Also, for all those are like meh they joined FIC or fought in WKC thats cause our and their SPORT sparring methods is the SAME. For all those who dont know hwat a shinken is it means "live blade" and our shinken is completely different from the one they use in kumdo!!!
Finally kumdo sounds like kendo?? I wonder why? Maybe cuz the two languages are...uh...idk FUCKING SIMILAR? They both mean way of the FUCKING SWORD.
Okay for all those whiners, our kendo = stick sport not related to our bushido or samurai culture. U never use shinken in kendo. We use shinken and follow our samurai roots in tameshigiri and iaido or kenjutsu.
Kumdo = korean tie to THEIR warrior culture, and has the same saprring methods from our kendo - think WWII.
Kumdo =/= kendo. Kendo is a sport and kumdo is the koreans way of sword or what ev don't associate our culture with kumdo or kendo. Kendo is a stick sport.
@poke9520 ugh i hate stupid people like you.Learn the sport and then whine. I practice iaido and tameshigiri of kenjutsu. These are tied with bushido and our samurai culture, kendo is just a sportand NEVER use a real sword even in japan. kumdo does use a shinken or what ever they call it and is tied to THEIR warrior culture. Our kendo is not tied to our samurai culture. Ever think kendo sounds like kumdo cause our language is similar? Retarded much? Don't act like you know our culture.
@jeffdoeskungfu you must understand a Japanese kendo and the difference of fake of South Korea. The kendo is Japanese psyche. Do you forgive if the culture in your country is imitated, and there is a country that insists on the origin?South Korea will make the kendo South Korea kumdo, insist on the origin, and make it to Olympic event. The Japanese is angry.
@dessejeny i hate ignorant people that think they know about us...in japan we don't consider this a stolen thing you ignorant prick. You think you are defending us, you are not. Kendo is not a psyche or related to bushido either, out tameshigiri and iaido is. The koreans way of sparring is just same as ours because of colonization, we dont use live swords in kendo here, koreans do after a certain point. We use shinken in tameshigiri. Our bushido culture is not related to this stick sport.
Korea wants you to know that you may tell you a lie in the thing of other countries with the own country origin.
It may be said that Kumdo is an established competition as having made karate of Japan a competition called the taekwondo in Korea.The Japanese thinks that "kendo" and "iaido" are totally different competition.
It is rare that a person doing kendo has a Japanese sword of the iaido of Japan.
South Korea imitated a Japanese kendo, and named kumdo. South Korea made tekwondo that imitated the Karate a South Korea origin and made it to the official program of the Olympics. Kumdo that imitates a Japanese kendo starts being insisted on the South Korea origin, and it making it to Olympic event again now. Therefore, wearing the hakama of the uniform is prohibited. It is a crisis of a Japanese kendo.
Trying to argue that Kumdo is Kendo is like trying to argue that Toyota is a German car b/c it was Germany that produced the first internal combustion horseless carriage aka automobile or car.
If the argument is purely based on current form of kumdo/kendo then Yes, Kumdo is Japanese. However Kum-Do/Ken-Do both means "Way of the Sword". Some argue that ancient Korea had no martial art dealing with the sword. So the mighty chinese and japanese invaders were driven back wih mere sticks, hmm
@nmssis I'm a Kenshi If...(and judging by the looks..... "IF" is a huge leap) ...but "if" Kumdo approaches offense and defense with the sword in a different manner than kendo and "if" the philosophy is different...then the argument is there. However, if it taste, looks and feels like an orange then it is an orange regardless of what the other guy wants to call it. It may be a Koean orange instead of Japanese...with slight differences, but still an orange.
I can stronly say that is kinda nationalism. Also I am a Korean Kendo player.
The origin of Kendo is actually from Japan. I dont really understand why some of Koreans think Judo is japanese thing but why not Kendo? I am sometimes shameful to see some Korean insist this Kendo and Kumdo issue.
Hey you uploader of this clip, do not keep inferiority complex in your mind. It looks very ugly...and ridiculous. I really love to see that Korean team beats Japanese team in thier rule.
@marinetech1980 Yes, I agree but the reason why some Koreans are pushing for the argument is because of unclear history. Unfortunately, many historical records were burned by the Japanese government during the eary 20th Cent occupation.
Remember, Pre-ROK millitary were trained in archery and swordsmanship. Just as one might give repect recognizing Honda as a Japanese make KUMDO now must be recognized as Korean art as well as Kendo recognized as a Japanese art.
The japanese occupation of korea was from 1910 to 1945. It wasn't "myth" it wasn't "propaganda" it was DOCUMENTAD F-A-C-T.
Now shut the fuck up, "kumdo" IS kendo, the armour used in kumdo pretty much proves this as it's inspired by the japanese samurai armour.
TKD has pretty much the same story as this, not one mention of "taekwondo" is mentioned before the introduction of karate into the school sports system and police combat training in korea (along with kendo).
so... just because the armour used in kumdo is the armour used in kendo, you conclude that kumdo must be kendo?
search Youtube and you'll find many European swordsman practicing with the bamboo sword used in kendo. according to your logic, their style must be kendo, too, huh?
the armour is a protective gear. many people use it just simply because it is a protective gear, not because they want to be inspired by samurai.
just think that kumdo is a korean modified kendo. koreans fought more which arrows and cannons.
and korea never was a colony of china. maybe for some decade time by time a subordinate country but no colony. the longest period must be during the chinese Tang dynasty period. Chinese insist that Goguryeo was a subordinate country of china. but Goguryeo lasted longer than any other chinese empire.
I don't agree with the claim that Kumdo is 100% Korean. The sparring methods in Kumdo are 100% Japanese Kendo, so is the uniform. However, in Kumdo schools, you'll also learn the Korean sword forms from old manuals like the Muyedobotongji.
I doubt you've been to a Gumdo dojang. Sparring and clothes is Japanese, but forms are Korean, and it is derived from that book. I've been to both Gumdo and Kendo schools, and as far as I know, Kendo has no forms (only some kata).
Korea had been colonized by China over hundreds years so she was protected by China. Which means Koreans did not have to develop its martial arts. Just like Japan now being protected by the US. Even if Koreans needed, they did copy Chinese MA using one hand grip sword with shield. and if JP copies Koreans it must have been much similar to Chinese, but not, why?
Also, Katana, which is really important thing when we talk about kendo, was major imported good for both China and Korea since katana was invented. Why did they need to import katana if roots are from them? Why didn't they make katana by themselves? besides, China invented changdao(check WIKI) which was influenced by Katana and JP martial Arts. Are you guys still arguing this topic?
Before a Kumdo match, the two opponents bow to eachother but they do not perform Sonkyo. This is one of the very few differences between Kumdo and Kendo.
Nippononna said that they wondered if Koreans accept the spirit of Shintoism through doing kumdo when they bow to their opponent. I don't think they do because in Kendo the opponents bow and perform sonkyo (squatting bow) before the match whereas in kumdo the opponents just bow. However, in European fencing opponents salute eachother, is this the spirit of Shintoism too or just a different expression of respect?
Todo esto os lo digo con el mayor respeto hacia lo que haceis, que me parece muy serio, por supuesto, pero yo he estudiado la tradición japonesa desde siempre y el Kendô es una parte de su historia y cultura. 剣道とＫＵＭＤＯは同じ漢字で書きますが、発音が違うことが分かるけど、剣道の起源は韓国じゃない、日本です。剣道では日本刀を使う。韓国の剣は形や使い方は全然違います。
Imaginate que despues the 100 años de ocupacion y violacion seas libre...Por supuesto que no querias tener ningun tipo de asociacion con tus antiguos amos oh no...Tu eres espanol verdad? por tu accento se te nota!Bueno si tienes idead de lo que fue la ocupacion musulmana de España tendrias idea,y ademas que fue lo que hicieron los Iberos despues de espulsar a los musulmanes y judios,crear la Inquisicion vaya regalito que le dieron al mundo...
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i'm from U.S. and we've learned in world history class in college that ancient Japan's culture is greatly influenced by China and Korea.
all countries have their own native martial arts -- it's just the way human culture works.
however, if you look at the history, it's pretty obvious that most of Japanese martial arts were influced by Chinese and Korean martial arts. then after WWII, Japanese martial arts spread back to the world.
jojo, it's actually the other way around. japanese are always trying to take control over korean culture and koreans are just defending their culture.
LOL, it's ironic that Japan asks other to develop their own culture when Japanese culture has been shaped by Chinese and Korean cultures over thousands of years now by American culture i might add. are you trying to say that Japanese martial arts have not been influenced by China and Korea?
my friendly advice is to learn Japanese history with objective eyes; be careful not to get brain-washed, or hear only what you want to hear. (same advice to Koreans, and everyone else).
@shadow01f YOU ARE brainwashed Mr. I'm not talking about influences. I'm taking about where kendo was born. Chinese and Korean often talk about their influences, yet all matters influence and get influenced each other in the universe. NOT ONLY YOU INFLUENCE EVERYTHING. LOL.
Let's make clear this with an example. Brazilian made Brazilian jujyutsu. That is Brazilian's MA but not Japan's because Brazilian made the MA. They never say that Jujyutsu is originated in Brazil. (continued)
@shadow01f (Continued) You can make a new MA from kendo, but do never ever say that kendo is originated by Korea or Chinese, wherever other countries besides Japan. Don't mix up the words origin and influence, buddy.
you are playing a word game, but i'll play with you. yes, "kendo" is not Korean or Chinese (not that anyone claimed that "kendo" was Korean or Chinese...) but, if you notice, this video is using the word "kumdo", not "kendo".
"kumdo" is not "kendo" (as this video description even says).
@shadow01f I'm sorry, but I don't get it. What is your point? You seem more to be playing a word game. You said, "Kumdo is not kendo". Then, what is kumdo? Define it with historical facts.
when people say Kendo, it is used as a generic terminology for Japanese martial arts of sword fighting. i'm sure there are many different sword styles in Japan with their distinct names, but at least in U.S, they are all considered as kendo.
the same goes with "kumdo". in Korea, it is a generic modern term for Korean martial arts of sword fighting. there are many styles of Korean sword fighting, but people just refer them kumdo.
@shadow01f No, that doesn't clarify at all or even makes more confusion. Did you mean kendo is a style of Korean sword fighting? If so, I have to say you are wrong because kendo is Japanese sword fighting, not Korean's. By the way, what did you mean by that kendo has many different sword styles. Show an example.
what i'm saying is that when people hear Kendo, they think of Japanese sword fighting styles. and Kumdo with Korean sword fighting. Fencing with Western sword fighting. etc.
at least when average Americans see any Japanese sword fighting style, we group them all together and call them Kendo -- when we probably should've used Kenjutsu.
@shadow01f Whatever. Since you can see that you haven't answered for my questions, you must understand that kendo is kendo and it is not kumdo as even not a part of kumdo. Where is the historical facts? Where is the example? I think maybe that kumdo should exclude to wear the japanese dogi, bogu, and swords and to follow the rules if you say kendo is a style of Korean sword fighting because the outfit is not Korean style.
no offense, but i am not sure if you really understand the conversation by the way you reply with misinformation. it may be because you are not a native English speaker, but let me state it clearly for you again:
No one claims Kendo is Kumdo. in fact, the video description clearly states: "Kumdo is not KENDO".
if you fail to understand a simple sentence as that, i think we should stop corresponding because you only hear what you want to hear and twist what others are saying.
@shadow01f Bad excuse. It is the fact that the video description atates "but...
Kumdo is equal to Kendo" after "Kumdo is not KENDO" too. You shoud've added the phrase. Anyway, I am bit tired of discussing with you, so I stop here. People can know that you couldn't define kumdo after all and I'm right. That's enough for me for now. Bye.
@shadow01f you're totally right shadow. it's a general term for sword fighting in korea. and there is daehankumdo(which is the japanese kendo) and haedongkumdo(which is a korean style)
the core roots, and forms came from Korea, however with the many invasions, the japanese saw more potential of this sport growning then the koreans, so they developed the practice sword (jook-do/shinai).
but hey, im arguing with the people that claimed Kimchee was japanese at first so...
many martial arts, including sword-fighting, spread to ancient Japan from China and Korea thousands of years ago.
i agree that martial arts in each country evolved into their own distinct style over time, but one has to acknowledge the fact that root of Kendo had many help from other countries.
it looks like this video author is using Kumdo as an ancient Korean way of sword, in which case would be correct that Kumdo is not Kendo.
@rhythm465 i don't think that the japanese tried to make the koreans use kendo, kendo&karate is japanese pride for the samurai caste. so it would have been shameful for the japanese to let the koreans learn it who they were ruling in those days. if i'm not wrong, even the creator of kyokushinryu karate(choi bae-dal aka ooyama masutatsu) experienced discrimination when he practiced karate because he was a chosun person(korean). it's just my opinion so don't get bothered if you think you're right
@MrPihtija aikido is a modern sports. founded in the early 20th century. and yes you're right karate was not a samurai discipline it's okinawan martial arts. but still kendo&karate is japanese pride for the japanese. let me correct "samurai caste" to "japanese"
Kumdo?
Its korean joke.
norichaaan1 1 month ago
This is so stupid.
Martial arts at some point gain respect for their achievements.
But I don't feel a tiny bit of respect towards this Kumdo or Gumdo groups.
How can we respect something that is so dishonest and disrespectful.
What they're doing is totally opposite of the quality of real martial arts.(at least with the idea of Japanese martial arts)
Not even qualified to call it martial art, they should categorize it as sport instead.
1207daone 2 months ago
look at that N Korea is not complain Japanese culture as its own culture. Only S Korea do it everywhere in the world.
It means that in 65 years history of S Korea it is steeling Japanese culture with long history rooted.
Shame on you!
mitoman32 2 months ago
All Japan Kendo Federation has to complain that Korea is lying and steeling origin of Kendo and Katana
mitoman32 2 months ago
The origin of Kendo is NOT Korea. Stop lying!
1207daone 3 months ago 6
Also, for all those are like meh they joined FIC or fought in WKC thats cause our and their SPORT sparring methods is the SAME. For all those who dont know hwat a shinken is it means "live blade" and our shinken is completely different from the one they use in kumdo!!!
Finally kumdo sounds like kendo?? I wonder why? Maybe cuz the two languages are...uh...idk FUCKING SIMILAR? They both mean way of the FUCKING SWORD.
johnsclouds 4 months ago
Okay for all those whiners, our kendo = stick sport not related to our bushido or samurai culture. U never use shinken in kendo. We use shinken and follow our samurai roots in tameshigiri and iaido or kenjutsu.
Kumdo = korean tie to THEIR warrior culture, and has the same saprring methods from our kendo - think WWII.
Kumdo =/= kendo. Kendo is a sport and kumdo is the koreans way of sword or what ev don't associate our culture with kumdo or kendo. Kendo is a stick sport.
johnsclouds 4 months ago
well, you like it or not, kumdo is kendo. that's why Korea accepted as a member of FIK, and participate in WKC.
takaharahideyoshi 4 months ago
This is just Japannese Kendo!
Don't steal precious culture from them !
This is disgusting
siodrymenu 5 months ago
@siodrymenu
It is just what you say.
This is stupid sports called kumdo where a Korean imitated Japanese KENDO.
There being it has nothing to do with Bushido entirely in Kumdo.
poke9520 4 months ago
@poke9520 ugh i hate stupid people like you.Learn the sport and then whine. I practice iaido and tameshigiri of kenjutsu. These are tied with bushido and our samurai culture, kendo is just a sportand NEVER use a real sword even in japan. kumdo does use a shinken or what ever they call it and is tied to THEIR warrior culture. Our kendo is not tied to our samurai culture. Ever think kendo sounds like kumdo cause our language is similar? Retarded much? Don't act like you know our culture.
johnsclouds 4 months ago
if kumdo is not kendo why the koreans fight in WKC?
MatheusRebelo 5 months ago
Korean fake kendo.
tak525 6 months ago 3
Komdo→×
Kendo→ ○
Kendo is Japanese traditional culture.
Korean steal many Japanese culture and Chinese culture.
Korean behave as if korean culture.
aichi19940226 6 months ago 3
Koreans hate Japanese, are they not?
THEN why are Koreans keep copying Japanese culture????????
Silverstein1883 7 months ago 3
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CAUTION!!
Gumdo is a Korean of KENDO reading.
And the KENDO historically has the origin in Japan.
When the KENDO is a Korea origin, they are fabricating it !!
They also are fabricating a story to them own advantage that all Japanese culture
are Korean origins !!
Everybody of intelligent foreigner !
PLEASE DO NOT CHEAT !!
TheMatrix1221 7 months ago
ha ha ha....
Liar's Korean people
mimic military arts
This is imitation of Japan
Melchiorbv 7 months ago 4
@jeffdoeskungfu you must understand a Japanese kendo and the difference of fake of South Korea. The kendo is Japanese psyche. Do you forgive if the culture in your country is imitated, and there is a country that insists on the origin?South Korea will make the kendo South Korea kumdo, insist on the origin, and make it to Olympic event. The Japanese is angry.
dessejeny 9 months ago 11
@dessejeny i hate ignorant people that think they know about us...in japan we don't consider this a stolen thing you ignorant prick. You think you are defending us, you are not. Kendo is not a psyche or related to bushido either, out tameshigiri and iaido is. The koreans way of sparring is just same as ours because of colonization, we dont use live swords in kendo here, koreans do after a certain point. We use shinken in tameshigiri. Our bushido culture is not related to this stick sport.
johnsclouds 4 months ago
@johnsclouds It is as follows that I want to say.
Korea wants you to know that you may tell you a lie in the thing of other countries with the own country origin.
It may be said that Kumdo is an established competition as having made karate of Japan a competition called the taekwondo in Korea.The Japanese thinks that "kendo" and "iaido" are totally different competition.
It is rare that a person doing kendo has a Japanese sword of the iaido of Japan.
poke9520 4 months ago
@johnsclouds It is your freedom whether you support kendo, kumdo which.
poke9520 4 months ago
South Korea imitated a Japanese kendo, and named kumdo. South Korea made tekwondo that imitated the Karate a South Korea origin and made it to the official program of the Olympics. Kumdo that imitates a Japanese kendo starts being insisted on the South Korea origin, and it making it to Olympic event again now. Therefore, wearing the hakama of the uniform is prohibited. It is a crisis of a Japanese kendo.
dessejeny 9 months ago 5
Trying to argue that Kumdo is Kendo is like trying to argue that Toyota is a German car b/c it was Germany that produced the first internal combustion horseless carriage aka automobile or car.
If the argument is purely based on current form of kumdo/kendo then Yes, Kumdo is Japanese. However Kum-Do/Ken-Do both means "Way of the Sword". Some argue that ancient Korea had no martial art dealing with the sword. So the mighty chinese and japanese invaders were driven back wih mere sticks, hmm
nmssis 1 year ago
@nmssis I'm a Kenshi If...(and judging by the looks..... "IF" is a huge leap) ...but "if" Kumdo approaches offense and defense with the sword in a different manner than kendo and "if" the philosophy is different...then the argument is there. However, if it taste, looks and feels like an orange then it is an orange regardless of what the other guy wants to call it. It may be a Koean orange instead of Japanese...with slight differences, but still an orange.
jadewillow 1 year ago
@jadewillow Have you tried oranges from south america v the ones from florida or asia for that matter? very different.
nmssis 1 year ago
Nice kendo vid.
jeffdoeskungfu 1 year ago
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I can stronly say that is kinda nationalism. Also I am a Korean Kendo player.
The origin of Kendo is actually from Japan. I dont really understand why some of Koreans think Judo is japanese thing but why not Kendo? I am sometimes shameful to see some Korean insist this Kendo and Kumdo issue.
Hey you uploader of this clip, do not keep inferiority complex in your mind. It looks very ugly...and ridiculous. I really love to see that Korean team beats Japanese team in thier rule.
marinetech1980 1 year ago
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marinetech1980 1 year ago
@marinetech1980 Yes, I agree but the reason why some Koreans are pushing for the argument is because of unclear history. Unfortunately, many historical records were burned by the Japanese government during the eary 20th Cent occupation.
Remember, Pre-ROK millitary were trained in archery and swordsmanship. Just as one might give repect recognizing Honda as a Japanese make KUMDO now must be recognized as Korean art as well as Kendo recognized as a Japanese art.
nmssis 1 year ago
Hi.
I would like to go in korea play some kendo.
Where shall i go?
Is there nito ryu style school in Korea?
Tell me more please, I don't know anything about Korea.
ninjalowang 1 year ago
Korea is just full of shit
e546541 1 year ago 2
韓国人て馬鹿だな本当。
NIHONICHIBAAN 1 year ago
MauriceXVX
where the hell do you get your information from? thats a myth that japan is invading korea to go to china -_-
MrProHLG 2 years ago
@MrProHLG
The japanese occupation of korea was from 1910 to 1945. It wasn't "myth" it wasn't "propaganda" it was DOCUMENTAD F-A-C-T.
Now shut the fuck up, "kumdo" IS kendo, the armour used in kumdo pretty much proves this as it's inspired by the japanese samurai armour.
TKD has pretty much the same story as this, not one mention of "taekwondo" is mentioned before the introduction of karate into the school sports system and police combat training in korea (along with kendo).
Accept it...
ihaterobbie123 2 years ago
@ihaterobbie123
so... just because the armour used in kumdo is the armour used in kendo, you conclude that kumdo must be kendo?
search Youtube and you'll find many European swordsman practicing with the bamboo sword used in kendo. according to your logic, their style must be kendo, too, huh?
the armour is a protective gear. many people use it just simply because it is a protective gear, not because they want to be inspired by samurai.
shadow01f 1 year ago
What's uniquely Korean? Kimchi, that's it!
occeo 2 years ago
fucking Korean!!!!!
Kumdo is the copy from Japan Kendo.Korean is dirty play,dirty spirit,dirty national.
hoangminh86 2 years ago
oh I was replying to taitei96, by the way.
stabdaback 2 years ago
うそじゃ！
mjjlcy 2 years ago 3
BAKA Korean!
Kendo is from Japan!!
Korean learn kendo from Japanese!
mjjlcy 2 years ago
kumdo=kendo
soccer=football
mjskku 2 years ago
to all the japanese :
just think that kumdo is a korean modified kendo. koreans fought more which arrows and cannons.
and korea never was a colony of china. maybe for some decade time by time a subordinate country but no colony. the longest period must be during the chinese Tang dynasty period. Chinese insist that Goguryeo was a subordinate country of china. but Goguryeo lasted longer than any other chinese empire.
kdsbsb 2 years ago
I don't agree with the claim that Kumdo is 100% Korean. The sparring methods in Kumdo are 100% Japanese Kendo, so is the uniform. However, in Kumdo schools, you'll also learn the Korean sword forms from old manuals like the Muyedobotongji.
stabdaback 2 years ago 2
No,uyedobotongji is unrelated.
watch?v=ImWL-N582ZU&feature=related
watch?v=hG6tqGGZW8Y
Please look at these movies.
taitei96 2 years ago
I doubt you've been to a Gumdo dojang. Sparring and clothes is Japanese, but forms are Korean, and it is derived from that book. I've been to both Gumdo and Kendo schools, and as far as I know, Kendo has no forms (only some kata).
stabdaback 2 years ago
Don't tell me now that taekwondo is not karate either....Oh noooo oh my god I guess the horse is not a cow either...LOL
kibaloboferoz 2 years ago
Then why did the Japanese, Americans, Italians etc...copy German automobiles? Why do the world that game called football (soccer)? Does it matter?
jihee6181 2 years ago
Hey have you ever hear of Mexican YU'DO? I hear is quite deadly martial art technique system ehse.
kibaloboferoz 2 years ago
@jihee6181
Oh, so now you admit copying of kendo. I know. That is who you guys are.
6shige9 1 year ago
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6shige9 1 year ago
>kumdo0770&shadow01f
Let me ask some questions.
Korea had been colonized by China over hundreds years so she was protected by China. Which means Koreans did not have to develop its martial arts. Just like Japan now being protected by the US. Even if Koreans needed, they did copy Chinese MA using one hand grip sword with shield. and if JP copies Koreans it must have been much similar to Chinese, but not, why?
tokonhumetu 2 years ago
Also, Katana, which is really important thing when we talk about kendo, was major imported good for both China and Korea since katana was invented. Why did they need to import katana if roots are from them? Why didn't they make katana by themselves? besides, China invented changdao(check WIKI) which was influenced by Katana and JP martial Arts. Are you guys still arguing this topic?
tokonhumetu 2 years ago
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homigom2 2 years ago
The forerunner of 剣道(kendo) was 剣術(kenjutsu).
And Kenjutsu was sponsored by 神道(shinto).
The manner of bowing to an adversary really represents the spirit of Shintoism.
I wonder if Koreans accept the spirit of Shintoism thruough doning kendo(kumdo)?
nippononna 3 years ago 2
Before a Kumdo match, the two opponents bow to eachother but they do not perform Sonkyo. This is one of the very few differences between Kumdo and Kendo.
braeduin 2 years ago
@braeduin
I don't get the point.
6shige9 1 year ago
Nippononna said that they wondered if Koreans accept the spirit of Shintoism through doing kumdo when they bow to their opponent. I don't think they do because in Kendo the opponents bow and perform sonkyo (squatting bow) before the match whereas in kumdo the opponents just bow. However, in European fencing opponents salute eachother, is this the spirit of Shintoism too or just a different expression of respect?
braeduin 1 year ago
Todo esto os lo digo con el mayor respeto hacia lo que haceis, que me parece muy serio, por supuesto, pero yo he estudiado la tradición japonesa desde siempre y el Kendô es una parte de su historia y cultura. 剣道とＫＵＭＤＯは同じ漢字で書きますが、発音が違うことが分かるけど、剣道の起源は韓国じゃない、日本です。剣道では日本刀を使う。韓国の剣は形や使い方は全然違います。
jojoquebien 3 years ago 22
¿por qué sois tan nacionalistas?
jojoquebien 3 years ago
Imaginate que despues the 100 años de ocupacion y violacion seas libre...Por supuesto que no querias tener ningun tipo de asociacion con tus antiguos amos oh no...Tu eres espanol verdad? por tu accento se te nota!Bueno si tienes idead de lo que fue la ocupacion musulmana de España tendrias idea,y ademas que fue lo que hicieron los Iberos despues de espulsar a los musulmanes y judios,crear la Inquisicion vaya regalito que le dieron al mundo...
kibaloboferoz 2 years ago
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i'm from U.S. and we've learned in world history class in college that ancient Japan's culture is greatly influenced by China and Korea.
all countries have their own native martial arts -- it's just the way human culture works.
however, if you look at the history, it's pretty obvious that most of Japanese martial arts were influced by Chinese and Korean martial arts. then after WWII, Japanese martial arts spread back to the world.
shadow01f 3 years ago
You are an utter idiot.
TomNortherner 2 years ago
los coreanos siempre intentando apropiarse de la cultura japonesa...
jojoquebien 3 years ago
jojo, it's actually the other way around. japanese are always trying to take control over korean culture and koreans are just defending their culture.
shadow01f 3 years ago
@shadow01f
Ok, that's enough. Japanese are sick of this stuff by you guys. Be independent. Develop your own culture and don't steal others' any more.
6shige9 1 year ago
@6shige9
LOL, it's ironic that Japan asks other to develop their own culture when Japanese culture has been shaped by Chinese and Korean cultures over thousands of years now by American culture i might add. are you trying to say that Japanese martial arts have not been influenced by China and Korea?
my friendly advice is to learn Japanese history with objective eyes; be careful not to get brain-washed, or hear only what you want to hear. (same advice to Koreans, and everyone else).
shadow01f 1 year ago
@shadow01f YOU ARE brainwashed Mr. I'm not talking about influences. I'm taking about where kendo was born. Chinese and Korean often talk about their influences, yet all matters influence and get influenced each other in the universe. NOT ONLY YOU INFLUENCE EVERYTHING. LOL.
Let's make clear this with an example. Brazilian made Brazilian jujyutsu. That is Brazilian's MA but not Japan's because Brazilian made the MA. They never say that Jujyutsu is originated in Brazil. (continued)
6shige9 1 year ago
@shadow01f (Continued) You can make a new MA from kendo, but do never ever say that kendo is originated by Korea or Chinese, wherever other countries besides Japan. Don't mix up the words origin and influence, buddy.
6shige9 1 year ago
@6shige9
you are playing a word game, but i'll play with you. yes, "kendo" is not Korean or Chinese (not that anyone claimed that "kendo" was Korean or Chinese...) but, if you notice, this video is using the word "kumdo", not "kendo".
"kumdo" is not "kendo" (as this video description even says).
shadow01f 1 year ago
@shadow01f I'm sorry, but I don't get it. What is your point? You seem more to be playing a word game. You said, "Kumdo is not kendo". Then, what is kumdo? Define it with historical facts.
6shige9 1 year ago
@6shige9
when people say Kendo, it is used as a generic terminology for Japanese martial arts of sword fighting. i'm sure there are many different sword styles in Japan with their distinct names, but at least in U.S, they are all considered as kendo.
the same goes with "kumdo". in Korea, it is a generic modern term for Korean martial arts of sword fighting. there are many styles of Korean sword fighting, but people just refer them kumdo.
i hope this clarifies the misunderstanding. :)
shadow01f 1 year ago
@shadow01f No, that doesn't clarify at all or even makes more confusion. Did you mean kendo is a style of Korean sword fighting? If so, I have to say you are wrong because kendo is Japanese sword fighting, not Korean's. By the way, what did you mean by that kendo has many different sword styles. Show an example.
6shige9 1 year ago
@6shige9
what i'm saying is that when people hear Kendo, they think of Japanese sword fighting styles. and Kumdo with Korean sword fighting. Fencing with Western sword fighting. etc.
at least when average Americans see any Japanese sword fighting style, we group them all together and call them Kendo -- when we probably should've used Kenjutsu.
shadow01f 1 year ago
@shadow01f Whatever. Since you can see that you haven't answered for my questions, you must understand that kendo is kendo and it is not kumdo as even not a part of kumdo. Where is the historical facts? Where is the example? I think maybe that kumdo should exclude to wear the japanese dogi, bogu, and swords and to follow the rules if you say kendo is a style of Korean sword fighting because the outfit is not Korean style.
6shige9 1 year ago
@6shige9
no offense, but i am not sure if you really understand the conversation by the way you reply with misinformation. it may be because you are not a native English speaker, but let me state it clearly for you again:
No one claims Kendo is Kumdo. in fact, the video description clearly states: "Kumdo is not KENDO".
if you fail to understand a simple sentence as that, i think we should stop corresponding because you only hear what you want to hear and twist what others are saying.
shadow01f 1 year ago
@shadow01f Bad excuse. It is the fact that the video description atates "but...
Kumdo is equal to Kendo" after "Kumdo is not KENDO" too. You shoud've added the phrase. Anyway, I am bit tired of discussing with you, so I stop here. People can know that you couldn't define kumdo after all and I'm right. That's enough for me for now. Bye.
6shige9 1 year ago
@shadow01f you're totally right shadow. it's a general term for sword fighting in korea. and there is daehankumdo(which is the japanese kendo) and haedongkumdo(which is a korean style)
kdsbsb 1 year ago
japanese style ・・・・ｗｈｙ？
kenta420 3 years ago 3
call it with it s name, korean thieves
Ptolemayos 3 years ago
learn your history, kendo was invented by the koreans and it was called kumdo. the japanese also learned kumdo, but it is called kendo in japan.
SushiMACbk 3 years ago
you should learn your history.
kendo was passed on by japanese to the koreans during the time when korea was invaded by japan.....
kendo was never invented by the koreans...
aky733no1 3 years ago
actually, denied.
the core roots, and forms came from Korea, however with the many invasions, the japanese saw more potential of this sport growning then the koreans, so they developed the practice sword (jook-do/shinai).
but hey, im arguing with the people that claimed Kimchee was japanese at first so...
Kumdo0770 3 years ago
I think everybody here needs to learn their Chinese characters, it's the same thing, and same meaning
joonshik 3 years ago
The fact is...
Kendo was spread throughout Korea from Japan as Kumdo during World War II.
The Empire of Japan tried to implant their(Japanese) culture including Kendo into Korean for the sake of a colonial policy.
rhythm465 3 years ago 15
true, but another fact is...
many martial arts, including sword-fighting, spread to ancient Japan from China and Korea thousands of years ago.
i agree that martial arts in each country evolved into their own distinct style over time, but one has to acknowledge the fact that root of Kendo had many help from other countries.
it looks like this video author is using Kumdo as an ancient Korean way of sword, in which case would be correct that Kumdo is not Kendo.
shadow01f 3 years ago
The korean looked down on all martial arts other than archery. Kumdo is pure fantasy, directly lifted from Kendo but renaming a few aspects.
TomNortherner 2 years ago 2
@rhythm465 i don't think that the japanese tried to make the koreans use kendo, kendo&karate is japanese pride for the samurai caste. so it would have been shameful for the japanese to let the koreans learn it who they were ruling in those days. if i'm not wrong, even the creator of kyokushinryu karate(choi bae-dal aka ooyama masutatsu) experienced discrimination when he practiced karate because he was a chosun person(korean). it's just my opinion so don't get bothered if you think you're right
kdsbsb 1 year ago
@kdsbsb if i'm not wrong, karate was not a samurai discipline :) ...i'm like 90% sure...though jujitsu/do and aikijitsu/do are :)
MrPihtija 1 year ago
@MrPihtija aikido is a modern sports. founded in the early 20th century. and yes you're right karate was not a samurai discipline it's okinawan martial arts. but still kendo&karate is japanese pride for the japanese. let me correct "samurai caste" to "japanese"
kdsbsb 1 year ago