And by the way, there are plenty of articles out there that prove that pt outcomes from CRNA delivered anesthesia and MDA delivered were the same. Back to the drawing board...
goex2f - exactly how could a CRNA done things different than an anesthiesiologist? Infact, in my opinion the pt should have been admitted to an upper level floor, which is the MD's responsibility, and yes I am a CRNA....I sure wish I had a degree in which i could blame my mistakes on somebody else....(what a dickhead)
@DrSuperSixSeven Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Many times the attending physician will point fingers at the hospital staff claiming that "It was them, not me...I did what I was supposed to."
Then the hospital staff turns around and says "It wasn't us, it was him, the attending. We were just following his instructions..."
A "supervising" attending physician is not always present w/in the room or the operating room. They may be available for consult or be dealing with other...
Attending physicians can blame the hospital staff, but most often there’s an order somewhere with his signature on it. It is very difficult for an attending to blame the nurses (e.g. RN’s, CRNAs, or whomever else) for a bad outcome unless it can be proven that his orders weren’t carried out.
If the anesthesiologist is legally responsible for the patient, but simultaneously allows the CRNA to make clinical judgments on their own, then the CRNA can fuck up royally and the anesthesiologist is to blame.
This is why during surgery the anesthesiologist is independently responsible for vital functions of the patient. People have such variable and idiosyncratic reactions to anesthesia, and the therapeutic indices for anesthetic agents are so low, they require minute by minute monitoring. Clearly, as demonstrated by this tragic situation, they require monitoring subsequent to surgery as well.
@ DrSuperSixSeven
And by the way, there are plenty of articles out there that prove that pt outcomes from CRNA delivered anesthesia and MDA delivered were the same. Back to the drawing board...
bedidie 11 months ago
goex2f - exactly how could a CRNA done things different than an anesthiesiologist? Infact, in my opinion the pt should have been admitted to an upper level floor, which is the MD's responsibility, and yes I am a CRNA....I sure wish I had a degree in which i could blame my mistakes on somebody else....(what a dickhead)
bedidie 1 year ago
@bedidie
No. Instead, you have a degree that says you don’t have to know shit, and can depend on an MD for taking ultimate responsibility.
Under no circumstance can anMD say, “Well, it’s the CRNA’s fault” when he’s supervising the CRNA.
The only dickhead here is you.
DrSuperSixSeven 1 year ago
@DrSuperSixSeven Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Many times the attending physician will point fingers at the hospital staff claiming that "It was them, not me...I did what I was supposed to."
Then the hospital staff turns around and says "It wasn't us, it was him, the attending. We were just following his instructions..."
A "supervising" attending physician is not always present w/in the room or the operating room. They may be available for consult or be dealing with other...
lawmed1 1 year ago
@lawmed1
Attending physicians can blame the hospital staff, but most often there’s an order somewhere with his signature on it. It is very difficult for an attending to blame the nurses (e.g. RN’s, CRNAs, or whomever else) for a bad outcome unless it can be proven that his orders weren’t carried out.
DrSuperSixSeven 11 months ago
@DrSuperSixSeven patients and not necessarily be in the room watching what the CRNA is actually doing.
lawmed1 1 year ago
@lawmed1
If the anesthesiologist is legally responsible for the patient, but simultaneously allows the CRNA to make clinical judgments on their own, then the CRNA can fuck up royally and the anesthesiologist is to blame.
DrSuperSixSeven 11 months ago
actually that is exactly why a patient deserves an anesthesiologist, not a nurse (CRNA)
goex2f 2 years ago
This is why during surgery the anesthesiologist is independently responsible for vital functions of the patient. People have such variable and idiosyncratic reactions to anesthesia, and the therapeutic indices for anesthetic agents are so low, they require minute by minute monitoring. Clearly, as demonstrated by this tragic situation, they require monitoring subsequent to surgery as well.
jonahansen 2 years ago 2