God does not author confusion...Here is wisdom...Look into the ancient historic Jewish wedding proceedure. This is a symbolic ritual as is the slaying of the lamb for sacrifice, exemplifying the sacrifice of Jesus for the salvation of man. Clearly, the Wedding and seven day feast expresses the taking up of the bride, and the seven day (year) feast during the wrath (Tribulation) of God on the World. His return to Earth will THEN be with the saints to rule with Christ after the defeat of Satan.
@86Xforce@86Xforce the wrath of God that everyone keeps associating with the tribulation is misinterpreted..yall would do good to read the entire chapter & stop cherry picking verses...the wrath of God refered to here is the wrath that all unsaved people suffer that do not follow Chriist..not the wrath of God during the tribulation...
Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
@86Xforce Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
promoting your book and website.....making merchandise of the believers? BTW the last trump and the final (great) trumpet are two different trumpets. spend some time studying the feasts of the LORD.
@KJVWordofGod Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
@richardperry2 I love how people like you, crush any hope that people may have, no matter what it may be. also have you thought about what Jesus is to fulfill on the feast of trumpet? How about Atonment??? Lets see now the feast of trumpet mean a few things like the wedding feast. Could this be the rapture??? Oh and there Atonment THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. Hummm I wonder if God will Judge you for all the people you mislead about the rapture if it happen. THINK ABOUT IT
KJV (from Hebr / Chaldean / Aramaic / Grk) st8s POST TRIB & POST ANTI- (aka PHONY) CHRIST (halael / lucifer / satan / apollyon / abaddon / FALSE rock-tyrus / FAKE MORNING STAR / THIEF IN NIGHT) -re: KJV MATT 24: 5, 11, 12, then 15!, then 21 !, 23-24, then 29 !!!!-thru 34 !!!! MARK 13: 6, 14, 22, 24-30 !!!; 2 Thess 2: 1-12 !!!!! Ez 13:20 (contextually 16-23) !!! Get out your Bibles & READ IT 4 URSELVES instead of listening to phony WOLF as well as Biblic-ignorant so-called "preachers!"
The PRE & MID-TRIB cRapture THEORY (has EVERY1 4GOTN WHAT "THEORY" MEANS?!" =MORE cognitive dissonance on the cRapturists fault) & =NOT BIBLICAL; it's a false teaching device of MEN (& the devil!) that has NEVER been in the Word & NEVER will be. RE: KJV Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2:1-12, Ez 13:20 (16-23); where r all cRapturists VERSES proving ur pre or mid THEORY?! THEY DONT EXIST (NO, NOT 1 Thess 4 nor 1 Cor 15:52 either; theyre both @ 7th aka LAST TRUMP WHEN TRUE CHRIST RETURNS HERE AFT ANTI-C
@ballistix01 I will say this, then, farewell! You have referenced the KJV more than once in ur posts. You argue for Post-trib view (I never said "theory"- your words), but take classic mid-trib position. Never said what degrees I had, if any, only stated I had studied on those levels for 30+ years! Be careful not to denounce MANY GODLY people who teach contrary to ur beliefs. U and ur interp. of what Scripture says r not the final authority! Again, be well! 2 Peter 1:20-21
@jdock77 Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
& Of course Yehoshua didnt speak KJV, where the heck did u get that, 4 i NEVER SAID THIS. (More cognitive dissonance on your part, of personally opinionated conclusion) Go back & READ 4 URSELF MY BIBLIC REF'S: KJV (from the Hebr/Chaldea/Aramaic & Grk Manuscripts) Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2: 1-12, & tell me y they ALL st8 POST TRIB & FALSE-CHRIST if it's PRE or MID; because it Scripturally ISN'T, & never has, & NEVER will. Word st8s POST TRIB & POST FAKE CHRIST (satan) in those very Scriptures!.
1st of all, book smarts do not nec equate wisdom = Truth; another glaring example of how all these "degrees" mean literally almost nothing here, for Christ spoke so a child could understand, i will show several glaring errors u have made. Also further proof degrees can = little = ur mistake of cognitive dissonance; this is NOT MY vid! & i did NOT personally insult u; thats not true! The Word has corrected here. IDC how long u "studied" -if u got it wrong! Go back & READ 4 URSELF MY BIBLIC REF'S
"The first ones' taken" (in the "field" or @ the "mill or loom") r taken by the ANTI-C & NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND WHICH the UN-Biblic PRE/MID-TRIB cRAPTURISTS TEACH THE WRONG WAY AROUND TO MAKE-FIT THEIR BS "THEORY" (NOT "FACT!"), just as they teach 1 Thess 4 INCORRECTLY ascribing an early trump to the LAST AKA 7th AKA "7-7-7," they also always NEGLECT 2 TEACH Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2: 1-12, Ez 13: 20, etc etc all which DEBUNK & DISPROVE THE FALSE-DOCTRINE PRE,MID-TRIB cRAPTURE JUNK.
Trying to inform a falsely-indoctrinated person that the KJV Bible simply & clearly states its POST-Trib & NOT that UN-Biblical, false-doctrinal pre or mid-trib cRapture "THEORY" & u will see what its like to properly inform a BRAINWASHED INDIVIDUAL, for they'll SWEAR it's "in there" when its NOT. Re: KJV Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2: 1-12, Ez 13:20, etc etc. Days of Dan (solar / light / days) = LONGER than satans LUNAR-calendar / nights / DARKNESS bcaus we're to STAY WORKG IN FIELD @ "MILL"...
1 Thess 4 does NOT say its PRE NOR MID, but = @ LAST AKA 7th "Seal-TRUMPET-Bowl" AKA "7, 7, 7"! Anti-c comes @ "6-6-6" AKA 6th Seal-Trump-BOWL = JUST B4 THE TRUE CHRIST @ "7, 7, 7!" The PRE & MID TRIB = FALSE DOCTRINE OF MEN'S CHEAP TRADITIONS, & of SERPENTS, LOCUSTS, SCORPIONS, DEVILS, & DEMONS. RE: KJV Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2, Ez 13:20, Books of Dan & Rev, & many other Biblic passages both OT & NT! STOP LISTEN'G TO SELF-APPOINTED BIBLE-LAWYERS (DEGREES DONT NEC. = TRUTH) & READ 4 URSELVES!
Prob = most "C'ns" have been listeng to other ppl tell THEM WHAT Bible says" instead of READ'G 4 SELVES, i.e. putting their faith/trust in ANOTHER MAN/WOMAN RATHER THAN THEIR FATHERS WORD THEMSELVES, thusly perpetu8'g the pre & mid-trib cRapture (FALSE!-) THEORY (LIE). KJV Bible has NEVER NOR WILL EVER SAY PRE nor MID trib but says POST/AFTER: RE: KJV Matt24,Mark 13,2 Thess 2:1-12,Ez 13:20 & MANY other passages such as Books of Dan&Rev.Jacobs Trouble/solar calndr days = > satans lunar cal months
The Last Trump (a specific name for a specific trumpet) refers to the last trumpet sounded at the Feast of Trumpets! Paul, a Jewish rabbi, was intensely familiar with this concept and would use this language to refer to the trumpet of Rosh HaShana! To call any other trumpet the Last Trump is to misidentify it! Notice, Jesus did not refer to the last trump, but to a great trumpet blast! The Rapture will take place next in the redemptive plan of God and then will come the tribulation!
@jdock77:"Rapture will take place next in the redemptive plan of God and then will come the trib" = BIBLICALLY INCORRECT. RE: all the KJV passages listed in my prev posts: MATT 24 (esp v 15-31 !!, MARK 13, 2 THESS 2: 1-12, EZ 13: 16-23 contextually (esp. v 20!), etc etc. The KJV translated fr the OT Hebrew, Chaldean/Aramaic, & NT Greek has NEVER NOR WILL EVER SAY PRE NOR MID, for it already states POST AKA AFTER-re: those passages i've been listing! PRE & MID =UN-BIBLIC PARROTED FALSE "THEORY"
@ballistix01 Beg pardon, b/c I don't agree w/ you doesn't make me Biblically Incorrect! The feasts of Lev 23 show God's prophetic and redemptive plan. The next thing is Trumpets (rapture), Atonement (salvation of Israel) and Tabernacles (eternal state). Paul used last trump in 1 Cor 15 with this understanding.Consider "His elect" could be (are) those who gave their lives during the Trib. Rev. and 7th trump was revealed to John over 30 years later! Paul did not know of or teach the 7 trumpets.
@jdock77:AGAIN; all u pre & post trib cRapturists NEGLECT MY BIBLIC REFERENCES / PASSAGES & carry on business as usual w/ the phony THEORY doctrine. Y dont you all just suck it up, admit youve been had & ur mistake, & READ 4 YOURSELVES the MANY KJV passages i listed to see your pathetic FALSE "rapture THEORY" fall apart! Bible does NOT nor has EVER stated ANYTHING BUT POST TRIB, POST ANTI-CHRISTS ARRIVAL HERE. We're ALL changed @ LAST TRUMP AKA 7th; false-1 comes @ 6! ("666 as opposed to "777!")
@ballistix01 I won't waste my time arguing with you. I watched your vid, but you have not listened to 1 word I said. In the vid you quoted the Bible twice and G. Mueller twice! You have insulted me, I have not done so to you. I have studied this subject for 30+ years (including college and graduate studies) to come to my view. And btw, Jesus didn't speak KJV, just sayin'...Col. 4:6 "Let your speech be always with GRACE, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man."
@ballistix01 And 1 other thing...in reading your posts you argue against PRE, MID and POST! Where then would you place the rapture? Please note that if you believe that the Seventh Trumpet is the Last Trump, then you are MID as there are MANY things which follow this trumpet! Peace to you, my friend. Be well!
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
As you can see we have AT THE LAST TRUMP; followed by FOR THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, all in the same sentence. Are you trying to say these to statement have different meanings?
1 Corinthians 15:51 - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
As you can see we have AT THE LAST TRUMP; followed by FOR THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, all in the same sentence. Are you trying to say these two statements have different meanings?
@23rdchild Think about it. Why would he say "trump" and then "trumpet". He could have said, "at the last trumpet the dead in Christ" instead we have a "last trump" then we have a "trumpet" a sounding instrument. We automatically know the last "trumpet" would have to make a sound as "trumpets" do. I believe he was saying 2 different meanings because U can't play a "trump" as in music, but you can play a "trump" in a move. I'll "trump" in with my "trumpet" and joined the band while they play.
OF all these postings I like yours the best. You have an intellectual honesty. But you must completely forget ALL Christian dogma and doctrines, the common beliefs of the Return. Free your mind of these things He will return on a "cloud." The "cloud" is the dogma and doctrines commonly believed. This also happen the first advent, where the Jews believed He would come as a King of an earlhly kingdom. Cont.
@Beulah:RPerry=Biblically correct.Paul spoke Greek & COLLOQUIAL-Grk, as well as multiple/other languages Clouds="crowds" AKA "multitudes" of heavenly "HOSTS" just as metaphorical-slang "CLOUDS of locusts" (Arabi); & he spoke "run the Race as in a 'CLOUD' " (CROWD, MULTITUDE of heavenly HOST(s) = Gods TRUE children, whom the TRUE Christ brings w Him (1 Thes 4:13-17), NOT the false-1 who's coming 1stly @ "6-6-6" just PRIOR AKA B4 the True Christ Whom comes 2.5 to 5 mo later (Rev 9) @ "7-7-7")
Mr. Perry, I like and respect your videos above all others and I am reading your books. But you are making a serious mistake. Let me explain in maybe two of these postings. His return on a "cloud" means what? It means His coming will be obscured,, a cloudy issue. Why? Because of preconceived ideas of how it will. be. CONT.
i remember had trouble filling out my tax return as i did not want to accept i was liable to pay tax. but when i accepted the fact and went over it again it was plain as day. so itis with the doctrine of the pre trib. they find the plain eaming of scripture hard as they REFUSE to accept that the pampered church of the west in actually suffer.
and when they are being offered their lives if the deny Him how many will deny him as the rapture had not yet come and they think that falsifies Christ?
Perhaps all the trumpet calls of the angels in Revelation are the one big "Trumpet Call" of the angel(s) that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:31. Seeing that "7" is God's number, and the trumpets are "His" call of the angels, I think the rapture could be happening in the middle of the tribulation during this series of trumpet calls or "The trumpet call of God." Amen
@Slingblade347 Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
"Because you have kept the word of My patience, I also will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the WHOLE EARTH." Rev 3:10
"The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is TAKEN AWAY from the evil to come." Isa 57:1 "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought His judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger." Zeph 2:3
"Pray always that you might be counted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that are coming to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man (who is currently at the right hand of the Father in HEAVEN). Luke 21:36 "God cannot lie." Titus 1:2
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night...2 Pet 3:10 "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." Matt 24:42
Isa 26:20,21 Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. Pss 27:5 For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavilion: in the secret place of His tabernacle shall He hide me; He shall set me up upon a rock.
There are 5 wise virgins & 5 unwise. There is, according to scipture a falling away before the rapture comes. Why? Because 5 were seeking God with their whole heart And 5 were fast food christians,letting their Pastor spoon feed them. The Spirit of God didn`t write the scripure for only scholars to understand.But the very opposite! He wrote the scritures for those who are seeking him with their whole heart! Born AgainThe 1st disciples were fisherman,tax collectors,ect. Last trump is last trump!
That's true but no one knows WHEN the last trump trumps. In the mean time you are COMMANDED by your Lord to "Pray always that you might be counted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that are coming to pass and to stand before the Son of Man (who is at the right hand of the Father in HEAVEN). Luke 21:36
@Slingblade347 Ok, I`m not sure how you got me saying anything about trumpets in my comment? But ya, we are told to watch and pray by Jesus. I agree with you on that one. :o)
@Slingblade347 Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
yes, there is a "Last trumpet" in Revelations but, the last trumpet that paul talks about-can also mean, from the "Feast of Trumpets" - just because there is a last trumpet at the end of revelations doesn't mean it's not a festival trumpet from the Feast of trumpets... and it wouldn't make sense to pick up the church and come right back down... lol
@starsontheground - As you say, "because there is a last trumpet at the end of revelations doesn't mean it's not the Feast of trumpets.
From a careful examination of the Feasts and Festivals of Yahweh, I feel certain that the 7th Trumpet of Revelation is the Day of Trumpets which begins the Fall Harvest Feasts; of Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles.
Just as Hebrews 10 says, The law (feasts) are a shadow of the good things to come. The Fall Harvest Feasts await Christ's Second Coming.
@starsontheground : You gotta have biblical Hermeneutics. We cant just interperate the bible ANY WAY WE like. We gotta know WHO WHAT WHEN AND HOW the context is relating to. Just sharing with one to another
@starsontheground According to Romans 5:9, we are saved from his wrath through Jesus Christ. So that little "pick up" you mentioned, saves us from the bowls of wrath which comes after the last trumpet. A very worthwhile trip in my opinion!
Paul wrote to the Corinthians, about the "mystery" of the Rapture (1 Corinthians 15:51), not long after the middle of the first century; whereas, John recorded his great revelation near the end of the first century.
No one knows exactly when the rapture will be. The bible isn't totally clear on that. We should prepare for the worst and hope for the best. If you do not choose to prepare, you only have yourself to blame. It is a mystery, get it? We shouldn't sit around and not prepare for hard times, especially when so much is at stake.
No one knows exactly when the rapture will be. The bible isn't totally clear on that. We should prepare for the worst and hope for the best. If you do not choose to prepare, you only have yourself to blame. It is a mystery, get it? We shouldn't sit around and not prepare for hard times, especially when so much is at stake.
I aslo notice, on your web site, that you declare the first seal to have been broken on September 11th. You lecture ME on private interpretation and then dare to feel that you have the authority to make such a claim?????? Who told you that 9/11 was the first seal. How do you propose to back up such an outrageous and unprovable claim?
Thats all this guy does is private interpretation. This guy is so off the wall it makes me ill. He adds to scripture , takes away from scripture but you have exposed richard false teachings, well done jesusknight72.
You are COMPLETELY incorrect. You are assuming that the last trumpet spoken of in Corinthians is the same as the 7th trumpet judgement. This is not stated ANYWARE in scripture. There are MANY trumpets that are sounded through history. You are ASSUMING these two are the same. Also, paul would NEVER have been talking about the trumpet of REV. because that message had not even been given to John yet. Paul would have NO IDEA what the seventh trumpet of Revelation was.
You quote the statement in scripture about 'private' interpretation and you use your own private interpretation to support the fact that those two trumpets are the same . You're doing the very thing you just argued against. The Bible does NOT say that those two are the same. I'm simply stating that fact. Christ's message about 'a' trumpet was directed toward Israel not the church. He wasn't talking about the rapture.
Zechariah states clearly that the Feast of Tabernacles will continue into the millenium. If that is true, there will be trumpets blown for the feast. That's tradition. The Trump of God (last trump) is for the church signaling their gathering to Christ. Scripture says we meet the Lord himself in the air. Paul does not say angels gather us up to Christ in COR. It's just not there. You are using private interpretation, not me. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
@richardperry2 I love how people who does not know thw Bible has soooo much to say about it. 1 thess 4: 16-17 the "trump of God" is NOT the 7th trumpet But Rosh Hashanah the last last BLOWN is call the "TRUMP OF GOD" and IS the only holiday that has the last trumpet call TRUMP OF GOD" Now the feast of Atonment also has a last trump, I believe this will be the day Jesus will come back (fulfillment of the feast) at the last trump to judge the world.
@richardperry2 Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
@jesusknight72 You're interpreting scripture through humanistic eyes. The spirit of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. There is no conflict in Paul's writings and John's writings because they were given by one Author. I submit to you that Apostle Paul would have known about what John was writing and vice versa. God bless.
Join my new facebook group "I Will Be Ready If the Antichrist Comes in June 2010." Notice the keyword is "if." By joining you are not saying that the antichrist will definitely come in June 2010, but that this is very likely to be so since we are currently in 7 year peace treaty between Israel and the European Union which began 1/1/07.
The treaty is called the European Neighborhood and Partnership Instrument. Look it up. A good youtube video to see is called "End Times - 7 Year Deal with EU & Israel."
AGAIN: The book of Revelation has 7 trumpets blown. in Matthew Jesus mentions" at Last Trump" did he STATE 7th TRUMP? NO!!!... What does Roshasha REPRESENT? FEAST OF TRUMPETs" the Day noone knows the hour". The wedding Feast" a rehersal of a WEDDING FEAST. refering to the bride's maidens, some made it, the others SLACKERS. left behind. NOT WATCHING / . LUKEWARM Christians will be left behind. Sorry people. Jesus said it not me, He SPUES them out of HIS mouth. REV3:14... READ
Revelation, consists of a total of 7 trumpets by the angels . Jesus would have stated he was coming at the 7th trumpet. be didn't. FACT: RoshHasha is THE FEAST of Trumpets blown 100 times within 2 days equaling ONE day".COINED the day noone knows" inHebrew tradition(calendar. The Last trump is the last warning on Roshashana., the Trumpet Jesus refered to& disciples understood as FEASTday., REVELATION , not written yet.,A MYSTERY, because it's one of the 2 days. RAPTURED
john wrote the book of revalations .God only revieled those thingsin revalations to john that are in rev not matthew or paul . the 7 trump cant be the same cause pual wrote the last trump 59 A.D. john wrote rev 7th trump in 96 A.D. 30+ year diff john only knew about the 7th trump john was to keep them sealded . read your bible 2 timothy 2:15
my bible doesnt tell me im going to go throught the tribulation,im promised a rapture before the trib.luke 21;36 watch ye therefore,and pray always,that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass,and to stand before the son of man.this looks to me like JESUS saying im going to escape the tribulation.i believe his word over any mans interpitation.
36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.
In context this verse is found after Jesus is talking about the 2nd coming found in verse 27-28 to use these verse as a rapture escape is taking out context, as well if you read verse 34 Jesus is telling believers to not to be weighted down with the cares of these world because that Day refering to the 2nd coming will come
on who on "you" unexpectedly who are the "you" believers as for non believers read the next verse 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch to whom is He is speaking to believers and pray that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things and what things is He speaking about but the 2nd coming for Jesus Christ said in the prior verse 34 "that Day" found in verse 25-27, so prepare yourself we will be here till the end.
no your wrong because at JESUS second will be the judgement.and born again blood covered belivers will not be at the judgement.paul said count it blessed on who the second death has no judgement.the great white throne judgement for the lost.the rapture WILL seperate the goats from the sheep.study more then get back to me.
15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever! 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned
18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant[h] was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
The 7th Trumpet is the last trumpet found as well in Matthew 24:31
And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Here we read Jesus sending out He's angels to gather his elect from the 4 corners of the earth (the elect is the body of christ, brethern, believers, saints)
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Paul is speaking of believers who have died in Christ and will be raised first and the living believers will be instantly transformed into thier immortal bodies when Jesus returns.
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
again Paul is speaking of Jesus Christ at He's 2nd coming
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever."
This event is the last trumpet after the great tribulation because in the verse itself John wrote down "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ and shall reign forever and ever"
verse 18 "The nations were angry and Your wrath has come". the wrath of God has begun and is done when at the 7th trumpet read on
And the time of the dead, that they shall be judged And You should reward Your servants and prophets and the saints speaking of bestowing of rewards upon God's people.
U say as well the rapture will seperate the goats from the sheep. when these verse's spoken in Matthew 25:31-46 speak of Jesus Christ 2nd coming to judge all the nations who will be gathered before Him, and will seperate them one from another as a shepard divides his sheep from the goats, the sheep will be on His right hand "Come you blessed of My Father inherit the kingdom prepared
for you from the foundation of the world. as for the goats will be positioned to the left with Jesus Christ saying "Depart from Me, you cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels as well we find in verse 46 and these will go away into everlasting punishment speaking of the goats, but the righteous into eternal life speaking of the sheep
So in conclusion the 7th trumpet is the final trumpet of judgement the wrath of God and the goats and sheep will be seperated at that time, no rapture before the tribulation because there is no 8th trumpet
Yes, the 7th trumpet is the final trumpet and the goats and sheep will be seperated at that time, no rapture before the tribulation because there is no 8th trumpet.
However, the Judgment and Wrath of God, which is in the Bowls, will be poured out after the Last Trumpet on the Great and Dreadful Day of the LORD.
that funny, "hemiphili81",how you told someone to study more yet gave no actual scripture to support your beliefs. it;s amazing how we can parrot twisted theology so resolutely without actually studying in a diligent, scrutinizing fashion FOR OURSELVES. there is no pre trib rapture! be ready to fight in this last and most glorious battle!
Praise God! someone that do not compromise the truth
Rv 19 Explains 1 resurrection timing, and we'l not precede those who slept in Christ, they resurrect first and then those who remain will be transformed in a twinkling of and eye.
Read , Rv 19, 1Co 15, 1 Ts 4, 5; 2 Ts 2, Mt 24,
But the problem is that the disciples do not search the scriptures, they just buy books or dvds, and that is pretty much the Bible study they do about it, see if the teachings match Gods Eternal Word Act 17,11
You are absolutely right brother! Folks read books rather than the bible. That's what I did for years. It wasn't until I was teaching a class on end-times that I really got into the word regarding prophecy. Once I did tho, I couldn't find any mention of pre-trib or any suggestion of it. Plus, their so called supports are all twistings of the truth. I got a book by LaHaye & Ice "Charting the End-Times", it explained pre-trib so well that I couldn't see how I believed in it for so long.
ok read revalations 4:1-11 john is reveling a future event the rappture in verse 1 and the judgement seat of Christ is being set up that is where a lot of post tribes go wrong they dont cosider the judge ment saet of christ .God tells us this will be going on during the trib .after chapter 4 the church is never mentioned till we com back on our horses to fight amen read your bible .2 timothy 2:15
Hi, CRYSTAL, There's no point in stirring up strife debating this. The info is available on line about both pre & post trib so any one can study in peace. I was adamantly pre trib, I read all the pre books & new all the pre arguments. When I went to teach endtimes, I studied the word & found lots of support for post but NONE for pre, including the ones you gave here. I suggest you start w/ the Oasis Church, (Tampa?) web site. Pastor Tim Warner has a large section on endtimes. God bless.
The only thing Jesus said to be on alert that would CAUSE the end was "The Abomi-Nation" read it, this is not a condition this is an individuals name. I say again it is an individuals personal name! is it an angram for "The Obama-Nation"?? I am not saying it is but he is the One World leader according to the G8* summit, Ophra says he "IS THE ONE" Farakahn says he is the "MESSIAH" The Islamic Messiah though!! strange? or is it? we are their folks! now what?? You better hope im wrong!!
Every believer needs to know this right now, Do you know what and who the 144,000 are and what they will do very soon? the author is right on the last trumpet! but what of the first trumpet? the 7 trumpets are 7 plagues for 7 years, to hit Earth in months! 144,000 sealed of GOD will appear very soon, they are NOT physical Jews, they are True Christians from all over the world and will have the power to wage war against the nations and protect the true believers, that is their seal, GODS POWER.
If you can figure out when the "sudden destruction" of wicked persons takes place in I Thess. 5:3 (and also when "death" is ended in I Cor. 15:54), you will know where to place the rapture on your prophecy chart because those passages tell about the "times and seasons" (and also the "when" and "then" ) of the rapture. Neat, huh?
The rapture is not for everyone and only those who the covenant is confirmed with by the 144000, first the sealed will rapture (the 144000) then those they have confirmed will rapture exactly 7 years later, these are those who remain and come out of the great tribulation, as Paul wrote and confirmed by rev 7 The 144000 will not only confirm the covenant but will guide the church through the great tribulation to the last trumphet and both are gone!
"All you people of the world, you who live on the earth, when a banner is raised on the mountains, you will see it, and when a trumpet sounds, you will hear it." Isaiah 18:3
So basically what this vid is saying, is that were all going to fema camps and Denver camps, and they wil kill us and drink our blood. Well the pre trib rapture theory was nice, but now we got to weight for the time when one word army knocks on our door to fly us of too deep underground military confinement.
Ok here you show the verse pretrib use with attention to the mention of the LAST trump, but if you will notice none of the other trumpet sounds you mention specifically say where they are in the order they just say I heard a trumpet sound or blast also you say their are 7 but you dont specify them nor go into most of them. This could be signifigant cause ofcourse you realize the bible speaks of the rearranging of the first and the last. Our ways are not Gods ways
I dont say maybe not. It certianly does say last trumpet. But could it mean the last trumpet for those that will be kept FROM the hour of tribulation? How are you so sure it is the seventh and FINAL trumpet on the day of the Lord? I'll go with God too I need to know more about the series of trumpet sounds to be sure this refers to the final one on the day of the Lord. Dont you agree?
How can you say that the last verse in your list Rev. 11-15 speaks of the last trump which according to you is after tribulation? When right after this verse it speaks of the devil cast down to earth and that the Jewish people should flee to the desert, abomination of desolation, 666 mark 2 witnesses ect. clearly tribulation is not over yet. It must be confusing for you to try to figure out the order of it all if it skips back and forth like that. I dont know
Revelation 11:15 "The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, The time has come for judging the dead, and for Rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints."
Quoting the verse doesnt answer my question. If this is the Last trumpet rapture after tribulation verse that you use to explain your position, why is their further tribulation for the world AFTER this verse?
this comment seems like a mid trib point of view. I thought you were propagaiting post trib understanding. Rev11/15 is clearly at the mid trib point because it states right after about a 3 1/2 year period. My understanding of the Day of the Lord is it is at the very end during the battle of Armegeddon when the antichrist and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire
God Bess You Richard for this teaching. Have you always belived the Rapture was at the last trumpet? if not, when was it revealed to you. It was not revealed to me until October, 2001.
For many years I was a Pre-Trib dispensationalist. Then starting in 1997 I began to rely on Scripture for my beliefs instead of what I was being told by Men.
Mr. Perry, this is how it happened for me as well. Too many scriptures ( as you have shown) teach post-trib rapture/resurrection. It is so disturbing to see how many are deceived by big TV preachers by this false and dangerous doctrine. God-speed with your message, brother!
In the holy Name of Jesus, I bind all spirits surrounding RobertBarat365 not of The Holy Spirit and I send them to the foot of The Cross to be judged by The Lord!
please everyone pray for this persons soul. your prayers matter! God be with you RobertBaral365. may the Lord shine his blessing on you, & may the devils that blind you & hinder your path to God be bound & cast out in Jesus' holy name. i pray the Holy Spirit be with you & heal your heart as you read. Rob; the first step is to make the decision to follow Christ, then ask Gods help he will set you free from all this. I DARE YOU lol. come to our side. i welcome you in Jesus name. haha. /hugs ^-^
A circle of shade, I'm blessed by Satan. Prince of the darkened horde. A circle of flame, I'm touched by Lucifer. The eyes of demons blazing with fire. A circle of power, I'm seen by Belial. An emperor of the thousand abysses. A circle of sin, I'm embraced by Leviathan. Guardian of gates beyond this dimension. The four rituals cast within depths of hell. While Lucifer rapes christian souls. His laughter mixes with their howls of terror. Laughing as he rapes the sheep once again.
Screaming and laughing they are dancing in your head. The angels arrive scorched by the flames of Satan. On Sabbath day from the ashes come the demons. They are our kings of blasphemy. Sabbath day is now demon's day. Now they are the true masters of your fears. Dark clouds have obscured the sun. The demons from Hell are rising in your mind. You may run, though you can never hide. Their Satanic dancing has attacked your puny brain. You can't escape, they are the kings of blasphemy.
It has just been sounded everyone!!! people have been having the same vision and dream!! JANUARY!! BE READY, GOD's People! PREPARE YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY!
God's people are being purified! Get everyone to turn from wickedness and come out of the world!!! ITS HAPPENING NOW!
Would you even believe in the rapture if Jesus himself had said to "pray always that you are counted worthy to Escape the things to come and to stand before the son of man"
During the plagues of Egypt, God protected His children through all of them. Even the death of the first born. I don't contend it will be an easy time but I do believe God can protect His children in any situation. How can there be a "secret rapture" if it happens AFTER the seventh sounding of a trumpet?
ESCAPE THE BIG BATTLE BETWEEN JESUS AND satan AND THE FALLEN ANGELS YES WHEN THE TRUMPET SOUNDS AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISE AND WE WICH REMAIN ARE CAUGHT UP TO BE WITH THE LORD FOREVER THEN THE REAL BATTLE BETWEEN OUR LORD AND THE FALLEN ANGELS AND satan BEGIN THE LORD WITH HIS ANGELS WILL THEN FIGHT THE EVIL ON THE EARTH YOUR TAKEN OUT WHEN THIS BATTLE IS GOING ON.WE ARE FIGHTING EVIL NOW WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WHEN WE ARE REMOVED THE SPIRIT GOES WITH US AND SHEER EVIL WILL BE UNLEASHED.
The "last trumpet" described by Paul is the same one he described as the "trump OF GOD." The Revelation trumpets are blown by ANGELS, so the last trump in Revelation is not the same one Paul is talking about.
2. The resurrection of the righteous occurs in stages, just like a harvest of crops as occurred in ancient Israel. The Bible makes this clear when it referred to the Lord Jesus as the FIRST FRUITS of the resurrection-harvest. Paul also said each would be resurrected in HIS OWN ORDER. So there will be an ORDER re: the resurrection of the righteous: The First Fruits/Jesus, the Bulk of the Harvest/Church, and then the GLEANINGS from the four corners of the field/OT saints.
There are many people who are are bought by the blood of Yeshua who are included in the tribes of Israel. Read the OT. "There is one law for the native born and the sojouner. You will treat the sojourner as a native born." Yeshua said not one yud or tittle will pass away from the law. (Torah, Naviim) If Yeshua is the Word of God, the scripture cannot be broken.
There is only one harvest at the end of the age. "let the wheat and the tares grow together until the end of the age, then gather the wheat into the barn and burn up the tares."
Feast of Trumpets has four types of trumpet blasts in this order: TEKIAH, a 3 second sustained note; SHEVARIM, three 1-second notes rising in tone; TERUAH, a series of short, staccato notes extending over a period of about 3 seconds; and TEKIAH GEDOLAH, literally, "great tekiah", the final blast in a set, which lasts as long as possible. -- Paul's LAST TRUMP is this LONGEST LOUDEST Trumpet Blast, the TEKIAH GEDOLAH. -- The OT is the NT CONCEALED. The NT is the OT REVEALED. Think about it.
Those who want to believe in a post-trib rapture, etc. be my guest. You're mixing the Kingdom (Israel) economy with the Grace Age (church) economy. Hence, all your confusion. The church has no part in the blessings (and cursings) coming upon Israel as a Nation. When you're ready for it, the Lord will lead you to the FULL GRACE GOSPEL and will remove the scales from your eyes so you can see the difference between the Grace Gospel (church age) and the Gospel of the Kingdom (Israel economy).
That is exactly what the trumpets are in Revelation leading up to the 7th trumpet, which is the TEKIAH GEDOLAH. I have been involved in messianic judaism for 10 years, I know a little about the jewish feasts.
The trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:52 in greek means "eschatos" which means the last of the last trumpets. The same trumpet in Mattew 24 when Jesus returns at the 2nd coming.
Rosh HaShannah is the trumpet: in your video. you forgot to mention this Bible Verse Quote:1 Thessalonians chapter 4 verse "16" Read before & after too!...16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel,and with the "Trump"of God & the dead in Christ shall rise first:ect..RosHashannah is called "feast of trumpets" 1st 2nd 3rd<--(last)Blown 3 times also the time the dead are raised. noone knows the day or hour, because it is a two day period.BIBLE.
The "Last Trumpet" is indicitive of the last trumpet of the current age, not the end of the earth and the final judgement of man. This is the Age of the Gentiles, at the end of "this" age a trump will sound. There can be more than one last trumpet, obviously depending on where you are looking.
Your theory sounds good but is not a practical approach, sorry. You are mistaken. Careful you don't mislead unintentionally, its so easy to do.
You got that right. I believe that pre-trib theology is extremely popualar due to the idea of escapeing any suffering. Phil:1:27..says, it is our duty to suffer for Christs sake...Matthew 24:9 Christ says we will be offered up and they will kill us. Why should we think ourselves above suffering...No man is greater than his master!
Your right luna, we will have to go through the tribulation period, however, those who are in the true church of christ will be spared from Yahweh Wrath.
If you have a race being run with 7 people,there can only be someone who is first (#1) and someone who is last (#7).There cannot be someone behind the person who finishes last!....and it doesn't depend on from where you are looking! Last is Last!!!
ive been watching all your vids very interesting im still learning im only 19 and just about 3 days ago i really really started gettin in to this...i havent lived the perfect life im a teen in the 20th century but i know for a fact 100 percent there is a god and i belive in him i would take a bullet for that any day but you say that only 1,444,000 will be accepted so are you sayin all people that belive in god want be accepted?
I believe that the 144,000 represents the whole Church, all 12 tribes, which includes the great multitude which no one can count.
In writing to the Church wrote, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings." James 1:1
immediately after,not before,you pre-trib better humble yourself to go thru,also read revelation chp. 14 3 angels message during the tribulation,this alone will get you closer to JeSUS and pray for protection.
God does not author confusion...Here is wisdom...Look into the ancient historic Jewish wedding proceedure. This is a symbolic ritual as is the slaying of the lamb for sacrifice, exemplifying the sacrifice of Jesus for the salvation of man. Clearly, the Wedding and seven day feast expresses the taking up of the bride, and the seven day (year) feast during the wrath (Tribulation) of God on the World. His return to Earth will THEN be with the saints to rule with Christ after the defeat of Satan.
777godwithme 1 week ago
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NikkiAnytimeFitness 1 month ago
Hey, Dudes. I am having trouble reconciling Jesus' return with his return in Zechariah 12-14. There is just one second coming right?
hvacrjohn 2 months ago
@hvacrjohn Just one second coming. What exactly are you having trouble reconciling?
tolar9 1 week ago
@86Xforce @86Xforce the wrath of God that everyone keeps associating with the tribulation is misinterpreted..yall would do good to read the entire chapter & stop cherry picking verses...the wrath of God refered to here is the wrath that all unsaved people suffer that do not follow Chriist..not the wrath of God during the tribulation...
buttmuscles1 3 months ago
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Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
arjmcf 4 months ago
@86Xforce Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
arjmcf 4 months ago
promoting your book and website.....making merchandise of the believers? BTW the last trump and the final (great) trumpet are two different trumpets. spend some time studying the feasts of the LORD.
KJVWordofGod 5 months ago
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@KJVWordofGod Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
arjmcf 4 months ago
@86Xforce - The Messiah returns after the Tribulation on the Day of the LORD and gathers His elect when the last Trumpet sounds.
It is on the Day of the LORD that the Wrath of Yahweh is poured out.
richardperry2 6 months ago
@richardperry2 I love how people like you, crush any hope that people may have, no matter what it may be. also have you thought about what Jesus is to fulfill on the feast of trumpet? How about Atonment??? Lets see now the feast of trumpet mean a few things like the wedding feast. Could this be the rapture??? Oh and there Atonment THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. Hummm I wonder if God will Judge you for all the people you mislead about the rapture if it happen. THINK ABOUT IT
arjmcf 4 months ago
@86Xforce - You say, "I disagree because the first trumpet is God's wrath"
However, God's wrath is not mentioned until the Bowls.
richardperry2 6 months ago
KJV (from Hebr / Chaldean / Aramaic / Grk) st8s POST TRIB & POST ANTI- (aka PHONY) CHRIST (halael / lucifer / satan / apollyon / abaddon / FALSE rock-tyrus / FAKE MORNING STAR / THIEF IN NIGHT) -re: KJV MATT 24: 5, 11, 12, then 15!, then 21 !, 23-24, then 29 !!!!-thru 34 !!!! MARK 13: 6, 14, 22, 24-30 !!!; 2 Thess 2: 1-12 !!!!! Ez 13:20 (contextually 16-23) !!! Get out your Bibles & READ IT 4 URSELVES instead of listening to phony WOLF as well as Biblic-ignorant so-called "preachers!"
ballistix01 6 months ago
The PRE & MID-TRIB cRapture THEORY (has EVERY1 4GOTN WHAT "THEORY" MEANS?!" =MORE cognitive dissonance on the cRapturists fault) & =NOT BIBLICAL; it's a false teaching device of MEN (& the devil!) that has NEVER been in the Word & NEVER will be. RE: KJV Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2:1-12, Ez 13:20 (16-23); where r all cRapturists VERSES proving ur pre or mid THEORY?! THEY DONT EXIST (NO, NOT 1 Thess 4 nor 1 Cor 15:52 either; theyre both @ 7th aka LAST TRUMP WHEN TRUE CHRIST RETURNS HERE AFT ANTI-C
ballistix01 6 months ago
@ballistix01 I will say this, then, farewell! You have referenced the KJV more than once in ur posts. You argue for Post-trib view (I never said "theory"- your words), but take classic mid-trib position. Never said what degrees I had, if any, only stated I had studied on those levels for 30+ years! Be careful not to denounce MANY GODLY people who teach contrary to ur beliefs. U and ur interp. of what Scripture says r not the final authority! Again, be well! 2 Peter 1:20-21
jdock77 6 months ago
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@jdock77 Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
arjmcf 4 months ago
& Of course Yehoshua didnt speak KJV, where the heck did u get that, 4 i NEVER SAID THIS. (More cognitive dissonance on your part, of personally opinionated conclusion) Go back & READ 4 URSELF MY BIBLIC REF'S: KJV (from the Hebr/Chaldea/Aramaic & Grk Manuscripts) Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2: 1-12, & tell me y they ALL st8 POST TRIB & FALSE-CHRIST if it's PRE or MID; because it Scripturally ISN'T, & never has, & NEVER will. Word st8s POST TRIB & POST FAKE CHRIST (satan) in those very Scriptures!.
ballistix01 6 months ago
1st of all, book smarts do not nec equate wisdom = Truth; another glaring example of how all these "degrees" mean literally almost nothing here, for Christ spoke so a child could understand, i will show several glaring errors u have made. Also further proof degrees can = little = ur mistake of cognitive dissonance; this is NOT MY vid! & i did NOT personally insult u; thats not true! The Word has corrected here. IDC how long u "studied" -if u got it wrong! Go back & READ 4 URSELF MY BIBLIC REF'S
ballistix01 6 months ago
"The first ones' taken" (in the "field" or @ the "mill or loom") r taken by the ANTI-C & NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND WHICH the UN-Biblic PRE/MID-TRIB cRAPTURISTS TEACH THE WRONG WAY AROUND TO MAKE-FIT THEIR BS "THEORY" (NOT "FACT!"), just as they teach 1 Thess 4 INCORRECTLY ascribing an early trump to the LAST AKA 7th AKA "7-7-7," they also always NEGLECT 2 TEACH Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2: 1-12, Ez 13: 20, etc etc all which DEBUNK & DISPROVE THE FALSE-DOCTRINE PRE,MID-TRIB cRAPTURE JUNK.
ballistix01 6 months ago
Trying to inform a falsely-indoctrinated person that the KJV Bible simply & clearly states its POST-Trib & NOT that UN-Biblical, false-doctrinal pre or mid-trib cRapture "THEORY" & u will see what its like to properly inform a BRAINWASHED INDIVIDUAL, for they'll SWEAR it's "in there" when its NOT. Re: KJV Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2: 1-12, Ez 13:20, etc etc. Days of Dan (solar / light / days) = LONGER than satans LUNAR-calendar / nights / DARKNESS bcaus we're to STAY WORKG IN FIELD @ "MILL"...
ballistix01 6 months ago
1 Thess 4 does NOT say its PRE NOR MID, but = @ LAST AKA 7th "Seal-TRUMPET-Bowl" AKA "7, 7, 7"! Anti-c comes @ "6-6-6" AKA 6th Seal-Trump-BOWL = JUST B4 THE TRUE CHRIST @ "7, 7, 7!" The PRE & MID TRIB = FALSE DOCTRINE OF MEN'S CHEAP TRADITIONS, & of SERPENTS, LOCUSTS, SCORPIONS, DEVILS, & DEMONS. RE: KJV Matt 24, Mark 13, 2 Thess 2, Ez 13:20, Books of Dan & Rev, & many other Biblic passages both OT & NT! STOP LISTEN'G TO SELF-APPOINTED BIBLE-LAWYERS (DEGREES DONT NEC. = TRUTH) & READ 4 URSELVES!
ballistix01 6 months ago
Prob = most "C'ns" have been listeng to other ppl tell THEM WHAT Bible says" instead of READ'G 4 SELVES, i.e. putting their faith/trust in ANOTHER MAN/WOMAN RATHER THAN THEIR FATHERS WORD THEMSELVES, thusly perpetu8'g the pre & mid-trib cRapture (FALSE!-) THEORY (LIE). KJV Bible has NEVER NOR WILL EVER SAY PRE nor MID trib but says POST/AFTER: RE: KJV Matt24,Mark 13,2 Thess 2:1-12,Ez 13:20 & MANY other passages such as Books of Dan&Rev.Jacobs Trouble/solar calndr days = > satans lunar cal months
ballistix01 7 months ago
The Last Trump (a specific name for a specific trumpet) refers to the last trumpet sounded at the Feast of Trumpets! Paul, a Jewish rabbi, was intensely familiar with this concept and would use this language to refer to the trumpet of Rosh HaShana! To call any other trumpet the Last Trump is to misidentify it! Notice, Jesus did not refer to the last trump, but to a great trumpet blast! The Rapture will take place next in the redemptive plan of God and then will come the tribulation!
jdock77 8 months ago
@jdock77:"Rapture will take place next in the redemptive plan of God and then will come the trib" = BIBLICALLY INCORRECT. RE: all the KJV passages listed in my prev posts: MATT 24 (esp v 15-31 !!, MARK 13, 2 THESS 2: 1-12, EZ 13: 16-23 contextually (esp. v 20!), etc etc. The KJV translated fr the OT Hebrew, Chaldean/Aramaic, & NT Greek has NEVER NOR WILL EVER SAY PRE NOR MID, for it already states POST AKA AFTER-re: those passages i've been listing! PRE & MID =UN-BIBLIC PARROTED FALSE "THEORY"
ballistix01 6 months ago
@ballistix01 Beg pardon, b/c I don't agree w/ you doesn't make me Biblically Incorrect! The feasts of Lev 23 show God's prophetic and redemptive plan. The next thing is Trumpets (rapture), Atonement (salvation of Israel) and Tabernacles (eternal state). Paul used last trump in 1 Cor 15 with this understanding.Consider "His elect" could be (are) those who gave their lives during the Trib. Rev. and 7th trump was revealed to John over 30 years later! Paul did not know of or teach the 7 trumpets.
jdock77 6 months ago
@jdock77:AGAIN; all u pre & post trib cRapturists NEGLECT MY BIBLIC REFERENCES / PASSAGES & carry on business as usual w/ the phony THEORY doctrine. Y dont you all just suck it up, admit youve been had & ur mistake, & READ 4 YOURSELVES the MANY KJV passages i listed to see your pathetic FALSE "rapture THEORY" fall apart! Bible does NOT nor has EVER stated ANYTHING BUT POST TRIB, POST ANTI-CHRISTS ARRIVAL HERE. We're ALL changed @ LAST TRUMP AKA 7th; false-1 comes @ 6! ("666 as opposed to "777!")
ballistix01 6 months ago
@ballistix01 I won't waste my time arguing with you. I watched your vid, but you have not listened to 1 word I said. In the vid you quoted the Bible twice and G. Mueller twice! You have insulted me, I have not done so to you. I have studied this subject for 30+ years (including college and graduate studies) to come to my view. And btw, Jesus didn't speak KJV, just sayin'...Col. 4:6 "Let your speech be always with GRACE, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man."
jdock77 6 months ago
@ballistix01 And 1 other thing...in reading your posts you argue against PRE, MID and POST! Where then would you place the rapture? Please note that if you believe that the Seventh Trumpet is the Last Trump, then you are MID as there are MANY things which follow this trumpet! Peace to you, my friend. Be well!
jdock77 6 months ago
Paul clearly said, at the last TRUMP "not trumpet" for the TRUMPET will sound. TRUMP & TRUMPET are not the same.
A TRUMP is key resource, an action, a play, a move at a opportune time
A TRUMPET is an instrument
I believe just when it appears to be total devastation towards the end of the great trib God TRUMPS in LAST TRUMP, then He sounds a TRUMPET
Now the dead in Christ rise & we are changed.
Just my opinion!
mikestheman3 8 months ago
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Ok then . . . explain this to me . . .
1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
As you can see we have AT THE LAST TRUMP; followed by FOR THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, all in the same sentence. Are you trying to say these to statement have different meanings?
23rdchild 8 months ago
Ok then . . . explain this to me please . . .
1 Corinthians 15:51 - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
As you can see we have AT THE LAST TRUMP; followed by FOR THE TRUMPET SHALL SOUND, all in the same sentence. Are you trying to say these two statements have different meanings?
23rdchild 8 months ago
@23rdchild Trump = trumpet as in the last trumpet.
richardperry2 8 months ago
@23rdchild Think about it. Why would he say "trump" and then "trumpet". He could have said, "at the last trumpet the dead in Christ" instead we have a "last trump" then we have a "trumpet" a sounding instrument. We automatically know the last "trumpet" would have to make a sound as "trumpets" do. I believe he was saying 2 different meanings because U can't play a "trump" as in music, but you can play a "trump" in a move. I'll "trump" in with my "trumpet" and joined the band while they play.
mikestheman3 8 months ago
OF all these postings I like yours the best. You have an intellectual honesty. But you must completely forget ALL Christian dogma and doctrines, the common beliefs of the Return. Free your mind of these things He will return on a "cloud." The "cloud" is the dogma and doctrines commonly believed. This also happen the first advent, where the Jews believed He would come as a King of an earlhly kingdom. Cont.
Beulah502 9 months ago
@Beulah:RPerry=Biblically correct.Paul spoke Greek & COLLOQUIAL-Grk, as well as multiple/other languages Clouds="crowds" AKA "multitudes" of heavenly "HOSTS" just as metaphorical-slang "CLOUDS of locusts" (Arabi); & he spoke "run the Race as in a 'CLOUD' " (CROWD, MULTITUDE of heavenly HOST(s) = Gods TRUE children, whom the TRUE Christ brings w Him (1 Thes 4:13-17), NOT the false-1 who's coming 1stly @ "6-6-6" just PRIOR AKA B4 the True Christ Whom comes 2.5 to 5 mo later (Rev 9) @ "7-7-7")
ballistix01 7 months ago
Mr. Perry, I like and respect your videos above all others and I am reading your books. But you are making a serious mistake. Let me explain in maybe two of these postings. His return on a "cloud" means what? It means His coming will be obscured,, a cloudy issue. Why? Because of preconceived ideas of how it will. be. CONT.
Beulah502 9 months ago
Where in the Bible is the Rapture is mentioned and described in in Bible?
Beulah502 9 months ago
The rapture is a coward's doctrine. Trust in God, hell proctect you on earth, ye of little faith.
advocateforchrist 10 months ago
i remember had trouble filling out my tax return as i did not want to accept i was liable to pay tax. but when i accepted the fact and went over it again it was plain as day. so itis with the doctrine of the pre trib. they find the plain eaming of scripture hard as they REFUSE to accept that the pampered church of the west in actually suffer.
and when they are being offered their lives if the deny Him how many will deny him as the rapture had not yet come and they think that falsifies Christ?
Strefanasha 1 year ago
Perhaps all the trumpet calls of the angels in Revelation are the one big "Trumpet Call" of the angel(s) that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:31. Seeing that "7" is God's number, and the trumpets are "His" call of the angels, I think the rapture could be happening in the middle of the tribulation during this series of trumpet calls or "The trumpet call of God." Amen
dashton79 1 year ago
The vials of wrath are poured out after the 7 trumpets.
buyred 1 year ago
Psalm 25:15 My eyes are ever on the LORD, for only He will release my feet from the snare.
Proverbs 8:34 ... Blessed is the one who listens to Me, watching daily
at My gates, waiting beside my doors.
I'm obeying His command to Watch for Him, (Matt 24:42) not the Antichrist, the seals judgments of the tribulation or the "last trumpet."
Slingblade347 1 year ago
@Slingblade347 Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
arjmcf 4 months ago
"Because you have kept the word of My patience, I also will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming upon the WHOLE EARTH." Rev 3:10
"The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is TAKEN AWAY from the evil to come." Isa 57:1 "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought His judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger." Zeph 2:3
Slingblade347 1 year ago
"Pray always that you might be counted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that are coming to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man (who is currently at the right hand of the Father in HEAVEN). Luke 21:36 "God cannot lie." Titus 1:2
Slingblade347 1 year ago
"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night...2 Pet 3:10 "Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming." Matt 24:42
Isa 26:20,21 Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. Pss 27:5 For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavilion: in the secret place of His tabernacle shall He hide me; He shall set me up upon a rock.
Slingblade347 1 year ago
There are 5 wise virgins & 5 unwise. There is, according to scipture a falling away before the rapture comes. Why? Because 5 were seeking God with their whole heart And 5 were fast food christians,letting their Pastor spoon feed them. The Spirit of God didn`t write the scripure for only scholars to understand.But the very opposite! He wrote the scritures for those who are seeking him with their whole heart! Born AgainThe 1st disciples were fisherman,tax collectors,ect. Last trump is last trump!
itisihere1 1 year ago
@itisihere1 "Last trump is last trump!"
That's true but no one knows WHEN the last trump trumps. In the mean time you are COMMANDED by your Lord to "Pray always that you might be counted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that are coming to pass and to stand before the Son of Man (who is at the right hand of the Father in HEAVEN). Luke 21:36
Slingblade347 1 year ago 2
@Slingblade347 Ok, I`m not sure how you got me saying anything about trumpets in my comment? But ya, we are told to watch and pray by Jesus. I agree with you on that one. :o)
HumbleHeartMinistry 1 year ago
@Slingblade347 Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
arjmcf 4 months ago
yes, there is a "Last trumpet" in Revelations but, the last trumpet that paul talks about-can also mean, from the "Feast of Trumpets" - just because there is a last trumpet at the end of revelations doesn't mean it's not a festival trumpet from the Feast of trumpets... and it wouldn't make sense to pick up the church and come right back down... lol
starsontheground 1 year ago
@starsontheground - As you say, "because there is a last trumpet at the end of revelations doesn't mean it's not the Feast of trumpets.
From a careful examination of the Feasts and Festivals of Yahweh, I feel certain that the 7th Trumpet of Revelation is the Day of Trumpets which begins the Fall Harvest Feasts; of Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles.
Just as Hebrews 10 says, The law (feasts) are a shadow of the good things to come. The Fall Harvest Feasts await Christ's Second Coming.
richardperry2 1 year ago
@starsontheground : You gotta have biblical Hermeneutics. We cant just interperate the bible ANY WAY WE like. We gotta know WHO WHAT WHEN AND HOW the context is relating to. Just sharing with one to another
Savvygirl22 10 months ago
@starsontheground According to Romans 5:9, we are saved from his wrath through Jesus Christ. So that little "pick up" you mentioned, saves us from the bowls of wrath which comes after the last trumpet. A very worthwhile trip in my opinion!
archangel 9 months ago
Something I hadn't thought about...
Paul wrote to the Corinthians, about the "mystery" of the Rapture (1 Corinthians 15:51), not long after the middle of the first century; whereas, John recorded his great revelation near the end of the first century.
BrianVandrian 1 year ago
Excellent explanation. This is what I got when I read the bible for myself too many years ago.
Cheers!
rockandsalvation 1 year ago
No one knows exactly when the rapture will be. The bible isn't totally clear on that. We should prepare for the worst and hope for the best. If you do not choose to prepare, you only have yourself to blame. It is a mystery, get it? We shouldn't sit around and not prepare for hard times, especially when so much is at stake.
MorningSun10000 1 year ago
No one knows exactly when the rapture will be. The bible isn't totally clear on that. We should prepare for the worst and hope for the best. If you do not choose to prepare, you only have yourself to blame. It is a mystery, get it? We shouldn't sit around and not prepare for hard times, especially when so much is at stake.
MorningSun10000 1 year ago
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Mattjon001 1 year ago
1st seal is for N america.2nd seal is for africa 3rd seal is for australia.looks like 7 seals is for 7 continents.lol !!!!
Mattjon001 1 year ago
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lizazoon 1 year ago
just to be clear to anyone, not just richard ,
scripture is of no private interpertation, it is to be told in the one story God is telling.
moa373 1 year ago
I aslo notice, on your web site, that you declare the first seal to have been broken on September 11th. You lecture ME on private interpretation and then dare to feel that you have the authority to make such a claim?????? Who told you that 9/11 was the first seal. How do you propose to back up such an outrageous and unprovable claim?
jesusknight72 2 years ago
His name is Yahweh and you will know it is true when the Second Seal opens.
richardperry2 2 years ago
And I'm sure I'll need YOU to tell me what that second seal is, right? So much for not relying on 'private interpretation'.
No thanks, I'll just trust the Holy Spirit as I always have. You just keep on making false predictions.
jesusknight72 2 years ago
Thats all this guy does is private interpretation. This guy is so off the wall it makes me ill. He adds to scripture , takes away from scripture but you have exposed richard false teachings, well done jesusknight72.
mrfellowship 1 year ago
You are COMPLETELY incorrect. You are assuming that the last trumpet spoken of in Corinthians is the same as the 7th trumpet judgement. This is not stated ANYWARE in scripture. There are MANY trumpets that are sounded through history. You are ASSUMING these two are the same. Also, paul would NEVER have been talking about the trumpet of REV. because that message had not even been given to John yet. Paul would have NO IDEA what the seventh trumpet of Revelation was.
jesusknight72 2 years ago
You say, "paul would NEVER have been talking about the trumpet of REV. because that message had not even been given to John yet."
Scripture says, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation." 2 Peter 1:20
Paul's writings are Scripture
I know this is not from you, because this is a hollow arguement made by many so call Bible Scholars who don't know what they are talking about.
Read Scripture! - Stop listening to Man!
richardperry2 2 years ago
You quote the statement in scripture about 'private' interpretation and you use your own private interpretation to support the fact that those two trumpets are the same . You're doing the very thing you just argued against. The Bible does NOT say that those two are the same. I'm simply stating that fact. Christ's message about 'a' trumpet was directed toward Israel not the church. He wasn't talking about the rapture.
jesusknight72 2 years ago
This is not that hard.
1 Corinthians 15:52 states that the resurrection change will happen at the Last Trumpet.
The Last Trumpet in the Bible is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation 11:15.
Do you have a scripture which records a Trumpet after the 7th of Revelation?
How hard is this to interpret - last is last. There are none after the last one.
richardperry2 2 years ago 5
Zechariah states clearly that the Feast of Tabernacles will continue into the millenium. If that is true, there will be trumpets blown for the feast. That's tradition. The Trump of God (last trump) is for the church signaling their gathering to Christ. Scripture says we meet the Lord himself in the air. Paul does not say angels gather us up to Christ in COR. It's just not there. You are using private interpretation, not me. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.
God Bless
jesusknight72 2 years ago
@richardperry2 I love how people who does not know thw Bible has soooo much to say about it. 1 thess 4: 16-17 the "trump of God" is NOT the 7th trumpet But Rosh Hashanah the last last BLOWN is call the "TRUMP OF GOD" and IS the only holiday that has the last trumpet call TRUMP OF GOD" Now the feast of Atonment also has a last trump, I believe this will be the day Jesus will come back (fulfillment of the feast) at the last trump to judge the world.
arjmcf 4 months ago
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@richardperry2 Think about this 1 Corinthian 15:51 "the last trump" which "last trump" is it talking about?? It does not say the 7th trump and there is a "last trump" in the feast of trumpet call "THE TRUMP OF GOD" it is the only jewish holiday that as this. And there is "the last trump" at the end of Atonment, the "DAY OF JUDGEMENT" And there the 7th trump.richardperry2 will tell what to believe in? Which will do you more harm believing in the rapture or not????
arjmcf 4 months ago
Jesusknight72 you are just awesome putting this false teacher in his place
bravo, it is about time. You make excellent points your wisdom is remarkable. Wait tell richard brings up Michael as the restrainer what absurdity.
mrfellowship 1 year ago
@jesusknight72 You're interpreting scripture through humanistic eyes. The spirit of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. There is no conflict in Paul's writings and John's writings because they were given by one Author. I submit to you that Apostle Paul would have known about what John was writing and vice versa. God bless.
rockandsalvation 1 year ago
I thought it was at the Trump of God???? The church will be taken before the tribulation not at the end what sense does that make.
gotautis 2 years ago
Join my new facebook group "I Will Be Ready If the Antichrist Comes in June 2010." Notice the keyword is "if." By joining you are not saying that the antichrist will definitely come in June 2010, but that this is very likely to be so since we are currently in 7 year peace treaty between Israel and the European Union which began 1/1/07.
spreadthegospel 2 years ago
We are NOT in 7 year peace treaty. That is years away - 10 to 15.
richardperry2 2 years ago
The treaty is called the European Neighborhood and Partnership Instrument. Look it up. A good youtube video to see is called "End Times - 7 Year Deal with EU & Israel."
spreadthegospel 2 years ago
@richardperry2 its getting closer my friend.
moa373 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this clip Richard. You explain it well. The multitudes need to know the truth. God Bless!
tossweep34 2 years ago
AGAIN: The book of Revelation has 7 trumpets blown. in Matthew Jesus mentions" at Last Trump" did he STATE 7th TRUMP? NO!!!... What does Roshasha REPRESENT? FEAST OF TRUMPETs" the Day noone knows the hour". The wedding Feast" a rehersal of a WEDDING FEAST. refering to the bride's maidens, some made it, the others SLACKERS. left behind. NOT WATCHING / . LUKEWARM Christians will be left behind. Sorry people. Jesus said it not me, He SPUES them out of HIS mouth. REV3:14... READ
endtymsnatzal 2 years ago
Revelation, consists of a total of 7 trumpets by the angels . Jesus would have stated he was coming at the 7th trumpet. be didn't. FACT: RoshHasha is THE FEAST of Trumpets blown 100 times within 2 days equaling ONE day".COINED the day noone knows" inHebrew tradition(calendar. The Last trump is the last warning on Roshashana., the Trumpet Jesus refered to& disciples understood as FEASTday., REVELATION , not written yet.,A MYSTERY, because it's one of the 2 days. RAPTURED
endtymsnatzal 2 years ago
john wrote the book of revalations .God only revieled those thingsin revalations to john that are in rev not matthew or paul . the 7 trump cant be the same cause pual wrote the last trump 59 A.D. john wrote rev 7th trump in 96 A.D. 30+ year diff john only knew about the 7th trump john was to keep them sealded . read your bible 2 timothy 2:15
CRYSTALRIVERFISHERMA 2 years ago
Excellent point as well on the Last Trumpet which is the 7th and final trumpet call for judgement on the world.
xena1973 2 years ago
my bible doesnt tell me im going to go throught the tribulation,im promised a rapture before the trib.luke 21;36 watch ye therefore,and pray always,that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass,and to stand before the son of man.this looks to me like JESUS saying im going to escape the tribulation.i believe his word over any mans interpitation.
hemiphil81 2 years ago
Luke 21:36
36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.
In context this verse is found after Jesus is talking about the 2nd coming found in verse 27-28 to use these verse as a rapture escape is taking out context, as well if you read verse 34 Jesus is telling believers to not to be weighted down with the cares of these world because that Day refering to the 2nd coming will come
xena1973 2 years ago
on who on "you" unexpectedly who are the "you" believers as for non believers read the next verse 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch to whom is He is speaking to believers and pray that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things and what things is He speaking about but the 2nd coming for Jesus Christ said in the prior verse 34 "that Day" found in verse 25-27, so prepare yourself we will be here till the end.
xena1973 2 years ago
no your wrong because at JESUS second will be the judgement.and born again blood covered belivers will not be at the judgement.paul said count it blessed on who the second death has no judgement.the great white throne judgement for the lost.the rapture WILL seperate the goats from the sheep.study more then get back to me.
hemiphil81 2 years ago
Revelation 11:15-19
15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever! 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned
xena1973 2 years ago
18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth.
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant[h] was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
xena1973 2 years ago
The 7th Trumpet is the last trumpet found as well in Matthew 24:31
And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Here we read Jesus sending out He's angels to gather his elect from the 4 corners of the earth (the elect is the body of christ, brethern, believers, saints)
1 Corinthians 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
xena1973 2 years ago
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Paul is speaking of believers who have died in Christ and will be raised first and the living believers will be instantly transformed into thier immortal bodies when Jesus returns.
xena1973 2 years ago
1 Thess 4:16
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
again Paul is speaking of Jesus Christ at He's 2nd coming
xena1973 2 years ago
Revelation 11:15
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever."
This event is the last trumpet after the great tribulation because in the verse itself John wrote down "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ and shall reign forever and ever"
xena1973 2 years ago
verse 18 "The nations were angry and Your wrath has come". the wrath of God has begun and is done when at the 7th trumpet read on
And the time of the dead, that they shall be judged And You should reward Your servants and prophets and the saints speaking of bestowing of rewards upon God's people.
xena1973 2 years ago
U say as well the rapture will seperate the goats from the sheep. when these verse's spoken in Matthew 25:31-46 speak of Jesus Christ 2nd coming to judge all the nations who will be gathered before Him, and will seperate them one from another as a shepard divides his sheep from the goats, the sheep will be on His right hand "Come you blessed of My Father inherit the kingdom prepared
xena1973 2 years ago
for you from the foundation of the world. as for the goats will be positioned to the left with Jesus Christ saying "Depart from Me, you cursed into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels as well we find in verse 46 and these will go away into everlasting punishment speaking of the goats, but the righteous into eternal life speaking of the sheep
xena1973 2 years ago
So in conclusion the 7th trumpet is the final trumpet of judgement the wrath of God and the goats and sheep will be seperated at that time, no rapture before the tribulation because there is no 8th trumpet
xena1973 2 years ago
Yes, the 7th trumpet is the final trumpet and the goats and sheep will be seperated at that time, no rapture before the tribulation because there is no 8th trumpet.
However, the Judgment and Wrath of God, which is in the Bowls, will be poured out after the Last Trumpet on the Great and Dreadful Day of the LORD.
richardperry2 2 years ago
I agree as well I will look at the bowls, seals, today, I had that on my mind a hr ago to look at as well. thanks.....
xena1973 2 years ago
that funny, "hemiphili81",how you told someone to study more yet gave no actual scripture to support your beliefs. it;s amazing how we can parrot twisted theology so resolutely without actually studying in a diligent, scrutinizing fashion FOR OURSELVES. there is no pre trib rapture! be ready to fight in this last and most glorious battle!
Ruddermanspeaks 2 years ago
Great teaching on pinpointing the last trumpet in Scripture!
arovir 2 years ago
Praise God! someone that do not compromise the truth
Rv 19 Explains 1 resurrection timing, and we'l not precede those who slept in Christ, they resurrect first and then those who remain will be transformed in a twinkling of and eye.
Read , Rv 19, 1Co 15, 1 Ts 4, 5; 2 Ts 2, Mt 24,
But the problem is that the disciples do not search the scriptures, they just buy books or dvds, and that is pretty much the Bible study they do about it, see if the teachings match Gods Eternal Word Act 17,11
mauricioneira 2 years ago
You are absolutely right brother! Folks read books rather than the bible. That's what I did for years. It wasn't until I was teaching a class on end-times that I really got into the word regarding prophecy. Once I did tho, I couldn't find any mention of pre-trib or any suggestion of it. Plus, their so called supports are all twistings of the truth. I got a book by LaHaye & Ice "Charting the End-Times", it explained pre-trib so well that I couldn't see how I believed in it for so long.
deezynar 2 years ago
ok read revalations 4:1-11 john is reveling a future event the rappture in verse 1 and the judgement seat of Christ is being set up that is where a lot of post tribes go wrong they dont cosider the judge ment saet of christ .God tells us this will be going on during the trib .after chapter 4 the church is never mentioned till we com back on our horses to fight amen read your bible .2 timothy 2:15
CRYSTALRIVERFISHERMA 2 years ago
Hi, CRYSTAL, There's no point in stirring up strife debating this. The info is available on line about both pre & post trib so any one can study in peace. I was adamantly pre trib, I read all the pre books & new all the pre arguments. When I went to teach endtimes, I studied the word & found lots of support for post but NONE for pre, including the ones you gave here. I suggest you start w/ the Oasis Church, (Tampa?) web site. Pastor Tim Warner has a large section on endtimes. God bless.
deezynar 2 years ago
Mat 24:15
The only thing Jesus said to be on alert that would CAUSE the end was "The Abomi-Nation" read it, this is not a condition this is an individuals name. I say again it is an individuals personal name! is it an angram for "The Obama-Nation"?? I am not saying it is but he is the One World leader according to the G8* summit, Ophra says he "IS THE ONE" Farakahn says he is the "MESSIAH" The Islamic Messiah though!! strange? or is it? we are their folks! now what?? You better hope im wrong!!
ravenwolf789 2 years ago
Every believer needs to know this right now, Do you know what and who the 144,000 are and what they will do very soon? the author is right on the last trumpet! but what of the first trumpet? the 7 trumpets are 7 plagues for 7 years, to hit Earth in months! 144,000 sealed of GOD will appear very soon, they are NOT physical Jews, they are True Christians from all over the world and will have the power to wage war against the nations and protect the true believers, that is their seal, GODS POWER.
ravenwolf789 2 years ago
If you can figure out when the "sudden destruction" of wicked persons takes place in I Thess. 5:3 (and also when "death" is ended in I Cor. 15:54), you will know where to place the rapture on your prophecy chart because those passages tell about the "times and seasons" (and also the "when" and "then" ) of the rapture. Neat, huh?
LouNor25 2 years ago
The rapture is not for everyone and only those who the covenant is confirmed with by the 144000, first the sealed will rapture (the 144000) then those they have confirmed will rapture exactly 7 years later, these are those who remain and come out of the great tribulation, as Paul wrote and confirmed by rev 7 The 144000 will not only confirm the covenant but will guide the church through the great tribulation to the last trumphet and both are gone!
ravenwolf789 2 years ago
mr richard are we going to hear the trumpet with our fleshly ears?
brian1991brick 2 years ago
"All you people of the world, you who live on the earth, when a banner is raised on the mountains, you will see it, and when a trumpet sounds, you will hear it." Isaiah 18:3
richardperry2 2 years ago
So basically what this vid is saying, is that were all going to fema camps and Denver camps, and they wil kill us and drink our blood. Well the pre trib rapture theory was nice, but now we got to weight for the time when one word army knocks on our door to fly us of too deep underground military confinement.
Rep2keep33 2 years ago
Sorry, wait for the time, not weight,loooool.
Rep2keep33 2 years ago
Ok here you show the verse pretrib use with attention to the mention of the LAST trump, but if you will notice none of the other trumpet sounds you mention specifically say where they are in the order they just say I heard a trumpet sound or blast also you say their are 7 but you dont specify them nor go into most of them. This could be signifigant cause ofcourse you realize the bible speaks of the rearranging of the first and the last. Our ways are not Gods ways
crzymoonrock74 2 years ago
God says, Last Trumpet!
You say, maybe not!
I'll go with God on this - the 7th is the last, since there is no 8th trumpet!
richardperry2 2 years ago
I dont say maybe not. It certianly does say last trumpet. But could it mean the last trumpet for those that will be kept FROM the hour of tribulation? How are you so sure it is the seventh and FINAL trumpet on the day of the Lord? I'll go with God too I need to know more about the series of trumpet sounds to be sure this refers to the final one on the day of the Lord. Dont you agree?
crzymoonrock74 2 years ago
Check out the trumpets in:
Matthew 24:29-31
1 Thess 4:16-17
1 Cor. 15:51-52
Revelation 10:7
Revelation 11:15
Each of these speaks of the same trumept call, the last trumpet.
richardperry2 2 years ago
How can you say that the last verse in your list Rev. 11-15 speaks of the last trump which according to you is after tribulation? When right after this verse it speaks of the devil cast down to earth and that the Jewish people should flee to the desert, abomination of desolation, 666 mark 2 witnesses ect. clearly tribulation is not over yet. It must be confusing for you to try to figure out the order of it all if it skips back and forth like that. I dont know
crzymoonrock74 2 years ago
Revelation 11:15 "The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, The time has come for judging the dead, and for Rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints."
richardperry2 2 years ago
Quoting the verse doesnt answer my question. If this is the Last trumpet rapture after tribulation verse that you use to explain your position, why is their further tribulation for the world AFTER this verse?
crzymoonrock74 2 years ago
After the 7th and Last Trumpet - is God's Wrath on the Day of the Lord.
Not tribulation which ends at the last trumpet.
richardperry2 2 years ago
this comment seems like a mid trib point of view. I thought you were propagaiting post trib understanding. Rev11/15 is clearly at the mid trib point because it states right after about a 3 1/2 year period. My understanding of the Day of the Lord is it is at the very end during the battle of Armegeddon when the antichrist and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire
crzymoonrock74 2 years ago
there is no such thing as rapture doctrine!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????? thats teachings of men!!
bossplayah927 2 years ago
God Bess You Richard for this teaching. Have you always belived the Rapture was at the last trumpet? if not, when was it revealed to you. It was not revealed to me until October, 2001.
Daniel71240 2 years ago
It may have been about 2000 that it was initially revealed to me.
It was later that I realized that the last trumpet would be Christ's fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets.
richardperry2 2 years ago
what i meant was,
did you personally always believe that the pretrib rapture was not Biblically correct?
If not, what year did you personally realize that the Church would go thru the tribulation?
Daniel71240 2 years ago
For many years I was a Pre-Trib dispensationalist. Then starting in 1997 I began to rely on Scripture for my beliefs instead of what I was being told by Men.
That is when it all changed for me!
richardperry2 2 years ago
Mr. Perry, this is how it happened for me as well. Too many scriptures ( as you have shown) teach post-trib rapture/resurrection. It is so disturbing to see how many are deceived by big TV preachers by this false and dangerous doctrine. God-speed with your message, brother!
Sightedprey2 2 years ago
In the holy Name of Jesus, I bind all spirits surrounding RobertBarat365 not of The Holy Spirit and I send them to the foot of The Cross to be judged by The Lord!
AmazingGracieAnn 3 years ago
please everyone pray for this persons soul. your prayers matter! God be with you RobertBaral365. may the Lord shine his blessing on you, & may the devils that blind you & hinder your path to God be bound & cast out in Jesus' holy name. i pray the Holy Spirit be with you & heal your heart as you read. Rob; the first step is to make the decision to follow Christ, then ask Gods help he will set you free from all this. I DARE YOU lol. come to our side. i welcome you in Jesus name. haha. /hugs ^-^
khakipearls 3 years ago
RobertBaral365 3 years ago
please repent or be damned in hell. please your soul doesn't wanna burn.
911fuckdalaw 3 years ago
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RobertBaral365 3 years ago
Come To Jesus
71Warrior4Jesus 3 years ago
This is correct. The rapture happens after the Last trumpet.
Lachance8 3 years ago
TY AMEN
deanna777777777777 3 years ago
It has just been sounded everyone!!! people have been having the same vision and dream!! JANUARY!! BE READY, GOD's People! PREPARE YOUR FRIENDS, FAMILY!
God's people are being purified! Get everyone to turn from wickedness and come out of the world!!! ITS HAPPENING NOW!
ArthusGoldmoon 3 years ago
there is no pre-trib rapture
stem7360 3 years ago
Would you even believe in the rapture if Jesus himself had said to "pray always that you are counted worthy to Escape the things to come and to stand before the son of man"
unblinded08 3 years ago
yes, but that means if you live through the trib period and survive the dangers, I believe in post-trib rapture
stem7360 3 years ago
During the plagues of Egypt, God protected His children through all of them. Even the death of the first born. I don't contend it will be an easy time but I do believe God can protect His children in any situation. How can there be a "secret rapture" if it happens AFTER the seventh sounding of a trumpet?
flintstone9812 3 years ago
ESCAPE THE BIG BATTLE BETWEEN JESUS AND satan AND THE FALLEN ANGELS YES WHEN THE TRUMPET SOUNDS AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST RISE AND WE WICH REMAIN ARE CAUGHT UP TO BE WITH THE LORD FOREVER THEN THE REAL BATTLE BETWEEN OUR LORD AND THE FALLEN ANGELS AND satan BEGIN THE LORD WITH HIS ANGELS WILL THEN FIGHT THE EVIL ON THE EARTH YOUR TAKEN OUT WHEN THIS BATTLE IS GOING ON.WE ARE FIGHTING EVIL NOW WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WHEN WE ARE REMOVED THE SPIRIT GOES WITH US AND SHEER EVIL WILL BE UNLEASHED.
deanna777777777777 3 years ago
The "last trumpet" described by Paul is the same one he described as the "trump OF GOD." The Revelation trumpets are blown by ANGELS, so the last trump in Revelation is not the same one Paul is talking about.
abbagailcreations 3 years ago
2. The resurrection of the righteous occurs in stages, just like a harvest of crops as occurred in ancient Israel. The Bible makes this clear when it referred to the Lord Jesus as the FIRST FRUITS of the resurrection-harvest. Paul also said each would be resurrected in HIS OWN ORDER. So there will be an ORDER re: the resurrection of the righteous: The First Fruits/Jesus, the Bulk of the Harvest/Church, and then the GLEANINGS from the four corners of the field/OT saints.
abbagailcreations 3 years ago
And BTW, the 144,000 is NOT the Gentile Church. They are exactly who the Bible says they are, Jews.
abbagailcreations 3 years ago
They are sealed from the tribe of Israel. Gentiles are now part of the commonwealth of israel. This is Gods view. The two are one in Messiah.
tandrus7 3 years ago
There are many people who are are bought by the blood of Yeshua who are included in the tribes of Israel. Read the OT. "There is one law for the native born and the sojouner. You will treat the sojourner as a native born." Yeshua said not one yud or tittle will pass away from the law. (Torah, Naviim) If Yeshua is the Word of God, the scripture cannot be broken.
tandrus7 3 years ago
There is only one harvest at the end of the age. "let the wheat and the tares grow together until the end of the age, then gather the wheat into the barn and burn up the tares."
tandrus7 3 years ago
Feast of Trumpets has four types of trumpet blasts in this order: TEKIAH, a 3 second sustained note; SHEVARIM, three 1-second notes rising in tone; TERUAH, a series of short, staccato notes extending over a period of about 3 seconds; and TEKIAH GEDOLAH, literally, "great tekiah", the final blast in a set, which lasts as long as possible. -- Paul's LAST TRUMP is this LONGEST LOUDEST Trumpet Blast, the TEKIAH GEDOLAH. -- The OT is the NT CONCEALED. The NT is the OT REVEALED. Think about it.
abbagailcreations 3 years ago
That doesn't prove a pre trib rapture.
tandrus7 3 years ago
Those who want to believe in a post-trib rapture, etc. be my guest. You're mixing the Kingdom (Israel) economy with the Grace Age (church) economy. Hence, all your confusion. The church has no part in the blessings (and cursings) coming upon Israel as a Nation. When you're ready for it, the Lord will lead you to the FULL GRACE GOSPEL and will remove the scales from your eyes so you can see the difference between the Grace Gospel (church age) and the Gospel of the Kingdom (Israel economy).
abbagailcreations 3 years ago
That is exactly what the trumpets are in Revelation leading up to the 7th trumpet, which is the TEKIAH GEDOLAH. I have been involved in messianic judaism for 10 years, I know a little about the jewish feasts.
tandrus7 3 years ago
The trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:52 in greek means "eschatos" which means the last of the last trumpets. The same trumpet in Mattew 24 when Jesus returns at the 2nd coming.
tandrus7 3 years ago
Awesome vid. I get tired of the occultic immanency peddled by TBN. "Any moment now."
"Just hold on for a little while more." "Were almost there." lol
WhereRavensFly 3 years ago
Rosh HaShannah is the trumpet: in your video. you forgot to mention this Bible Verse Quote:1 Thessalonians chapter 4 verse "16" Read before & after too!...16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel,and with the "Trump"of God & the dead in Christ shall rise first:ect..RosHashannah is called "feast of trumpets" 1st 2nd 3rd<--(last)Blown 3 times also the time the dead are raised. noone knows the day or hour, because it is a two day period.BIBLE.
endtymesssssss 3 years ago 2
The "Last Trumpet" is indicitive of the last trumpet of the current age, not the end of the earth and the final judgement of man. This is the Age of the Gentiles, at the end of "this" age a trump will sound. There can be more than one last trumpet, obviously depending on where you are looking.
Your theory sounds good but is not a practical approach, sorry. You are mistaken. Careful you don't mislead unintentionally, its so easy to do.
Conquer2day 3 years ago
You say, "There can be more than one last trumpet, obviously"
The Word says, "at the last trumpet." Maybe Bible is wrong and you are right?
richardperry2 3 years ago
The Faith movement in the U.S and here in Australia like to ignore the last trumpet bit!
The thought of having to go through any pain or misery for their Faith is not on the agenda!I think they are all in for a big shock!
lunafesto 3 years ago
You got that right. I believe that pre-trib theology is extremely popualar due to the idea of escapeing any suffering. Phil:1:27..says, it is our duty to suffer for Christs sake...Matthew 24:9 Christ says we will be offered up and they will kill us. Why should we think ourselves above suffering...No man is greater than his master!
guru2u67 3 years ago
There are just too many Scriptural references and historical events to suggest that Christians are going to escape a time of testing.
There are two points to consider though.
That God will not leave us alone during the times of testing, but will lead us through it.
Also, I do believe that we escape the wrath of God, which are the 7 bowls.
So the faithful are taken after the 7 trumpets, but before the 7 bowls of God's anger!
One day theory will become fact and someone will be right!
lunafesto 3 years ago
Your right luna, we will have to go through the tribulation period, however, those who are in the true church of christ will be spared from Yahweh Wrath.
bigbadboriqua 2 years ago
Can't understand your reasoning here!
If you have a race being run with 7 people,there can only be someone who is first (#1) and someone who is last (#7).There cannot be someone behind the person who finishes last!....and it doesn't depend on from where you are looking! Last is Last!!!
lunafesto 3 years ago
ive been watching all your vids very interesting im still learning im only 19 and just about 3 days ago i really really started gettin in to this...i havent lived the perfect life im a teen in the 20th century but i know for a fact 100 percent there is a god and i belive in him i would take a bullet for that any day but you say that only 1,444,000 will be accepted so are you sayin all people that belive in god want be accepted?
cwbasketball1 3 years ago
I believe that the 144,000 represents the whole Church, all 12 tribes, which includes the great multitude which no one can count.
In writing to the Church wrote, "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations: Greetings." James 1:1
richardperry2 3 years ago
immediately after,not before,you pre-trib better humble yourself to go thru,also read revelation chp. 14 3 angels message during the tribulation,this alone will get you closer to JeSUS and pray for protection.
barbie441 3 years ago
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GOD BLESS YOU