Sales of guns rise after Obama win - A Current Affair

[Leflore2]

They took our jobs

[Hoschi0913]

somehow i miss how many lifes got safed by lawabiding citizens with guns or how many burglary's didnt happen because the homeowners had guns,guess thats easy to froget,like the million of people transportedeach day in an airplane,when one crashes and about 200 die

[schauwn]

lol the only place where our gun laws are controversial is every other nation in the world... silly ausie guns are for the free.

[tassiemarketstall]

@schauwn The 9500 people killed by guns in 2011 in the U.S dont get to be alive and free do they? Silly yank. You dont need enemies outside the U.S, you lot do a great job killing each other.

[Libertytreeradio]

Libertytreeradio for more videos on youtube that will help you to prepare for what is coming. UN ban is now waiting in the senate with the lame ducks wanting revenge against america before they are kicked out. Ne Copuola Nobiscum! MGK/GDW!

[labartic]

A gun didnt kill Kennedy. Someone shooting a gun killed Kennedy. A gun doesnt pick itself up and shoot anyone. If there is a documented case of that ever happening, we are in trouble.

[labartic]

1:20 A .45 wont physically knock someone down either buddy. Maybe a 44 mag would increase your chances much better. I know of real life shooting incidents where 100lb women take multiple .45 hollow points in the chest and keep going.

[bigd5000100]

im 13 i carry and its hard to kill people who carry

[annasajerk]

they say that 80 people are killed by guns everyday. But what their not telling you is that almost 60% of these deaths are from people ending their own lives. subtract those,self defence shootings, and some vary rare accidents and the real nuber is 33 deaths each day.but the feds tell us that 80% of those deaths are gangs killing eachother.so the number they sould be sould be talking about is 27 GANG shooting a day, or less 3 each for the 10 largest citys in the U.S.A. its all in the wording

[paigow66]

@annasajerk they also DON'T tell you how many lives are saved by guns each day and how many criminals are stopped by a civilian with a gun.

[annasajerk]

wow...look how Australia makes us look to their own people, like a bunch of rednecks that own full autos and are hideing in a bunker out in the middle of the woods waiting for the black helicoptors to come and kill everybody. stupid stupid people. 

[Duluiyah]

what was it now, 10 years ago when a swat team in the south at a convention lost their truck and all their guns? yeh, someone wants a gun they'll go where the guns are. Police, swat, military. We gun owners are here to support and to help ALL in this country with what we have and will help to the end. God bless America

[AntonScream]

Yeah, yeah, yeah... "I was hit by a bullet and it kinda hurts, so let's ban the guns and bla, bla,bla... "

None of those idiots ever had to live in a country where citizens have no right to bear arms.

There is no Law that could ever stop some sick maniac to commit a mass murder.

[Watcher3223]

"And where the gun took the life of another president (John F. Kennedy)."

Yeah, it was the gun, huh? It couldn't possibly be the person who made the decision to assassinate Mr. Kennedy, could it?

The anti-gun bias of this story is sickening.

[Abfab325]

If someone really wants to commit a violant act they will get a gun through illegal means. There will always be criminals bent on murderous acts. However, due to this fact if average citizens can carry guns in public it deters public out cries of violence. Take D.C. for instance guns are basically outlawed yet they have one of the highest crime rates in the nation

[blldgs101]

Hell in the wild west children were never killed by other students because they were all armed, in fact, you want to drive down crime, allow every citizen to carry a gun. There wouldn't be hostage situation and roberries, those only take place NOW, becuase nobody in public is armed!

[blldgs101]

Wait? Doesn't mexico have gun control laws? Oh, I have a new example for why I oppose gun control.....I don't want this land to become controlled by the criminals with guns...like Mexico! Those who have illegal guns there, will not turn them in, and find more on the black market so! Guns will never go away, I suggest u purchase one today! - Armed in California.

[blown528hemi]

Australians don't understand or appreciate our 2nd Amendment rights, therefore they have no right to criticize it. To purchase a gun in Australia, you first have to obtain a "Permit to Acquire", which has a 28 day waiting period. You have to give a "Genuine Reason" for wanting the gun, and your reason better not be for self defense, or your permit request will be denied!!! You cannot legally purchase a gun in Australia for the purpose of defending yourself or your family or your property!!!

[randydragoncheeks]

you used to be able too...and they will do it to you as they did to them...first automtics will be illeagal,then hand guns soon only farmers wil lbe allowed to have shotguns and riffles,,and then crim goes way up.....your on your way to that already stop worrying about what some dude says and start fighting for that right.

[shamanicvisions]

As an Aussie (and I completely loathe A Current Affair for it's biased reporting) - I do not agree that disarming Australia was a wise move. They'll throw lots of corrupt and erroneous stats at you, telling you how good it is to be a gun-free nation. Bullshit!

Why is it that people are still being shot out here? The crims are armed & the citizens aren't - how the hell does that make any sense at all? Fuck them - don't let them take your guns away!

[huack]

These media patsies of the aussie oppression are hoping and praising that they think they'll take our guns away. It won't happen without resistance!

Sincerely, Kevin in Texas

[ZombieBlaster]

Tracy Grimshaw is a Lefty bitch

[ZombieBlaster]

Here in Australia our entire media is Anti American so you know that Australia will always try make the USA look like shit. I'm pretty sure we were able to own assault weapons years ago but they got banned.

The parts where they talk out the assassination of Kennedy is COMPLETELY irrelevant.

it is illegal to defend yourself in Australia! NO FUCKING JOKE.

Americans are the only free people in the world & they should be able to keep they're guns.

[madeinamerica650]

It's funny how like 20 or 30 years ago Americans did not want Russian weapons, but now the SKS and AK-47 are selling like hot cakes at gun stores. Prices for both of them are going up a lot.

[GunOwnerDan]

How could there be a shooting at Virginia Tech? It's a "GUN FREE ZONE"!

[GunOwnerDan]

"Tyrants from Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens, for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control. Our Founders, having just expelled the British army, knew that the right to bear arms serves as the guardian of every other right. This is the principle so often ignored by both sides in the gun control debate. Only armed citizens can resist tyrannical government."

-- U.S. Congressman Ron Paul, June 27, 2006

A-HUMAN-RIGHT . com

[bigc224]

OMG!!, Americans Can Get Ak 47's !!

[madeinamerica650]

Yea because we stand up for our rights unlike Australia. australians rolled over with their thumbs in their butt while their government took away semiauto weapons.

gues what Australia unlike you we are not a bunch of kangaroo fucking liberals.

This media group wants australia to think America is wrong for having the right to bare arms.

[dachrisman2004]

Wow...An Aussie TV showing some fatass holding a gun with an American flag in the background. If these biased croc-wrestlers hate us so much, why don't they just quit buying our goods, military hardware, and stop watching our TV shows 'n movies,.... and just fuck off?

[kentuckyboychris]

iv got 2 illeol guns

[truthed]

hello?!? If some of the students at VT were carrying firearms they could have shot that piece of shit and ended his reign of terror. DON'T GIVE UP YOUR GUNS, never mind criminals, its the only thing the people have to protect themselves against the government. Why do you think every dictator in history has banned the people from owning guns?

[WeAreTheMilitia]

What a biased piece of shit. They should have interviewed me.

[gasdorf]

Australian faggot reporter

[b2flyer1]

Get what you can,while YOU can...you'll need it !!!

[flyboymd82]

Aussie PC propaganda BULLSHIT!

Look at the video "The British called, they want thier guns back".

GUN crimes have risen over 40% since they "banned guns" in England. NOW the Bobbies wear bullet proof vests and carry firearms when they DIDN'T before the ban! Crime is out of control!

Law abiding citizens are now called victims!

Criminals are cowards! they now shoot you KNOWING you can't shoot back!

FEAR THE GOVERNMENT THAT FEARS YOU WITH A GUN!

[AbuGrabIt]

What did you say, bitch? The USA's "controversial" gun laws? Fuck you, Obama banning guns is controversial.  It's called 2nd amendment stupid cunt. First learn about our Constitution and then do your stupid report.

[zombieseezombiedo]

What's with this Australian faggotry? "fear" ...

its called "better safe that sorry"

[omgwtfnerfme]

Theres only one thing i hate more than our gun laws in australia and thats these god damn 'current affairs' shows! I own an U/O 12 gauge and a .22 bolt action but because of our laws I will be imprisoned if i use them to defend myself. Not even .22 semi autos are allowed here and it takes almost a year to get a handgun limited to .38 and a 10 round magazine... Stand up for yourselves America!

[Spelunker0211]

With the money I get from joining the army when I finish my tour Im going to buy the civilian version of the M4 and A 1911 with quite a bit of .45 acp ammo.

[mjparthum]

Who the hell needs semi-automatics anyway? Stop being so paranoid about democratic presidents.

[titosantucci]

I actually was paranoid about the Neocons. Real Leftists love their guns, too. The Black Panthers needed guns because noone could protect their communities against sadist, fascist cops. They always preferred videocams, but when cops came shut them up by killing them, how do you think they protected themselves. There's still no justice for the government assassinations of innocent videocamers, so guns really were the necessary last resort. Rather have a fighting chance than to get hung on a tree.

[RoseMWolf]

I guess that you've never been robbed before then, huh? Calling the police is useless..you'll either be dead and robbed..or just dead..also it's pointless if you have a single shot rifle..shotguns are good..but really you only have one good shot before you have to pump the action..but having a semi 7.62 with you...that robber won't be robbing any more..

[mjparthum]

if i tried to pull out a gun, he'd shoot me. end of story.

[jubeigh13]

Need is not necessitated by a right. I may not "need" a semi-automatic firearm, but I have a right to purchase one, and fifty if I so please. And I quit honestly don't give a flying fuck what anybody else has to say about that.

[mjparthum]

so you have the right. and then what? what do you DO with it? take down three deer all at once?

people who dont give a fuck ususally end up using automatics to shoot up malls and schools. those people give less of a fuck than you.

[jubeigh13]

I do whatever the fuck I please with it as long as I don't threaten anybody, what fucking business is it of yours? I'll tell you, fucking none. I'm only going to guess you don't understand the difference between fully automatic guns and semi-automatic guns, which is not surprising.

[Fucktacticus]

Guns do not kill people....people kill people with the irresponsible ways they choose to use the tools provided to them. Call a gun ban? Take my guns? I'll be damned if I willingly turn in my only protection from another individual or a group of people who feel that it is OK to kill me simply for my personal possessions or to gain control over me and my loved ones out of tyranny. My second amendment was put into play to safe guard my life for these reasons. Thank you.

[ZombieBlaster]

I'm Australian and i watched this report last year and Im sick to fucking death of stupid left australians giving the USA shit about the 2nd amendment, I hate living here and I want to move!!!!, Of corse they are going to show the assassination of the Keneddy....ooohhh wow that COMPLETELY IRRELIVENT, SO FUCK YOU AUS

[JoeysTheMan54]

Holy crap! A level headed Aussie w/o any want to meddle in the freedoms of my country!

Welcome to the conversation, brother! Hopefully one day youll be able to take part in this beautiful country of ours... if thats your wish. Im just hoping we dont experience the same downfall in liberty you and our European friends experienced.

[bigredtaxi]

So being 30 times more likely to get shot makes you feel liberated? Where do I sign up?

[JoeysTheMan54]

Youre more likely to get shot walking around in NYC, Washington DC or Chicago, which have heavy gun control laws or outright gun bans, than in Indianapolis, which has very little gun control.

I feel completely safe in an area where Im allowed to carry a firearm. Whether I carry one or not doesnt even matter. Criminals knowing that I MIGHT be carrying a weapon is what keeps me safe.

[bigredtaxi]

Gun control laws rarely work if it is only for a single city. If it was for the whole country, then there would be a drastic decrease in loss of life, as evidenced by every country that has implemented gun control laws.

[txngasnguns]

Bush was hardly pro gun. He stated openly that if the AWB renewal hit his desk he would sign it. He also sided AGAINST Heller in Heller v. D.C. He supported the brief written by our new AG.

[txngasnguns]

CTD is in FT. WORTH! What garbage. This thing has stereotype the gun owner spin written all over it from the begining.

[underscoreisnotvalid]

it doesnt make sense. how will stocking up on more and more guns prevent the deaths of people from guns?

its like saying that you are bankrupt so youll just keep taking bigger and bigger loans to fix the problem.

these rednecks are so narrow minded, and need to learn that theres more to life than guns.

[JoeysTheMan54]

"these rednecks are so narrow minded"

I dont know if you understand the definition of 'narrow-minded', but I seriously suggest you investigate. Calling someone a "redneck" for owning a weapon is about as narrow-minded as they come.

Stocking up on firearms isnt meant to prevent gun deaths, but that isnt the point of stocking up in the first place. President-elect Obama will almost suredly place a ban or heavy tax on firearms and ammunition. People are stocking up now while they still can.

[JoeysTheMan54]

So there's more to life than guns? Like what, guitars? Your garage band?

You have your hobbies, other people have theirs. There are over 80million gun owners in the US. Many of which are hunters, sport shooters, and collecters. Having the arrogant notion that your hobby (music) is somehow more important or of a higher caliber than someone else's would also fall into that 'narrow-minded' category.

[underscoreisnotvalid]

hey, youve got a good point. i was wrong saying that they are narrow minded rednecks, that was just stupid of me, and i understand what youre saying about their hobbies (guns) are no less or more important than mine or anyone else's, which is very true. but it is easy to judge people when they say things like "you can take our mother before you can take our guns". sure, the guy was joking, but still, it just doesn't give me a good impression hearing stuff like that.

[JoeysTheMan54]

I understand it was a joke, though not a great one. Chances are, in reality, he would take them out w/ his gun before they took either one, haha.

[KSM2000]

BTW, about VT, it wouldnt have happened if the existing laws were enforced.

He wasnt a citizen, he had a history of mental illness, and he sat in Nikki Geovanni's classroom (look that bigot up)

Why does a single event committed by a criminal require the nation-wide penalization of normal law abiding people? You know why...

Buy guns and hide them with plenty of ammo. This country is changing for the worse -- Obama is just a symptom.

[KSM2000]

Propaganda

Do the producers of this doc care about the results of gun control in their own country? Of course not.

Those without guns will be begging those with them for help soon. I wont have to shoot them because their best friends (criminals) will do it for me.

Natural selection at its best!

[jacquelineveronique]

Obama ban guns !!!

[jubeigh13]

Except for homosexuals right? Please, just shut the fuck up, either that or you can attempt to take my firearms if you so choose. I've offered that many times, I've yet to see anybody actually take up the challange.

[flyboymd82]

Wow. Australia media is about as as full of shit & propaganda as the U.S. media is!

If one of those kids or teachers at VA Tech were allowed to be armed, it would have saved many lives.

You can't take away the rights of 300Million people b/c of 5-10 psycho's go on a rampage! An armed citizen would have ended it quickly!

[jacquelineveronique]

People are sick and tired of guns killing people and we voted for Obama, you lost, we won, now turn in your gun or we'll take it.

Obama tax guns and make them 1 trillion each to buy !

[flyboymd82]

Your a fool jacquel. You have no idea what your talking about.

Scary someone like you who needs medication can share the sky with the pro's.

Dream on! It will NEVER happen in this Country without a revolution.

[jacquelineveronique]

Obama was right, moronic people like you clinging to guns or we have a revolution, how insane.

[GunOwnerDan]

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

- Thomas Jefferson

Free people can own guns, SLAVES CAN NOT.

[flyboymd82]

Rush was right, Obama and marxists like you want to strip Americans of basic fundamental rights granted by our Constitution.

OMG! "HOW INSANE" of me to defend our Constitution!!!!! What a "gun-nut" I am!! LOL! Your pathetic.

I got a laugh when I saw your from San Fran.........typical. Your & your entire City are laughable........NO! Pathetic!

[GunOwnerDan]

You will take our guns?

What kind of guns are you going to use to do this? Hypocrite.

[FugitiveCon]

If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk, and spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat!

[jubeigh13]

Obama would be killed within the hour of doing that. But you know what he can ban, legally, faggots. As he should, after all, they don't have rights in the first place. Obama should tax homosexual marriage at 10 trillion for each day married, and since they don't have the right in the first place, it's perfectly legal.

[mizzoulibertarian]

what do you care who marries who? If they are not bothering you or more importantly me people can marry who the hell they want. Just as the right to keep and bear arms is essential so is the right to marry who the fuck you want.

[jubeigh13]

It was sarcasm.

[FugitiveCon]

"You can't take away the rights of 300Million people b/c of 5-10 psycho's go on a rampage! An armed citizen would have ended it quickly!"

I agree! However, I think you have to have an IQ above 5 to understand this!!

[bigredtaxi]

30,000 gun murders a year is hardly 5-10 psycho's.

Preventing a disease is better than curing a disease, so what makes guns any different?

An armed citizen would not be able to shoot the 'psycho' before the 'psycho' shot other people.

[FugitiveCon]

A psycho who WANTS to kill perople willnot be deterred by gun laws. They will get a gun illegally. They will do whatever it takes to carry out the killing of others at all costs.

[flyboymd82]

"30,000 gun murders a year"??? Where do you get your information?? The crackerjax box?? The average murders per year is 18,000. Over 90% of them are drug dealers killing other drug dealers.

Nearly 6,000 times a year, law abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves and deter crimes.

An armed citizen would have been able to prevent the 2nd murder on. Do you think if we outlaw guns the criminals will be unarmed? Are you that ignorant??

"28 times more likely shot" or murdered?? LOL!

[bigredtaxi]

Show me a single country where gun control HAS NOT reduced the murder rate. Australias gun crime rate has been decreasing for years, after we brought in gun control laws.

30,000 murders per year (acutually about 29,850 to be a little more precise), is the statistic given by your own Government and Bureau of Statistics.

90% drug dealers is BS and we both know it.

6,000 times a year you say? hardly very impressive when their or over 3,000,000 (3 million) gun crimes in the USA each year.

[JoeysTheMan54]

Youre from Australia. Why the fuck do you care what laws we have in place over here in the good ole USofA.

You fucking foreigners. You lost all of your rights and are miserable unless we do as well. Get off our backs and deal w/ the issues effecting your own country.

[underscoreisnotvalid]

at least us "foreigners" are in touch with whats going on in the world, unlike the vast majority of americans who probably couldnt even find canada on a map.

[JoeysTheMan54]

The ignorance of world politics/issues of the American people still doesnt validate heavy debated opinions on the leaders of our country or our political issues from foreign, socialist morons.

Stop trying to rid the world of the rights you lost and work on getting your rights back.

[bigredtaxi]

I am not a supremacist which is why I care. Just because someone was not born in the same country as me, does not mean that their life is worth less than mine.

Besides, you are clearly incapable of dealing with the issues facing your own country, so why not allow a little help from overseas?

[JoeysTheMan54]

We, the people, are perfectly capable of solving our own problems. Guns, arent the issue right now, the government is. Soon Im sure youll see the people take care of that situation too.

Yes, GW only has a 26% approval rating--so what. Our Congress only has a 10% approval rating! Theyre the ones making these ridiculous laws. Theyre the ones handing out OUR money to people who dont deserve it, even against the will OF THE PEOPLE. Wake up!

[bigredtaxi]

FYI, Congress has little to do with organising spending. That is what the Government does, only the need to ask congress to approve the spending.

GWB is the one taking your money, not Congress. You are about to have a $1.2t Budget defecit, again courtesy of GWB.

[JoeysTheMan54]

The government as a whole is ruining our economy w/o actually listening to the people and their opinions. It isnt GWB despite what you, as a foreigner, are brainwashed to believe. We have a much larger defecit than that, and what is the proposed plan by our new administration? Spend more money.

Blaming Bush for all the problems of our government is quite lame. It takes the government as a whole to regulate the economy, not one man.

Besides, what the fuck do you care? Youre from Australia.

[titosantucci]

Its funny how an Australian know more about our government than most here in the US. Yes, Congress approves, executive branch is the one that spends. But Our governmnent wasn't founded so that it could regulate the economy-that would be Fascism! The Fed is Fascism! Our constitutions was designed so that governement leaves society free. Our whole modern government contradicts the constitution in so many aspects. I can imagine that even in Australia there are people who care about/want freedom.

[JoeysTheMan54]

"Our governmnent wasn't founded so that it could regulate the economy-that would be Fascism!"

Maybe someone should tell the politicians that! Those morons seem to think that tax money is THEIRS to do w/ what they will. They feel empowered and above the very people they are elected to SERVE. I think its time for reform--of Washington that is!

[jubeigh13]

Congress is the legislature the last time I checked. You clearly have no idea of what our national deficit is. *Hint* There was a deficit under Clinton as well.

[jubeigh13]

Germany ala WWII. Germany banned guns, and still managed to kill off a few million people. And actually, it's not 30,000 murders per year, because about 60~% of those are suicides, which would be more along the lines of 12,000-14,000 murders..out of 300,000,000 million people and about 250,000,000 million firearms. Oh and yeah 3 million gun crimes per year...sorry that's bullshit. Unless your source is the Brady Campaign for Hitler-lite Gun Control/Confiscation.

[JoeysTheMan54]

There are over 160,000 deaths due to car accidents each year. More than 5times(!) the number of murders. Should we then ban cars as well? It would solve the problem of car death every year. Over 65,000 people drown each year. Maybe we should ban all water sports or pools from being placed in someone's back yard.

You have no right to impose your fear of guns on the rest of us. There are over 2.5million(!) crimes prevented each year through the use of firearms in the public's hands.

[jubeigh13]

Yeah, 60% of which are suicides. Haha, when Sarah Brady said gun-control fascist will lie/cheat/steal and basically blitz a nursing home, she was absolutely right, as evidence...we'll by you and pretty much every other gun-control Nazi. Oh, and if those other people can't shoot the 'psycho's before they shoot other people, they should simply do nothing and watch a massacre..hey great logic, do nothing, watch everybody die=gun-control Nazi logic.

[jubeigh13]

Sure they would. It's happened before. The reason it probably doesn't happen more is because people like you want to ban us from carrying a concealed weapon. Oh and that's incorrect. There are only about half that number in murders annually (of out 300,000,000 people.) the rest happen to be suicides. So, you have about 15,000 homicides committed with a firearm each year, more people die from drowning than that, why don't you want to ban anything that can hold more than 5 gallons of water?

[bigredtaxi]

If you had gun control laws, NONE of the people at VA Tech would have needed saving.

It is no wonder people are 28 times more likely to be shot in the US than they are in Australia.

[FugitiveCon]

Yes because criminals follow laws.

MORE GUN LAWS would only keep guns out of the hands of LAW ABIDING citizens!

PERIOD!!

[sjvietboy408]

most of the gun-deaths related in the United States involves criminals obtaining guns illegally, and most of the victims are law biding citizens who could have survived if they had a gun with them at the time of danger. So the government is simply making the criminals much safer, not making the US cities safer like they claim. So banning guns is total bullshit...

[JoeysTheMan54]

Just so you know, VT is a gun-free zone. There were gun control laws in place and a heavy tragedy still took place. If gun control laws WERENT in place, a student might have been allowed to carry a weapon and the largescale tragedy could have been limited or avoided altogther.

[bigredtaxi]

VT may have been a gun free zone, but the land directly next to it was not, thus making it very very easy to commit crimes their with a gun.

By your reasoning, gun crimes can only occur in gun shops.

[JoeysTheMan54]

My point wasnt that gun crimes only happen where guns exist. Thats YOUR reasoning. By your reasoning MANY gun crimes will happen in gun shops and shows across the nation.

My point was simply that gun control laws dont work. How many lives could have been saved if a student in that auditorium was legally carrying (legally ABLE to carry) a weapon on campus. I guess we will never know...

[bigredtaxi]

You said "My point was simply that gun control laws dont work".

How is that true? To my knowledge, every country that has brought in gun control laws, has seen a dramatic decrease in gun crime.

Giving every person in the country the power to successfully commit a crime is not a smart thing to do.

If you had gun control laws, VT would never have happened.

[JoeysTheMan54]

Gun control laws in other countries have decreased gun crimes, but only slightly. The only thing you fail to mention is that crime OVERALL has risen dramatically. England is banning pocket knives now because STABBINGS are on the rise!

Giving people to right to own guns doesnt give them any more power to commit crimes, than it gives the good intentioned citizens the power to stop them. Over 2.5million crimes are PREVENTED each year by law abiding citizens w/ their firearms.

[JoeysTheMan54]

VT was a GUN-FREE zone. They had gun control laws and it STILL didnt prevent that tragedy. If someone in that auditorium was legally allowed to carry a weapon, that tragedy could have been limited or outright prevented.

[titosantucci]

"VT is a gun-free zone"!!!! So how did the gun regulations save all those poeple from being killed by a criminal? When you criminalize guns, only criminals and the governmnet will have guns- sometimes its hard to tell the difference and thats the problem.

[flyboymd82]

bigredtaxi,

YOUR FULL OF SHIT!

Englands gun crimes and murder rates have increased 40% since the morons like you banned guns there. Now the Bobbies wear bullet proof vests and carry firearms themselves. They did neither before the gun ban!

Gun control laws CAUSED VT!! If a teacher or student who had a CCW permit could have carried on campus they could have saved lives.

Watch "The British called, they want their guns back" if you don't beleive what I say.

[bigredtaxi]

VT would not have happened if the shooter never got a gun.

Assuming everyone at VT carried a gun, multiple people would still have died that day.

In England, guns are used in 6% of homicides. In the US, they are used in 65% of homicides.

England have 21,000 gun crimes per year. America has over 3,000,000 gun crimes per year.

[flyboymd82]

Brilliant statement! There will ALWAYS be guns available. England has an estimated 300,000 on the black market.

Your wrong, the idiot might have killed one or two, then would have been killed by a law abiding gun owner.

Your stats are Complete bullshit! Guns are used in less than 30% of American homicides. We have an average of 18,000 homicides per year but guns are used in 3Million crimes?? LOL! Whatever!

We also have 320Million people to Englands 51Million.

Your crime rate up 42%!

[flyboymd82]

Oh and BTW, take a look at South Africa's, Jamaca's, Columbia's, Brazils crime rate/homicide rate compared to ours. How do you explain that? Its called RACE! Blacks in America are 7 times more likely to do a gun crime and 10 times more likely to commit homicide.

Whats Englands percentage of black people? Ours is 14%.

Yeah I know its not PC to talk about but its FACT.

Guns cause crime like pencils cause bad grades and spoons cause fat people.

Wake up!

[WeAreTheMilitia]

I think you meant to say guns PREVENT 3 Million crimes every year. In 2005 the FBI and BATF released a study in which 2.5 to 3 Million crimes were prevented every single year through legal firearms and firearms owners.

learn the stats before you try to debate...

[StarlingKiller]

True!!!!

[bigredtaxi]

Where is the link to that? Guns prevent LESS THAN 1% of crimes.

[8x56]

Well ya! You turned yours in. In the states guns are used for self protection 2,000,000 times a year.

[bigredtaxi]

You have no proof of that what so ever. Guns are used to prevent less than 1% of violent crimes.

[jubeigh13]

Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz point out nine other studies that found similar numbers as the National Self-Defense Survey.

From the results of the telephone interviews, the study's authors calculated that guns were used in self-defense between 800,000 and 2.5 million times a year. The range is rather large, but even the lower bound could mean that more crimes are thwarted with guns than are committed with them.

Unless you can promptly refute over 9 reviewed studies, you're wrong again.

[bigredtaxi]

Assuming that the Kleck numbers are correct, you would need to look at the severity crimes being 'stopped', as the vast majority are non-violent crimes.

If a few cars being stolen is the cost of saving 15,000 lives (the difference between most other developed countries), then it seems only a small price to pay.

[jubeigh13]

Can you prove their numbers are not correct? There is really no point in arguing past this point unless you can prove Kleck, and every other study that cites similar findings wrong.

Also, it's your job to also prove that these are mostly non-violent crimes. Until you can prove it, your point is irrelevant and moot. And no, the cost of "saving" 15,000 lives is not worth the cost and suffering of at least 800,000. Unless you failed math you'd understand that.

[bigredtaxi]

Just to be clear, you have now said that preventing the theft of cars is more important than human life.

For info on the violent crimes, read through the Harvard study.

[jubeigh13]

Well, it's not just cars. Any property really. A vehicle is just a good example. It could be something as small as a television, radio, or rug for all I care. If you break into a persons personal property, you waive your right to live.

What Harvard study are you talking about? There are probably hundreds if not thousands of studies done by Harvard. In what way would there study invalidate the study done by Kleck? Probably none at all.

[jubeigh13]

Again you're wrong. Multiple sources have stated that at the very least, guns are used 800,000 times annually in self-defense. So unless you believe there are over 79,200,000 crimes in a year, you're wrong.

[jubeigh13]

The holocaust would never had happened if guns were not banned in Nazi Germany. Um...England completely banned guns..so why do they still have gun crime? Why are you providing information that suggest you're wrong? You're proving that the law doesn't work for criminals in the U.K., so why should it work here? And again, that 3,000,000 number is bullshit. As of 2008, it was just a little over 300,000 incidents. You're only off by 2,700,000. Which is a fairly bid discrepancy.

[jubeigh13]

As explained. Nazi Germany had strict gun-control laws, firearms related deaths likely went down. And instead people couldn't defend themselves and were shoved into ovens by the hundreds. Yes... sure am looking forward to that because you don't like firearms. Again, your hypothetical about Virgina Tech is bull-shit. You cannot prove that he would have obeyed the law, nor can you prove he wouldn't have still obtained a firearm. Oh and gun-control laws exist already, So your point is moot.

[jubeigh13]

Then why exactly is the number of guns crimes in gun shots damn near zero? After all, you are going to be hard pressed to find a place in a single area that has more guns than a gun-shop/show. So why exactly is there such a lack of violence at these places?

[jubeigh13]

By your reasoning criminals always obey the law.

[jubeigh13]

If we'd ban cars, hundreds of thousands of people wouldn't have been killed over the years in accidents.  And you cannot prove that he still wouldn't have gotten a firearm. So your hypothetical is bull-shit.

[GunOwnerDan]

Dangerous criminals, terrorists, and tyrannical governments alike will always prefer defenseless victims.

Free people can own guns, slaves can not!

[jacquelineveronique]

This video shows in the end why Obama was elected president. People are sick and tired of shootings at schools.

[jubeigh13]

Because he is black?

[jubeigh13]

And Obama doesn't make polices that would prevent them. Congress does. Also, he's done a really good job to date of substitution. Mass killing of police in Washington, mass killing of military personal at Ft. Hood. Yeah, great job he's doing.

[mikevanross69]

My brother in law was killed in the 2007 Colorado YWAM and New Life shootings, Thank God there was a armed security guard there to stop him before he killed more people. So yes can come in very good use.

[jubeigh13]

Sorry for your loss.

[1s23d]

australia has already lost their rights because they did not have the guts to stand up for them.

[ccsniper]

what if someone at Virginia tech was armed? they would of been able to take the gun man out alot faster.

[ltldevil555]

CCSniper, You are in imminent danger of making too much sense, man! Any cop with a brain will tell you that you are your own first line of defense. Unfortunately for so many students at VT, they were denied that right to defend themselves, under the promise VT made to provide them safety. VT and any other school, business, or governmental agency that disallows the preservation of one's own life through right-to-carry should be sued into oblivion in wrongful-death cases.

[ltldevil555]

And one other comment about the 80 people a day that die from guns. They don't die from guns. They die from the misuse of guns, or now and again they die from the proper use of guns, such as when a legally-armed citizen or policeman shoots a dangerous criminal, as should have happenned to the jackoff at VT before he could do so much damage.

[ccsniper]

i really like how they say that 80 people die a day from guns. when 300, 000 die yearly from auto accidents

[mrzergmrzergmrzerg]

Outlawing firearms will work as well as outlawing drugs....not at all.

Restricting the RIGHT to defend oneself by outlawing tools CRIMINALS WILL HAVE is ridiculous.

Guns do NOT cause crime, PEOPLE do. Hence the complete LACK of "gun" massacres at gun shows, NRA conventions, pistol competition events, etc...

[PILMAN]

Gee why am I surprised Australian media has an anti-gun segment on American gun ownership, no surprise. I'm keeping my guns thank you.

[lbxx00]

how can Obama claim "I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms" when, as a director of the Joyce Foundation, he steered $15 million to the self-described "most aggressive group in the gun control movement?" That group published a book entitled, "Every Handgun is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns."

[divinacomedias]

I support the people buying guns, without infringement, forming well regulated militias, and upholding freedom against tyranny.

As stated very clearly in the second amendment of the US constitution.

[nrxbez]

It is also a right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). "Article 3: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person."

[JimTL1000R]

If your hollywood,politician or a policemen your allowed to protect yourself. But where not? WOW are you serious? I hope to god they do not ban guns. They should'nt be allowed becasue it is our constitutional right.

[nrxbez]

It is also a right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). "Article 3: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person."

Some people are only too happy to believe George Orwell's phrase 'all animals (people) are equal but some are more equal than others'. That's basically why some believe that only a few should have the right to arm themselves. That's the hypocrisy.

[JimTL1000R]

1% of the worlds problems and 99% are penalized.

[potstab]

WTF Australian hit piece on American gun owners? Just because you decided to get neutered doesn't mean we have to follow suit. Why linking the Kennedy assassination into all of this? If you don't live here then STFU . We don't tell you what to do don't demonize us by association. Gun owners are usually more situationally aware and therefor do not have to use their weapons as much. If there are so many guns then shouldn't the death toll of these evil weapons be much greater?

[JimTL1000R]

1% of the worlds problem and 99% pay the penalty? Cars kill more people. Alchohol kills more people! WTF!?

[nrxbez]

I am Australian and I am too annoyed by that media report. Please don't believe that that story is the opinion of everyone from my country.

That show is notorious for being one-sided, and painting black pictures. It rarely presents the entire story. That witch presenter always presents her feelings and opinions instead of just the facts. She can't help herself.

The media in Australia is almost completely anti-gun, so expect more. But like me, just don't take it seriously.

[tbackes]

fuck obama

[exinferiz]

Why wont they say the same about recreational drug use.