that of an imbecile? Stay focused Smokey. Science isn't absurd but evolutionary theory is. Natural selection is verifiable but endless millions of years for all to evolve is simply magical, like the mystery tour you go on every time you attempt to reason. Big boy Marxist huh? You're a little behind the times aren't you. Modern science was founded in a Christian milieu and abandoned.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch Contradiction: "Evolution theory is absurd not science.", "Natural selection is verifiable but endless millions of years for all to evolve is simply magical", "Modern science was founded in a Christian milieu and abandoned"...
Can you write a single paragraph without contradicting yourself and without demonstrating how to suck at english grammer?
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
@TheBlindPowerslave You mean grammar? Check your spelling moron. Easy to criticize what you don't agree with, now state your case. Expound on your contradiction accusation, otherwise go suck Lenin off. Ever think of a substitute for your all-embracing "suck"? Come on Mr. Marx, let's see your proof. Publicly schooled rhetoric doesn't cut it. Learn first then opine.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch Evolution theory IS science which means if you reject it you also reject science. And if you want to prove it wrong then you will have to do it by scientific methods. In both cases your argument is a contradiction. You can't say "I don't blieve in evolution but I blieve in science". This is absurd.
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
@TheBlindPowerslave What makes it science, the burden of proof is on those espousing this nonsense. Arbitrary pronouncements are worthless. Demonstrate how anyone knows anything when something came from nothing, and then exploded in manifest intricacy. Absurd.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch Who told you things come from nothing? Nothing comes from nothing.
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
@chickenwretch Evolution theory is based on many scientific evidence and there is not a single evidence that supports that the theory is wrong. You can expand it but you cannot dismiss it. This is a theory and a theory means the best way to explain something in science which means this may not be completely true but this is the best answer we have for now UNLIKE a fucking god spawning an entire race. God is magical, not science.
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
@TheBlindPowerslave Your apriori "evidence" is best explained by transcedence. What you reject out of hand in a naturalistic form you clearly embrace on a level that you say is non-existant. You reject faith put inference it at every turn.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch "Modern science was founded in a Christian milieu and abandoned." This a fucking stupid one. If it was abandoned where the fuck does our scientific knowledge comes from? I mean I don't even understand what the fuck did you mean with that. This is a fucking contradiction.
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
@TheBlindPowerslave You obviously know nothing of historical context, that's on you, study up. Obfuscation is a cop out, not an intellectual issue but clearly a moral one.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@TheBlindPowerslave Put the bong down and follow; Christianity was abandoned. Newton, Copernicus, Gallileo, etc. were all from a Christian context. A rational God created man with a rational brain to discover an orderly universe. Modern interpretation of this statement is usually loaded with moral overtones, pro or con. What's hardest to believe is that we're here in the first place; nihilism easier to fathom.
chickenwretch 7 months ago
@chickenwretch So you think god just magically put us here for some reason that we don't know? I think we are done here. Thank you for the conversation though.
TheBlindPowerslave 7 months ago
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MrBNaylor 7 months ago
@papawx3 Great summation of Russians and why they still love the greatest hangman of the 20th Century. I'm Russian, by the way.
MeatTycoon 7 months ago
people never learn, after all theses killing of russian by stalin, now he is hero.
admoonhermiz 7 months ago
@admoonhermiz Capitalism killed the russia.
2014and2016Brazil 7 months ago 28
@2014and2016Brazil No, it didn't. Communism and Stalinism did. Capitalism only lives off of it.
TheClarenceter 5 months ago
@2014and2016Brazil It killed Russia. Not THE Russia.
guicsgui 4 months ago
@admoonhermiz he was hero then and he is hero now. Why? People trusted him, he was a symbol, as a hope for better future for better life. And he was a creator, creator of great land, land, that was able to crush might nazy army, land that created atomic bomb, land that launched a human in space. And he builded land, where no existed
such kapitalism thing such social unequality and unjustice...
msbull100 7 months ago
@admoonhermiz Of course people that trusted him knew nothing about his crimes... But land were builded, and many people were happy...
But lets see what we have now, when we know it. Has became our life better? In many ways, what we see, only unjustice - it is everywhere, in our life. The land, that was in past great, now is dieng. And it is not amazing, that people remember Stalin as a hero...
msbull100 7 months ago
whats the name of the song at the begining?
i cant remember...
harrikelm 8 months ago
Руки прочь от Сталина! Hands off STALIN! Янки, гоу хоум!!! Yankey-monkey, go home!
Junior48030 8 months ago
If it wasnt for Stalin i wouldnt be alive and a lot of you fuckers complaining
gigobait 8 months ago
Pfff, the arguments fail here just as this discussion under me. You guys are seriously discussing about Stalin on YouTube? Oh I'm sorry, I didn't noticed it was a political forum!!
iownage4youi 8 months ago
*Livia
Virtuon777 8 months ago
long live stalin
he loves you
sing these words
and you'll know what he'll do
brettsworld99 8 months ago
stalin bil gruzinnnn!!! stalin was georgian!!!
kordzakhia 8 months ago
“You cannot make a revolution with silk gloves.”
Joseph Stalin
SagothBaal 8 months ago
both lenin & stalin via their secret police ruined russian culture and its values that had been cherished for centuries.
methodically they instilled their new faith into russian people via the fear and conformity;
scripts for schools / unis / factories etc . had been importantly changed that would suit stalin's cunning and selfish itch. great stalin?? then why so many russian people had lost their lives comparing to german's? he had always had a bigger fish in his mind disdaining the cost.
wordvan 8 months ago
СССР-это сверхдержава без коррупции...
ThePervino 8 months ago
@ThePervino без коррупции))) бхахаха)) пр почитай что-нибудь про андроповские процессы. да совок погряз в коррупции
trupoed11 8 months ago
Anti Stalin propaganda continues long after the man's death. So many lies invented to blacken the man. Stalin was hero and will remain a hero in people's memory.
slavixtube 8 months ago
Glória e reconhecimento ao povo soviético e ao seu líder Estaline pelas conquistas sociais, políticas e científicas, assim como pela destruição da hidra nazista.
Armando1735 8 months ago
Bullshit-thrower ON?
Funny read about USSR leader, from people who never been in Russia...
Or listen story from old "poor" jews (with senile marasmus).
West show, what they WANT to show - most of this kind of films blind and not true.
And most faces in this film is not russian, so no comments....
RussiaTrue 8 months ago
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TheLivingHermit1 8 months ago
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TheLivingHermit1 8 months ago
Do you dare to speak bad about the country i was born in?If you dare,visit an ex-USSR country named Latvia,and find me.Stalin wasn't killing people himself.They deserved it.They were the deserters of motherland,and dishonest people.Stalin was a good man and i Admire Joseph Vessarionovich Dzhugashvili(Stalin) As the greatest leader of the greatest Union of nations and relegions,the Soviet Union of Comunistic Countries.
klopidze1 8 months ago 2
@klopidze1 no one human being has to right to take the life of another, 'deserved' or not.
BertillaChow 8 months ago
@klopidze1
Yes, we dare to speak bad about country that you weren't born in, Your profile says you are 16 years old so at the time when you were born soviet union didn't exist anymore. You should see LATVIAN made documentary "soviet story". I hope it opens up your views about "how good man" stalin was.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
I respect and admire Joseph Stalin, he was great leader. But I am Mexican so I don't think my opinion about him really matters.
oortiz915 8 months ago
"Death is the solution to all problems. No man - no problem."
"One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic."
Quotes from stalin.
And he never killed anyone you say? You are the ones in need of education here.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 One death is a tragedy one meillion is a statistic is not a quote of stalin.
he did kill of course, noone says that he didnt kill...he did order the death of 600 000 people, most during the great war or the years leading to it...that was a hard time for a single socialist country surrounded by imperialist forces.
as for the imprisionment in the gulags...the total number never exceeded 2.5 million...USA has more prisioners this day...
Rabican030 8 months ago
@Rabican030 Bullshit! My Grandfather was arrested in 1946. Never found out what for. Never was charged with anything, never mind tried or convicted of anything. Never found out what happened to him. KGB simply lost track of him somewhere in Gulag. They couldn't even count ALL the prisoners they had. Their bookkeeping system couldn't cope with volume of people in entire Gulag.
ssmusic214 8 months ago
@Rabican030
USA is just as bad as Soviet union back then. And don't get me wrong, Im only against the leaders of the Soviet union (as im agains the leaders of other countries aswell) becose power corrupts, and absolute power corruptes absolutely. Stalin was a mass murderer and i don't think we ever gonna get the true numbers of his terrors victims. Communism itself is not bad (pursuing equality), But it can't be done by humans. We are greedy bastards with no exceptions.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 I am almost agree with you about communism. But STALIN was exactly not corrupted and was caring about his people. He was an exception in the government structure. He never killed millions of people. Yoa are brainwashed by ANTI-STALIN propaganda.When he died in his posessions were found 3 jackets and trousers, and couple of shoes, one of them were new. It is unbelievable, I know, but it is true!
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
I am brainswashed by propaganda? Actually it just might be other way around, There are plenty of proofs about Stalins crimes, Even some russian historians can't deny it. Only thing is, They don't dare to speak about it in public. Besides, I bet there's not many people who could recognize the war crimes their nation did. My nation did crimes against soviets, and soviets did against us and every other nation they had war with. (Mass rapes in Berlin, Katyn, Holodomor etc)
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 Give demographical data that confirms massive loss of life , not some dissidents fairy tales. 10 million , 20 million , 40 million , 60 million ..... make up your mind.
Mass rapes in Berlin wow....... it would not have been a crime if we executed half of the German population. Even the Germans prayed that if we did 1/10 of what they did in the USSR none of them would have been left alive.
VaragianPrince 8 months ago
@VaragianPrince
Im not a book that can be read about all the historical facts in the world, Go to a library and read about those that i meantioned in my earlier comment. And besides books, Talk with some old people who lived back then, They are usually more that ready to tell us what happened. And by the way, Even if germans did their crimes in bigger scale, It doesn't give you the right to search vengeance by killing and raping their civillians. Bring justice to only those who are to blame.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 Black book of Communism ? Gulag Archipelago? Read them , i find them the same as Alice in the Wonderland. You go talk to some old people who lived then i have done my part and i know the truth. You go try and stop an army that saw their country destroyed , that saw endless lines of hanged civilians, that saw city after city destroyed or starved to death from killing every single German they saw. The rape was a merciful act.
VaragianPrince 8 months ago
@VaragianPrince
i am well aware of what happened during the operation barbarossa. I know about german war crimes and i think you did the right thing by killing them to the last man. There can be no justification to what they did to you. But i still think that it doesn't give you the right to punish innocents. It's like killing a murderers family becose the murderer was bad, Even if the family members of the murderer couldn't do anything to help his victims.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 It wasn't a regular war, it was a war of extermination.
PS: The quotes that you mentioned by Stalin were attached to him in 1955, he never said that.
VaragianPrince 8 months ago
@VaragianPrince
Yes i know that those quotes wasn't his own invented, But the fact that he believed in them showes already what kind of man he was. And i know that the great patriotic war (as you russians call it) wasn't just like any other war. It was the most horrible thing that man has ever done, Becose of the cruelty that took its place in the hearts of those who fought it. And i hope that no nation will have to face such destruction never again.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 There is no proof about Stalin crimes. You should read the books about those times first and try to understand whyt was going on there. It was the time after the civil war, everything was destroyed and brought into chaos. In such situation , the crimes can not be controlled. The cleaning which happened was launched by Trotzky followers who were then punished for this by Stalin. It was the 5th coloumn which was detsroyed by Stalin, you mean thisprobably.
physikerin76 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 But every person was prosecuted in a frame of the Soviet law, the most moral at those times and even now. About KATYN- it was the crime made by NATZI, no government prosecution was done by Russia except USSR, only satements by betrayer Gorbachev, Elzin;Rapes in Berlin, it is a agin a fairy tail weaved y WESTERN PROPAGANDA, it was absolutely impossible within the strict SOVIET laws and discipline,the people could have been shot for this or brought into prison.
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
If Katyn was made by nazis, Then why on earth did Russian state duma admitted that it was planned by stalin and carried out by NKVD? And there are still women in berlin that remember what soviet soldiers did to them, Although nearly half of them committed suicide after raping. There's even a movie about it, Basing on a book written by Marta Hillers, Who was among those raped women.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 Because they are lying for some reasons, the fact is that there was no official prosecution of KATYN'.. The duma is lobbying the western interests, it is the 5th COLOUMN who is trying to recut the world map made after th2nd WW.Gorbachev did it because he was a betrayer of USSR. The were a lot of bookswhich were sponsored by rockefeller, Moore and so on but they have nothing to do with the reality. If some women were raped then it does not mean that the whole army raped them !!
physikerin76 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 As somebody had written , rapes was a mercy act compared to the burning, torture and so on.. Imagine that your sister was raped by NATZI officer then it is possible that you would try to do that to the german women. It is only a hypohesis....Some cases are not excluded but this is only an exclusion !! I am sure that guys from FINNLAND could rape too.The soviet culture was great , it was highly moral. You'd better talk about the soviet solder who rescued the small german girl !!?
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
You are entitled to your opinion but im still not changing mine. Have you ever been raped? Do you understand what mental process those women had to go through after they got raped? If someone would rape my sister i would kill him and that's it. I would not rape his sister becose she wasn't the one to be held responsible. And yes i belive that some finnish soldiers raped soviet women too and i think that they deserve to die too.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 You are entitled to your opinion as well. I mean it is a terrific act for any woman! If this happened then the guys must be punished for this and they were. These crimes can not be excluded but it does NOT mean that it was the policy of USSR!! USSR liberated EUROPE from NAZIS and payed >25 millions of lives for this!! The highes price which can be paid for the peace !! Do not talk about this bullshit please any more! It is the typical IMPERIALISTIC PROPAGANDA !
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
Chill out will you? Im not getting my information from propaganda posters. I actually read stuff and belive it only if i find convincing evidence. I know that red army had it's policy about how to act and what kind of image to give themselves in occupied countries, But the supervising of these rules often failed. It's true that soviets drived nazis out but they only brought their own dictator in place. If soviets liberated them, then why didn't they leave after liberation?
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 Good, that you verify the stuff you read! No, the heroitic acts which the soviet soldiers made are incompatible with what you are saying ! The soldiers were dreaming to come back home as soon as possible to their families and rebuild the destroyed houses, schools, hospitals! Which dictator? They liberated the Europe! STALIN said: The Hitlers come and go but the german volk stays forever, they must be together and neutral!.
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
What western countries wanted was to eradicate national socialism from amongst the people, They didn't want to make the same mistake they made after 1WW, So ever major nation of the allied forces got their piece of berlin to watch over. And it was the soviets who builded up the berlin wall, Not western allies.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 the key point is not about the wall as a cement building it is about the devision of Germany b/w USA and USSR although STALIN was AGAINST this division but the wetsern block blocked this. They wanted to devide Germany to more than 2 parts !!! I am repeating : The wetsern block is still there and Russia is NOT!!!
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
Of course the country was divided, Allies in the west knew that stalin would not leave from Germany and they didn't want to give all of it to him, So they occupied the west, Cold war began etc.. What do you mean with "western block"? I know there are some american bases there as the country has made a deal with United States. Similar kind of bases are made in other countries aswell, Like in Japan.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 I am sorry there is no logics in your word ! From your words follows : Stalin then knew too that the western countries will not leave and occupied the east part! So, what is the problem then !? I am repeating: STALIN said: "The Germany must remain as a whole and be neutral !!!" He pushed this but the western countries blocked this !!! What is not clear to you here ??No, they did not make a deal they just gave a hint to the Germany that they should do what Americans are suggesting!
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
Yes stalin knew western countries would not leave and west knew stalin was not gonna leave, And neither wanted to give all of germany to other. So naturally, The country was divided. That's what i've tried to say... And yes germans made a deal with the U.S. They also are member of nato, Which too explains alot. U.S. has military bases in coutries like: Germany, Bulgaria, Netherlands, Spain, Japan, Australia etc.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 NO, YOU DO NOT understand ! The country LEADERS DO NOT throw their words away in such world meetings. I repeat STALIN was for a UNITED and NEUTRAL GERMANY ! What if the western countries would have said : "Yes, it is the great idea Lets' let them be as a one neutral country!" Then STALIN would have lost his EAST Part, according to your logics. The german PARLAMENT is under USA. It isthe well known fact. Why ?Because their army is there and they do everything USA tells them to do!
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
Stalin for neutral germany my ass.. If he would have been, He would have moved his troops back to Russia out of Germany and out of baltia. If Stalin would have backed down, So would have western allies, But the 2 million soviet soldiers in east europe, made them nervous about the future, So of course they stayed. And saying that Germany is under USA is same thing as saying Russia is Sri Lanka's bitch. Both are independent nations.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 He could not move because the western countries did not want to let Germany be neutral and occupied the western part,that is why he had to play their game in order not to let them to take their positions in Germany!The same number of western soldiers were there. It should be clear now, I guess !! The fact that Germany is under Americans is well known. I have a lot of friends there, that is what tehy say,and if you look at their parties CDU/FDP they are all pro-american parties !!
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
Stalin himself agreed with western allies in Yalta that Germany would be divided into occupied zones, So why you keep repeating yourself about how stalin was for neutral Germany? If he wasn't, then why on earth did he agree with western allies? And saying that soviets had same amount of soldiers as U.S. in Germany is not true. U.S. had about 125,000 soldiers and soviets had 300,000 soldiers in Germany. And please, Give me some proof about Germans being under U.S. goverment.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 STALIN had to accept this because he was not alone there: there were USA, UK and some european countries behind them. Number of voices was not enough. He had to accept this. USSR could not afford a NEW WAR because the country was destroyed to the grounds. Immediately after the 2nd WW after the Churchill speech they started the cold war and there was a plan in early 50th to bombard USSR with the nuclear WEAPONS ! That's why STALIN gave an order to work on a nuclear Weapon !
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
Then maybe he should have kept his head instead of just to nod to everything western allies said. Everyone agreed about the conditions of the yalta conference, So now it's too late to cry about the results. Germany got divided, But now they are united. The end. And where have you found any proof that there was a plan to bomb USSR with nuclear weapons in early 50's?
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 I am repeating : STALIN could not afford a NEW WAR with the Western countries that is why he had to accept theit decision !! Germany is united but they are STILL NOT INDEPENDENT !! About the bombarding of 200 USSR major cities with the neuclear Weapons: It is the well known fact. It had started with TRUMAN. You should do some reasearch.
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
Stalin could not afford new war eh..? Cold war says otherwise. Soviet union used more money to military than ever. Building nuclear weapons is not free, Not to mention about re-arming all of the soviet army. (developing new weapons, mass produce them etc.) No matter how you hate it, Germany is independent. They have their own flag, Language, borbers and goverment chosen by fair election. You with you "well know fact's", Not giving a damn evidence.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 WAR means that there are 2 or more struggling sides. So, USSR was spneding only 10 % of the Budget on the military sphere. EVven if USSR was so armed, USSR never attacked any peaceful country in comparison with USA who detsroyed IRAK, VIETNAM and so on.. I never told that I hate Germany's Independence, it is you who writes this. I have a lot of friends in Germany. There are a lot of Left- Germans who have Nostalgie about DDR.
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
Soviet union's official defence bubget in cold war was about 15-17% rising 4 to 7 % per year (though U.S. estimated that real numbers could be even twice as much). After USSR collapsed the defence bubget plunged to 2.7 %. USSR never attacked a peaceful country...? You are forgetting something here.. Besides, There are brainwashed leftist's all over the world. Germany or Russia are not the only countries.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 Oh yeah sure, Russia is definely a great state
MultiAREE 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 "U.S. estimated ..."? U.S. published so many disinformation books that you should not refer to them !! It is you who "discovers" something new about USSR !! USSR NEVER ATTACKED ANY COUNTRY !!USSR was HELPING a lot other developing COUNTRIES who owe a lot to USSR: atomic, hydro- stations, hospitals, a great number of educated people who paid NOTHING for their education and were getting scholarships, Industrial factories, NEW technologies, EVERYTHING just for FREE! !
physikerin76 8 months ago
@physikerin76
And like i said: "U.S. estimated", It does not mean it's fact carved in the stone, It was just an estimation, And should be react as such. And USSR did attack atleast one country. My country, Finland. Have you ever heard about winterwar? And no, USSR wasn't helping anyone, Atleast not in eastern europe. Look at them now, and compare them to countries that did not fall under USSR. Finland is in top 5 of best countries of the world, And Russia is not even in top 100..
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 "In top 5-100 whatever" judging which criteria? Does Finland have nuclear armory? Weighty word in Security Council? Big territory?
May I recall how the US and theirs satellites are living so well (on top) comparing to Russia and so on? About Iraq, about Levan? Why they canned they own resources and consuming developing countries? Don't you understand that world is changing?
Virtuon777 8 months ago
@Virtuon777
Do you understand that wealth of a nation is not measured by it's territorys or militarys size, But in the wealthfare of it's people's. (check legatum prosperity index) And again you started to talk about U.S., You have somekind of need to make them look worse than Russia in other people's eyes? Atleast they are doing better than Russia.
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 "wealth of a nation is not measured by it's territorys or militarys size" — In the mind of the elfs it is so. In real world it's just a bit else.
"You have somekind of need to make them look worse than Russia in other people's eyes? Atleast they are doing better than Russia." — I don't need "to make them look". I guess people know themselves how good they look NOW.
Virtuon777 8 months ago
@Virtuon777
Oh i have seen how "good" Russia looks, And i wish i don't ever have to visit there anymore. "In the mind of the elfs it is so. In real world it's just a bit else." How so? If you are not about to start wars with other countries then why put military expences before better education and healthcare?
MustaSurma666 8 months ago
@MustaSurma666 Because onetimes some bustard like Sarkozi or Hitler have decided "Why do not kill you and your people and put the country into chaos and anarchy?" The main rule of this world always been "Who's strong, he's right". World is changing. Powerful countries and old-Europe don't want if the developing countries become as strong and wealth as they are. Just think to youself if China declare "we want live as well as US, we want two house