7-14 Salvation Through Water Baptism ? - Church of Christ

[GahdeMalprigi1488x]

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[tgbotg]

And if they meant the "because of" version of English "for" they would've used the word γαρ which looks backward.

[lllannallll]

@tgbotg correct!

[tgbotg]

Okay, this guy doesn't know Greek. If you were to translate "for me" to Greek you would use the word "me" in the dative case, μοι, which is the "on my behalf" form of the word in English. The word in Acts 2:38 is εις which for the most part means "into" (but can mean many things in English) and is the structure used in that passage with the accusative case. The accusative case in conjunction with the εις proposition is forward-looking.

[ydnar0591]

How do YOU know that he is Gay anyway? I know some guys I went to school with who have effeminant voices but they are FAR from gay.

There is an exercise guru who many CLAIM is GAY but the "News Media has not had 1 single story on him in over 40 years that he has been the SUPER STAR of Weight Loss. If the "PPARAZZI" can't dig up dirt on you in 40 years then YOU ARE CLEAN !

So is Morley's supposed gayness a Guess on your part... or are you speaking from experience?

[ydnar0591]

True Christians do not exclude Ex-Gays from the Church. If he has repented and put his faith is Jesus He is just as Saved as we Hetrosexuals are.

If he preachs that sodomy is OK, then I would have a problem with that. The same as I would if an ex-fornicating cheating huisband or wife precahed that "ADULTRY" is OK and NOT a SIN.

True Christians are ALL inclusive of repentant sinners who work for GOD. He is doing a lot more to advance the Kingdom of God than some lifetime pew-sitters I know.

[ydnar0591]

In Mark 16:16, BAPTIZED is lsft out of part b of that verse and HE THAT BELIEVETH stands alone in 16b. This is either because the baptism spoken of in 16a is H2o, and therfore is not included in the justification by faith, OR the BAPTISM IN 16a is the HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM CHRIST give s and "AS SUCH" is understood to be part of the GOSPEL.

Pual separates the Gospel from H2o baptism in 1Cor 1:17-18. Again If Repent and faith & H2o are all equal then you must do all 3 again each time you sin.

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "Pual separates the Gospel from H2o baptism in 1Cor 1:17-18. Again If Repent and faith & H2o are all equal then you must do all 3 again each time you sin." No, you don't: you don't have to believe or have faith ALL OVER AGAIN. Refer to Acts 8 and Simon. He believed and was immersed. He sinned. As an errant child of God, the instruction was, "Repent and pray." According to your reasoning, he'd have to SIN HIS WAY into disbelief, then become a believer all over again.

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "In Mark 16:16, BAPTIZED is lsft out of part b of that verse and HE THAT BELIEVETH stands alone in 16b." In 16b, Jesus is telling you what to do TO BE LOST. Disbelief will do it, and an unbeliever wouldn't be baptized, shouldn't be baptized, and COULDN'T receive Christian baptism. On the other hand, 16: 16a is telling you what YOU must do to be saved. It coincides exactly with every conversion in the book of Acts, including the 3,000 on Pentecost when the commission preached.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

It give you an order..Beieve {Be saved} and then be baptized. Jesus said to and it will always follow never lead.

No they were saved just as ACTS 10:43-47 says they were in the natural order:

43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name "whosoever believeth in him" shall "receive remission of sins." 44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which "heard the word".

Then vs 47 they were obediant and were H2o baptized.

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "It give you an order..Beieve {Be saved} and then be baptized. Jesus said to and it will always follow never lead." And I'll give you one: (1) Be pricked or cut to the heart (believe), (2) Repent ye, (3) Let be baptized every one of you, (4) remission of sins, (5) reception of the gift of the Holy Spirit. That's Acts 2 - and the same order will be followed elsewhere. The order doesn't change, and it's very plain in that passage.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

Acts 2 what?

#4 & #5 are out place according to Acts 10:43-44!

Here it is Again!

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that....... "through his name".... "whosoever believeth in him".... "shall receive" ......."remission of sins."

44 While Peter yet "spake these words," the "Holy Ghost fell on all them"... "which heard the word"....Acts 10:43-44.

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "That's Acts 2 - and the same order will be followed elsewhere." That's Acts 2: 36-41. " And I'll give you one: (1) Be pricked or cut to the heart (believe), (2) Repent ye, (3) Let be baptized every one of you, (4) remission of sins, (5) reception of the gift of the Holy Spirit." That's the order. The events of Acts 10 are NOT in specific order. I do not to exactly WHERE - at what POINT - the Spirit descended upon Cornelius, but it was after Peter had said only a few words.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

I will say one thing the CofC doctrine is convenient to it's membership. You can pick it up when needed and drop it like it's HOT when you don't need it !

I don't think you can do that.....IF....you believe that you can lose it. Hebrews 6:4-6 & Heb 10:26-27 say you cannot repent and get it back ...so if you can lose it ...it is Gone!

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "I don't think you can do that.....IF....you believe that you can lose it. Hebrews 6:4-6 & Heb 10:26-27 say you cannot repent and get it back" Get WHAT back? I never said Simon was LOST after being baptized: I say he was in GRAVE ERROR. You said, in effect, since he SINNED, he needed to be baptized all over again. The Bible says the OPPOSITE, doesn't it? The Bible says he SINNED, and NEEDED to REPENT of his sin.

[ydnar0591]

@lllannallll

You said according to MY belief he would have to ....."start all over again"...If that were so then he would have to LOSE Salvation in order to start ALL OVER AGAIN......I NEVER BELIEVE THAT. Once you become a Child of God thru Jesus YOu are ALWAYS A child of GOD. There is NOTHING IN...... LIFE....OR......DEATH.... that can Change that! Roamns 8:38-39

Bible says he SINNED, and NEEDED to REPENT of his sin. {I believe this, I did'nt know you did?}

[lllannallll]

@ydnar0591 "Bible says he SINNED, and NEEDED to REPENT of his sin. {I believe this, I did'nt know you did?}" Certainly I do. Your position is that he must BELIEVE in Jesus ALL OVER AGAIN, I guess. You would necessarily think he'd have to REPENT (according to your belief) ALL OVER AGAIN, too. I never said that. YOU also said that, according to my belief, you suppose I'd think he'd have to BE BAPTIZED all over again! I never said he had to do ANYTHING except REPENT of his WICKEDNESS and PRAY.

[gtepp031387]

Satan is very cunning and the weak are presuaided do not listen to him. Anyone who speaks against something that was allways believed in the church is Satan. Read the church fathers, read the writtings of thoes who knew the apostels and were taught and ordained by them like Ignatious and Clement. Just these two and you will cease to be protestant.

[easternkentuckyboy]

who listens to a gay preacher , i thought they were all hell bound , thats just as simple as it gets if you all give this man credit for knowing what he is talking about , then all gay people must be alright.

[haszK]

Please people be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ ( ACTS 2:38)!!

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16 ( KJV)

"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." -Mark 16:16(KJV)

[exodusx599]

This guy is brilliant.

[cqghost]

All of these for arguments are ridiculous and defy English. Acts2:38 "repent AND every one of you be baptized..." if baptism is because of your remission of sins, then so is repentance. why? because of the AND(the connector). the word "and" connects the to words baptism and repentance, so therefore, if you say baptism is because of your remission of sins, then you are also saying that your repentance is because of your remission of sins. Thus making repentance not necessary for salvation

[cqghost]

two* instead of to.

also semicolon instead of comma after "repentance"

[Snowtiger76]

The word "for" has multiple definitions. It does not always mean "as being", nor does it always mean "because of something. How is the phrase in (Mathew 26:28) and (Acts 2:38) used in context? In (Acts 2:38) it is used in reference to Baptism, while in Mathew 26:28 it is used in reference to the blood Christ shed at calvery. Two totally different points of view expressed here.

[Snowtiger76]

References made to Webster's distionary

For (14: In honor of) this is my blood of the new covenant...

Of course Jesus' blood was shed for

(3: attain) the remission of sins (Mathew 26:28).

Baptized for (5: because of) the remission of sins

[larryinwillis]

look at matthew 26:28 "for this is the blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins". the phrase "for the remission of sins" is identical in matthew 26:28 and acts 2:38. look it up and check me on this. try to apply Morey's "rules" for acts to the matthew passage. it doesn't work.

[stopplayingchurch]

I like Bob Morey

[stopplayingchurch]

Key= Obedience after your a christian not obedience to become a christian.

FIRST YEAH BABY!