A Lake Garda Interview with Chris Ferrara "The Church + the

[tumbleweedjoe]

I have been (as you can see from my page) a Catholic austro-libertarian for some time, but am beginning to see serious cracks in the edifice of my own thought. A short time ago I was convinced (for several years) that Austro-libertariansm was the only really Catholic socio-political theory, but I am now starting to wonder that I ever could have thought this. For so long I've experienced a crisis of conscience when reading "crazy" statements in papal encyclicals, only to discover I've been wrong.

[AdversusHaereses]

@tumbleweedjoe I am most delighted to hear this!

[TPMaloney80]

Reading his book and was intrigued by the subject. I consider myself a christian, and I know that the way to push the ideas is through coersion, not force.

Christian socialism, is still socialism.

People have the right to not believe.

[DescartesDooley]

Reading Chris's book right now.An excellent and necessary work.Thank you.

[tmarsha4]

9:00 , Very wrong. The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. It is a greater immorality to not allow an employer to pay an employee on Sunday so that employee can buy bread for his family, than to not allow that employer to pay that man at all. What man among you would not leave his wife and children for 8 hours to go to work and provide dinner for them later that night? Which is the greater immorality?

[tmarsha4]

6:42 , "Wage slaves in China." You have no concept of opportunity cost. They're alternative is the family farms, barely making enough to sustain a family, waking up at 3am to chop at rubber trees. There is a reason they flock to the factories. They would rather make a living earning much more for 60/hour weeks than 80/hour weeks on the Farm, and being able to spend that money on a pretty dress, an entertaining movie, or a gift for a loved one.

[LiturgicalChants]

The comparison of family farms in China to family farms in the USA is oversimplifed and inadequate in explaining that places of vastly differrent histories in opposite ends of the world.

In southern and coastal China, rural areas have seen increased development and are, in some areas, beginning to catch up statistically to urban economies. In northwest and western regions, rural society has continued to be seen as of a low standard and primitive. Development remains uneven.

[LiturgicalChants]

Three decades after the Chinese government initiated a series of reforms designed to boost efficiency in agricultural production, China's farms use the most inorganic fertilizer per acre in the world. Still, despite the heavy fertilization, the productivity of China's farms is declining year after year. It wasn't always so, says Gao. "When I was a child, my parents didn't use chemical fertilizers or pesticides and the plants grew well. Now so much land is unhealthy.

[LiturgicalChants]

the Quan Riverbank Natural Farming Co-Op, represents a nascent movement in China -- sometimes referred to as New Rural Reconstruction -- to promote alternative means of rural development. The result of a joint effort by left-leaning Chinese academics, non-governmental organizations and community activists, NRR proponents seek to remedy the adverse effects on rural communities of the market-based kaifang gaige economic reforms introduced by the Chinese government in the early 1980s.

[tmarsha4]

6:18 , It would be more humorous than sad if this were not being taken seriously even by a select few economic-ignorant, utopian, Catholics.

"Who needs Wal-Mart?" The poor. They need it for food, clothing, and for Christmas. Alternatives are higher-priced goods that they cannot afford, and that would shift their consumption from many goods to a select few, made under arbitrarily "fair" conditions.

[mmorrtt]

Was that Father Pentergraaf in the back?

[migkillertwo]

So is the State supposed to advance people's morality?

Those are certainly humble goals.

[234helenrose]

@migkillertwo Of course - that's why we have laws. All law is an imposition of morality.

[Jitpring]

Distributism = crypto-socialism? 

[RyanNX211]

E. Michael Jones has a similar book in the works. At least all three authors are without degrees in economics.

[paleocrat]

@Hotnuttt I have read that book. I have also read his book, "Beyond Distributism." I have also read a number of his articles. I've conversed with him over the Internet as well, though only briefly. This took place after I posted two videos criticizing his position regarding the authority, competency, and jurisdiction of the Church in matters pertaining to the political economy.

I hope you enjoy "The Church and the Libertarian." I am confident that I will.

[paleocrat]

@Hotnuttt As this video details, the book "The Church and the Libertarian" deals with this matter at some length. You read Woods. Now read Ferrara.

[paleocrat]

@Hotnuttt I am quite familiar with his works. As I said, I have videos on this matter, two specifically dealing with him. I also have two articles dealing with him. His position regarding the competency, authority,and jurisdiction of the Church on these matters is heretical. Classical liberalism is, at root, social modernism, condemned more than once by Mother Church.

[jbryant13]

@Hotnuttt - you mean the Tom Woods who says the Church has NOTHING to say in all things economic. Woods is a brilliant man - he is also wrong.

[paleocrat]

@Hotnuttt I have videos against Thomas Woods on my YouTube channel and have written two articles in opposition to the position he advocates. His position regarding the competence, authority, and jurisdiction of the Church on these matters is, for all intents and purposes, the kind of social modernism condemned by the Church.

[aburke673]

what a novus ordo heretic. he is not the remnant

[aburke673]

@aburke673 nice dye job chris

[paleocrat]

Ferrara hits the nail on the head, over and over again.

[bookstar77]

@paleocrat You said it, Paleocrat! I can't wait to get my copy of his book.

For a Distributist Earth...and nothing less!