(this survey was done over all the jails/gaols in the world) more religious people go to jail than non-religious people, more christian-based religious people go to jail than other religions, more catholics go to jail than other types of christian-based religious people and therefore it is easy to assume that the leader of that religious group is up to no good himself, also, LOL my friend showed me this song and we both thought the side-comments made it funnier
Hahahahaha "given there is no credible proof" So you need credible proof to convict a man of crimes he may have in fact committed but you'll believe there's some dude controlling life based on . . . ? What? Cause I know you couldn't be so hypocritical to believe that on word alone, I really hope this is a troll cause if not I worry for the future of humanity.
I love that whoever wrote this thinks they were engaging in a debate with the song. Particularly when at 3 mins 30 they say "But Tim the point remaims..." as if they're annoyed he's ignoring their comments!
you can't argue with the popes credulous sheeplike followers, they don't have the intelligence or the capacity to listen, brainwashed braindead bullshit swallowing bores.
great song , great man ! keep hating that pope, his song is true, ours is not! check it out if u have a moment, the godbotherers should take a good look in the mirror and leave nice, educated respectful free people alone. peace n love n comedy, cheers, twb
I went to the Vatican and played this song during the Popes service. I think your mother-fucking captions made me love the song and Tim even more. Fuck the Pope!
I wouldn't expect a detailed and cited argument in a comedy song, which simply draws attention to the Pope's alleged involvement in covering up child abuse, to expect a detailed argument with citations for supporting evidence from a 3:30 song is ridiculous.
Dear Jerrymanda101, your annotations DID NOT have the intended effect. Like many other viewers I thought Tim Minchin > you!!!!! bahahaha. Get used to it
You guy's are dumb, Religion doesn't cause problem MAN cause problem. Plus none of you even know that percentage of how many priest actually molested children... It was 0.7% of all priest the media just made it seem like 1 out of -2 priest were molester's and couldn't EVER be trusted. Their are more teacher's that molest children than Priest have, and Pope Benedict has authorized an investigation of this matter and remember those victims were hurt and so were the priest so to be real pray for em
@TheLent12; Because the fact that it was only 0.7% makes it OK if the church covered it up? And the point here is not that it happened but that the Catholic church (allegedly) allowed it to happen and even covered it up when it did happen - i.e. facilitated it happening; which may help explain why 0.7% of priest when far less than 0.7% of people in general do.
Re teachers - there are more teachers than priests, come up with credible figures as a percentage if you want to make a point.
Christians surround themselves with lies every second of every day, pardon me if I don't trust your judgement. Priests are famous for assaulting children, deal with it. Religion causes problems.
as far as religion causing problems, I disagree highly, but I do agree that people who are supposed to be part of a moral higher ground should not be assaulting children sexually. And as for TheLent12's argument, that may be true, that there are more teachers that do it, but they aren't passing judgement on me when I lie to someone I don't like and tell me I'll go to hell for my dishonesty.
@SetsuNinja People who are of a moral higher ground shouldn't be abusing children? Buddy, no one should be abusing children. The fact is religion as a whole causes not only abuse but war, persecution and if religion is correct (which it isn't) famines/natural disasters.
My point was that these folk are supposed to be the people we look to for guidance and purity in a sinful and unsure world. They are the people we SHOULD be able to look to for an example of clean living.
Religion itself is a great thing, however, which gives us many of our morals and values, whether we realize or admit it, or not. However, what people do in the name of religion? That's where everything goes wrong and wont vanish with it
I think its time to turn the mirror back on yourself bro. You demand credible evidence for the beliefs of complete strangers, yet fail to hold yourself up to the same standard. You'd be hard pressed to find "credible evidence" (extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof(?)) to support your catholicism.
But judging from your unfunny snarky annotations, ill-conceived blog, and continued trolling I assume this is just a passive aggressive outlet to satisfy your need for attention. Carry on.
Religious people needs to learn to take a joke. It's people like this who give other religious people a bad reputation. There are those who believe in god, but don't go batshit crazy over a parody song. Probably because they were born with the rare gift of belief AND common sense.
@Jerrymanda101 I can't help but wonder why someone so dedicated to defending the pope would upload such a video. The only two reasons I can possibly see are:
i love how who ever posted this one of your points is that there is no PROOF that the pope helps protect pedophiles, and yet you seem fine with telling people that god is real without proof.
Ha ha... the comments inserted to the video is just so funny. Like: every in the crowd will believe anything you (Tim) says. And this comes from a person who defends the Pope! that is just too funny!
@Wincenworks Some points for you to reflect on: 1. You need to ask yourself why you can't produce any credible evidence to support yours and Tim Minchin's slurs against Pope Benedict.
2. It has always been and continues to be the responsibility of local bishops to oversee the behaviour of priests not the Vatican. However since 2001 Ratzinger/Benedict sought and received more authority to deal with abusive priests and has made changes to Canon Law so as to better deal with such priests.
@Jerrymanda101 1. Aside from the numerous abuses and cover ups in the past 30 years where he's been responsible? And letters where he prioritises reputation over justice? Or do I need to provide a video of him confessing after some kids pull a latex mask off him?
2. Local bishops report to archbishops who report to cardinals who report to...? This is not isolated cases, it's an ongoing trend and thus the problem is with leadership and not individuals. Who is the leader again?
@Wincenworks Responsibility for overseeing the activities of priest has always rested with local bishops not Cardinals or Popes in the Vatican. And that continues to be the case today. In 2001 Ratzinger asked and received greater authority to deal with the sex abuse problem. In case you can't count that's 10 years ago not 30 years ago. Regarding your claim, "Letters where he [Ratzinger/Benedict] prioritises reputation over justice". I'll label that as deliberately misconstruing Church documents.
@Jerrymanda101 1. Google what a chain of command is. 2. He was made Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1981, which is when he became responsible for maintaining moral standards in the Church. So by your reckoning, that means it took him 20 years to work out child molestation was a problem, after covering up several instances of it. 3. You are living under a rock.
@Jerrymanda101 I'm still here! You are yet to provide credible proof that the pope is not covering up for pedaphilic priests. You miss the point entirely. Despite several sources (which you discredit based purely on your own opinion), you still insist on defending someone who heads a corrupt organisation that has been the cause of many troubles within human history. Believe what you want, just keep it to yourself, okay?
The Catholic Church is covered in shit because they've been raping boys and covering it up for a long time and someone is offended because a musician sings a song calling the Pope a motherfucker. Hmm...
@surveyork9 Child abuse happens in all institutions that deal with children, and the facts indicate the Catholic Church dealt with the problem no better and no worse than other institutions. People who work in the area of child protection don't recognize the Catholic Church as having a greater problem than other institutions:
Well, regardless to your constant complaints and life wasted on a harmless song in my opinion, you've provided us with the song so now we have a place to praise the song rather then agree with you. YAY :D!!!!!!!
@TheNayrKid I've also provided a place for Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" fans to post credible information in support of Tim Minchin's slurs. Yet after more than 3000 comments all they can produce is innuendo, petty gossip, and deliberately misconstrued interpretations of Church documents. Who'd have thought someone as intelligent as Tim Minchin would have such a stupid fan base?
Well we'd have to be pretty smart to deliberately misconstrue interpretations of Church documents. Unless you're saying its not that difficult to do in the first place?
@WANippy123 So the other half of the comedy was in Tim's performance? Then why is it nobody in the audience is laughing during "Pope Song"? Isn't comedy suppose to be funny?
I wish the poster of this vid would stop fucking giving a running commentary, its just a song, its not revealed if he says it, its lies, and anyway, I like the song ^0^
@KateBHillier Yes if you read the details of the Catholic sex abuse cases reported in the media you'll notice nearly all of them happened 20 - 60 years ago. Compare that with other sex abuse cases reported in the media; nearly all of which are from recent times.
@MrGeorge897 It has been suggested by some in the media that if the Pope was a normal citizen he would probably sue the likes of Tim Minchin. But the Pope isn't a normal citizen is he.
It comes to something when a so- called 'good' religion has to actively defend itself against what they say are lies. Watch Christopher Hitchens talk about the artrocities committed by leaders of the catholic faith... pretty damning evidence I'd say!
@MrGeorge897 So you don't think people should defend the Pope against lies? Either way Fr Robert Barron of "Word on Fire" fame answers Christopher Hitchen's claims:
@Jerrymanda101 You're a dickhead. He's a fucking comedian, he is entertaining and not having a serious go at Catholic church. He is actually quite tolerant of religions, I used to know him. it's just his Aussie humor. It's dick heads like you that made me turn away from the Catholic church in the first place. Good going fuck-face, just keep on making the Church look like some used tampon that criticizes everything.
@Jerrymanda101 That's such a typically Catholic and generally Christian tack. The church is supposed to love everyone and accept all, regardless of their backgrounds and whatnot. Now you say it's better off without him? That simply contradicts all of your major morals. I think you're just very put out by the fact that there isn't any ground for a good old fucking catholic song as catchy as this!
I can't believe the arguing in this thread, can anyone say "troll"? It's clearly the case. Otherwise, the poster actually thinks he's making a point in which case he is a brainwashed bigoted fool incapable of being reasoned with, making the debate moot. Either way it's pointless.
@spinycrayfish I couldn't help but notice your didn't produce any credible evidence to support Tim Minchin's slurs against Pope Benedict. Is that because, like so many "Pope Song" fans, you equate innuendo and petty gossip with credible evidence?
@Jerrymanda101 if your too ignorant to know about the child abuse sex scandals in the catholic church then you should really educate yourself. and if you do know about them, then you would know that, in almost every case, the priest in question was protected by his higher ups. a quick Google search will lead you to a panorama report that shows he changed the charges against a priest to vs young men, as opposed to vs 14 year olds.
@Jerrymanda101 You realize...The Pope IS covering them. He doesn't want news of child molestation to get out from anything that has to do with the Catholic churches. I would like for you to provide some evidence yourself that The Pope is so great and isn't covering them, this would like me asking someone to provide evidence on why Bush didn't go to Iraq for oil.
@Jerrymanda101 I have no idea if there's any "credible" evidence to support the idea that the Pope defends those numerous Catholic priests accused of sexually abusing children, its existence or lack thereof is irrelevant. The Vatican is a country, the Pope a head of state. If there is a serious internal problem in a country, external forces come in to check everything is OK. Like we see in Syria at the moment. The Pope refuses any external investigation into this. So fuck him.
@Jerrymanda101 Instead of being disciplined, Father Murphy was quietly moved by Archbishop William E. Cousins of Milwaukee to the Diocese of Superior in northern Wisconsin in 1974, where he spent his last 24 years working freely with children in parishes, schools and, as one lawsuit charges, a juvenile detention center. He died in 1998, still a priest. – NYTimes
@Jerrymanda101 There's your proof, you simple minded fool. Also Tim's main message in this song is that if the song offends you more than the POSSIBILITY of the pope covering up child rape than you are morally misguided.
This song obviously upset you, and therefor you are morally misguided.
The pope should be behind bars or at least on trial. The Vatican is useless and it is financially supported by the money of fools. That's like stealing money from your grandmother; it's sick !
If you think this song is directly antipapal or anticatholic you obviously have no idea what the song is about. Have a look at the lyrics the point he was making was 'if' and it isn't meant to just point towards the pope but the entire instituion that is the Catholic church. People in the church were aware of what was going on and covered it up. The reason the pope is the focus of the song is because he is the leader of the organisation in question.
@Jerrymanda101 Actually, rather than denying it the pope issued a public apology implying his guilt, where is the need for evidence there? There's also the first-hand experiences of the people who were abused if you seriously want evidence it happenned
I agree with Minchin. The cover up by the Catholic Church in Ireland is well documented. Paedophile priests were moved to different areas rather than disrobed or prosecuted. The Church covered their acts to save face. I think this is the point of the song. Minchin sets out to provoke a reaction - the point being that one should be more upset by the abuse and cover up than the song. Which are you Jerrymanda ?
@251805 I couldn't help but notice you didn't accuse Pope Benedict of any involvement with the abuse that happened in Ireland. And I commend you for that. However the theme that runs through Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" is that Pope Benedict has been protecting paedophiles, which of course is a complete lie. And that's the point of my commentary. Anyway, is Minchin really that upset over sex abuse? It's obvious his "Pope Song" is more about promoting lies and hate than concern for abuse victims.
The credible evidence to support the slurs is the voices of all abused, who should have been protected by the priests, bishops, cardinals and ultimately the Pope. They failed in protection. Children were abused by priests under Ratzinger's watch as an Archbishop and he had authority and responsibility as Cardinal which could have saved so much suffering. Inaction and reliance on inadequate measures instead of following expert advice and procedures could have stopped this abuse happening.
@Cathie59 Your inability to think rationally is astonishing. It is well understood that local bishops are responsible for the overseeing of priests in their particular diocese, not the Pope or any Cardinal in the Vatican. It's difficult to imagine how you envisage a Pope or Cardinal in the Vatican overseeing the activities of the Church's 400 000 priests scattered over the entire globe.
I apologise if my thinking my appear irrational. As I have tried to explain numerous times, it is the system which was the responsibility of those in authority that allowed this to happen. It allowed members of my family to be sexually abused by priests. It allowed it to continue when elsewhere in systems others in authority put structures in place to protect children. Benedict was part of that system, as bishop and later in the Vatican.
He could have opened his eyes to the harm occuring and asked experts for help in putting things right. He did so too late and many were harmed.
I will take no further place in this conversation as we have no common ground to stand on to converse on. I can only hope that one day you will realise the harm you are now doing to the church by your continued argument, and to those who have been abused, who have suffered enough.
@Cathie59 Ask experts for help in putting things right? One doesn't need to ask an expert. Simply following the directives of the Church document "Crimen Sollicitationis" would have prevented much of the abuse. One of the errors local bishops made in dealing with abusive priests during the 1970s and 1980s was in listening to "expert" psychologists who preferred to "treat and repair" abusive priests instead of removing them from public ministry.
@Cathie59 Nobody is saying the "system" didn't fail. The 1922 Church document "Crimen Sollicitationis" demanded anyone with knowledge of a sexually abusive priest was to denounce that priest. That wasn't happening. By 2001 Ratzinger became aware that local bishop's were failing to properly deal with abusive priests, and so asked to take control of the problem. As Cardinal and Pope he used his authority to fix the previous failed "system".
You keep throwing out variations of the word "lie" but...you don't really give your evidence for how he's lying, you're just calling him a liar. And you can't just assume a lawyer is looking for publicity because I highly doubt you know them personally. You're just mad because someone is calling out someone whom you obviously respect for giant coverings up of a rather disconcerting scandal. Amazing how Catholics just sweep these scandals under the rug but whinge about other people's SO much.
@TardisNerdGirl You suggest (petty gossip?) Pope Benedict is guilty of "giant coverings up of a rather disconcerting scandal". Yet surprise, surprise you produce no credible evidence to support such a suggestion. Why is that? And your answer can't be, "because I a Tim Minchin fan".
@Jerrymanda101 ...I haven't seen anyone say "Because I'm a Tim Minchin fan," so stop throwing out idiotic statements. voices.yahoo.com/the-pope-speaks-out-paedophile-priests-catholic-5669448.html The allegations are all over the place and seeing as the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, isn't really doing anything about it, it is as good as covering it up. That's what he's saying. When it becomes a real problem, and one bishops know about as well, inaction is enough to lose respect.
@TardisNerdGirl Allegations against Pope Benedict may well be "all over the place". But why is it that you haven't produced any credible evidence to show any wrongdoing on his part?
Part of your difficulty is caused by the fact that most of the sex abuse occurred prior to Ratzinger/Benedict having any responsibility for dealing with it.
Since Ratzinger gained some control over the problem in 2001 he has introduced changes to Church procedures to better deal with the problem.
@Jerrymanda101 well...we can't say this to you,cuz you won't undestand,cuz you don't want to..and btw,why you didn't allow thumbs up/down bar? afraid of critics?
@MrDannythedick Why did I disable voting? To better encourage Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" fans to post comments, and thus show just how stupid and unsophisticated "Pope Song" fans are.
The pope was also accused of covering up the sex abuse scandal in Texas, but used his diplomatic immunity to avoid prosecution. Which is exactly what you would do if you were innocent of the charges and wanted to avoid a slur on your character.
@tangoed2whiskey The key question in this case is, who is accusing the Pope? Is it a State Prosecutor trying to lay criminal charges against the Pope? No, it's a lawyer looking for some publicity and money by filing a Civil suit. Correct me if I'm wrong but can't any nutter file a Civil suit? Note also that the suit uses a 2001 directive of Ratzinger as proof that he conspired to cover up sex abuse in the 1990s. Isn't that chronology all "back to front"?
@Jerrymanda101 six accounts of abuse by priests in a country in a year is 'not too bad'? I think you should probably take that back. Accepted there is no cast-iron evidence linking the pope personally to his child-molesting priests, but there are plenty of cases where priests have been disciplined within the church rather than being reported to the police (a couple of cases in Ireland spring to mind), and that is a problem with the Catholic organisation as a whole, of which the Pope is the head.
How many Church men raped or still do? How many victims didn't speak up yet? How's the Vatican reacting to all those? The pope is their voice, but takes no responsibility. Covering up is a step away
Your God's existence is the stupidest myth of the history of mankind. You still believe in it
A lie is a lie. No matter how old, how many blind followers is has, how clingy their are to their illusions
@nancydiane86 The sex abuse that occurred in the Catholic Church has largely stopped. Nearly all cases of priest sex abuse happened between 20 - 60 years ago, new cases or priests abusing minors are conspicuous by their absence.
As stated before the overseeing of priests is the responsibility of the local bishop not the Pope. However a brief outline as to what actions the Vatican has taken over the years can be found here:
@Jerrymanda101 And Ratzinger was instrumental in protecting the guilty parties and moving them to new parishes. He's the one ostensibly in charge. Protecting or aiding the guilty is called being an accessory after the fact.
@Jerrymanda101 Sex abuse was systematically covered up by the Catholic Church for years and years - there's no denying it. If you choose to be associated with such horrific rape and torture of children under the care of rapist men who pray to the same God you do - that's your choice, but don't try and defend the indefensible. 20-60 years ago is absolute bollocks. Men have always raped - since the beginning of time, you really think this is isolated to the last century?
@Jerrymanda101 Come to South America and see what happens here. It hasn't stopped, and church protects paedophiles. They don't even go to jail because they can afford better lawyers than their victims, often orphans or poor kids.
@ThisHaloFan There are credible philosophical arguments for the existence of God. You may not fully agree with or understand them, but they do exist. The Magis Center of Faith and Reason might be a good place to start looking at those arguments: magisreasonfaith(dot)org/
But regardless of whether or not God exists, the fact remains that Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" is nothing but lie filled hate-mongering, and only very stupid people who can't think for themselves would applaud such a song.
@Jerrymanda101 Philosophical arguments mean absolutely nothing in terms of evidence. And I would like to see these "credible" arguments that don't have credible counter arguments.
I wasn't arguing anything for Minchin. Stop looking for an excuse to push your beliefs.
I find it pretentious when someone gets mad*cough*YOU*cough*at someone whos just poking fun at something and also speaking his mind.So what if those lines are bullshit,thats the whole point of the song.Its also hipicritical to get irritated by someone speaking there mind yet when you speak of the pope being great you neglect the fact that there maybe people out there who dont feel the same way.The moral of the story is think before you bitch and complain on the internet about a song.
@TheNayrKid Oh, so it's about feelings is it, not facts. Especially the fact that Tim Minchin's fans seem incapable of producing anything credible to support Tim Minchin's slurs.
I think you're just wrong Jerry. The pope said that the Catholic's babyraping ways were to be guarded under the highest level of catholic secrecy, which would make it a pontifical secret. If that's not covering for kiddiefucking, which is what Tim is accusing pope benedict the diddler of children of doing, I don't know what is.
Catholics never leave their boy's behind. I personally think the cops should seize any kids raised Catholic from their parents and make them Protestant to prevent rapes.
@StatesAdmin It will be of no surprise to anyone that you can't support your claims with credible evidence. Unless of course you think that the deliberate misconstruing of Church documents, innuendo, and petty gossip count as credible evidence.
@topspinfreekick No one is stopping Tim Minchin from defending his hate-mongering. In fact I wish Tim Minchin would come on here and try to defend his hate-mongering. If anyone out there knows Tim personally, maybe they could persuade him to do so.
@Jerrymanda101 there is also no credible evidence for god, so he just took events that happened over the years (priest fiddling with little boys) and make a nice little song about it.
@StroopwafelProducts No, Tim Minchin took the fact that a small percentage of priests (but yes even that's bad) were fiddling with little boys, then created a lie that Pope Benedict had been protecting such priests.
@FullMetalAlcohol In Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" Minchin says anyone offended by his song should write a letter. I instead, chose to do a YouTube commentary.
By the way, have you found any credible evidence to support Tim Minchin's slurs against Pope Benedict, or are you like most "Pope Song" fans who stumble onto this video, content with innuendo, petty gossip, and deliberately misconstrued Church documents?
@Jerrymanda101 Why do you think this rumour of Catholic priests fooling about with kids even exists. Because it fucking happens. It has been around for a lot longer than this song, fuktard.
@FullMetalAlcohol The Catechism of the Catholic Church DOESN'T say it's okay to have sex with children, and the Church document "Crimen Sollicitationis", which dates back to about 1917, explicitly says anyone who knows of a priest having sex with a minor has to denounce that priest.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church can be found at the following address:
old.usccb.org/catechism/text/
You might want to familiarise yourself with its contents before making stupid comments.
@PrudwithoutGod Great last post! I for one would love to see a cardinal banging his shoe on the table at the UN.
@Jerrymanda101 Sheesh, would you stop obfuscating and get the godbothers link to Piers Akerman's piece fixed so readers can appraise it for themselves? You are able, aren't you?
you gus are the ones that belive in a giant sky fairy , the burden of proof is on you to prove you relion and book to be fact. 2011 years so far and you still have not, why becuase its all a lie. Were as scince has proven and give us so much in the same time.
@FullMetalAlcohol Yeah sorry about that. But once you realise Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" is nothing but lie filled hate-mongering it does change one's attitude to the song.
I love how you say "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". I think many of the claims in the bible are pretty extraordinary... but as of yet I haven't seen any extraordinary proof.
And then when you said, "And your fans are in the palm of your hand. I reckon you could tell them anything and they'd believe you, regardless of how stupid it was." The bible has some pretty ridiculous stuff in it too, and many people seem to blindly believe that.
@MrMegabytes You may be correct, but how does that change the fact that Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" is nothing but lie filled hate-mongering, and that his "Pope Song" fans can't produce anything better than innuendo, petty gossip, and deliberately misconstrued Church documents to support Tim Minchin's slurs?
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(this survey was done over all the jails/gaols in the world) more religious people go to jail than non-religious people, more christian-based religious people go to jail than other religions, more catholics go to jail than other types of christian-based religious people and therefore it is easy to assume that the leader of that religious group is up to no good himself, also, LOL my friend showed me this song and we both thought the side-comments made it funnier
Holzilla12 4 hours ago
Awesome song! I can honestly say I probably would never have seen this video if you hadn't posted it!
blaatann 5 hours ago
Hahahahaha "given there is no credible proof" So you need credible proof to convict a man of crimes he may have in fact committed but you'll believe there's some dude controlling life based on . . . ? What? Cause I know you couldn't be so hypocritical to believe that on word alone, I really hope this is a troll cause if not I worry for the future of humanity.
Furis278 18 hours ago
the angry messages that come up during this video just make it even more HILARIOUS
dadamdilby 22 hours ago
Wow. The sheer stupidity of Jerry's notes managed to make the song even more hilarious.
I wonder, is the fact that "Manda" means "Cunt" in Russian relevant? Probably not. Still worth mentioning. Might be a divine sign or something.
IMil42 1 day ago
Thank you, Jerry, for spreading Tim's message even further afield.
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TheAgnosticApe 1 day ago
ROTFL copter the uploaders little notes. . .
pigfarts100 1 day ago
I love that whoever wrote this thinks they were engaging in a debate with the song. Particularly when at 3 mins 30 they say "But Tim the point remaims..." as if they're annoyed he's ignoring their comments!
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S10001 1 day ago
Did anyone elses brain nearly hemorrhage at the sheer irony of the statement displayed at 1.20?
Holy fuck.
sonofajew 2 days ago
@sonofajew :)
S10001 1 day ago
i love how you take this all so personally...im catholic but im not even gonna look into it...this is still my favorite song
KuhlerBenutzername 2 days ago
whats with the text on top of the vid? come on, its ok. you dont have to prove anything.
dredlocks457 2 days ago
you can't argue with the popes credulous sheeplike followers, they don't have the intelligence or the capacity to listen, brainwashed braindead bullshit swallowing bores.
thewhippetbeans 2 days ago
great song , great man ! keep hating that pope, his song is true, ours is not! check it out if u have a moment, the godbotherers should take a good look in the mirror and leave nice, educated respectful free people alone. peace n love n comedy, cheers, twb
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I went to the Vatican and played this song during the Popes service. I think your mother-fucking captions made me love the song and Tim even more. Fuck the Pope!
Cerealityful 3 days ago
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Cerealityful 3 days ago
this song, if nothing else, is why tim's my hero. it only demands respect. so. shove the captions somewhere they'll be more entertaining for you.
NyxsWolf 3 days ago
Who else just loves listening to this song on a Sunday when every other stupid Mother-fucker Catholic is in church ;)
thedeathnight 3 days ago
I love this song. And to the dude who wrote the captions, read a newspaper. Enlighten yourself. Educate yourself. Fist yourself even.
battlepimp 4 days ago
I come back to this video now and then to laugh at your captions.
DrPerki 4 days ago
I love how the ratings are disabled. If they weren't, then it might reflect how people actually feel about Tim Minchin.
aliendragon17 4 days ago
who is this chick?
skumrock 4 days ago
Calm down guys, it's just a mother-fucking song...
trueglowstickfashion 5 days ago
@trueglowstickfashion Hahahahahaha, if only it worked that way
Cowboy77 4 days ago
1:14 dice: "otra vez" ???
misectatv 5 days ago
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof?
The irony in this is that you're christian.
oppstoppersnopp 6 days ago
@Jerrymanda101 You are a cunt!!
katandroxy7 6 days ago in playlist tim new
All I see here is butt-hurt. God, I love Tim Minchin so much more if he can piss people off like this. Fuck the motherfucking Pope.
OddCompany 6 days ago
sounds like your jimmies are really quite rustled
mattisterribleatgame 1 week ago
I wouldn't expect a detailed and cited argument in a comedy song, which simply draws attention to the Pope's alleged involvement in covering up child abuse, to expect a detailed argument with citations for supporting evidence from a 3:30 song is ridiculous.
proteintoenail 1 week ago
Dear Jerrymanda101, your annotations DID NOT have the intended effect. Like many other viewers I thought Tim Minchin > you!!!!! bahahaha. Get used to it
snowglobe87 1 week ago
You guy's are dumb, Religion doesn't cause problem MAN cause problem. Plus none of you even know that percentage of how many priest actually molested children... It was 0.7% of all priest the media just made it seem like 1 out of -2 priest were molester's and couldn't EVER be trusted. Their are more teacher's that molest children than Priest have, and Pope Benedict has authorized an investigation of this matter and remember those victims were hurt and so were the priest so to be real pray for em
TheLent12 1 week ago
@TheLent12; Because the fact that it was only 0.7% makes it OK if the church covered it up? And the point here is not that it happened but that the Catholic church (allegedly) allowed it to happen and even covered it up when it did happen - i.e. facilitated it happening; which may help explain why 0.7% of priest when far less than 0.7% of people in general do.
Re teachers - there are more teachers than priests, come up with credible figures as a percentage if you want to make a point.
S10001 1 day ago
Christians surround themselves with lies every second of every day, pardon me if I don't trust your judgement. Priests are famous for assaulting children, deal with it. Religion causes problems.
SDSKamikaze 1 week ago
@SDSKamikaze
as far as religion causing problems, I disagree highly, but I do agree that people who are supposed to be part of a moral higher ground should not be assaulting children sexually. And as for TheLent12's argument, that may be true, that there are more teachers that do it, but they aren't passing judgement on me when I lie to someone I don't like and tell me I'll go to hell for my dishonesty.
SetsuNinja 1 week ago
@SetsuNinja People who are of a moral higher ground shouldn't be abusing children? Buddy, no one should be abusing children. The fact is religion as a whole causes not only abuse but war, persecution and if religion is correct (which it isn't) famines/natural disasters.
SDSKamikaze 6 days ago
@SDSKamikaze
you know what I meant, dude.
My point was that these folk are supposed to be the people we look to for guidance and purity in a sinful and unsure world. They are the people we SHOULD be able to look to for an example of clean living.
Religion itself is a great thing, however, which gives us many of our morals and values, whether we realize or admit it, or not. However, what people do in the name of religion? That's where everything goes wrong and wont vanish with it
SetsuNinja 6 days ago
@SetsuNinja Human nature does not work well with religion, and so, it is a bad thing. That's basically what you're saying.
SDSKamikaze 5 days ago
Fuck the pope and all the child raping priests,
auroradamien 1 week ago
I think its time to turn the mirror back on yourself bro. You demand credible evidence for the beliefs of complete strangers, yet fail to hold yourself up to the same standard. You'd be hard pressed to find "credible evidence" (extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof(?)) to support your catholicism.
But judging from your unfunny snarky annotations, ill-conceived blog, and continued trolling I assume this is just a passive aggressive outlet to satisfy your need for attention. Carry on.
DM0ney69 1 week ago
Religious people needs to learn to take a joke. It's people like this who give other religious people a bad reputation. There are those who believe in god, but don't go batshit crazy over a parody song. Probably because they were born with the rare gift of belief AND common sense.
Vraan 1 week ago
Pro tip: This song is way more enjoyable after turning off those pesky annotations.
SpikeWolfwood 1 week ago
@SpikeWolfwood word.
maggiepriceless 1 week ago
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@Jerrymanda101 I can't help but wonder why someone so dedicated to defending the pope would upload such a video. The only two reasons I can possibly see are:
1. To attract attention
2. To troll
Jordozzie 1 week ago
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Jordozzie 1 week ago
bitches please. mr tim minchin is a beast.
jamiesnits 1 week ago
Don't blame the pope. He's following the same bullshit religious belief most people in America
do. Although he's the top dog so I guess he should be accountable.
Diddlen 1 week ago
i love how who ever posted this one of your points is that there is no PROOF that the pope helps protect pedophiles, and yet you seem fine with telling people that god is real without proof.
hoorahforsnakes 1 week ago
Ha ha... the comments inserted to the video is just so funny. Like: every in the crowd will believe anything you (Tim) says. And this comes from a person who defends the Pope! that is just too funny!
Alabasterocean 2 weeks ago
Put the pope on trial please
Alabasterocean 2 weeks ago
Who posted this video? An evangelical who lives under a rock?
persianprideeliar 2 weeks ago
Say what you want about his views, it's a motherfucking catchy song.
ciaracustard 2 weeks ago
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Nergalization 2 weeks ago
Seriously... you want proof that the Pope didn't protect child molesters? Do you live in a cave?
Or are you seriously arguing the Pope is okay, is the just the rest of his church that are bad and he hasn't noticed?
Wincenworks 2 weeks ago
@Wincenworks Some points for you to reflect on: 1. You need to ask yourself why you can't produce any credible evidence to support yours and Tim Minchin's slurs against Pope Benedict.
2. It has always been and continues to be the responsibility of local bishops to oversee the behaviour of priests not the Vatican. However since 2001 Ratzinger/Benedict sought and received more authority to deal with abusive priests and has made changes to Canon Law so as to better deal with such priests.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 1. Aside from the numerous abuses and cover ups in the past 30 years where he's been responsible? And letters where he prioritises reputation over justice? Or do I need to provide a video of him confessing after some kids pull a latex mask off him?
2. Local bishops report to archbishops who report to cardinals who report to...? This is not isolated cases, it's an ongoing trend and thus the problem is with leadership and not individuals. Who is the leader again?
Wincenworks 2 weeks ago
@Wincenworks Responsibility for overseeing the activities of priest has always rested with local bishops not Cardinals or Popes in the Vatican. And that continues to be the case today. In 2001 Ratzinger asked and received greater authority to deal with the sex abuse problem. In case you can't count that's 10 years ago not 30 years ago. Regarding your claim, "Letters where he [Ratzinger/Benedict] prioritises reputation over justice". I'll label that as deliberately misconstruing Church documents.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 1. Google what a chain of command is. 2. He was made Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in 1981, which is when he became responsible for maintaining moral standards in the Church. So by your reckoning, that means it took him 20 years to work out child molestation was a problem, after covering up several instances of it. 3. You are living under a rock.
Wincenworks 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 I'm still here! You are yet to provide credible proof that the pope is not covering up for pedaphilic priests. You miss the point entirely. Despite several sources (which you discredit based purely on your own opinion), you still insist on defending someone who heads a corrupt organisation that has been the cause of many troubles within human history. Believe what you want, just keep it to yourself, okay?
TheBahamunt 1 week ago
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PastaBakeMilkShake 2 weeks ago
The Catholic Church is covered in shit because they've been raping boys and covering it up for a long time and someone is offended because a musician sings a song calling the Pope a motherfucker. Hmm...
surveyork9 2 weeks ago
@surveyork9 Child abuse happens in all institutions that deal with children, and the facts indicate the Catholic Church dealt with the problem no better and no worse than other institutions. People who work in the area of child protection don't recognize the Catholic Church as having a greater problem than other institutions:
thedailybeast(DOT)com/newsweek/2010/04/07/mean-men.html
See also a study commissioned by the US Department of Education:
wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Charol_Shakeshaft
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
I love the irony of you annotations
Supposedly his fans are in the palm of his hand and would believe anything he said. Well damn me, isn't that exactly how religion started?
Oh, as a side note, I wouldn't believe anything he said. I just like the catchy tunes.
WANippy123 2 weeks ago
Well, regardless to your constant complaints and life wasted on a harmless song in my opinion, you've provided us with the song so now we have a place to praise the song rather then agree with you. YAY :D!!!!!!!
TheNayrKid 2 weeks ago
@TheNayrKid I've also provided a place for Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" fans to post credible information in support of Tim Minchin's slurs. Yet after more than 3000 comments all they can produce is innuendo, petty gossip, and deliberately misconstrued interpretations of Church documents. Who'd have thought someone as intelligent as Tim Minchin would have such a stupid fan base?
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101
Well we'd have to be pretty smart to deliberately misconstrue interpretations of Church documents. Unless you're saying its not that difficult to do in the first place?
WANippy123 2 weeks ago
thank god for the "hide annotations"-button. awesome song
ArppaC 2 weeks ago
@ArppaC
really? i found half the comedy in the annotations! haha
WANippy123 2 weeks ago
@WANippy123 So the other half of the comedy was in Tim's performance? Then why is it nobody in the audience is laughing during "Pope Song"? Isn't comedy suppose to be funny?
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101
Umm... Are we listening to the same song?
Not only do I hear laughter, I hear cheering and people are literally clapping along. Overall, I think the audience is pretty into it.
I for one was laughing the entire time, when I wasn't singing along that is. Thanks for the response though bud.
WANippy123 2 weeks ago
I wish the poster of this vid would stop fucking giving a running commentary, its just a song, its not revealed if he says it, its lies, and anyway, I like the song ^0^
Howlofthewolves 2 weeks ago
Sex abuse "largely stopped" - oh good! Stop following the fucking mother fucker.
KateBHillier 2 weeks ago
@KateBHillier Yes if you read the details of the Catholic sex abuse cases reported in the media you'll notice nearly all of them happened 20 - 60 years ago. Compare that with other sex abuse cases reported in the media; nearly all of which are from recent times.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
If it was lies, couldn't the Catholic church and/ or the pope sue him for libel? Pretty sure they haven't so isn't that an admission of guilt?
MrGeorge897 2 weeks ago
@MrGeorge897 It has been suggested by some in the media that if the Pope was a normal citizen he would probably sue the likes of Tim Minchin. But the Pope isn't a normal citizen is he.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
It comes to something when a so- called 'good' religion has to actively defend itself against what they say are lies. Watch Christopher Hitchens talk about the artrocities committed by leaders of the catholic faith... pretty damning evidence I'd say!
MrGeorge897 2 weeks ago
@MrGeorge897 So you don't think people should defend the Pope against lies? Either way Fr Robert Barron of "Word on Fire" fame answers Christopher Hitchen's claims:
youtu(DOT)be/RBp9Tgkmk7w
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
There are no lies in Tim's song. He simply says "if he covered" for a single pedophile than he's as evil as the rapist. Totally agree.
drgregsgurl 2 weeks ago
@drgregsgurl So why does Tim Minchin repeated call the Pope a motherfucker?
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 You're a dickhead. He's a fucking comedian, he is entertaining and not having a serious go at Catholic church. He is actually quite tolerant of religions, I used to know him. it's just his Aussie humor. It's dick heads like you that made me turn away from the Catholic church in the first place. Good going fuck-face, just keep on making the Church look like some used tampon that criticizes everything.
Thatsit36 2 weeks ago
@Thatsit36 Yes, Tim Minchin is a comedian. But why is nobody laughing during his Pope Song performance?
To be honest Aussie humour has never been particularly good, even if "Kevin Bloody Wilson" packed them in.
I suppose I should feel sad that you've left the Church. But I don't. The last thing the Church needs are parasites who do nothing for the Church.
And finally I wasn't criticising "everything". I was criticising Tim Minchin's lie filled hate-mongering and his stupid fans who cheer him on.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 That's such a typically Catholic and generally Christian tack. The church is supposed to love everyone and accept all, regardless of their backgrounds and whatnot. Now you say it's better off without him? That simply contradicts all of your major morals. I think you're just very put out by the fact that there isn't any ground for a good old fucking catholic song as catchy as this!
Mijitman4914 2 weeks ago
I can't believe the arguing in this thread, can anyone say "troll"? It's clearly the case. Otherwise, the poster actually thinks he's making a point in which case he is a brainwashed bigoted fool incapable of being reasoned with, making the debate moot. Either way it's pointless.
spinycrayfish 2 weeks ago
@spinycrayfish I couldn't help but notice your didn't produce any credible evidence to support Tim Minchin's slurs against Pope Benedict. Is that because, like so many "Pope Song" fans, you equate innuendo and petty gossip with credible evidence?
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
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timetorock69 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 if your too ignorant to know about the child abuse sex scandals in the catholic church then you should really educate yourself. and if you do know about them, then you would know that, in almost every case, the priest in question was protected by his higher ups. a quick Google search will lead you to a panorama report that shows he changed the charges against a priest to vs young men, as opposed to vs 14 year olds.
so yeah.
eat shit and die
morrisrussellwillis 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 You realize...The Pope IS covering them. He doesn't want news of child molestation to get out from anything that has to do with the Catholic churches. I would like for you to provide some evidence yourself that The Pope is so great and isn't covering them, this would like me asking someone to provide evidence on why Bush didn't go to Iraq for oil.
MrSpruceDread 1 week ago
@MrSpruceDread evidence bush didnt go into iraq for oil... he didnt have the brainpower to think of that
hoorahforsnakes 1 week ago
@hoorahforsnakes ....I have 0 replies. That was fucking brilliant.
MrSpruceDread 1 week ago
@Jerrymanda101 I have no idea if there's any "credible" evidence to support the idea that the Pope defends those numerous Catholic priests accused of sexually abusing children, its existence or lack thereof is irrelevant. The Vatican is a country, the Pope a head of state. If there is a serious internal problem in a country, external forces come in to check everything is OK. Like we see in Syria at the moment. The Pope refuses any external investigation into this. So fuck him.
FernandoFowler9 1 week ago
@Jerrymanda101 Instead of being disciplined, Father Murphy was quietly moved by Archbishop William E. Cousins of Milwaukee to the Diocese of Superior in northern Wisconsin in 1974, where he spent his last 24 years working freely with children in parishes, schools and, as one lawsuit charges, a juvenile detention center. He died in 1998, still a priest. – NYTimes
imoiinu 6 days ago
@Jerrymanda101 There's your proof, you simple minded fool. Also Tim's main message in this song is that if the song offends you more than the POSSIBILITY of the pope covering up child rape than you are morally misguided.
This song obviously upset you, and therefor you are morally misguided.
The pope should be behind bars or at least on trial. The Vatican is useless and it is financially supported by the money of fools. That's like stealing money from your grandmother; it's sick !
imoiinu 6 days ago
@Jerrymanda101
If you think this song is directly antipapal or anticatholic you obviously have no idea what the song is about. Have a look at the lyrics the point he was making was 'if' and it isn't meant to just point towards the pope but the entire instituion that is the Catholic church. People in the church were aware of what was going on and covered it up. The reason the pope is the focus of the song is because he is the leader of the organisation in question.
Also, its comedy, get over it.
amysampson1 6 days ago
@Jerrymanda101 Actually, rather than denying it the pope issued a public apology implying his guilt, where is the need for evidence there? There's also the first-hand experiences of the people who were abused if you seriously want evidence it happenned
AntiMatterWave 4 days ago
I agree with Minchin. The cover up by the Catholic Church in Ireland is well documented. Paedophile priests were moved to different areas rather than disrobed or prosecuted. The Church covered their acts to save face. I think this is the point of the song. Minchin sets out to provoke a reaction - the point being that one should be more upset by the abuse and cover up than the song. Which are you Jerrymanda ?
251805 2 weeks ago
@251805 I couldn't help but notice you didn't accuse Pope Benedict of any involvement with the abuse that happened in Ireland. And I commend you for that. However the theme that runs through Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" is that Pope Benedict has been protecting paedophiles, which of course is a complete lie. And that's the point of my commentary. Anyway, is Minchin really that upset over sex abuse? It's obvious his "Pope Song" is more about promoting lies and hate than concern for abuse victims.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
The credible evidence to support the slurs is the voices of all abused, who should have been protected by the priests, bishops, cardinals and ultimately the Pope. They failed in protection. Children were abused by priests under Ratzinger's watch as an Archbishop and he had authority and responsibility as Cardinal which could have saved so much suffering. Inaction and reliance on inadequate measures instead of following expert advice and procedures could have stopped this abuse happening.
Cathie59 2 weeks ago
@Cathie59 Your inability to think rationally is astonishing. It is well understood that local bishops are responsible for the overseeing of priests in their particular diocese, not the Pope or any Cardinal in the Vatican. It's difficult to imagine how you envisage a Pope or Cardinal in the Vatican overseeing the activities of the Church's 400 000 priests scattered over the entire globe.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101
I apologise if my thinking my appear irrational. As I have tried to explain numerous times, it is the system which was the responsibility of those in authority that allowed this to happen. It allowed members of my family to be sexually abused by priests. It allowed it to continue when elsewhere in systems others in authority put structures in place to protect children. Benedict was part of that system, as bishop and later in the Vatican.
Cathie59 2 weeks ago
He could have opened his eyes to the harm occuring and asked experts for help in putting things right. He did so too late and many were harmed.
I will take no further place in this conversation as we have no common ground to stand on to converse on. I can only hope that one day you will realise the harm you are now doing to the church by your continued argument, and to those who have been abused, who have suffered enough.
Cathie59 2 weeks ago
@Cathie59 Ask experts for help in putting things right? One doesn't need to ask an expert. Simply following the directives of the Church document "Crimen Sollicitationis" would have prevented much of the abuse. One of the errors local bishops made in dealing with abusive priests during the 1970s and 1980s was in listening to "expert" psychologists who preferred to "treat and repair" abusive priests instead of removing them from public ministry.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Cathie59 Nobody is saying the "system" didn't fail. The 1922 Church document "Crimen Sollicitationis" demanded anyone with knowledge of a sexually abusive priest was to denounce that priest. That wasn't happening. By 2001 Ratzinger became aware that local bishop's were failing to properly deal with abusive priests, and so asked to take control of the problem. As Cardinal and Pope he used his authority to fix the previous failed "system".
vatican.va/resources/resources_introd-storica_en.html
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
You keep throwing out variations of the word "lie" but...you don't really give your evidence for how he's lying, you're just calling him a liar. And you can't just assume a lawyer is looking for publicity because I highly doubt you know them personally. You're just mad because someone is calling out someone whom you obviously respect for giant coverings up of a rather disconcerting scandal. Amazing how Catholics just sweep these scandals under the rug but whinge about other people's SO much.
TardisNerdGirl 2 weeks ago
@TardisNerdGirl You suggest (petty gossip?) Pope Benedict is guilty of "giant coverings up of a rather disconcerting scandal". Yet surprise, surprise you produce no credible evidence to support such a suggestion. Why is that? And your answer can't be, "because I a Tim Minchin fan".
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 ...I haven't seen anyone say "Because I'm a Tim Minchin fan," so stop throwing out idiotic statements. voices.yahoo.com/the-pope-speaks-out-paedophile-priests-catholic-5669448.html The allegations are all over the place and seeing as the Pope, the head of the Catholic Church, isn't really doing anything about it, it is as good as covering it up. That's what he's saying. When it becomes a real problem, and one bishops know about as well, inaction is enough to lose respect.
TardisNerdGirl 2 weeks ago
@TardisNerdGirl Allegations against Pope Benedict may well be "all over the place". But why is it that you haven't produced any credible evidence to show any wrongdoing on his part?
Part of your difficulty is caused by the fact that most of the sex abuse occurred prior to Ratzinger/Benedict having any responsibility for dealing with it.
Since Ratzinger gained some control over the problem in 2001 he has introduced changes to Church procedures to better deal with the problem.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
He tells no lies. He says "IF". I agree, IF a person protects a kiddie rapist or indeed ANY rapist, they are as bad as the rapist.
pond3hopper 2 weeks ago
@pond3hopper So why does Tim Minchin repeatedly call the Pope a MotherFucker?
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 You don't need Tim Minchin to know the pope is a mother fucker...
CristianKirk 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 because he's a motherfucker.
KristusTF 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 I wouldn't say the pope is a mother fucker. I would say he is a joke.
bennyhennyp 2 weeks ago
@bennyhennyp "A joke", hardly. Google, "Ignatius press Benedict" and you might learn something.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
This hymn wins in my book :)
Minchin for life!
lawlrofl1 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 well...we can't say this to you,cuz you won't undestand,cuz you don't want to..and btw,why you didn't allow thumbs up/down bar? afraid of critics?
MrDannythedick 2 weeks ago
@MrDannythedick Your username seems most appropriate. If I was afraid of critics why would I still allow comments to be posted.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 oh yeah,so tell me,why you did not allow it? by the way,it is not about my nickname,
MrDannythedick 2 weeks ago
@MrDannythedick Why did I disable voting? To better encourage Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" fans to post comments, and thus show just how stupid and unsophisticated "Pope Song" fans are.
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
1. The pope is a Nazi
2. Turn off annotations
3. Sorted
cozajinn 3 weeks ago
The pope was also accused of covering up the sex abuse scandal in Texas, but used his diplomatic immunity to avoid prosecution. Which is exactly what you would do if you were innocent of the charges and wanted to avoid a slur on your character.
smh.com.au/news/world/pope-seeks-immunity-over-sex-abuse-suit/2005/08/17/1123958097061.html
tangoed2whiskey 3 weeks ago
@tangoed2whiskey The key question in this case is, who is accusing the Pope? Is it a State Prosecutor trying to lay criminal charges against the Pope? No, it's a lawyer looking for some publicity and money by filing a Civil suit. Correct me if I'm wrong but can't any nutter file a Civil suit? Note also that the suit uses a 2001 directive of Ratzinger as proof that he conspired to cover up sex abuse in the 1990s. Isn't that chronology all "back to front"?
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 six accounts of abuse by priests in a country in a year is 'not too bad'? I think you should probably take that back. Accepted there is no cast-iron evidence linking the pope personally to his child-molesting priests, but there are plenty of cases where priests have been disciplined within the church rather than being reported to the police (a couple of cases in Ireland spring to mind), and that is a problem with the Catholic organisation as a whole, of which the Pope is the head.
tangoed2whiskey 3 weeks ago
Dude.. he's a comedian.. don't take things so hard.. TT_TT
transreno 3 weeks ago
Your main argument is that nothing was proved
How many Church men raped or still do? How many victims didn't speak up yet? How's the Vatican reacting to all those? The pope is their voice, but takes no responsibility. Covering up is a step away
Your God's existence is the stupidest myth of the history of mankind. You still believe in it
A lie is a lie. No matter how old, how many blind followers is has, how clingy their are to their illusions
Your reply shows this song refers to you, yk
nancydiane86 3 weeks ago
@nancydiane86 The sex abuse that occurred in the Catholic Church has largely stopped. Nearly all cases of priest sex abuse happened between 20 - 60 years ago, new cases or priests abusing minors are conspicuous by their absence.
As stated before the overseeing of priests is the responsibility of the local bishop not the Pope. However a brief outline as to what actions the Vatican has taken over the years can be found here:
vatican.va/resources/resources_introd-storica_en.html
Jerrymanda101 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 And Ratzinger was instrumental in protecting the guilty parties and moving them to new parishes. He's the one ostensibly in charge. Protecting or aiding the guilty is called being an accessory after the fact.
MoriyaMug 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 Sex abuse was systematically covered up by the Catholic Church for years and years - there's no denying it. If you choose to be associated with such horrific rape and torture of children under the care of rapist men who pray to the same God you do - that's your choice, but don't try and defend the indefensible. 20-60 years ago is absolute bollocks. Men have always raped - since the beginning of time, you really think this is isolated to the last century?
KateBHillier 2 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 Come to South America and see what happens here. It hasn't stopped, and church protects paedophiles. They don't even go to jail because they can afford better lawyers than their victims, often orphans or poor kids.
BrigitteTube727 2 weeks ago
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nancydiane86 3 weeks ago
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nancydiane86 3 weeks ago
FLAG IT FOR CHILD ABUSE - IRONY ATTACK!!!
FullMetalAlcohol 3 weeks ago
Guess what there's also no credible evidence for? God.
ThisHaloFan 3 weeks ago
@ThisHaloFan There are credible philosophical arguments for the existence of God. You may not fully agree with or understand them, but they do exist. The Magis Center of Faith and Reason might be a good place to start looking at those arguments: magisreasonfaith(dot)org/
But regardless of whether or not God exists, the fact remains that Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" is nothing but lie filled hate-mongering, and only very stupid people who can't think for themselves would applaud such a song.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 Philosophical arguments mean absolutely nothing in terms of evidence. And I would like to see these "credible" arguments that don't have credible counter arguments.
I wasn't arguing anything for Minchin. Stop looking for an excuse to push your beliefs.
ThisHaloFan 2 weeks ago
I find it pretentious when someone gets mad*cough*YOU*cough*at someone whos just poking fun at something and also speaking his mind.So what if those lines are bullshit,thats the whole point of the song.Its also hipicritical to get irritated by someone speaking there mind yet when you speak of the pope being great you neglect the fact that there maybe people out there who dont feel the same way.The moral of the story is think before you bitch and complain on the internet about a song.
TheNayrKid 3 weeks ago
@TheNayrKid Oh, so it's about feelings is it, not facts. Especially the fact that Tim Minchin's fans seem incapable of producing anything credible to support Tim Minchin's slurs.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
I think you're just wrong Jerry. The pope said that the Catholic's babyraping ways were to be guarded under the highest level of catholic secrecy, which would make it a pontifical secret. If that's not covering for kiddiefucking, which is what Tim is accusing pope benedict the diddler of children of doing, I don't know what is.
Catholics never leave their boy's behind. I personally think the cops should seize any kids raised Catholic from their parents and make them Protestant to prevent rapes.
StatesAdmin 3 weeks ago
@StatesAdmin It will be of no surprise to anyone that you can't support your claims with credible evidence. Unless of course you think that the deliberate misconstruing of Church documents, innuendo, and petty gossip count as credible evidence.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
Wow Jerrymanda101 good job insulting Tim when he has no way to defend himself. Hes playing a song. Not having a debate.
topspinfreekick 3 weeks ago
@topspinfreekick No one is stopping Tim Minchin from defending his hate-mongering. In fact I wish Tim Minchin would come on here and try to defend his hate-mongering. If anyone out there knows Tim personally, maybe they could persuade him to do so.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
How do you know for sure he is lying?
StroopwafelProducts 3 weeks ago
@StroopwafelProducts I know Minchin is lying because there is no credible evidence to support what he is promoting.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 there is also no credible evidence for god, so he just took events that happened over the years (priest fiddling with little boys) and make a nice little song about it.
StroopwafelProducts 3 weeks ago
@StroopwafelProducts No, Tim Minchin took the fact that a small percentage of priests (but yes even that's bad) were fiddling with little boys, then created a lie that Pope Benedict had been protecting such priests.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
Wait.... you went to a famously anti-theistic comedian and expected to not get offended? Jerrymanda101, you're a fucking idiot.
FullMetalAlcohol 3 weeks ago
@FullMetalAlcohol In Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" Minchin says anyone offended by his song should write a letter. I instead, chose to do a YouTube commentary.
By the way, have you found any credible evidence to support Tim Minchin's slurs against Pope Benedict, or are you like most "Pope Song" fans who stumble onto this video, content with innuendo, petty gossip, and deliberately misconstrued Church documents?
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 Why do you think this rumour of Catholic priests fooling about with kids even exists. Because it fucking happens. It has been around for a lot longer than this song, fuktard.
FullMetalAlcohol 3 weeks ago
Don't you love Christianity? Can't have sex with other blokes, but fucking children - that's OK!
FullMetalAlcohol 3 weeks ago
@FullMetalAlcohol The Catechism of the Catholic Church DOESN'T say it's okay to have sex with children, and the Church document "Crimen Sollicitationis", which dates back to about 1917, explicitly says anyone who knows of a priest having sex with a minor has to denounce that priest.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church can be found at the following address:
old.usccb.org/catechism/text/
You might want to familiarise yourself with its contents before making stupid comments.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101 Why do they do it then?
FullMetalAlcohol 3 weeks ago
Round and round we go. Please stop feeding the troll.
sixstringedthing 3 weeks ago
@PrudwithoutGod Great last post! I for one would love to see a cardinal banging his shoe on the table at the UN.
@Jerrymanda101 Sheesh, would you stop obfuscating and get the godbothers link to Piers Akerman's piece fixed so readers can appraise it for themselves? You are able, aren't you?
ventreacle 3 weeks ago
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Twoseeeye 3 weeks ago
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Twoseeeye 3 weeks ago
Tim is total spot on right with this song.
HappyandAtheist 3 weeks ago
@HappyandAtheist Too bad you can't produce any credible evidence to support what either Tim Minchin or yourself say.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101
you gus are the ones that belive in a giant sky fairy , the burden of proof is on you to prove you relion and book to be fact. 2011 years so far and you still have not, why becuase its all a lie. Were as scince has proven and give us so much in the same time.
HappyandAtheist 3 weeks ago
Hey Jerry - fuck you for ruining a genius fucking song.
FullMetalAlcohol 3 weeks ago
@FullMetalAlcohol Yeah sorry about that. But once you realise Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" is nothing but lie filled hate-mongering it does change one's attitude to the song.
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
@Jerrymanda101
no its the truth about the church trying to cover up they child molesting priests.
HappyandAtheist 3 weeks ago
Sorry, i'm on the net on my phone these days. Cant upload pics .. Anyway Jerry , continue arguing, and i'll see you around .... :-)
nonutsnorris 3 weeks ago
@nonutsnorris ..... :-(
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
I love how you say "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof". I think many of the claims in the bible are pretty extraordinary... but as of yet I haven't seen any extraordinary proof.
And then when you said, "And your fans are in the palm of your hand. I reckon you could tell them anything and they'd believe you, regardless of how stupid it was." The bible has some pretty ridiculous stuff in it too, and many people seem to blindly believe that.
MrMegabytes 3 weeks ago
@MrMegabytes You may be correct, but how does that change the fact that Tim Minchin's "Pope Song" is nothing but lie filled hate-mongering, and that his "Pope Song" fans can't produce anything better than innuendo, petty gossip, and deliberately misconstrued Church documents to support Tim Minchin's slurs?
Jerrymanda101 3 weeks ago
whoever wrote those lines(argumenting Tim in video..rly?) ...go die,you don't know shit :)
MrDannythedick 3 weeks ago