call me when kobe can average 50 percent throughout a full nba season, call me when kobe have 7 50 pts games during the playoffs and then score 50 in the finals
I was just talking to my friend last night..... there will never be another player like Michael Jordan again. I can bet everything on that. He came up big EVERYTIME, and his play in the playoffs is unmatched by any.
Folks! Michael Jordan's FG% (.445) at age 40 against younger players of today's NBA is far better than Kobe's pathetic FG% of .402 this season. LOL! Kobe is just an overhyped player who love to shoot with a mediocre career shooting FG%. I said it before and I'll say it again, after all said and done, Kobe will own one of the lowest FG% in NBA history. He's just an overhyped ballhog player who always force his shots and lucky to be surrounded with consistent and great monolith players.
@imsljr420 you dont know anything about basketball lol kobe plays exactly like jordan he cant get as much seperation anymore because hes ben playing for 15 years, name another guy who averaged above 25 in their 15th year, you cant so shut the fawk up
fuck you guys, what the hell, kobeeeee bryannnt all the way fuk haters, kobes better than michael................... you guys are just jealous cuz kobes better, and kobe bryant plays better team, wen michael jordan played in the nba their wasnt as many good teams, now theirs like 10 good as teams in the nba, what now? huh? i give respect for michael but kobes my idol
@954454333 : kobe wasn't even the best player on his team when they 3peat....& then when he was he couldn't even lead his team to a 3peat.....he only has 2 scoring titles while iverson got 4 & they both started in 96...he has 0 DPOY awards & only 1 MVP while his own teammate artest has 1 DPOY & nash has 2 MVP's....and yet somehow he's better than jordan?....sorry but he's not even close to jordan.
everyone hates Kobe because he's the closest to Jordan and people (media) don't want to have another Jordan and there won't be but also there won't be another Kobe
Call me when Kobe can score 63 pints against of the best defensive teams during hand check era in the playoffs. Kobe scored 81 against weak ass team like Raptors in regular season, Jordan's highest was 69, you don't think he can score 11 more points?
And jordan had overall better stat in their best games. MJ: 69 pt - 18 reb - 6 ast - 4 st - 1 blk - 2 to's - 62.1 fg%
Kobe can't even drink from the same gatorade as Michael.
comparing the MJ's to anyone is kinda suicidal, argument-wise.
and to the moron who writes "kobe played in more competitive era" simply because the spurs have won 4 rings...FOOL. The reason for that is Kobe wasn't good enough to deny everyone of his time a ring, as Mike did. ...and that's even with all the Laker aid from the refs thru the years. They never call out of bounds on those fuckers... Im long over the so called lake show.
Kobe was hand down the heart and soul of all 5 Lakers title. Shaq had his part like scottie had his. Kobe is the greatest player ever because he did it during a era in which the competetion was greater. There were no other championship teams in the 90's. Kobe's done his damage in the midst of another dynasty in the Spurs.
@tonychoitellem Jordan played against the '90s Knicks. Imagine John Starks & Gerald Wilkins trading off handchecking you all over the court. Imagine being bodied up, held, grabbed, chucked and wrapped up away from the ball by the likes of McDaniel, Ewing, Mason & Oakley. Imagine attacking the basket, and you have those angry guys salivating at the chance to knock you into the front row! The defenses from Jordan's era were consistent in limiting the perimeter super talents from taking over games.
@MrTC521 "during a era in which the competetion was greater" Really?..
"Our rules are [focused] on keeping the middle [open] to offer [more opportunities] for players to [cut & penetrate] to the basket. When we [disallowed] the use of the [hand] & [forearm] to the [body], the [defensive 3-second rule] in [conjunction] with the [hand check] interpretation [gave] offensive players on the [perimeter], [more] offensive [freedom]."
-Stu Jackson; NBA Exec. VP of Operations, May 5, 2007
plus, even though Kobe's gotten better at blending scoring with setting others up, that was never really a problem with MJ.
People thought MJ became a better passer over time; he was always a good passer, it's just that he had better teammates later. The Bulls actually moved him to the point for a time late in the 1989 season and he had (I think) 9 triple-doubles.
Also, incredibly, MJ had TWO seasons of 100-plus steals and 100-plus blocks. It's not even close.
my argument to end all arguments: MJ was the heart and soul of all 6 Bulls title teams, without a doubt.
Kobe has 5 rings, but I actually give Shaq more credit for the first 3, and even the last two, it's questionable whether Kobe was really the one responsible. If not for Pau emerging into a force inside and Ron's big time Game 7 (in which Kobe shot 6 for 24), the Lakers wouldn't have won those titles.
@makeitrain47 so scotty should get the mvp for the bulls finals too then? your saying kobe wasnt the reason they won in 09? so 33 ppg 5 rpg and 8apg isnt the heart and soul but 18 and 9 is. so should scotty get the mvps too for the bulls finals too? how about 28.6ppg 8.8 rpg and 5apg isnt the heart of the team but 18 and 11 is? you wanna say artest hit 2 clutch shots so he was the heart of the team? he shot 5-16 that night. how about you look up the box score and see how bad everyone shot.
@LebronKiingJames out of all the players you named, kobe is the closest to jordan, and plays exactly like him. they were both above the rim players in their youth they were still good shooters then. as they got older and slower they both developed a great post game and mid range game. kobe wants to be better then jordan, i mean look at his number choices, 24 is 1 higher than 23 and kobes olympic number is 10 and jordans is 9, thats no coincedence
@unbeatable24 : kobe plays nothing like jordan.......kobe can't create separation so he just jacks up a wild shot while jordan gets by his defender & either goes to the bucket or gets himself open for a clean shot
kobe is not even close. neither is lebron, neither is wade or durant or any of those guys. MJ brought the most intimidation to any team and could win multiple rings with ANYBODY. if he was not on the bulls, he would have made a different player be just like scottie pippen. give him ANYBODY and he will make them great.. ANYONE. if he was on LA, he would have gotten the 3 finals MVPs, not Shaq. Kobe let shaq get them, but if it was MJ, he would have gotten them. never compare anyone to jordan
@LebronKiingJames no way dude he wouldnt make just anyone better. he wouldnt make Tyron korbin better he didnt make craig hodges better... jordan aint god he is just great or greatest . Pippen sucked to me when he moved to other teams he was garbage. Barkley thinks he is the best of all time and doesnt have a ring.
@DJlondy95 he has 5 rings duh and his career isnt over ... what are you talking about ... Bill Russell has 11 rings so does that make him better than jordan ... come on ... Pippen has rings does that make him better than Lebron hell no... Bill Cartwright has rings does that make him better than Dwight Howard hell no. John Paxson has rings does that make him better than Steve Nash hell no.
@TheEaglesfanindc hey anyone that can even copy him a little is good lol.... but lets face it we all want to be like the best. even when you ball up paper and toss it into the trash you still count down and think your one of the best ...3,2,1 swish
There isnt much of a comparison. The biggest difference between them is playoff time. MJ was always a beast in the playoffs and Kobe .....well he usually just looks like any other player in the playoffs. Only young dudes who didnt watch MJ throughout his career are dumb enough to say Kobe is better. What they really are saying is they LIKE Kobe better because they get to watch him play.
@ReALiTeeChEkk ok stop it just stop it first off your comparing them for some reason obviously bc they are similar so stop it ... your acting like kobe is garbage ... he was hurt dude the ankle a sever sprain its a fact. And Jordan is awesome and before him DR Jay was the man. I guess winning back to back titles 09 and 2010 didnt matter ... he obviously was hurt... 17pts dude you know good and well he gets that in his sleep. Who cares if he isnt Jordan no one is and no one is Kobe period..
@shogunMR , uhhh my 1st sentence said THERE ISNT MUCH OF A COMPARISON. I'm not comparing them, i'm saying they shouldnt be compared. I didnt say anything close to "Kobe is garbage". I've heard all the excuses by Kobe fans, hurt ankle, hurt, knee, other players fault, coaches fault, etc. Dr. J was only "the man" if your talking innovative moves, but Bird and Magic were both better players. Gasol outplayed Kobe at times in their back to back titles and Shaq was the main man in the other 3.
@ReALiTeeChEkk bro i see what your saying but to say Gasol outplayed Kobe is rediculous they both fed off of each other ... thats why so many teams now have more than one star so to speak. and in 08 when they lost in the playoffs it was because Gasol was soft and to me it takes more than one player now a days. IM a fan of Jordan, Kobe, Magic and so on. Bird is awesome im just saying i dont think he is up there in the top 5 to me more like top 10ish and thats still greatness. they lost oh well
@shogunMR, Of course teammates feed off each other but there were times when Gasol was doing more for the team than Kobe. Alot of people think Gasol should have been Finals MVP in at least one of those. Then like i said Shaq was the main man with the other 3 titles. My point is, Jordan was always the man on his team and no one ever outplayed him in the finals, teammates or opponents. So thats why i say Kobe dont compare to MJ. I agree Gasol is soft at times.
@Sk8Nigga1996 all day all they can say was he got swept like other great hadnt gotten beat in the playoffs ... and we compare him to Jordan bc he is the best people just dont understand do they ...
@airHaakon oh stop Kobe was hurt ... the ankle dude... Kobe never gives up never your crazy how u say he gives up when he has 5 rings ... 5 dude ... they just won the title the last 2 years back to back so i guess every other team that didnt win last year gave up ... thats rediculous
@24lakersblackmamba Call me when Kobe doesn't get kicked out of the 2nd round of the playoffs after winning back to back championships. Call me when Kobe can score 54 points in 3 quarters in the playoffs. Call me when Kobe can score 50 points 8 times in the playoffs. Call me when Kobe scores 50 in three different eras.
@UR2H You have lost your mind ... back to back titles bro... you cant win them all... ya they got swept he was hurt BFD ... Jordan is awesome and how come we all compare kobe to him bc he must be just as good or up near that level. and why does he have to score 50... you know nothing about basketball if you think Kobe is garbage ... who cares who scores 50 big effin deal... and its a team sport kobe aint the only one duh
@shogunMR Dumbass read the context of the comment and who it was directed to.
Nowhere in my comment do I say Kobe is "garbage."
My comment is directed to 24lakersblackmamba...maybe you should read his comments first then relate why I left a comment like the one I did before you start jumping to conclusions and going all ape shit.
@UR2H DUDE relax Kobe is great at least i think so get over it ... Dominique is great to me also but gets no props. Im one of a few that thinks Barkley was good but not great just what i think thats all. I also dont like Tim Duncan but got to say he good and i hate the MailMan Karl Malone but he good too ughhh lol!!!
@shogunMR Nique gets plenty of respect. A top 50 all time great, top 10 all time small forward and HOF inductee. He just happened to play in an era with Jordan, Bird and Magic so he was a bit overshadowed. To me Barkely is a top 5 all time PF. No other player in history had 15 straight seasons averaging double double with points and rebounds. That alone is an incredible feat. I don't like Duncan or Malone either. Malone is a choke artist...and dirty. Duncan is just boring to watch.
@UR2H i know what you mean about Barkley. I guess i just dont like his arrogance, ya know what i mean like some people are great at what they do regardless what it is and as soon as they open their mouth you just dont like them, i know thats not right but thats how it is, especially when he has won nothing and he talks as IF he won everything. BUT he is great your right. He can rebound, shoot and post up well at 6'4-6'5 even shoot 3's when he's on his game ....
@UR2H thats just me bro ... I dont know what it is. no disrespect. im just sayin Jordan and magic are on a whole other planet TO ME that is. I mean Birds One of the greats no doubt. i guess he just didnt wow me as a watcher or as a player i never said i wanna be like bird ... BUT HE IS GREAT ...
@shogunMR Kobe is an all time great. That's not the issue. These Kobe fans who always bring up 2 or 3 great performances by Kobe as the reason why he is better than Jordan is just dumb. IMO Magic is the best pure passer ever. Scott Skiles holds the most assists in a game record but that doesn't mean anything in comparison to what Magic has accomplished throughout his career. Obviously comparing Kobe to Jordan is different than comparing Magic to Skiles but in effect the same reasoning applies.
i've seen MJ play. and kobe.. and i thank god i got see MJ play in the 80's till late 90's. to people says kobe is better than MJ. you don't know what your sayin. and i can't blame you for that. PEACE
@eflux562 And who might you be talking about? Wade,LJ,bosh,Duncan, hmmm, I guess that's it.lol I could start posting all the names GOD play with, but there isn't enough room on this post to do so! ;)
There is only one GOD in basketball, and only one GOD that made people all over the world want to watch our beloved NBA, and his name is GODJORDAN. check the ratings after Jordan retired in 1998 globally. NBC wasn't convinced about the new era, so they split later down the road.lol
How exactly are Kobe's stats better? MJ beats him in almost every single category, he averages 30+ shooting 50%, kobe averages 25+ shooting around 45%, MJ averages 34+ in the playoffs and even 40+ in the finals once! Kobe in post-season....lmfao dont' even mention it
Kobe scored 81 against the 2nd worst defensive team of the season, you are not a better scorer when you average less ppg and fg%, that's not being effective nor efficient i'm sorry, you need to learn more
@Sk8Nigga1996 :kobe is a better scorer?...how many scoring titles does kobe have again...2?...how many did jordan get? 10.....what was kobe's highest ppg for a season 35.4...& jordan? 37.1.....so tell me how kobe is a better scorer cuz of ONE game?....so i guess scott skills is a better passer than magic right?
@imsljr420 your looking at the wrong thing man... Kobe can definitely shoot the 3 way way way way better ... Jordan averaged 37 bc no one else on his team could do a damn thing and they didnt go far that year... They are similar dude just somewhat of a different era thats basically it... and kobe does flat out score ...plus the players now are way better than the teams back then ... jump higher shoot better .
@shogunMR : well isn't it the same thing with kobe,...he averaged 35.4 cuz the rest of his teammates weren't that good? & he also didn't get far that yr either....pus i would agree that kobe was a way way way better 3 pt shooter if kobe was shooting 40% & jordan 20% but they're not kobe is 34% & MJ is close to 33% so kobe is a better shooter but not way better.
@shogunMR : i think that the WING players are better now (bigs were better back then) but i also believe that has to do with the rules change....a guy like drexler who was averaging maybe 20 ppg would get 26 or 28 ppg in this era.....i think there was better shooter back then, but jumping higher does NOT make you better, jamario moon, james white (who can't even make the league) gerald green (slam dunk winner isn't in the NBA any more) are all high jumpers & aren't that good.
@imsljr420 im not saying jumping makes you better or didnt mean to say that but it hides a lot of flaws i should say Kinda like speed for a corner in the NFL some of them get beat but they make up ground with blazing speed...
Jordan averages more points, rebounds, assist, steals, fewer turnovers, shoots a higher fg percentage than Kobe. BUUUUUUt kobe entered right after high school and Jordan entered after his sofmore year in collage so jordan had more time to get better before entering the league .
You Kobe kids are so delusional it's not even funny. Kobe is not even in the top 5 players of all time, how can you keep up these ridiculous comparisons??? I mean seriously, these are facts. Mj has LITERALLY every category better stats and achievements than Kobe. + he already plays longer in the NBA than MJ ever did. In every single one of his finals he was surpassed by one of his team mates. +he plays in a sissy NBA without real defense.
@LAKid17 Hey bro I respect your opinion but you have alot of ignorent comments, your comparisons with kobe and jordan don't make any sense. And at the same time your comments are disrespecting the game of basketball I have so much to say I don't think it will fit. So ask me any question and I guarantee I will shut you down with facts!
Kobe is great, but jordan's got grace that kobe's mere skills can't match. rings, stats don't mean crap, in any case jordan still tops that, and remember jordan's rings are all consecutive, if he didn't take 2 years off playing baseball, he probably would have had 8.
Jordan wins "stats war", Kobe is better far as the what he can actually do on the court, his game is much more evolved. Very tough for Kobe to get past the "jordan mystique"
As of right now jordan is GOAT (it hurts me to say though b/c I'm LA fan)
But... if Kobe wins 7 rings he is equal if not better in my humble opinion
@rockyrack2 "Kobe can't do half the moves Jordan did"
Same is true if u worded that other way around (Jordan first..Kobe second)
Out of curiosity I'd like to know what moves kobe can't do b/c he "doesn't have the hands"... obviously having bigger hands helps u palm the ball better...but what else
i'm talking what they do on the court...not stats
@cespin3823: Lol... here we go. Tell me why, talent-wise. It doesnt take a genius to know both of their games are very similar. But MJ can do some better things than Kobe, and Kobe can do better things that MJ.
@LAKid17 : OFFENSE: dribbling: kobe is slightly better....shooting: kobe slightly better...footwork: tie....passing : tie......post up: jordan.....moving without the ball/ getting open for shots: jordan....attacking the basket: jordan....finishing the play after a hard foul : jordan...off. rebs: jordan......DEFENSE: man to man : jordan.....ball denial : jordan...team defense(playing the passing lane) jordan...i would bring up stats, accolades, & records but u didn't mention those.
@imsljr420: The areas I agree with you on MJ>KB are Open shots, attacking the basket, finishing, off rebs, and team defense, He is not better than him on ball denial, or man to man defense. Remember, Kobe cant handcheck and be extra physical with players like Jordan could have, but he still shut down Rondo in the Finals. Rondo in his era would probably be the second or 3rd best PG in the game. This era, defense is more team oriented, and not isolation. Therefore, more effective.
@imsljr420: Hitting tougher shots: Kobe. Scoring against isolation defense: Kobe. Work Ethic: Kobe. More offensively tooled: Kobe. More fundamentally sound: Kobe. Fadeaway: Kobe. Kobe has also been the most evolved basketball player. He's been a great bench player in his rookie year as an 18 year old, later evolving into the best SG in the game, and now into the best player in the NBA. I also forgot to mention that Kobe does not pass as equal as Jordan. MJ is the better facilitator. But let me
@LAKid17 hitting tougher shots, isolation defenses, work ethic, more offensively tooled -> kobe??? gtfo here!!! there are shots mj has made that kobe will never be able to make so put down the pipe fast! fadeaway -> kobe?? are u frigging insane. mj was pulling fadeaways at age 40 that is similar to what kobe pulls today. in his younger years mj abused double teams all day with fadeaways. you've obviously not seen mj played lest u wouldn't spew such crap
@crayrayc: MJ isnt God. He has flaws, believe it or not. How old are you? I bet some of you here defending MJ's throne havent even seen him play. MJ was more athletic because he had bigger hands. Hands that allow him to palm the ball more securely. There is no jumpshot MJ has made, that Kobe cant hit consistently. Just check out the shots he nailed against Portland as the young Kobe. That not only takes balls, but skills. MJ doesnt have the range Kobe has, and if we're talkig stats, just check
@LAKid17 : hitting tougher shots.....because he forces tough shots, jordan was too smart for that which is why his % is higher & so is his efficiency rating....work ethic...give proof that kobe works harder, tim gorve who trained jordan, kobe, lebron & wade has said jordan works hardest out of all them....i keep hearing about kobe being fundamental but back in the day commentators like isiah would always talk about jordan & his fundamental skills.
@imsljr420: ...and yes. MJ didnt gamble as much offensively. He didnt need to. He had a great athletic game, and had to go up against consistent isolation defense. Something Kobe said he dreams of. How else can he score with all 5 guys protecting the paint, and forming a zone+double teams. Did Jordan face it? Sure. But it doesnt mean its legal, therefore inconsistently there.
@LAKid17 : " you root for a guy to have a big scoring night maybe 30- 40 pt game but to see this guy do it every night & that was what stood out the most of any player i've ever seen" another quote of phil on jordan & don't forget he also said he feels jordan could average 45 in this era.
@LAKid17 : quote from 1987 ny times " last year jordan had to over come the harassment of zone traps & double & triple teams to win the scoring title averaging 37.1 ppg"....& kobe did play before they legalize zone & was held to 15 ppg on 36% shooting in the finals vs reggie miller who is not know for defense.
@imsljr420: Dude, its an opinion. He has his, I have mine. Does he have more credibility? Sure. But dont you think its a little biased? Its like me telling you Lamar Odom said Kobe is the GOAT. But, if you want to go there, Phil Jackson said Kobe is more skilled and the better shooter between the two. That MJ was just more athletic and I think he said better defender too.
@LAKid17 : phil also said jordan is the greatest player he's ever had & that he could consider him the greatest in the game....another quote " i don't think anyone will ever really touch what michael has done 4 the game, they maybe able to break a record or two or win more titles but michaels image as a player will always stand & his greatness will never be superseded" .
@LAKid17 jordan 4.3, 48 vertical, beast hands and strength >>> kobe
mj better dunker, more explosive, more accurate, wiser and incredible stamina/endurance >>> kobe. kobe is talented bball player don't get me wrong but he's pretty much copied mj's game to best he can but there is huge difference.
Jordan is the best.. I can never see a player get into the way jordan plays his game.. he is the best. The moves the style!! everything... MJ will always be the greatest legendary player of all time!!
Jordan is the best.. I can never see a player get into the way jordan plays his game.. he is the best. The moves the style!! everything... MJ will always be the greatest legendary player of all time!!
for the guy talking bout stats, lets just forget bout that and put togethter jordan at his prime and kobe now what people say is his prime, and any other top players in basketball past or present, and jordan is the most talentes and skilled regardless of stats, even if kobe gets 6+ rings it doesnt make better than MJ or even close to his skill/talent
u guys are mad dumb , Kobe and Jordan is so close , their style are similar. 6 ring and 5ring? thats the different . when they are young both good dunker . When they are old both good shooter.
for all u that are talking bout stats and saying that mj is better because of his stats, you have to understand the diffrence between the eras. Jordan is MOST DEF has the better legacy as it stands rite now but that doesnt mean that kobe isnt chasing him down...and if stats mean that much @cespin3823 then jordan wudnt be the greatest player ever, wilt chamberlain, bill russell, and oscar robertson wud all be considered better players than Jordan. There is a diffrence in eras....
@1234monkeypot : chamberlain? russell? why are you comparing centers to SGs?...besides rebs & blks what other stats do russell and wilt have over jordan? ppg? stls? assist? free throw shooting? 3 pt shooting?...this is to compare jordan and kobe two 6'6" SG...u got a point with oscar but what else did he accomplish that jordan didn't? no DPOY no 5 league MVPs no 6 final mvp for robertson...this era is made for perimeter players and kobe still can't match jordan.
every fact possible.. as great as kobe is.. he only owns 1 stat over jordan, PLAYOFF GAMES..other then that everything else is in jordans favor.. making a case for kobe being better is like making a case that T-mac is better then Kobe..If ur a Laker fan then stats wont mean anything to u..if u can make a case for kobe being better id love to hear it..
@crayrayc: out MJ's 3 point FG percentage. 35 year old MJ would beat prime Kobe? The same Kobe who dropped 81 points? See, this is where Im done debating with you. You lost all your credibility with that statement. I'll put down the pipe if you drop the jockstrap. It isnt a nose guard.
@LAKid17 yes 35 year old mj would beat prime kobe (81 pt kobe). mj still had around 80% of his athletism at this point and was peaking in skills at this point. you say kobe has unlimited range as if mj doesn't. it's just mj is better and can get off higher percentage shots consistently. how ironic that their 3 pt fg percentage is about the same and if kobe continues to base his game on jacking up 3s it'll only go lower. you should notice that kobe is already losing alot of his athletism now
@crayrayc: So in other words, "Kobe sucks. Jordan is the best. Jordan came in at 21 I think. you're telling me that he's gonna lose only 20% of his athleticism in 14 years? MJ isnt God. He's mortal just like you and I. ABout the same 3 point FG percentage? Dont you think you're coming off as biased? He's shot 13% from 3 at one point. You tell me who's more skilled offensively. Kobe can shoot from anywhere in the court. He can post up, go baseline, go inside, pull up, shoot over... just because
@LAKid17 kobe doesn't suck in terms of a nba player, but compared to what mj had to endure and comparing the stats/performance to mj he doesn't stand a chance. kobe plays in a league that is biased towards offense whereas mj played in a league that was geared towards physical and tough defense. not only that mj dominates kobe offensively and defensively. are you going to make up excuses for kobe having so much less steals and blocks compared to mj as well?
@crayrayc: he's losing his athleticism doesnt mena he's a worthless player. You cant work on being athletic. Being athletic is a gift. Not something you work on. And like I said, just because he saw zones, etc, doesnt mean it was legal. Its like me compiling players getting away with travels in the 80's and me saying it was legal. MJ didnt see it as consistently as Kobe did in this era.
@LAKid17 buddy look up how many 3 pt shots he attempted on his ~17% season. mj progressed his game from the inside out. when he was young he was so explosive he lived inside! as the double and triple teams started coming mj developed his outside shooting. you'll notice that by 89 mj started shooting more from outside because of the defenses that had been built around to stop him. go look up double team and you'll notice mj's name is used not kobe. why do you think that is??
@crayrayc: Dude, and Kobe didnt face double or triple teams? Heck he's had all 5 players focus on him. Thats what makes a zone tough. And dont bring up MJ's shitty defensive era. I dont buy that isolation defense is tougher than a zone. Even if handchecking was allowed. They say 2 is better than 1, and this is the case here. Kobe scored 81 in isolation defense and the 65 against the Blazers as well. Its too easy for him. Just because MJ averages more steals/blocks than Kobe doesnt mean he's
@LAKid17 holy crap you're actually trying to state that kobe is better defender than mj! dude you are such a frigging dumbass! seriously, kobe plays in a offensive era and he managed to score 81 on a very weak toronto raptors team. his highest scoring games are against weak defensive teams. compare that to mj who scores his highest pts against the best defensive teams. mj era is definitely tougher than now. "even if handchecking was allowed" -> you know nothing bout basketball so shut it
@crayrayc: the better defender. Shane Battier averaged 1.00 SPG in 07-08. Marko FREAKING Jaric averaged 1.24 SPG. Is Jaric the better defender? You saying this just shows your ignorance in some areas of the game. Dude, how the hell can he be the most doubled/tripled ever, when he lived in THE FREAKING ISOLATION DEFENSE ERA??? Go look up in the dictionary what Isolation means. That solely contradicts your theory. When its over Kobe will be in the Top 10? Isnt he already there? As for your theory
@LAKid17 kobe in mj's league at the lvl he's playing now would be average in mj's era. in fact he would solely have to rely on outside shooting which he's already starting to lose very badly. zone defense is what is used in college level basketball and great players can find ways to penetrate it easily. here's a hint -> it's called PASSING or EXPLODING pass the defense. MJ is the most doubled/tripled team player in history of nba NOT KOBE.
@LAKid17 go watch mj's shot against nets where he sliced through four defenders that clogged the lane and tell me at which point of mj's flight kobe would crash down cause you and i both know kobe is not capable of this shot. based on your assumptions i know you haven't seen mj play in his prime! if you did you would know what it means to be great day in and out. kobe's flash of brilliance doesn't measure up. sorry but it's true. w/ that said kobe will go down as top 10 player imho
@crayrayc : about 35 year old Kobe smoking a prime Kobe, Dont you remember the double nick he dropped on MJ? This is where Im done with you as well. You're so biased to give Kobe the slighest edge. Im not saying Kobe is better. Thats not the problem. MJ is clearly the best.... for now. You cant say Kobe isnt threatening his throne right now. 5 rings to his 6... and talent-wise, he isnt very far.
@LAKid17 i'll give prime kobe edge against a 40 year old mj but I restate that 35 year old mj would beat prime kobe. I've seen both play and know what kobe and mj is capable of. kobe basically copied mj's game especially his second comeback era and he was at his peak during prime however when i look at his fg% i know against a highly defensive player he will not be able to handle it. mj can fadeaway on kobe all day or just drive on him all day.
@LAKid17 mj who was 40 at the time was not guarding kobe so don't even go there! you're talking about 60% mj (prime) at this point and he was still a top player at 40. bringing up this kinda comparison only shows the retardedness of a kobetard. i think you've only seen mj play during this point of his career and if that is the case I'm sorry you never got to witness the GOAT. I've seen kobe play and he has flashes of brilliance but sorry not impressed. compared to true greatness kobe sucks
@crayrayc Ok for one we need to stop calling MJ the GOAT because he said that he doesn't consider himself that because he hasn't played against everybody. Kobe is a brilliant player in this time and era and yes he does dominate, MJ dominated in his time. If you lived back in the 70's you would probably be saying Julius Erving is the Goat, so respect the players as individuals to the sport there is no comparison Kobe isn't Mike and Mike isn't Kobe.BUT I RESPECT YOUR OPINION!!
@backdraft1420 who is "we"? I'll call mj the GOAT no doubts about it as well as alot of people whose watched him play. today's nba players have based their games off of mj and none has lived up to his level. i'll be happy to not compare the GOAT against a wannabe but it would be an injustice to allow dumb remarks about mj just to bring wannabe closer to his level. when you hear comments like oh mj played in easier era and he's not as complete player as wannabe! it's like wtf?? just sayin
call me when kobe can average 50 percent throughout a full nba season, call me when kobe have 7 50 pts games during the playoffs and then score 50 in the finals
midwestking100 3 days ago
I was just talking to my friend last night..... there will never be another player like Michael Jordan again. I can bet everything on that. He came up big EVERYTIME, and his play in the playoffs is unmatched by any.
SaMiAm702 1 week ago
brat kobeee!
gredaish 2 weeks ago
Compare their defensive play and you'll see clearly that MJ was far better player than Kobe.
kuladovla 2 weeks ago
Two the biggest player in NBA all the time! <3 a both
DonBanePetkovic 2 weeks ago
1:04!
jogiraman 2 weeks ago
great vid thanks
JOE11096 2 weeks ago
Enough for the comparison between these two players. Jordan was far superior than Kobe. Kobe is just a poor copy of MJ that's all.
ilocos78 1 month ago
Folks! Michael Jordan's FG% (.445) at age 40 against younger players of today's NBA is far better than Kobe's pathetic FG% of .402 this season. LOL! Kobe is just an overhyped player who love to shoot with a mediocre career shooting FG%. I said it before and I'll say it again, after all said and done, Kobe will own one of the lowest FG% in NBA history. He's just an overhyped ballhog player who always force his shots and lucky to be surrounded with consistent and great monolith players.
ilocos78 1 month ago
kobie is great player no doubt , but common people be real nobody will ever be better than his airnes
brabbit189 1 month ago
有幾幕接的超好的~
hau7341 1 month ago
kobe is better than jordan
lkjujh11 1 month ago
@lkjujh11
Prove it.
Hawkhunter07 1 month ago
@lkjujh11 NO HE ISN'T, JORDAN IS THE GREATEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD WHO HAD STEPPED ON THE COURT
adeligero 1 month ago
MJ=g.o.a.t. easily. The epitome of a leader.
markuseraccount 2 months ago
扯ㄟ
NoirHuang 2 months ago
let the stupid arguments begin..
Agrewal009 2 months ago in playlist favs
@imsljr420 you dont know anything about basketball lol kobe plays exactly like jordan he cant get as much seperation anymore because hes ben playing for 15 years, name another guy who averaged above 25 in their 15th year, you cant so shut the fawk up
unbeatable24 4 months ago
NO. he is not next.
bangkok147 4 months ago
kobe and mj both great
MrSpicer7 4 months ago
@MrSpicer7 ya they both are but i prefer kobe
954454333 4 months ago
fuck you guys, what the hell, kobeeeee bryannnt all the way fuk haters, kobes better than michael................... you guys are just jealous cuz kobes better, and kobe bryant plays better team, wen michael jordan played in the nba their wasnt as many good teams, now theirs like 10 good as teams in the nba, what now? huh? i give respect for michael but kobes my idol
954454333 4 months ago
@954454333 This is your brain on drugs
Cooley96 4 months ago
@954454333 kobe will never be better than michael jordan!
try going 6 for 6 and being the mvp every time...
BIGOHIONUTS2 4 months ago
@BIGOHIONUTS2 kobes still better no matter what, kobe still has 5 more years ahead of him and i know that hes still gunna get another one
954454333 4 months ago
@954454333 kobe still lost, and he only has to 2 finals MVPs, MJ has 6...
but anyways i'm gonna take kobe's word for it when he said jordan is better!
BIGOHIONUTS2 4 months ago
@954454333 Kobe even said that micheal is the greatest player of all time. He revolutionized basketball.
1017Wildcat 4 months ago
@954454333 : kobe wasn't even the best player on his team when they 3peat....& then when he was he couldn't even lead his team to a 3peat.....he only has 2 scoring titles while iverson got 4 & they both started in 96...he has 0 DPOY awards & only 1 MVP while his own teammate artest has 1 DPOY & nash has 2 MVP's....and yet somehow he's better than jordan?....sorry but he's not even close to jordan.
imsljr420 4 months ago 2
everyone hates Kobe because he's the closest to Jordan and people (media) don't want to have another Jordan and there won't be but also there won't be another Kobe
zISUBZEROIz 4 months ago
call me when jordan has 81 points in a game
LiLxDuB15 4 months ago 2
@LiLxDuB15
Call me when Kobe can score 63 pints against of the best defensive teams during hand check era in the playoffs. Kobe scored 81 against weak ass team like Raptors in regular season, Jordan's highest was 69, you don't think he can score 11 more points?
And jordan had overall better stat in their best games. MJ: 69 pt - 18 reb - 6 ast - 4 st - 1 blk - 2 to's - 62.1 fg%
KB: 81 pt - 6 reb - 2 ast - 3 st - 1 blk - 3 to's - 60.8 fg%
TrafalgarIaw 4 months ago
Kobe can't even drink from the same gatorade as Michael.
comparing the MJ's to anyone is kinda suicidal, argument-wise.
and to the moron who writes "kobe played in more competitive era" simply because the spurs have won 4 rings...FOOL. The reason for that is Kobe wasn't good enough to deny everyone of his time a ring, as Mike did. ...and that's even with all the Laker aid from the refs thru the years. They never call out of bounds on those fuckers... Im long over the so called lake show.
NewWorldRob 5 months ago
Kobe was hand down the heart and soul of all 5 Lakers title. Shaq had his part like scottie had his. Kobe is the greatest player ever because he did it during a era in which the competetion was greater. There were no other championship teams in the 90's. Kobe's done his damage in the midst of another dynasty in the Spurs.
MrTC521 6 months ago
@MrTC521 I shud fuck u up for saying shaq was pippen for the 1st 3 titles.
tonychoitellem 6 months ago
@tonychoitellem Jordan played against the '90s Knicks. Imagine John Starks & Gerald Wilkins trading off handchecking you all over the court. Imagine being bodied up, held, grabbed, chucked and wrapped up away from the ball by the likes of McDaniel, Ewing, Mason & Oakley. Imagine attacking the basket, and you have those angry guys salivating at the chance to knock you into the front row! The defenses from Jordan's era were consistent in limiting the perimeter super talents from taking over games.
gmn545 6 months ago
@tonychoitellem Oops, my bad. My response was to MrTC521.
gmn545 6 months ago
@MrTC521 "during a era in which the competetion was greater" Really?..
"Our rules are [focused] on keeping the middle [open] to offer [more opportunities] for players to [cut & penetrate] to the basket. When we [disallowed] the use of the [hand] & [forearm] to the [body], the [defensive 3-second rule] in [conjunction] with the [hand check] interpretation [gave] offensive players on the [perimeter], [more] offensive [freedom]."
-Stu Jackson; NBA Exec. VP of Operations, May 5, 2007
gmn545 6 months ago
plus, even though Kobe's gotten better at blending scoring with setting others up, that was never really a problem with MJ.
People thought MJ became a better passer over time; he was always a good passer, it's just that he had better teammates later. The Bulls actually moved him to the point for a time late in the 1989 season and he had (I think) 9 triple-doubles.
Also, incredibly, MJ had TWO seasons of 100-plus steals and 100-plus blocks. It's not even close.
makeitrain47 7 months ago 2
@makeitrain47 kobe has better moves than mj and they are both amazing at mid range i'd say its a tie
25nballstar 6 months ago
my argument to end all arguments: MJ was the heart and soul of all 6 Bulls title teams, without a doubt.
Kobe has 5 rings, but I actually give Shaq more credit for the first 3, and even the last two, it's questionable whether Kobe was really the one responsible. If not for Pau emerging into a force inside and Ron's big time Game 7 (in which Kobe shot 6 for 24), the Lakers wouldn't have won those titles.
makeitrain47 7 months ago 2
@makeitrain47 so scotty should get the mvp for the bulls finals too then? your saying kobe wasnt the reason they won in 09? so 33 ppg 5 rpg and 8apg isnt the heart and soul but 18 and 9 is. so should scotty get the mvps too for the bulls finals too? how about 28.6ppg 8.8 rpg and 5apg isnt the heart of the team but 18 and 11 is? you wanna say artest hit 2 clutch shots so he was the heart of the team? he shot 5-16 that night. how about you look up the box score and see how bad everyone shot.
staininirvana 7 months ago
the funniest thing was shaqs face lmao
thecoon96 7 months ago
@LebronKiingJames out of all the players you named, kobe is the closest to jordan, and plays exactly like him. they were both above the rim players in their youth they were still good shooters then. as they got older and slower they both developed a great post game and mid range game. kobe wants to be better then jordan, i mean look at his number choices, 24 is 1 higher than 23 and kobes olympic number is 10 and jordans is 9, thats no coincedence
unbeatable24 7 months ago
@unbeatable24 : kobe plays nothing like jordan.......kobe can't create separation so he just jacks up a wild shot while jordan gets by his defender & either goes to the bucket or gets himself open for a clean shot
imsljr420 4 months ago
hate all you want! Kobe can ball his ass off!
checkm81 7 months ago
kobe is not even close. neither is lebron, neither is wade or durant or any of those guys. MJ brought the most intimidation to any team and could win multiple rings with ANYBODY. if he was not on the bulls, he would have made a different player be just like scottie pippen. give him ANYBODY and he will make them great.. ANYONE. if he was on LA, he would have gotten the 3 finals MVPs, not Shaq. Kobe let shaq get them, but if it was MJ, he would have gotten them. never compare anyone to jordan
LebronKiingJames 8 months ago
@LebronKiingJames no way dude he wouldnt make just anyone better. he wouldnt make Tyron korbin better he didnt make craig hodges better... jordan aint god he is just great or greatest . Pippen sucked to me when he moved to other teams he was garbage. Barkley thinks he is the best of all time and doesnt have a ring.
shogunMR 7 months ago
@DJlondy95 he has 5 rings duh and his career isnt over ... what are you talking about ... Bill Russell has 11 rings so does that make him better than jordan ... come on ... Pippen has rings does that make him better than Lebron hell no... Bill Cartwright has rings does that make him better than Dwight Howard hell no. John Paxson has rings does that make him better than Steve Nash hell no.
shogunMR 8 months ago
this should be titled kobe copyin jordan
TheEaglesfanindc 8 months ago
@TheEaglesfanindc hey anyone that can even copy him a little is good lol.... but lets face it we all want to be like the best. even when you ball up paper and toss it into the trash you still count down and think your one of the best ...3,2,1 swish
shogunMR 8 months ago
Kobe is NOT even close! Jordan would never get swept in the playoffs like kobe does now!
airHaakon 9 months ago
There isnt much of a comparison. The biggest difference between them is playoff time. MJ was always a beast in the playoffs and Kobe .....well he usually just looks like any other player in the playoffs. Only young dudes who didnt watch MJ throughout his career are dumb enough to say Kobe is better. What they really are saying is they LIKE Kobe better because they get to watch him play.
ReALiTeeChEkk 9 months ago
@ReALiTeeChEkk ok stop it just stop it first off your comparing them for some reason obviously bc they are similar so stop it ... your acting like kobe is garbage ... he was hurt dude the ankle a sever sprain its a fact. And Jordan is awesome and before him DR Jay was the man. I guess winning back to back titles 09 and 2010 didnt matter ... he obviously was hurt... 17pts dude you know good and well he gets that in his sleep. Who cares if he isnt Jordan no one is and no one is Kobe period..
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR , uhhh my 1st sentence said THERE ISNT MUCH OF A COMPARISON. I'm not comparing them, i'm saying they shouldnt be compared. I didnt say anything close to "Kobe is garbage". I've heard all the excuses by Kobe fans, hurt ankle, hurt, knee, other players fault, coaches fault, etc. Dr. J was only "the man" if your talking innovative moves, but Bird and Magic were both better players. Gasol outplayed Kobe at times in their back to back titles and Shaq was the main man in the other 3.
ReALiTeeChEkk 8 months ago
@ReALiTeeChEkk bro i see what your saying but to say Gasol outplayed Kobe is rediculous they both fed off of each other ... thats why so many teams now have more than one star so to speak. and in 08 when they lost in the playoffs it was because Gasol was soft and to me it takes more than one player now a days. IM a fan of Jordan, Kobe, Magic and so on. Bird is awesome im just saying i dont think he is up there in the top 5 to me more like top 10ish and thats still greatness. they lost oh well
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR, Of course teammates feed off each other but there were times when Gasol was doing more for the team than Kobe. Alot of people think Gasol should have been Finals MVP in at least one of those. Then like i said Shaq was the main man with the other 3 titles. My point is, Jordan was always the man on his team and no one ever outplayed him in the finals, teammates or opponents. So thats why i say Kobe dont compare to MJ. I agree Gasol is soft at times.
ReALiTeeChEkk 8 months ago
Even Larry Bird would have schooled Kobe Bryant.
I mean WTF is the NBA now?
It's a complete circus compared to old NBA. It's all a bunch of steroid taking ghetto mofo's who are all flash and no substance.
kingmafi6699 9 months ago
@kingmafi6699 the guys today would shit on alot of the guys back then
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR
The guys before would shit on alot of players today.
kingmafi6699 8 months ago
LakerZ new jam
add the (w)(w)(w).youtube.com/watch?v=WugQKj1sWOA
dvs1338 9 months ago
fuck yall dumbass bitches suck my dick
kobe all day
Sk8Nigga1996 9 months ago
@Sk8Nigga1996 I hope to god that you dont follow the playoffs
airHaakon 9 months ago
@Sk8Nigga1996 all day all they can say was he got swept like other great hadnt gotten beat in the playoffs ... and we compare him to Jordan bc he is the best people just dont understand do they ...
shogunMR 8 months ago
As a Celtic fan it's painful to admit Kobe is indeed one of the greatest players of all time. Better than Jordan? No
MikeNvS 9 months ago
@MikeNvS yes the best ! glad a Celtic fan can admit that .....even though you guys have the best 3 pointer of all time .....
gt350skyline 9 months ago
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kobe wants to be kobe because he was and is better than jordan
24lakersblackmamba 9 months ago
kobe wants to be kobe because he was and is better than jordan
24lakersblackmamba 9 months ago
@24lakersblackmamba : kobe failed to even come close to jordan's greatness.
imsljr420 9 months ago
@24lakersblackmamba Jordan would never give up like kobe did in the playoffs he would get his team together. I feel sorry for phil
airHaakon 9 months ago
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shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR Bad ankles phh. FLU game in the finals
airHaakon 8 months ago
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@airHaakon oh stop Kobe was hurt ... the ankle dude... Kobe never gives up never your crazy how u say he gives up when he has 5 rings ... 5 dude ... they just won the title the last 2 years back to back so i guess every other team that didnt win last year gave up ... thats rediculous
shogunMR 8 months ago
@24lakersblackmamba couldnt have said it better myself
LiLxDuB15 4 months ago
kobe wants to be kobe because he knew he was better than jordan
24lakersblackmamba 9 months ago
call me when jordan has an 81 game or when he does a 360 dunk
24lakersblackmamba 9 months ago
@24lakersblackmamba Call me when Kobe doesn't get kicked out of the 2nd round of the playoffs after winning back to back championships. Call me when Kobe can score 54 points in 3 quarters in the playoffs. Call me when Kobe can score 50 points 8 times in the playoffs. Call me when Kobe scores 50 in three different eras.
UR2H 9 months ago
@UR2H You have lost your mind ... back to back titles bro... you cant win them all... ya they got swept he was hurt BFD ... Jordan is awesome and how come we all compare kobe to him bc he must be just as good or up near that level. and why does he have to score 50... you know nothing about basketball if you think Kobe is garbage ... who cares who scores 50 big effin deal... and its a team sport kobe aint the only one duh
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR Dumbass read the context of the comment and who it was directed to.
Nowhere in my comment do I say Kobe is "garbage."
My comment is directed to 24lakersblackmamba...maybe you should read his comments first then relate why I left a comment like the one I did before you start jumping to conclusions and going all ape shit.
UR2H 8 months ago
@UR2H DUDE relax Kobe is great at least i think so get over it ... Dominique is great to me also but gets no props. Im one of a few that thinks Barkley was good but not great just what i think thats all. I also dont like Tim Duncan but got to say he good and i hate the MailMan Karl Malone but he good too ughhh lol!!!
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR Nique gets plenty of respect. A top 50 all time great, top 10 all time small forward and HOF inductee. He just happened to play in an era with Jordan, Bird and Magic so he was a bit overshadowed. To me Barkely is a top 5 all time PF. No other player in history had 15 straight seasons averaging double double with points and rebounds. That alone is an incredible feat. I don't like Duncan or Malone either. Malone is a choke artist...and dirty. Duncan is just boring to watch.
UR2H 8 months ago
@UR2H i know what you mean about Barkley. I guess i just dont like his arrogance, ya know what i mean like some people are great at what they do regardless what it is and as soon as they open their mouth you just dont like them, i know thats not right but thats how it is, especially when he has won nothing and he talks as IF he won everything. BUT he is great your right. He can rebound, shoot and post up well at 6'4-6'5 even shoot 3's when he's on his game ....
shogunMR 8 months ago
@UR2H i loath duncan
Moonsz8 6 months ago
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tiger1649 11 months ago
KOBE all day 24
THUTCHINSON004 11 months ago
@THUTCHINSON004 lol yeah mj 365! kobe's best games is mj's average games
crayrayc 11 months ago
Here is my top 3 players of all time.
1. GOD Jordan
2. Son - prophet Magic
3. Holy spirit- Bird
Enough said...
hushg2000 1 year ago
@hushg2000 bird is great but cant even be in the same sentence as Jordan and Magic im sorry
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR Why can't Bird be in the same sentence as Jordan and Magic?
UR2H 8 months ago
@UR2H thats just me bro ... I dont know what it is. no disrespect. im just sayin Jordan and magic are on a whole other planet TO ME that is. I mean Birds One of the greats no doubt. i guess he just didnt wow me as a watcher or as a player i never said i wanna be like bird ... BUT HE IS GREAT ...
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR Kobe is an all time great. That's not the issue. These Kobe fans who always bring up 2 or 3 great performances by Kobe as the reason why he is better than Jordan is just dumb. IMO Magic is the best pure passer ever. Scott Skiles holds the most assists in a game record but that doesn't mean anything in comparison to what Magic has accomplished throughout his career. Obviously comparing Kobe to Jordan is different than comparing Magic to Skiles but in effect the same reasoning applies.
UR2H 8 months ago
i've seen MJ play. and kobe.. and i thank god i got see MJ play in the 80's till late 90's. to people says kobe is better than MJ. you don't know what your sayin. and i can't blame you for that. PEACE
humwen2805 1 year ago
@humwen2805 if there were no MJ what would we be saying about kobe!
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR That statement right there tells us all who is the greatest. Jordan is the greatest and its not even close really
hawgs21 7 months ago
MJ Obviously..
steelersfanatic23 1 year ago
they r both awesome players!
tostadizimo 1 year ago
F the stats! .Jordan's time: vs very FEW competition. Kobe's time & present : vs A LOT of competition . you're welcome!
eflux562 1 year ago 2
@eflux562 And who might you be talking about? Wade,LJ,bosh,Duncan, hmmm, I guess that's it.lol I could start posting all the names GOD play with, but there isn't enough room on this post to do so! ;)
There is only one GOD in basketball, and only one GOD that made people all over the world want to watch our beloved NBA, and his name is GODJORDAN. check the ratings after Jordan retired in 1998 globally. NBC wasn't convinced about the new era, so they split later down the road.lol
hushg2000 1 year ago
@eflux562 couldnt of said that better ...
shogunMR 8 months ago
@megatroll u r a dumbass kobe's stats r better kobe is a way better scorer than mj has mj ever scored 81. mj is just more entertaining ti watch
Sk8Nigga1996 1 year ago
@Sk8Nigga1996
How exactly are Kobe's stats better? MJ beats him in almost every single category, he averages 30+ shooting 50%, kobe averages 25+ shooting around 45%, MJ averages 34+ in the playoffs and even 40+ in the finals once! Kobe in post-season....lmfao dont' even mention it
Kobe scored 81 against the 2nd worst defensive team of the season, you are not a better scorer when you average less ppg and fg%, that's not being effective nor efficient i'm sorry, you need to learn more
Hawkhunter07 1 year ago
@Sk8Nigga1996 :kobe is a better scorer?...how many scoring titles does kobe have again...2?...how many did jordan get? 10.....what was kobe's highest ppg for a season 35.4...& jordan? 37.1.....so tell me how kobe is a better scorer cuz of ONE game?....so i guess scott skills is a better passer than magic right?
imsljr420 1 year ago
@imsljr420 your looking at the wrong thing man... Kobe can definitely shoot the 3 way way way way better ... Jordan averaged 37 bc no one else on his team could do a damn thing and they didnt go far that year... They are similar dude just somewhat of a different era thats basically it... and kobe does flat out score ...plus the players now are way better than the teams back then ... jump higher shoot better .
shogunMR 8 months ago
@shogunMR : well isn't it the same thing with kobe,...he averaged 35.4 cuz the rest of his teammates weren't that good? & he also didn't get far that yr either....pus i would agree that kobe was a way way way better 3 pt shooter if kobe was shooting 40% & jordan 20% but they're not kobe is 34% & MJ is close to 33% so kobe is a better shooter but not way better.
imsljr420 8 months ago
@shogunMR : i think that the WING players are better now (bigs were better back then) but i also believe that has to do with the rules change....a guy like drexler who was averaging maybe 20 ppg would get 26 or 28 ppg in this era.....i think there was better shooter back then, but jumping higher does NOT make you better, jamario moon, james white (who can't even make the league) gerald green (slam dunk winner isn't in the NBA any more) are all high jumpers & aren't that good.
imsljr420 8 months ago
@imsljr420 im not saying jumping makes you better or didnt mean to say that but it hides a lot of flaws i should say Kinda like speed for a corner in the NFL some of them get beat but they make up ground with blazing speed...
shogunMR 8 months ago
@Sk8Nigga1996 are u gay???????
scooby8804 9 months ago
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Jordan averages more points, rebounds, assist, steals, fewer turnovers, shoots a higher fg percentage than Kobe. BUUUUUUt kobe entered right after high school and Jordan entered after his sofmore year in collage so jordan had more time to get better before entering the league .
popomora 1 year ago
You Kobe kids are so delusional it's not even funny. Kobe is not even in the top 5 players of all time, how can you keep up these ridiculous comparisons??? I mean seriously, these are facts. Mj has LITERALLY every category better stats and achievements than Kobe. + he already plays longer in the NBA than MJ ever did. In every single one of his finals he was surpassed by one of his team mates. +he plays in a sissy NBA without real defense.
I can't understand where you're coming from.
Get real
megatroll 1 year ago
kobe is goat
devink2 1 year ago
sometimes i think kobe is more clean with his drives idk
stikkybudz42 1 year ago
Kwame Brown > Jordan and kobe
MoneyMayweather007 1 year ago
@LAKid17 Hey bro I respect your opinion but you have alot of ignorent comments, your comparisons with kobe and jordan don't make any sense. And at the same time your comments are disrespecting the game of basketball I have so much to say I don't think it will fit. So ask me any question and I guarantee I will shut you down with facts!
backdraft1420 1 year ago
Kobe is great, but jordan's got grace that kobe's mere skills can't match. rings, stats don't mean crap, in any case jordan still tops that, and remember jordan's rings are all consecutive, if he didn't take 2 years off playing baseball, he probably would have had 8.
jzhuo 1 year ago
@jzhuo "if he didn't take 2 years off playing baseball, he probably would have had 8"
if grandma had balls she'd be grandpa
MBWC1 1 year ago
Kobe is my favorite player but Jordan was first Kobe is great but he's no Jordan
tttubbie 1 year ago
Jordan wins "stats war", Kobe is better far as the what he can actually do on the court, his game is much more evolved. Very tough for Kobe to get past the "jordan mystique"
As of right now jordan is GOAT (it hurts me to say though b/c I'm LA fan)
But... if Kobe wins 7 rings he is equal if not better in my humble opinion
MBWC1 1 year ago
@MBWC1 You clearly never saw Jordan in his prime, Kobe can't do half the moves Jordan did, he doesn't have the hands.
rockyrack2 1 year ago
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@rockyrack2 "Kobe can't do half the moves Jordan did"
Same is true if u worded that other way around (Jordan first..Kobe second)
Out of curiosity I'd like to know what moves kobe can't do b/c he "doesn't have the hands"... obviously having bigger hands helps u palm the ball better...but what else
i'm talking what they do on the court...not stats
MBWC1 1 year ago
@MBWC1 : jordan also wins in accolades, records held, efficiency, better offensive & defensive player.
imsljr420 1 year ago
For those who say Kobe isnt even close to MJ, lose their credibility. How is it NOT close?
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 ur from LA kid.. u wouldnt understand..Kobe is nowhere near jordan
cespin3823 1 year ago
@cespin3823: Lol... here we go. Tell me why, talent-wise. It doesnt take a genius to know both of their games are very similar. But MJ can do some better things than Kobe, and Kobe can do better things that MJ.
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 : OFFENSE: dribbling: kobe is slightly better....shooting: kobe slightly better...footwork: tie....passing : tie......post up: jordan.....moving without the ball/ getting open for shots: jordan....attacking the basket: jordan....finishing the play after a hard foul : jordan...off. rebs: jordan......DEFENSE: man to man : jordan.....ball denial : jordan...team defense(playing the passing lane) jordan...i would bring up stats, accolades, & records but u didn't mention those.
imsljr420 1 year ago
@imsljr420: The areas I agree with you on MJ>KB are Open shots, attacking the basket, finishing, off rebs, and team defense, He is not better than him on ball denial, or man to man defense. Remember, Kobe cant handcheck and be extra physical with players like Jordan could have, but he still shut down Rondo in the Finals. Rondo in his era would probably be the second or 3rd best PG in the game. This era, defense is more team oriented, and not isolation. Therefore, more effective.
LAKid17 1 year ago
@imsljr420: Hitting tougher shots: Kobe. Scoring against isolation defense: Kobe. Work Ethic: Kobe. More offensively tooled: Kobe. More fundamentally sound: Kobe. Fadeaway: Kobe. Kobe has also been the most evolved basketball player. He's been a great bench player in his rookie year as an 18 year old, later evolving into the best SG in the game, and now into the best player in the NBA. I also forgot to mention that Kobe does not pass as equal as Jordan. MJ is the better facilitator. But let me
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 hitting tougher shots, isolation defenses, work ethic, more offensively tooled -> kobe??? gtfo here!!! there are shots mj has made that kobe will never be able to make so put down the pipe fast! fadeaway -> kobe?? are u frigging insane. mj was pulling fadeaways at age 40 that is similar to what kobe pulls today. in his younger years mj abused double teams all day with fadeaways. you've obviously not seen mj played lest u wouldn't spew such crap
crayrayc 1 year ago
@crayrayc: MJ isnt God. He has flaws, believe it or not. How old are you? I bet some of you here defending MJ's throne havent even seen him play. MJ was more athletic because he had bigger hands. Hands that allow him to palm the ball more securely. There is no jumpshot MJ has made, that Kobe cant hit consistently. Just check out the shots he nailed against Portland as the young Kobe. That not only takes balls, but skills. MJ doesnt have the range Kobe has, and if we're talkig stats, just check
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 : hitting tougher shots.....because he forces tough shots, jordan was too smart for that which is why his % is higher & so is his efficiency rating....work ethic...give proof that kobe works harder, tim gorve who trained jordan, kobe, lebron & wade has said jordan works hardest out of all them....i keep hearing about kobe being fundamental but back in the day commentators like isiah would always talk about jordan & his fundamental skills.
imsljr420 1 year ago
@imsljr420: ...and yes. MJ didnt gamble as much offensively. He didnt need to. He had a great athletic game, and had to go up against consistent isolation defense. Something Kobe said he dreams of. How else can he score with all 5 guys protecting the paint, and forming a zone+double teams. Did Jordan face it? Sure. But it doesnt mean its legal, therefore inconsistently there.
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 : " you root for a guy to have a big scoring night maybe 30- 40 pt game but to see this guy do it every night & that was what stood out the most of any player i've ever seen" another quote of phil on jordan & don't forget he also said he feels jordan could average 45 in this era.
imsljr420 1 year ago
@LAKid17 : quote from 1987 ny times " last year jordan had to over come the harassment of zone traps & double & triple teams to win the scoring title averaging 37.1 ppg"....& kobe did play before they legalize zone & was held to 15 ppg on 36% shooting in the finals vs reggie miller who is not know for defense.
imsljr420 1 year ago
@LAKid17 : i also think creative with dunks : kobe...& i mean during the game but im sure in a dunk contest jordan would win.
imsljr420 1 year ago
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LAKid17 1 year ago
@imsljr420: Dude, its an opinion. He has his, I have mine. Does he have more credibility? Sure. But dont you think its a little biased? Its like me telling you Lamar Odom said Kobe is the GOAT. But, if you want to go there, Phil Jackson said Kobe is more skilled and the better shooter between the two. That MJ was just more athletic and I think he said better defender too.
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 : phil also said jordan is the greatest player he's ever had & that he could consider him the greatest in the game....another quote " i don't think anyone will ever really touch what michael has done 4 the game, they maybe able to break a record or two or win more titles but michaels image as a player will always stand & his greatness will never be superseded" .
imsljr420 1 year ago
@imsljr420 ask you: Why isnt the comparison close? Whats so gapping about their talent? TALENT. Not accolades.
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 jordan 4.3, 48 vertical, beast hands and strength >>> kobe
mj better dunker, more explosive, more accurate, wiser and incredible stamina/endurance >>> kobe. kobe is talented bball player don't get me wrong but he's pretty much copied mj's game to best he can but there is huge difference.
crayrayc 1 year ago
All this video showed is that Kobe tried to copy Michael Jordan, but he failed.
thewolfmanchu 1 year ago
Jordan is the best.. I can never see a player get into the way jordan plays his game.. he is the best. The moves the style!! everything... MJ will always be the greatest legendary player of all time!!
khael1123 1 year ago
Jordan is the best.. I can never see a player get into the way jordan plays his game.. he is the best. The moves the style!! everything... MJ will always be the greatest legendary player of all time!!
khael1123 1 year ago
for the guy talking bout stats, lets just forget bout that and put togethter jordan at his prime and kobe now what people say is his prime, and any other top players in basketball past or present, and jordan is the most talentes and skilled regardless of stats, even if kobe gets 6+ rings it doesnt make better than MJ or even close to his skill/talent
mntz321 1 year ago
@mntz321 LOL keep thinking that
YoungBeta 1 year ago
u guys are mad dumb , Kobe and Jordan is so close , their style are similar. 6 ring and 5ring? thats the different . when they are young both good dunker . When they are old both good shooter.
shengchow 1 year ago
for all u that are talking bout stats and saying that mj is better because of his stats, you have to understand the diffrence between the eras. Jordan is MOST DEF has the better legacy as it stands rite now but that doesnt mean that kobe isnt chasing him down...and if stats mean that much @cespin3823 then jordan wudnt be the greatest player ever, wilt chamberlain, bill russell, and oscar robertson wud all be considered better players than Jordan. There is a diffrence in eras....
1234monkeypot 1 year ago 2
@1234monkeypot mj was in the golden era of the nba. there was alot of talent then many of those guys changed the game
Fakyou321 1 year ago
@1234monkeypot shutup.... now kobe is nothing but a copy of jordan and isnt as good. lebron is a better player than kobe
smiffay35 1 year ago
@1234monkeypot : chamberlain? russell? why are you comparing centers to SGs?...besides rebs & blks what other stats do russell and wilt have over jordan? ppg? stls? assist? free throw shooting? 3 pt shooting?...this is to compare jordan and kobe two 6'6" SG...u got a point with oscar but what else did he accomplish that jordan didn't? no DPOY no 5 league MVPs no 6 final mvp for robertson...this era is made for perimeter players and kobe still can't match jordan.
imsljr420 1 year ago
every fact possible.. as great as kobe is.. he only owns 1 stat over jordan, PLAYOFF GAMES..other then that everything else is in jordans favor.. making a case for kobe being better is like making a case that T-mac is better then Kobe..If ur a Laker fan then stats wont mean anything to u..if u can make a case for kobe being better id love to hear it..
cespin3823 1 year ago
kobe the best
virusrojito 1 year ago
kobe, the best to ever play the game
2kking4reel 1 year ago
@2kking4reel
not even close
cespin3823 1 year ago
@cespin3823 if you say so...
2kking4reel 1 year ago
@2kking4reel
i dont say so, the Facts say so..
NOT EVEN CLOSE
cespin3823 1 year ago
@cespin3823 lol what facts?
2kking4reel 1 year ago
@2kking4reel not close at all! mj would beast kobe prime vs prime. even 35 vs prime kobe mj would win... it'll be closer but kobe would lose.
crayrayc 1 year ago
@crayrayc: out MJ's 3 point FG percentage. 35 year old MJ would beat prime Kobe? The same Kobe who dropped 81 points? See, this is where Im done debating with you. You lost all your credibility with that statement. I'll put down the pipe if you drop the jockstrap. It isnt a nose guard.
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 yes 35 year old mj would beat prime kobe (81 pt kobe). mj still had around 80% of his athletism at this point and was peaking in skills at this point. you say kobe has unlimited range as if mj doesn't. it's just mj is better and can get off higher percentage shots consistently. how ironic that their 3 pt fg percentage is about the same and if kobe continues to base his game on jacking up 3s it'll only go lower. you should notice that kobe is already losing alot of his athletism now
crayrayc 1 year ago
@crayrayc: So in other words, "Kobe sucks. Jordan is the best. Jordan came in at 21 I think. you're telling me that he's gonna lose only 20% of his athleticism in 14 years? MJ isnt God. He's mortal just like you and I. ABout the same 3 point FG percentage? Dont you think you're coming off as biased? He's shot 13% from 3 at one point. You tell me who's more skilled offensively. Kobe can shoot from anywhere in the court. He can post up, go baseline, go inside, pull up, shoot over... just because
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 kobe doesn't suck in terms of a nba player, but compared to what mj had to endure and comparing the stats/performance to mj he doesn't stand a chance. kobe plays in a league that is biased towards offense whereas mj played in a league that was geared towards physical and tough defense. not only that mj dominates kobe offensively and defensively. are you going to make up excuses for kobe having so much less steals and blocks compared to mj as well?
crayrayc 1 year ago
@crayrayc: he's losing his athleticism doesnt mena he's a worthless player. You cant work on being athletic. Being athletic is a gift. Not something you work on. And like I said, just because he saw zones, etc, doesnt mean it was legal. Its like me compiling players getting away with travels in the 80's and me saying it was legal. MJ didnt see it as consistently as Kobe did in this era.
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 buddy look up how many 3 pt shots he attempted on his ~17% season. mj progressed his game from the inside out. when he was young he was so explosive he lived inside! as the double and triple teams started coming mj developed his outside shooting. you'll notice that by 89 mj started shooting more from outside because of the defenses that had been built around to stop him. go look up double team and you'll notice mj's name is used not kobe. why do you think that is??
crayrayc 1 year ago
@crayrayc: Dude, and Kobe didnt face double or triple teams? Heck he's had all 5 players focus on him. Thats what makes a zone tough. And dont bring up MJ's shitty defensive era. I dont buy that isolation defense is tougher than a zone. Even if handchecking was allowed. They say 2 is better than 1, and this is the case here. Kobe scored 81 in isolation defense and the 65 against the Blazers as well. Its too easy for him. Just because MJ averages more steals/blocks than Kobe doesnt mean he's
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 holy crap you're actually trying to state that kobe is better defender than mj! dude you are such a frigging dumbass! seriously, kobe plays in a offensive era and he managed to score 81 on a very weak toronto raptors team. his highest scoring games are against weak defensive teams. compare that to mj who scores his highest pts against the best defensive teams. mj era is definitely tougher than now. "even if handchecking was allowed" -> you know nothing bout basketball so shut it
crayrayc 1 year ago
@crayrayc: the better defender. Shane Battier averaged 1.00 SPG in 07-08. Marko FREAKING Jaric averaged 1.24 SPG. Is Jaric the better defender? You saying this just shows your ignorance in some areas of the game. Dude, how the hell can he be the most doubled/tripled ever, when he lived in THE FREAKING ISOLATION DEFENSE ERA??? Go look up in the dictionary what Isolation means. That solely contradicts your theory. When its over Kobe will be in the Top 10? Isnt he already there? As for your theory
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 kobe in mj's league at the lvl he's playing now would be average in mj's era. in fact he would solely have to rely on outside shooting which he's already starting to lose very badly. zone defense is what is used in college level basketball and great players can find ways to penetrate it easily. here's a hint -> it's called PASSING or EXPLODING pass the defense. MJ is the most doubled/tripled team player in history of nba NOT KOBE.
crayrayc 1 year ago
@LAKid17 go watch mj's shot against nets where he sliced through four defenders that clogged the lane and tell me at which point of mj's flight kobe would crash down cause you and i both know kobe is not capable of this shot. based on your assumptions i know you haven't seen mj play in his prime! if you did you would know what it means to be great day in and out. kobe's flash of brilliance doesn't measure up. sorry but it's true. w/ that said kobe will go down as top 10 player imho
crayrayc 1 year ago
@crayrayc : about 35 year old Kobe smoking a prime Kobe, Dont you remember the double nick he dropped on MJ? This is where Im done with you as well. You're so biased to give Kobe the slighest edge. Im not saying Kobe is better. Thats not the problem. MJ is clearly the best.... for now. You cant say Kobe isnt threatening his throne right now. 5 rings to his 6... and talent-wise, he isnt very far.
LAKid17 1 year ago
@LAKid17 i'll give prime kobe edge against a 40 year old mj but I restate that 35 year old mj would beat prime kobe. I've seen both play and know what kobe and mj is capable of. kobe basically copied mj's game especially his second comeback era and he was at his peak during prime however when i look at his fg% i know against a highly defensive player he will not be able to handle it. mj can fadeaway on kobe all day or just drive on him all day.
crayrayc 1 year ago
@LAKid17 mj who was 40 at the time was not guarding kobe so don't even go there! you're talking about 60% mj (prime) at this point and he was still a top player at 40. bringing up this kinda comparison only shows the retardedness of a kobetard. i think you've only seen mj play during this point of his career and if that is the case I'm sorry you never got to witness the GOAT. I've seen kobe play and he has flashes of brilliance but sorry not impressed. compared to true greatness kobe sucks
crayrayc 1 year ago
@crayrayc my thoughts exactly!
mikallink 1 year ago
@crayrayc Ok for one we need to stop calling MJ the GOAT because he said that he doesn't consider himself that because he hasn't played against everybody. Kobe is a brilliant player in this time and era and yes he does dominate, MJ dominated in his time. If you lived back in the 70's you would probably be saying Julius Erving is the Goat, so respect the players as individuals to the sport there is no comparison Kobe isn't Mike and Mike isn't Kobe.BUT I RESPECT YOUR OPINION!!
backdraft1420 1 year ago
@backdraft1420 who is "we"? I'll call mj the GOAT no doubts about it as well as alot of people whose watched him play. today's nba players have based their games off of mj and none has lived up to his level. i'll be happy to not compare the GOAT against a wannabe but it would be an injustice to allow dumb remarks about mj just to bring wannabe closer to his level. when you hear comments like oh mj played in easier era and he's not as complete player as wannabe! it's like wtf?? just sayin
crayrayc 1 year ago