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  • FUCK ART

  • John Facenda and Nev Chandler... greatest voices in football. We miss you both.

  • I remember the moving frenzy of the 90s, and my city lost a team as well. But Cleveland losing the Browns was the most unbelievable move.

  • i think i just cried

  • In now reside in Phoenix and have since 87 I saw so many amazing teams and concerts in that stadium back in the 70’s Ozzie Newsome, Brian Sipe, Lyle Alzado, Henry Bradley, Clay Matthews Sr. I saw Pittsburg at their hay day, Joe Nameth, OJ, so many more. Go Ravens

  • I almost cried just now

  • Intense

  • i hope baltimore enjoys cleveland super bowl

  • The "Thanks for the 34 years Art" sign is the biggest load of crap ever.

  • Smartest thing Model ever did.

  • The story of two Jews. Art Modell got greedy and left, now Al Lerner is as cheap as possible and spends just enough to keep the suckers coming back for more.... OUCH!!! Did the truth hurt???

  • Goosebumps....every time I watch this. Anyone who tries to make fun of Browns Fans should watch this. This is why we continue our support though good times and bad. We Believe!

  • RAVENS browns suck sorry

  • @joeypupa

    At least none of our middle linebackers have supposedly committed murder.

  • I can't wait til Art Modell dies.

  • @coolflea216 they will bury him with the Lombardi trophy...you know the one that Cleveland will never sniff.

  • @AirmanJeff It makes me happy that he will die without ever sniffing the HOF

  • @coolflea216 im sure the Lombardi is more important than the HOF...ask Marino if he would have wanted the HOF or a Super Bowl...it's a moot point for Clevelanders this current generation of Browns losers will produce NEITHER

  • My Dad still has a piece of dirt from that field!!! I remember him telling me how he was at that game. I never get tired of hearing that story.

  • Note that the new Stadium is much smaller then the old Stadium. Ticket prices have skyrocketed. and Only Sky boxes really count. Regular fans can't afford to go any more.

  • LOL try bringing a hatchet saw into a stadium after 9/11 LOL damn that would be funny to see go down...

  • Blame the NFL for this. Baltimore had no choice but to swipe a team after the league screwed the city during the Carolina/Jacksonville expansion. We all know now that Jacksonville is not an NFL city.....while Baltimore and Cleveland are.

    The entire thing lies at the feet of Paul Tagliabue and Redskins owner Jack Kent Cooke, who fought to keep the NFL out of Baltimore after the Colts move.

  • @stickonfreez: I'll never buy that Baltimore had no choice but to swipe a team. As far as I'm concerned the Colts fans were screwed by Irsay and eventually that city chose (along with Modell) chose to do the same thing to another town. In that I have no respect for Baltimore, St. Louis or any other town that lost a team and then went and did the same thing to someone else's fans

  • @djinconroe The NFL denied Baltimore an expansion team and gave expansion teams to Jacksonville and Carolina (what a joke).

  • @djinconroe And there are still people in Baltimore who complain the Colts left. At least we got to keep the team history.

  • @raratunga FUCK YOU

  • @raratunga: Colts fans didn't deserve to lose their team. A lot of Ravens fans don't deserve to have one. Team of turds, city of turds.

  • I Hope Art modell rots in hell. He is truly a moron though. Not only for moving the team but also firing Paul Brown. I mean, who fires Paul Brown????

  • I know you cleveland fans are still mad with art modell for moving the browns to baltimore to become the ravens.but speaking as a jets fan the new browns will never live up to the old browns.the old team had so much character and of course the old dog pound to irreplacable

  • god dammit i just got goosebumps

  • @clevelandboy5324 Yyyyo . Me too. No bullshit,.my eyes got watery.

  • Fucking Art Modell

  • Anytime anyone wants to even consider putting Art in the Hall, they should be made to watch this video.

  • recent si poll showed the cleveland browns as the least likely team to be hated. with all the misery up there, its hard to hate on them

  • Great to hear Casey Coleman during this clip. "Roundin third and headin home" RIP, Casey.

  • when the players ran to the dawg pound i bawled like a newborn

  • I love this team so much hope they never leave again

  • 5 years later they bring um back and art modell could have got in 1994

  • 0:15 that dude brought in a fucking saw into the stadium. If you even bring a pen into a stadium today you get SWAT on your ass in 5 seconds.

  • oh come on, baltimore fans had to wait decades for a new team while browns had to wait several years for their same team to come back.

  • These vids always give me hope for Cleveland. I love my city.

  • EN MEXICO TAMBIEN TIENE FANS ESTEGRAN EQUIPO

  • Never should have torn that palace down... i still have my 2 bricks to keep the spirit alive.

  • @airmanjeff while I respect your thoughts on that bastard ex-browns owner, do not insult or disrespect any and every cavaliers fan(s) out there, including myself. What LJ did was Modell-esque.

    Besides, the Cavs will be contenders again in 2 years anyways.

  • I hope Modell dies soon and NEVER. Let me repeat that again: NEVER. Gets into the HOF.

  • @ChristianRudloff he will one day, you can be sure of it. Just like Lebron will win an NBA title and give a big FUCK YOU to all of Cleveland's loser fans. I can't wait for both days to happen!!!

  • @AirmanJeff act hard over the internet come to ohio and talk shit

  • I miss all the old stadiums the game was so much beter back then!!!!!!!!

  • is this from 1995 yearbook: the last yearbook for the old browns??

  • ha, try to bring a rusty saw into any game now

  • @dpcohio I have to be really persuasive to bring a gatorade!

  • you guys got rid of modell but kept everything else,whats the problem?if the browns were good you guys wouldnt be so angry.

  • nigga fuck u we da bodyland ravans run wit us or run from us ur pick bitch boy

  • Fuck modell..hope he burns in hell!!!!

  • May Art Modell rot in hell. And may I cross paths with him when I get there too! Sorry-Stinking Coward!!!!!!!!

  • I have always disliked the Ravens. I felt it was very hypocritical of the city of Baltimore to take the Browns. They had their hearts broken when the Colts left for Indy, then they go and steal another city's team. Baltimore should have been tried their hand at expansion again before stealing the Brownies.

  • thanx for the upload at least the steelers lost the super bowl

  • RIP Casey Coleman

  • I'm a die-hard Steelers fan & have very little fondness for the Browns, but I definitely respect them, their fans & the great rivalry we have with this history-rich team & city. The NFL certainly needs the Cleveland Browns and I was happy to see their city get their team back. The teams that now make the AFC North have always been and will always be some of the best and hardest-hitting games in football. Trust me, not all Steelers fans are jerks who rub your noses in anything. Most of us are OK.

  • @SchaefDizzle Its a love hate relationship with all steelers fans cause us browns fans and you are the same people. Hard nose blue collar workers. But someone has to win and i hate you faggots for doing it. One day the Browns will rise again and make it a rivalry. But until then go Die Steelers!

  • fuck cleveland, a bunch of cryin ass people.

  • @DaAmericanWanksta

    wow....you must have got your ass kicked by a Browns fan at one point in your pathetic life.

  • @DawgPoundBrutus never met one, but ya'll really passionate. and no i never did

  • Browns move to Baltimore and 5 years later the ravens win the SB. Lebron leaves and will no doubt win a championship. Sorry cleveland. I feel for ya.

  • God Bless the Browns, the City of Cleveland, and most of all, the fans. Cleveland has my heart.

  • One of the HAPPIEST days of my entire life.

  • Art Model sucks, he took away on of the greatest rivalries in the NFL and the oldest. I am sorry it dose not feel the same anymore when my Steelers face the Browns though I hope you guys get good soon. So we can have the great games we used to have all over again.

  • @ECWRulz32 Greatest rivalry in football? That's debatable but it's an opinion and everyone's entitled to their opinion. Oldest rivalry in football? I think you should stick to watching what you know about...fake ass wrestling. :-D The Browns/Steelers rivalry is hardly the oldest in football. I give you an A+ for effort though.....lol

  • Man, this video almost made me cry when the Browns players went to the Dawg Pound for the last time. Art Modell can suck a dick, GO BROWNS.

  • I miss the old Browns and Muni.

  • GO BROWNS!

  • this vid makes me feel bad for cleveland fans

  • im glad i started watchin the browns in 1999 so i never knew how it feel to not have a team

  • where was the stadium??

  • @marquanmr it was right were the new stadium is they built the new one were municiple stadium used to stand

  • Testaverde was the shit..nobody will be like Kosar but he was pretty good

  • RIP Harry Kalas

  • This video made me cry. Literally.

  • that guy should have cut off art modells weiner with that saw

  • Hey Clowns fans,,Ravens fan here. If Paul Taglubue would allowed NFL Expansion team to Baltimore it would never had happened. But instead HE GAVE IT TO JACKSONVILLE! And if Mayor Rondell White didnt lie to Art Modell and built that Rock n Roll HOF you might saw the first superbowl championship in Cleveland. But now because all those events happened youre stuck with your sorry losers along with that loser clown owner learner. I rather give Mr Modell a new stadium than that Rock N Roll HOF!

  • @steveox1961 WTF are you typing??? You do not have basic knowledge of sentence structure, spelling and your info is WRONG!!! The mayor @ the time was Michael R. (REED) White!! The RONDELL White you may be referring to was a MLB outfielder w/several teams named in the Mitchell report for use of steroids. TAGLIABUE is misspelled. You butchered it. The sentence you're attempting to piece together is 'would have allowed a NFL expansion team.' A Ravens fan huh??? I bet you are a gem in their eye.

  • @emauriceharr The Jacksonville Jags should have been ours. The Commish simply wouldnt allow Baltimore to be given the ball. So we had to steal Clevelands team just like Indy stole ours.

  • B'More didn't steal the Browns nor did Indy steal your Colts. Fact: When the owner of a professional team expresses concern for a NEW facility, especially when the current facility is dilapidated, take heed to their words. In both cases, they were ignored. It was a slap in the face to Modell when the "Jake" (Progressive Field now) was built. It was the Browns packing in the seats @ Muni, not the Indians. He did what he had to do. I am not mad @ him. Congrats on your Superbowl victory.

  • @emauriceharr

    Couldn't agree with you more!!!!!!!

  • @steveox1961

    The same thing happened with the city of Indianapolis, the RCA dome was originally supposed to bring the city of Indianapolis an expansion MLB and NFL team. But Cincy blocked us from both just like Kent Cooke blocked your city from and expansion NFL team and after that we tried to get the Saints and were turned down so we had no choice but to take the Colts and THEIR COLORS. You people in Baltimore had a choice thanks to the city of Cleveland.

  • @tedkissel See,,, Now because Paul Brown blocked Indy expansion team so Indy Mayor decided to steal my Colts away. Now Paul Taglubue blocked Baltimore from getting the Jacksonville Jags so we went after Art Modell and he moved his browns to Baltimore. Now the results from this Baltimore has a damn good team meanwhile Browns have the most shittest team in the NFL next to my shitty Orioles in Baseball.

  • @steveox1961

    Paul Brown WTF, he had NOTHING TO DO WITH US GETTING BLOCKED AND NOT GETTING THE SAINTS that was all the stupid Cincinnati GVT, their fair weather fans, and that fat ass skank bitch Mardge Schloot (owner of the reds at the time). Plus last I thought Jack Kent Cooke and more to do with blocking your city from getting a team then Tagliabue did. And I'll take the O's any day over the Browns record last season the Browns ranked dead last in offense and second to last in defense.

  • @tedkissel O's are dead last in pitching dude.

  • @steveox1961

    Are they dead last in hitting too or second to dead last???? But either way both the Browns and the O's are about as bad as you can get in the MLB and NFL.

  • @tedkissel Hitting is good they can hit homers and extra bases.They Steal bases too. But they walk too many and cant keep the ball in the park.

  • @steveox1961

    Big fucking deal no one cares your city only changed the Browns name because the city of Cleveland stopped Modell from taking it with a shit ton of money. And just for the record, if the city of Cincinnati hadn't blocked up from an MLB and and NFL expansion team in the 1980's or had the Saints agreed to move to Indy the city of Indianapolis would have never even dreamed of taking the Colts and they would not have their 4th NFL title.

  • @tedkissel Now if the Saints went to Indy Colts would still be in Baltimore right now and you might had witness your browns winning that superbowl. And Indy Saints would gave their city a superbowl champ. Now if i only had a time machine id go back and to 1982 and assassinate bob irsay.

  • @steveox1961

    Hey I would have done the same thing.

  • @tedkissel To who? Modell or Irsay?

  • @steveox1961

    And if William Donald Shaffer building your city the museum at Candemen Yards instead of a new stadium for the Colts is absolutely no different. The city of Indianapolis would have HAD AN NFL EXPANSION team and an MLB expansion team as soon as we built the Hoosier dome if the city of Cincinnati and their stupid fair weather fans wouldn't have blocked us from it and caused the NFL comish to lie about it saying our team was just put on hold.

  • @tedkissel Youre wrongh on that. Clevelands mayor had to spend 600 million on Rock n Roll HOF that could been used to build them a new stadium. William Donald Shaffer built that stupid harborplace andf the Maryland science center that cost over 100 million back in 1981 that money could have been used for building a new stadium for the colts across memorial stadium. But Shaffer let the Bullets move to Landovder in 1972 because he wouldnt build a new arena for the Bullets. He almost lost my Os too

  • @steveox1961

    I know all about how Shaffer almost let the O's go. The O's saw the Colts move and they threatened to move and it got them a new stadium.

  • @tedkissel If you remember when EBW bought the Orioles in 1979. He was proposing O's play 61 games in Baltimore 20 and games in DC 1980 season.Then 41 games in Baltimore 41 and games in DC 1981 season. then by 5 years o's would been gone. and when 1987 EBW was gonna sell the team to a Miami group of investors were gonna buy the O's and moved them to Miami. Shaffer sat on his hands and didnt do anything.

  • @steveox1961

    What an idiot.

  • @steveox1961

    Plus if the Colts had staying in Baltimore and the REAL Browns had stayed in Cleveland, the Browns would have their first SB title, while the Colts would still only be sitting at 1 SB title.

  • I'm a "new Browns" fan because of this. I was only five when this happened, but I always wondered why my father liked a football team that didn't exist. When the Browns were reborn in 1999 I realized how possionate and dedicated Cleveland Browns fans are, and jumped on a bandwagon of a 2-14 expansion team. Besides I never liked those ugly black and YELLOW jerseys that other kids wore around.

  • This is classic. It's how I'll always remember the REAL Browns............not as the cheap imitation we've had since Satan and those fuckers in Baltimore stole OUR team.

  • @TheOHbuckeyeIO why arent browns fans ravens fans instead because thats the actual browns pretty much

  • @planefreak3 why would we root for a team that plays for he city of baltimore? you lack any sense

  • @americangirldollroc1 maybe cuz thats the original browns and not the crappy imitation browns

  • That damn Andre Rison. I still remember Art "The Scumbag" making the comment that he had to go to 5 banks in order to give Andre his money. That should have been a warning sign for us. Go Browns!

  • As a diehard Bills fan, I know that were next.

  • You guys aren't next. God forbid the Bills should ever leave Buffalo and Orchard Park for good. The Jaguars and Chargers are more likely to leave their towns than the Bills.

  • I disagree, I say if any team is next it's no question hands down the Raiders. I mean come on everyone knows all LA has to do is build a new stadium to get the Raiders and do you really think the city of LA is going to want the Bills, Rams (who aren't going anywhere), Jags (who aren't going anywhere), Vikings, Niners (who aren't going anywhere), or Chargers (who aren't going anywhere) more then the Raiders?

  • "46 years as a season ticket holder."

    Now THATS a true fan. Fuck art Modell.

  • @miafan89 FUCK BOB IRSAY!!! I hope hes still burning in Hell. Art Model will go to heaven someday

  • @steveox1961

    Na, he'll be rotting in hell with Bob Irsay.

  • @tedkissel You wish. BTW go to hell Ohio State ! GO MICHIGAN!!!!

  • @steveox1961

    Hey Fuck Ohio State (when they play Purdue) and Michigan, GO PURDUE (even though they sucked in football the last 2 years)!!!!!!!!!!!

    And Fuck IU and Duke the Poop that makes you wanna puke too btw.

  • @tedkissel I AGREE!!! I hate Duke in Basketball LETS GO MARYLAND!!! Clap Clap!!

  • @steveox1961

    Right now I hate Duke more then the Patriots, Chargers, Yankees, Michigan U, IU, and Pistons combined. How bout you do you hate them more then the Steelers, Colts, Browns, Yankees, Redskins, NC, and Red Sox all combined?

  • @tedkissel I hate,Yankees,Red Sox Jays,Rays,Steelers ,Colts (not the Baltimore Colts) Celtics but love the Lakers!

  • @steveox1961

    That's not what I asked, I asked do you hate them more then Duke???

    PS.

    You forgot the Patty Cakes, Browns and Bengals or should I say convicts.

  • @tedkissel Browns?? I laugh at them ,,Theyre sorry bunch of losers. Bengals i only like them because of Ex Raven Marvin Lewis who gave us that super bowl title. The rest is no comment.

  • @steveox1961 runner up

  • @steveox1961 And i laugh at you because you're a fuckin joke, get the fuck out of here than if you hate the Browns so much, you're probably a Steeler bandwagon bitch anyway, GO BROWNS!!!

  • @steveox1961

    Oh yeah btw, I bet you only like the Lakers because their always stacked just like all their other fans and the only reason their always stacked is because their the Lakers and they can buy everyones else's talent or get it in the most god awful unfair trade only they can get away with because their the Lakers.

  • Yeah!!!! GO BLUE!!!!! (sic) I meant... BLOW!!!! Especially when you are ranked #5 AP, picked to win your conference w/o contest, then lose to a physically smaller division II-A team (Appalachian State) in you own house??!! In Ann Arbor??!! WHO DOES THAT.... er... definitely not the MEN from Columbus, OH. under Tressel. To sum it up for you....WE don't give a DAMN for the whole state of MICHIGAN..... O-H-I-O!!!!!

  • @miafan89 I think he said 26 years

  • I love how they let the guy bring a hacksaw into the stadium. Try that today and you'll waste a ticket. There's no way they let you inside.

  • FUCK YOU ART MODELL. You ruined and destoryed a beautiful thing. We love our Browns in Cleveland and you tried to take it away from us.  I will hate Art Modell and the city of Baltimore until my last breathe on earth

  • I cried. That's great man. Fuck Modell!

  • "Art, thanks for 34 xciting years" (0:15)... how tasteless of a sign that was...

  • Up yours kid.

  • No, up yours mother fucker... what fan would put that sign up after he stabbed the fans on the back? Guess who? Nobody... The reason being that sign was placed in a section of the stadium where no fan can access it, so it had to be some jackass in the front office

  • You don't know, you wasn't there. "KID"

  • It gave me goose bumps!!!

  • I had a tear. And I'm a die hard Packer fan!

  • my mom's ex boyfriend was a lifelong fan of the browns, i can still remember that day and how sad he was. the browns have the best fans around, and i'm glad the players showed they card about them too

  • Art Modell will never ever be any different then Bob Irsay.

  • absolutely

  • Thank you.

    PS.

    Didn't Modell sign for the Browns to move behind Cleveland's back.

  • No worse than the Colts riding the Mayflower to Indy.

  • How is Art Modell any different then Bob Irsay? The city of Cleveland hated Modell when he owned the Browns more then the city of Baltimore hated Bob Irsay when he owned the Colts. After shopping his team around Modell signed for the Browns to move behind the city of Cleveland's back and charged them for the name and colors. Bob Irsay after shopping the Colts around moved them in the middle of the night.

  • @tedkissel

    Well, Bob Irsay didn't fire Paul Brown did he?

  • Good point I agree with you Modell is worst then Bob Irsay. He hated the city of Cleveland and the city of Cleveland hated him back. That's why he gave them a shitty team that will (unless Homegren turns out to be a good GM) go back to the playoffs with a shitty owner behind their back. But hey if the Browns make the playoffs move power to them.

  • Yeah, how sweet that was watching a stolen team win a Super Bowl, the foundation of which was laid in Cleveland. Go suck Art Modell's d***!

  • More like a stolen superbowl and please for the love of god don't get me started on why the Colts superbowl XLI trophy isn't stolen.

  • @tedkissel Colts Colors,Tradition and Logo were stolen.

  • @steveox1961

    And so was the REAL Cleveland Browns front office and the city of Cleveland's last shot at a national title.

  • @tedkissel olts Colors,Tradition and Logo were stolen. Browns got their name,colors and the whole tradition back.

  • @steveox1961

    OK, good point I agree with you on that but here's something else to consider the city of Indianapolis never took any of the old Baltimore Colts trophies banners ect... and the old Baltimore Colts never did shit in Indy. 2 players from the old Cleveland Browns, their owner and front office won your city a VL trophy. There for that trophy is no more stolen then the Colts, Colors, Tradition , and Logo. And the same goes for your team's front office.

  • @steveox1961

    Post cont. YOU CANNOT SAY THAT ABOUT ANYTHING THE COLTS HAVE WON OR TAKEN FROM THE CITY OF BALTIMORE ASIDE FROM THEIR LOGO, COLORS AND TRADITION!!!!!! Since the Colts 2006 VL trophy was won with a new team, coach, owner, and front office. And 1987 was the only time the Colts even went to the playoffs getting killed by the Browns under Bob Irsay.

  • Stolen team? lol, if the team was stolen then why wasn't there any criminal charges? Modell let Cleveland have those nasty colors and stupid name. The foundation was not laid in Cleveland, only two players from the 95 Browns were on the 00 Ravens Super Bowl winner. Quit crying and making excuses, Cleveland as a sports city sucks, no championships since 1964, pathetic.

  • Yes, it was stolen, and if you're dumb enough to ask why there weren't criminal charges, I'll throw that question back at you. Why weren't there criminal charges when Indy and Irsay "stole" the Colts, as you Baltimorons so often argue. And Modell DID NOT "let" Cleveland have anything! When he signed the deal w/Balti, he was insistent on taking the name and history with him. Cleveland sued the hell out of him and the MD Stadium Authority to the point where he was forced to give everything back.

  • You can verify that easily by typing "Baltimore Browns" into Google or Yahoo, and checking out some of the links. So please learn some facts before posting again and making yourself look like a true Baltimoron in front of the whole world.

  • And the foundation of that '00 team WAS laid in Cleveland. You guys still had most of our old front office staff, including Ozzie Newsome. We were 11-5 in '94, and had the #1 ranked defense. We were the odds on Super Bowl favorite in the AFC in the '95 pre-season. Get it? So brag all you want about Balti's one and only championship in the last like 30 years, but there's still a huge asterisk next to it. Cleveland's still won10 pro sports championships compared to Balti's 8.

  • If that makes you feel better keep telling yourself that. The Ravens are considered an expansion team in the NFL record books, that 94' team had nothing to do with the 00' team, was Ray Lewis, Michael McCrary, Jamal Lewis, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, Tony Siragusa, Jonathan Ogden, Chris McCallister, Duane Starks, HEAD COACH Brain Bilick on that 94 team? Need I go on? Cleveland sucks! Baltimore has won two Super Bowls one with the Colts and Ravens and we beat your ass every year hahaha.

  • Well, first off I'm not a Browns fan, as A colts fan I just can't stand how people claim the Colts are a stolen team and the Ravens are not. Then go ripping on anyone with the last name Irsay and treat Art Modell like he is god. So if you say the Colts aren't a stolen team then in my book your a great Ravens fan and I feel sorry for you. Browns fans only call the Ravens a stolen team because of what the people in Baltimore say about anyone with the last name Irsay.

  • To me the only people Browns fans have the right to call the Ravens a stolen team to their face are. Are the ones who hate anyone with the last name Irsay and constantly call the colts a stolen team insisting the Ravens are not. You ARE a good Ravens fan who is CLEARLY NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE and please just ignore all my comments on Modell they are not directed to you. There just directed to most of the people who comment on this video.

  • I'm not saying it to make myself "feel better". I'm saying it to tell you Baltimorons the truth. Like it or not, people who were on the old Browns front office staff are the ones who brought in those players you mention. Who's to say they wouldn't have taken the same players if the team stayed in Cleveland?

  • I read an article a few months ago in which Ozzie Newsome openly stated that the Browns were on the brink of a championship before moving, and that they brought the same system/philosophies to Baltimore after the move. So the Ravens were an "expansion" team, but they definitely had a great head start before you guys even got them (better than any other expansion team has ever had).

  • Dude serously leave mustanggt alone, he's not a Baltimoron hypocrite like most of the Ravens fans who comment here. He's just like me. He's just supporting his team and offended is by people calling them stolen (there no more stolen then the Colts). I mean come one he actually had the nerve to not call the Colts a stolen team. I'm sure he feels Biscotti is a much better owner then Modell and wishes it were him instead of Modell lifting the Super Bowl XXXV trophy up.

  • Hey Ted, sorry but I have to politely disagree here. Although he's not calling the Colts a stolen team, he's still talking about Modell like he's some hero. He actually believes Modell willingly gave the history back to Cleveland. Then, he rubs it in Browns fans faces that Modell & the Ravens won a SB in '00. That's like salt in the wound for Browns fans. He doesn't realize that winning a SB w/in the first 5 yrs is an impossible fete for any TRUE expansion team.

  • Can't argue with you on that one because the Pacers are a true expansion team. As far as I'm concerned Pacers fans have much much more of a right to call the Pistons (who originated in Indiana) a stolen team who turned all their fans into convicts then the Baltimoron hypocrites to with the Colts. But we don't do that here in the state of Indiana because we have too much class too, we just blame the brawl on Detroit's convict fans like good fans.

  • So again, I don't mean any disrespect toward you, but I just wanted to show mustanggt the error of his ways.

  • Just remember that Art Modell is absolutely no different then Bob Irsay. So just keep in mind that your team won that superbowl with 2 Cleveland Browns and the team's front office so as far as I'm concerned that superbowl trophy is no more stolen from that city of Cleveland then the Colts horse shoe is from the city of Baltimore. Now if you can accept that then as far as I'm concerned neither the Colts nor the Ravens are stolen teams and the same goes for the SB XXXV trophy.

  • The Colts aren't a stolen team, they left after 1983 we don't take credit for the 2006 Super Bowl dummy you move on. Teams move from city to city, no one cried worse then Brownie fans did in 1995 which is why the NFL helped bring a team back. But to wanna take credit for the 2000 Ravens five years into playing in Baltimore is a joke. Art Modell holding the Lombardi trophy I love to see all the crying Brownies fans faces when that great moment happened!

  • @mustanggt12382 The Browns rule.

  • @mustanggt12382 stfu